Cole Hamels, whose contract permits him to block deals to 20 teams, would not have prevented the Phillies from sending him to the Red Sox, writes WEEI.com’s Rob Bradford. “It was a team I would have played for,” says Hamels, who adds that he believes the two sides were never close to trade. The Red Sox pursued Hamels before the Phillies traded him to Texas, but the lefty could block a trade to Boston, and at least some members of the organization believed that was an obstacle. The Hamels deal has, of course, worked out well for the Rangers so far — Hamels was solid down the stretch last year and has a 2.79 ERA, 8.8 K/9 and 3.4 BB/9 this season. There’s still plenty of time for the trade to turn out well for the Phillies, however, with Jerad Eickhoff already performing well in the big leagues and Nick Williams, Jake Thompson, Jorge Alfaro and Alec Asher all looking like potential future contributors. Here’s more from the East divisions.
- The Red Sox have the strong farm system necessary to acquire Julio Teheran and Arodys Vizcaino from the Braves, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe writes. Braves GM John Coppolella, of course, recently said he wasn’t going to trade Teheran, but Cafardo dismisses that claim as “GM speak” and points out that Red Sox senior vice president of baseball operations Frank Wren was GM of the Braves when Teheran and Vizcaino were coming through their system. (Vizcaino played minor league ball in the Yankees and Cubs organizations as well.) Cafardo points to the Red Sox’ 2005 trade of Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez to the Marlins for Josh Beckett, Mike Lowell and Guillermo Mota. The Red Sox paid heavily, as they would likely have to do to acquire Teheran and Vizcaino, but they won the 2007 World Series partially because of the deal.
- It’s less likely that the Rays will pursue a reunion with free agent Carl Crawford now that they’ve acquired fellow outfielders Oswaldo Arcia and Eury Perez on a pair of minor deals, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal tweets. Arcia, in particular, is out of options, which would somewhat limit the Rays’ flexibility in adding another outfielder, such as Crawford, to their roster. The Rays’ outfield has been decimated by injuries, with Kevin Kiermeier, Steven Souza, Brandon Guyer, Mikie Mahtook and Steve Pearce (who the Rays have used as an infielder and DH but who has ample outfield experience) all on the DL. The Rays currently have Arcia, Desmond Jennings, Taylor Motter and Jaff Decker to man the outfield positions. Crawford, formerly a standout with the Rays, batted .185/.230/.235 in 87 plate appearances with the Dodgers before being released earlier this month.
I still don’t think Boston will give up what the Braves will ask for. They’re going to ask for a haul like Shelby Miller, if not more if both pitchers are included from Atlanta.
I think they match up the best, but it’ll be steep.
I tend to agree, but with DD in charge, it could be different. You have to remember he’s not particularly attached to most of the Sox prospects.
I think the Shelby Miller trade was along the lines of:
D Backs GM: What do you want for Miller?
Braves GM (facetiously) How about Dansby Swanson?
D Backs GM: Dansby Swanson and Aaron Blair, you say?
Braves GM: No, that’s not what-
D Backs: Well, I’ll have to think about that..ok, DONE!
Braves: Really?
D Backs: You drive a hard bargain. Tell you what, how about Ender Incierte to sweeten the deal.
Braves GM (covers the receiver with his hand, looks away) Ho. Lee. Shit. (Back to the phone:) You’ve got yourself a deal.
D Backs GM hangs up, sits back in his seat with a self satisfied grin.
Braves GM hangs up, rolls around on the ground in a for of uncontrollable laughter.
Braves GM hangs up.
He hung up twice?
What I think a lot of people were forgetting was that Jose Fernandez was quietly being shopped by MIA. I remember reading that when MIA declined taking ARZ’s pitch for Fernandez, they did an about face and went after Miller with a similar package in mind. I don’t know the truth to it.
Actually the Rangers match up better and have the prospects. Their recent injuries to the staff make it even more likely
Sox also got lucky in the Beckett deal as Mike Lowell was essentially a throw-in. Too bad the Sox exposed Swihart prior to trading him. Same exposure factor, I believe, with Henry Owens – timing is crucial. If only the Sox had retained Jon Lester. Two of my favorites, Lester and Lowell. I have faith the Sox will make the appropriate moves.
To get Beckett, the Marlins let it be known you would have to take Lowell and his contract, which seemed bad at the time. No one expected Lowell to do what he did after that. Kept the Yankees from the deal.
Exposed Swihart? A 24 year old catcher that has hit .270 with only 1/2 a year major league experience means he is exposed?
He was also fairly mediocre defensively. And there’s more than one stat at play here. Batting average doesn’t really tell much of a story. Look at his .386 slugging percentage for just one example.
And yet teams are still clamoring to get him.
Agreed. Swihart is, at best, mediocre defensively. Swihart has been exposed, yes, the hype surrounding Swihart was miles high as he passed through the minors. Player evaluation, internally, is essential. Would Swihart entice a Hamels deal now? I say no. Exposure doesn’t mean the kid is no good, it means the hype and trade value are significantly lowered. It’s the magic bean theory, once you know the beans aren’t all that magical, do you still want the beans? Not sure which teams are “clamoring” for Swihart. A great deal of Swihart’s value was tied to his bat and the fact he is/was a catcher. In the outfield, that same bat is far less appealing. Exposed.
Love the beans analogy, I’m stealing it, your royalty check is in the mail…
Use the analogy in good health, coster. But, frankly, I prefer cash. We’ll work it out.
See Pedroia, Bradley, Bogaerts, as examples of players that either were sent back to the minors or had struggled their second year. To say Swihart has been exposed is absurd. He has 350 AB. Do you really think a player is exposed after 350 AB? Are you really going to pass judgement after 350 AB. If so you would have given up on HOF players a bit too early.
The majors are littered with players that were highly rated that were not stars immediately.
By all accounts the Sox thought Swihart was fine in LF. To judge his fielding abilities after about 15 games is jumping the gun a bit.
Clamoring to get Swihart? Really 🙂 you Red Sox fans are the funniest
It’s a simple fact. Right now, is Swihart’s trade value higher or lower than a year ago? Unquestionably lower. Exposed. Even as a Sox fan I must agree with folks who say Sox diehards notoriously over-value prospects. For each of the names you referenced there are the counterpoints of Middlebrooks, Lars Anderson, Craig Hansen, etc. Exposure is all about organizational timing.
What are you even speaking about?
Like Swihart still can’t play catcher for another team.
He still hasn’t even had a full season in the majors to get accustomed to it.
Plenty of catchers blossomed after years in the league.
Only reason Sox put him in left. Was to increase his Value even more and I think it did. Because a Catcher who can also play left field is unheard-of.
Look how long it took JBJ to brake out.
Not that hes a Catcher. But it shows after gaining some experience things can turn around quick.
Swihart will only get better as time goes on you’ll see.
You can’t get exposed if you still haven’t reached your full potential.
Only time will tell.
Bosox letting home grown, world series hero, young ace pitcher walk and basically insulting him with initial offers should be considered a crime if not one of the biggest blunders in mlb history
Agreed. Still annoyed at the treatment, let alone departure, of Lester.
The Hamels trade was probably the closest to a win-win blockbuster we’ve seen in quite some time, and really helped the Phillies with their rebuild, along with Hamels being the best pitcher on the best team in the AL.
Actually reminds me of the Beckett trade in terms of both teams being happy with the outcome.
Not sure what stat you’re using, but I don’t see Hamels being the best pitcher in the AL. Some guy named Chris Sale, a fellow named Salazar and some guy Tanaka are all better, statistically.
I think he’s just saying Hamels is the best pitcher on the Rangers, who are the best team in the AL.
That’s what was intended. Best pitcher on the Rangers.
Maybe I’m reading it wrong but I took it as him meaning Hamels is the best pitcher on the Rangers not in the AL.
Beating up on Oakland, Seattle and LA doesn’t make them the best team.
It’s hard for me to say it but that is very true.
But if Braves do trade tehran and vizcaino to Boston
I could see this trade
Boston gets
Tehran, vizcaino, Pierzynski , Olivia , Markakis
Braves get
Moncada , benintendi , Travis, swihart, Johnson or Owens , Kelly or light, Ramirez or Sandoval , and PTBNL ( groome) they pay half of either Ramirez or Sandoval contract and either internation pool money and com pick in next years draft or if they don’t get pick red sox give Braves another PTBNL that a fair trade for both teams
Haha… Braves don’t want Moncada and SOX won’t trade him. Sandoval and Ramirez’s value isn’t close to each other’s. And the Braves value pitching prospects not a ton of low level hitting prospects. All of your trade proposals include random, terrible hitters… Why is each proposal like the largest blockbuster trade in 1/2 a decade?
Why are we even commenting on this trade? No way BOS would want Olivia – she was the worst person on The City making Whitney’s life a livin’ hell while interning at DVF. If anything, BOS would want Whitney – she’s so fetch.
Dude thank you for the Olivia comment, beat what I had.
Lololol
So every time I try to make a commit your going to delete it ha. Is that what this site is about . If you don’t like idea you delete it . Wow this site is socialist site . Just like this country try to get . There’s no free speech any more . . I though this was free society . Is what you wNt you site to be like. Because if you do it to who will you do it to in future and if it gets out that your site is like that you will get bad rep. Out there and before you now it now one will go to your site and only one will be on here are you and your family . Is that you really want.
People like you are the reason we don’t live in a free society
Freedom of speech protects you from the government. It doesn’t give you protection from being an idiot and saying whatever you want on a forum owned by a private enterprise. Maybe you should reevaluate your life if you are getting worked up over a deleted comment which was probably inappropriate. There are other websites you can use if that is your intention, but this is not one of them.
Ok site needs a “Second That” button.
What do you think about Benintendi, Devers, Owens, and Dubon for Teheran, Vizcaino, and Cervenka?
Take out dubon and cervenka sox throw in Shaw braves throw in Garcia
Dombrowski would hang up laughing so fast! The original trade I proposed is a huge over pay by Boston but what you proposes is completely and utterly absurd!
No. Trading Benintendi is like trading Danby Swanson. Only an idiot would do that.
You have to give, to get.
Kevin, agreed! But Benintendi nor Moncada will ONLY be traded for a true #1 starter. And J. Tehran is a #2 at best.
Good luck in this market obtaining a “true #1 starter”. Good luck. BOS failed to do that when Hamels, so I don’t see them doing that for Teheran either. And we’ll be back to this same dilemma this time next year with the same results — BOS searching for pitching and their farm getting all the attention.
You do recall Philly not only wanted Swihart but wanted Betts as well. No way any TEAM makes that trade for Hamels. Yes, they probably won’t be able to get a true #1 starter but do you mortgage your future in Bentinedi and Moncada for a # 2 starter?
They do not have a position for both of them. LF is the only opening for the foreseeable future.
Your best SP is a 31-year old (32 in August) knuckleballer that most of the league has only seen once, while your $200 million ace had a 4.68 ERA after 100 IP — I would think you would welcome with open arms a “true #2 starter”. Don’t trade your unproven prospects for rotational help, and let’s see if your prospects become Swihart and Owens or Betts and Bogaerts.
3B?
Trading Moncada is like trading Swanson.
Well the Red Sox do not have a position for both of them. The only opening they have is LF and they are either going to trade Moncada and let Benintendi play LF next year or they are going to trade Benintendi and move Moncada to LF or move Shaw to LF and Moncada to 3B.
What? You do realize Ortiz is retiring this year? So, that will open up a spot at DH and/or 1B to go along with LF? They could easily let Benitendi play LF, Hanley to DH, Shaw to 1B and trade Holt and let Moncada be the utility guy until Pedroia is done. And that’s assuming Moncada is even coming up in 2017.
There is no way that they will bring up a prospect to be a utility player! Come on now! He is going to need abs everyday. And what happens if Sandoval comes back next year and is more like the player he was in San Fran?
I see shaw becoming Will Middlebrooks 2.0. I believe that Moncada makes his debut at 3rd and Benitendj is LF.
Braves listen politely and say no thanks. Not near enough. Teheran, Vizcaino and Cervenka have an excess value of $136.4 Million. Benintendi(43.6), Devers(40.4), Owens(20.0), Dubon(16.6). That is a little over $16.0 short, would have to add Swihart.
Interesting that Cafardo seems to put more weight in senior VP of player development Frank Wren’s obvious connection to ATL’s Vizcaino and Teheran than actually telling you that Wren did trade for Vizcajno but also traded him to CHC (for Maholm) while one of the first moves after Wren was fired was reacquiring Viz back (for LaStella). That was the smartest move – and go figure, it wasn’t Wren’s masterwork. Please don’t give any undue credit to Wren.
Julio is more valuable to the Braves than he is to any other team unless a team overpays. Therefore I don’t believe he is going anywhere. Vizzy on the other hand I believe needs to be moved and I think a team may be willing to overpay for him. Maybe not to the level of the Giles but an overpay none the less.
The Braves are not going to be contenders for 2-3 years minimum, and Teheran will be a Free Agent in 2020. So you want to handicap the next 8 years of your franchise for 1 meaningful year of Teheran?
Not trading one player for 2-4 prospects won’t handicap anybody for 8 years.
Really? Say 2 of those prospects become All Stars, which is very possible considering Boston’s recent track record developing prospects (Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley Jr., Shaw,etc) . That wouldn’t handicap the Braves? They essentially kept 1 meaningful year of Teheran for 5-6 meaningful years of who they could have traded for! This isn’t hard.
But “handicap”? Would they be worse long term, obviously yes. You made it sound like they’re doomed if they don’t which they clearly won’t be.
Take 2 all stars off any team in baseball and they don’t make the playoffs.
Lol Kevin, Lol
But how is that much different than a lot of young teams? You want to keep your young controllable stars so that when everything clicks you have the best opportunity to win. I would support a trade of Julio and Viz, possibly even Freddie, so long as when that 2-3 year window hits, the pieces traded for are ready to go.
I’d say they’re in the WC hunt next year, after a few key FA signings, including Joey Bats to play LF/RF. They’ll spend in the offseason.
With them spending a lot on the market this off season I see them playing strong down the stretch and missing out on the WC, but still a chance. 2018 is where it’s at
Thank you somebody else sees it. The Braves have a lot of money to spend next year and all it would take is a trade here a free agent signing there and a couple of the young guys taking the next step and they could be in the hunt for the eild card.
Vizzy is proving this year he is a capable closer. Withrow will be a full year into his recovery. Hunter & Krol are developing nicely. Now if Jenkins, ManBan or Shae can establish themselves capable bullpen pieces that will take care of the bullpen.
Julio & Wisler are proving to be rotation pieces and Folty looked to be turning the corner. If he takes his next step and sign a quality FA starter that leaves An open 5th spot. Maybe Blair maybe Perez maybe Newcomb gets his feet wet as a 5th starter. With all the money coming off it will be easy to fill holes in the line up. I expect the core next year to be Freddie, Swanson, Mallex, Inciarte & Markakis. Hopefully Albies up after the super 2. That leaves catcher and 3rd. There are guys to be had in those positions whether by FA or by trade with the farm and money available.
The record doesn’t show but the Braves are not that far off in the rebuild.
I hope there are some guys that establish themselves that we haven’t been counting on, like Chase d’Arnaud or even in the minors, like Joey Meneses (sp?). If we can get just a couple of these guys that develop and not totally depend on our blue-chip guys, that could help the ML depth a long way.
Julio will probably be traded, despite what Coppollela has said. I just don’t see it happening at the deadline. Atlanta’s need for a middle of the order right handed power bat is glaring. Those are hard to find, but I could see a trade of Teheran bringing one back in the offseason. Sure Boston is a great fit if the Braves want prospects, but I’m not sure prospects is a gamble the Braves should make right now after all the big trades they’ve already made. Rather they get the proven major leaguer instead.
I don’t think they are necessarily trying to fill that need with Teheran. That’d be great, but most likely that will be a FA signing. There’s a few options, but all have their downfalls. I don’t see the best possible scenario being trading for a young mid-order possibility, like Jorge Soler or Trayce Thompson/Joc Pedersen/Yasiel Puig, etc. Sure, there could be a right fit out there, but that seems like the riskiest possible scenario.
Of course braves trading valuable pieces for prospects makes sense in principle. But the key is to get back prospects who WILL play at theMajor League level someday, and preferably sooner rather than later. Coppy will get ripped off with some former#1 draft choice who has gone bust and a couple of Low A pitchers who have had 2 TJ surgeries. I don’t trust him one bit.
All of those contracts Wren rolled out in Atlanta were good — except for BJ Upton. Great players like Andrelton Simmons and Teheran are locked in for peanuts. The downfall of the Braves was because they wouldn’t simply just eat Uptons contract. Instead they dismantled a great franchise for a decade.
jaybee – So Chris Johnson’s contract was good? Dan Uggla paid 12 million in 2015 to play as a Washington National was good? Kenshin Kawakami and the $10 million AA pitcher was good? Derek Lowe on his $70 million contract was good? Even Kimbrel as a $10M closer with the Braves budget is too much. So that former #1 draft choice gone bust is expected to be Swanson? Simmons’ contract is bad too unless he was better offensively, which he hasn’t been. Kimbrel had to be given up for BJ Upton — so, a rebuilding team had to give-up a $10M closer and they added prospects including Matt Wisler. What’s so bad with that? That’s the downfall of the Braves. No, the downfall is all of that terrible spending when factoring how many wins they represented, not to mention, the lack of development. And if you’re referring to “#1 draft choices gone bust” you must have been referring to Wren’s draft choices in ATL: Brett DeVall, Mike Minor, Matt Lipka, Sean Gilmartin, Lucas Sims, Jason Hursh, Braxton Davidson. Congrats if you can find the one name on a MLB roster or isn’t languishing in the minors right now.
I definitely won’t defend Wren’s free agent signings, however Mike Minor was not a draft bust. The Braves took a hit when Minor and Medlen went down to injury, while they were extending their window. It could be argued we might not have began the rebuild if our pitching had held up. All those bad contracts, on the other hand, handicapped us even while competitive. Derek Lowe and BJ Upton are epic errors on the scale of Mike Hampton. True Braves fans remember these type of collosal errors. These type of players had indications of decline and weren’t worth the core dollars spent on them.
I’m not saying he was a draft bust – I was allowing you to see his entire draft roster of 1st round picks. And yes, he did well for us, but it says something that he’s not currently a Brave — and don’t forget that was the draft of Trout…(no way had that regime honed in on Trout anyway).
Hard to blame them for passing on trout with the 7th pick. But it’s not hard to blame them for not just holding on to Tex for the rest of the year and getting the comp pick that the Angels ended up getting. Now if they passed on him then that’s a different story. That deal still is a head scratcher
Good reply. I will say that Minor was a decent player until injuries slowed him down.
Thought about just about every bad contract you mentioned RunDMC, Wren killed us in farm, acquisitions, and contracts.
Gogerty — honestly, that’s just skimming the surface. If you want to really burn the guy, go look at all of his drafts and see how many are still currently playing in the minor leagues and close to the majors at any level. How this guy has a job based on that alone in MLB besides being besties with Dave Dombrowski is beyond me.
Oh no arguments man, how Wren stayed so long I will never understand.
Wren wrote more bad contracts than good. I will let Uggla slide, since no one saw him suddenly not hitting after mashing in FL. But Chris Johnson had one good year, and then went back to sucking.
Nate McLouth anyone?
One thing to remember, the Braves aren’t calling the Red Sox to trade Teheran…. Braves could care less if Boston is the team that offers them the package of players it takes to move forward with a trade. I’m not implying the Braves have absolute leverage in this situation but they hold the player being sought for the deadline. Just like SD with Myers.
Sox fans seem to think they’re going to send a couple of A ball players with no potential to become MLB talent, for Teheran and Viscaino. It’s going to take a haul, as mentioned, similar to what the Diamondbacks sent for Miller.
Atlanta doesn’t NEED to trade them, and is perfectly fine keeping them. They’re performing well, Boston needs SP’s and they’re cost controlled for a few years.
It’s going to have to include at least two of these, and probably someone already MLB ready:
Yoan Moncada. 2B.
Rafael Devers. 3B.
Andrew Benintendi. OF.
Anderson Espinoza. RHP.
Michael Kopech. RHP.
Brian Johnson. LHP.
Sam Travis. 1B.
Luis Alexander Basabe. OF.
If it were me, I’d start with Benintendi and Johnson.
Otherwise, Atlanta won’t do it. They’re looking for Fleecing #2 of 2016. It’s been openly stated.
You realize that Johnson is out of baseball right now with severely debilitating anxiety problems right?
…as long as the Braves don’t know — he can be 1 of the 2, right? Sshh…
Fleecing #1 came in 2015
I will say it again, Moncada, Benitntendi and Espinoza are untouchables for now. None of the above will be traded for a #2 starter. Those are reserved for the Sonny Gray’s and Chris Sales.
you guys want something for nothing might I recommend a trade for Bud Norris instead?
Will see this is Dave Dombrowski we are talking about after all.
And you do know that Tehran has better career era and strike out to walk ratio then gray right . You all all need to realize that Oakland has never said gray is available in trade it you all speculating he is same with Chicago with sale . Boston already called fla about Fernandez and where told no. Boston can only get what is available. And guess Boston just does want to have chance to win another W.S. Because rather any of you like it or not Tehran is best on market . And if any team want him they will have to pay higher price then what Arizona did to get miller. It fact .
According to local sources any deal for Teheran will include Moncada plus Brian Johnson or Michael Kopech, plus Andrew Benintendi or Rafael Devers. Travis Shaw can be substituted for the choice of pitchers. So its Moncada plus plus or no Teheran. Vizcaino will take a top five prospect and Krol or Cervenka will require a 6-10 prospect. Pretty fair and no surprise.
LOL that’s funny! I will bet my house that Moncada, Devers, and Owens/Johnson gets Teheran and Vizcaino all day everyday and twice on Sundays.
Exactly what I wrote
Well Boston is not going to give up Moncada or Espinoza and most likely Bennintendi unless it’s a deal for an Elite pitcher
Jose Fernandez , Chris Sale or one of the Met’s top starters.
I think a package of Swihart , Devers , Henry Owens and lower level prospects is more likely scenario .
Personally I would rather trade for Sonny gray. Yes he’s having a subpar season but he has a track record as a true #1 in the American League.
I really don’t think anyone including Dombroski really believe the Red Sox are World Series favorites and deals will be made for this season but also with the future in mind.
Yes, because Matt Harvey should still be considered an elite starter. Please! Please trade your blue-chip guys to them and let’s see him in the middle of a pennant chase. He’s throwing beach balls right now.
MLB working staff take a look at Alfredo Gonzalez who was release by the Astros organization and he is a good hitting catcher
For all of you who think Teheran is a 3 to 4 .you do know last start Tehran throw one pitch 97 in 5th ing. And stayed at 93 to 95 with his fast ball . He also one hit Mets and shut them out completely game . With 8 strike outs and 0 walks but line sucks ha. Ow also Tehran has better career era , and a better career strike out to walk radio then sunny gray right but guess in all your eyes Tehran is a 4 to 5 . This talk shows How none of you know anything about real baseball . You don’t have to throw 98 to be a number 1 . A number one is someone that leads your ur pitching staff. That stops losing streaks. And give your team a chance of very time he pitch to win . Makes your team feel like they are going to win. Just because Tehran doesn’t strike out 12 batters batters every time he pitches . But what you all don’t get. That Braves way . Braves don’t want there pitcher to strike every hitters out. Braves Philosophy is to throw strikes and let your team mates make played behind you and keep pitch count down. And do not over throw and chance speeds. That Braves way. So that why you don’t see him strike out double figure every start .braves want there pitchers to pitch not throw. That reason Braves almost all very year have team era in top 5 in very year especially when I hey had glavine , Maddux,smoltz and if you look back Hudson was in Oakland he was alway near top Al in strikeout but once he was traded to Braves his strike out went down. It Braves way . So before all judge Tehran you need look Beyond the number. That’s where site like fan graph don’t get it . You all fail in the truth
Reread that wall of text to yourself out loud, then consider how anyone could possibly find it intelligent or persuasive. It makes you sound like a mindless cultist, raving about “the Braves way”, typing furiously without bothering to correct for obvious grammar mistakes or incoherent sentence structure.
No, the Braves don’t have some magical ability to create good pitchers. Maybe they did in the 90s, but they don’t now. If they did, they would have more than one of them.
I just scrolled past it. Too long for my attention.
Dan grammar sucked but he was right and you know it.
We had to let Minor, Medlen, and Beachy go due to injuries. I still maintain if they had held up we might not be in this type of rebuild. We couldn’t extend them with their current salaries or a slight adjustment when we had no idea if they would even pitch. So far, it looks like we made the right choice as none of them can stay healthy and effective. That said I hope we see some legs under this new group soon… Prospects are such a crap shoot. All you have to do is look at number one overalls and where they are now, in order to understand prospects chances are very low even at the highest level.
Mix in a comma, bud.
I thought Hamels said after his trade to the Rangers that he planned on sticking to his no-trade list and that was why he vetoed a trade to the Astros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shouldn’t he have also vetoed a trade to the Sox????????
If the Sox don’t want to offer quality prospects, then don’t do a deal with them. No hurry. Other teams are interested. Or they don’t need to move Teheran and Vizcaino at all. They are both financial bargains. Tired of making bad deals. Not fair to the fans.
I have come to the conclusion that a lot of guys on here make their assumptions about a player by strictly looking at the sabermetric stats and not by watching guys for themselves. I am under the assumption that the Brave fans on here actually watch Teheran pitch and they all seem to say the same thing he is a quality number 2 with the potential to be a high number 2 on a top staff.
Bunch of wannabe Brian Kenny’s on here. Watch 5 Teheran games and tell me he is not very good SP.
I agree that Sabermetrics are all well and good and give a great deal more data and projectability. That being said last time I saw the math on all the major projection sites and tools there was still a 30% variance in projections versus production. That’s a large swath that needs some eyes on players combined with many other scouting tools to attempt to lessen risks. Bottom line here is Boston called and has some interest in Braves pitching assets that have stats to support them at the Major League level. I hope there is a fit for Viz, at least. I am not too stoked on trading Teheran, when none of our pitchers have stepped up anywhere near his level. From the sound of the Boston fanbase, here, it doesn’t sound like you all believe you have enough to tip the scales even with Teheran and Viz.
Well that 2 strait starts that Tehran out pitch Degrom . 8 ing . 7 strikeouts 0 walks . Now that makes 24 scoreless Ing. What does guy have to do to prove to you all he is ace and worth wheat ever the Braves want for him .
Man, quit talking to these sox fans they just don’t get it. How many times have you watched the next true star player and they don’t make it, every team has had them. These people make me sick, sox fans just don’t get it.
We don’t have to trade Teheran, they are the ones that want what we have. Teheran a 3 or a 4, stupid is that stupid does