Astros prospect Alex Bregman, the No. 2 pick in the 2015 Draft, will be promoted from Double-A to Triple-A following this week’s Texas League All-Star Game, reports MLB.com’s Brian McTaggart (links to Twitter). Bregman played shortstop at LSU and has played 114 of his 125 career games at short, but he’s seen some work at third base recently (11 games) and is often mentioned as a speculative fit to help the ’Stros at the hot corner. The 22-year-old slashed an outstanding .297/.415/.559 with 14 homers, 16 doubles and a pair of triples in his quick run through Double-A, and it’s certainly reasonable to think he could make an impact on the Major League club in the near future. Houston third baseman have batted a paltry .219/.304/.389 this season.
A few more notes from the American League…
- Brian MacPherson of the Providence Journal draws parallels between the Rangers’ trade for Cole Hamels last July and the Red Sox’ need for a starter this season. Like the Rangers last summer, the Red Sox have four or five prospects that are regarded among the very best in the game — Yoan Moncada, Andrew Benintendi, Rafael Devers and Anderson Espinoza are widely considered to be within the game’s Top 35 prospects or so — meaning the Sox could part with one or even two in an effort to land an impact arm that is controllable beyond 2016. MacPherson lists Julio Teheran and Sonny Gray as potential fits in that regard, and I’d add that the Braves, in particular, provide a comparable opportunity to the Hamels swap; Atlanta is also open to moving Arodys Vizcaino, who could be packaged with Teheran as Jake Diekman was with Hamels last season. Rangers fans will want to take a look at MacPherson’s piece as well, as he spoke with Rangers GM Jon Daniels about last summer’s trade and has a number of quotes from Daniels on his thinking at the time.
- Speaking of the Rangers, they’re hoping to have Yu Darvish back in their rotation prior to the All-Star break, as MLB.com’s Ryan Posner writes. Darvish tossed a 30-pitch bullpen session yesterday — his first time throwing off a mound since landing back on the disabled list earlier this month — and he’s slated to throw a simulated game on Wednesday of this week. A quick return for Darvish would certainly be a breath of fresh air for the Rangers, who saw sixty percent of their rotation hit the DL within a span of 10 days, as Derek Holland and Colby Lewis followed Darvish to the disabled list in short order.
- The Rays have now lost 11 straight games, but Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times writes that the slump should not and will not cost manager Kevin Cash his job. Injuries have played a significant role in the Rays’ June swoon, as Kevin Kiermaier, Steven Souza, Brandon Guyer, Mikie Mahtook and Brad Boxberger all suffered injuries. Evan Longoria, Chris Archer and Logan Morrison all defended Cash when speaking to Topkin and offered plenty of praise for the second-year skipper. Cash is in the second season of a five-year deal that reportedly pays him a total of roughly $5MM.
Despite his excellent track record, Sonny Gray is no sure thing as an impact arm this year, especially moving to the AL East.
Steve how likely do you think it is the Rangers go add a starting pitcher, especially with Lewis gone and holland inconstant and injured
Let the Teheran-Hamels trade comparisons begin.
Crazy thing is most I believe would say Hamels is the better pitcher than Teheran but looks like is going to ultimately cost more in terms of prospects due to the market this year.
Teheran is under a much cheaper contract so he should fetch more in prospects.
Not to mention Hamels was 31 (32 in Dec 2015) at the time of the trade with presumably his best years behind him. Teheran is 25 and pitching his career best.
Hamels might start in the AS game his year. He’s doing pretty damn good
Teheran-Hamels is interesting comparison.
Hamels was being paid more but had the peripherals that said he was an ace plus the postseason experience.
Teheran is a lot younger, steal of a contract, and while the peripherals aren’t great has a career 3.30 ERA.
As a Red Sox fan I’d be too nervous about the league switch and peripherals to give up Moncada or Benitendi but Braves should request at least one of the two (doesn’t make sense for them to trade a young 2 otherwise) and D.D may just do it.
I like Teheran a lot, but I think the Red Sox farm system is so deep that they could easily make a trade for him without including Moncada or Benitendi.
I know everyone overvalues their own prospects, but coming from a Phillies fan, I think the Sox can get it done without those 2.
Saying Boston would “have” to trade Benintendi or Moncada would be the same mistake that was being made before the 2015 season when there were demands of Betts (ridiculous) or Swihart (more reasonable, but a piece that was too embedded in Boston’s plans at the time) for Hamels. Boston had a LOT more to offer, and the unwillingness of some to even consider those names shut down what would have been a better collection of pieces to choose from than what Philly eventually got.
I wouldn’t blame someone for asking for either of those two, but Boston has two other elite prospects with tons of promise and plenty of second-level prospects to round a deal to the team’s liking. I’m not saying anyone should HAVE to take such an offer, but there are plenty of offers without either of those two in them that would “make sense”.
So even with hindsight to use, if Betts, Bogaerts, and Swihart were off-limits, who were these players that could have hypothetically went to Philly and been a better package than they received?
Margot? Devers? Erod? JBJ? Owens? Benintendi? Espinoza? Shaw? Travis? Moncada?( although obviously he was not available)
I’m not sure it would make sense for the Braves to target Devers or Espinoza who are 19 and 18 respectively. ATL has already tanked for two seasons and are opening their new ball park next year.
Maybe they get a pass for one more year from the fans who are happy with the new stadium but I think they need to show real progress in W-L (maybe aiming for a 500 record in the second half of 2017). Trading Teheran a proven number 2 for guys in A ball who wont be helping you until 2018 or 2019 does not make sense to me.
It just seems the Braves will aim to be competitive again sooner rather then later so why trade a young controllable SP for risky low level guys even if they have big upside. .
Hence, why Coppy recently stated that the days of trading ATL with prospects is done, that ATL needs MLB-ready talent for the sooner rather than later. The main parts of the trade would need to be Moncada/Benintendi, if BOS is not dealing from the their ML roster (which would be counterproductive in almost every scenario).
Braves send
Teheran, Viz, and Sims
Boston send
Moncada, Benni, Espinoza, Ockimey, and Devers/Chavis
Everyone knows it will take a massive overpay to move Julio as he is rapidly approaching right-arm status for Coppy. He’s also pitched like a high #2/low or mid #1 his entire career except the first half of 2015 when he toyed with a sinker during an obviously lost season.
Vizzy by himself can get ockimey and Benni. Teheran can get the rest by himself. If they want to make the trade for both, that’s what it will take.
I think that if BOTH Vizcaino and Teheran are dealt to Boston the Braves will ASK for Moncada, Benintendi and someone else in their top 15 or so. What actually gets it done I have no idea.
This is one situation where things might get creative and the Braves take on Sandoval and his salary, while the Red Sox take Markakis. I have no clue what happens but I fully expect the Braves to ask a lot for Teheran.(adding Viz compounds that somewhat). Right now, I’m not convinced a deal get done.
I agree Southi, Luke usual to your comments. And honestly while Pablo has not been what got him his contract, off setting with Markakis probably gets something done. Plus Markakis can ease Boston’s issues in LF a bit.
As long as you include a coach from “Big Fat Loser” along with Sandoval, respectively, then we’d welcome him to the land of fried chicken and butter on ev’rything.
Haha good call.
Absolutely no chance the sox do that.
The Braves can ask for that but they’re not getting it, which is why I don’t think the teams are a good match for a trade.
Dombrowski gets high off of trading prospects for proven MLB talent.
Not as much as some of the braves fans apparently when coming up with these ideas.. Just sit back and look at what that guy was asking Boston to give up.. 4 of the game’s top prospects and 2 up and coming prospects who may break BA lists who are having outstanding seasons at A ball at the age of 20.. It’s just wild.
Because Braves fans know how well-stocked BOS system is, how reliant we are on Teheran, how Dombrowski having a history of trading prospects for proven talent, and how BOS’s rotation is headlined by a $200M arm with a 4.80 ERA and a 32-year old knuckleballer that the league has seen 1-2 times. We also have Bud Norris….
Interesting you mention Norris there.. Think if Boston was after a questionable arm for back end rotation depth for AL East team? They would have approached Jeremy Guthrie 1st when he was available for less and at least used to be a GB machine, something that would play up much better at fenway for 2 guys like this and Norris’s last run through the AL east did not turn out well.
The nerve of these Braves fans asking for 4 unproven products for 2 proven products, the nerve of them
How about this Olereb? The Red Sox send Sandoval and Craig to the Braves for Newcombe, Albies, Swanson, and Jenkins. The Braves would be getting 2 players that have proven they can play at an all star level in the National League. They just can’t seem to figure the AL out. But when they played in the NL they completely proved themselves. Those 4 prospects have proved NOTHING with the Braves and therefore should be an afterthought in this trade. Hopefully Red Sox fans won’t riot giving up proven NL players for a bunch of lottery tickets.
If Sandoval was one of the league leaders right now (which Teheran is, second only to Kershaw in MLB in WHIP; 9th in ERA; 17th in strikeouts) or if Craig were one of the best available and controllable at his position (which Vizcaino is) – then your comparison would have weight.
Please, by all means, if you want to upgrade your bullpen, deal with NYY and see if you can get a better deal for Chapman/Miller/Betances. You have a good relationship with them, I’m sure they’ll accept your IOUs. And deal with Billy Beane and OAK, I’m sure he’ll take pennies on the dollar of his ace. Maybe remind him that he almost worked in BOS and see if he’ll accept Allen Craig along with the nostalgia.
So a 2/3 starter (has FIPs over 3.5 in each of last 3 seasons), a reliever, and a meh prospect who isn’t even top 100 for the best prospect in baseball whose mashing AA and could be MLB ready in a few months (Moncada). One of the best hitting prospects in baseball (Benintendi) one of the best pitching prospects (Espinoza) and a breakout prospect.
The Redsox do not even consider this. Moncada is probably NOT going to the Braves, period. Redsox will not trade an elite level talent like that unless he was part of a package for a superstar.
There are a grand totally of zero teams that have a Moncada level talent (think Seager, Urias, Giolito, ect) remotely available for Teheran, so why would the Redsox trade him? The Redsox probably are not trading Moncada for Teheran, period. Benintendi, maybe, Moncada no.
“Probably NOT… Period” that was funny. I just cannot wait for the 2040 HOF induction of each BOS prospect.
Agreed, love the “probably not…period” sentiment. Sounds like a politician in a televised debate. So, you let Moncada stay in the minors and not trade him for a great arm, bring him up and put him where?, or use him to headline a trade for an arm that can stabilize the rotation, give you innings, and balance out the absurd contract Price has.
Instead of just being sarcastic, why don’t you contribute something when you comment.
This is just me speaking, nobody else..
I’ve watched several of his games on Milb network since the kid has signed and really don’t think that Moncada would be included in any blockbuster deal as the center piece excepting MAYBE sale/Fernadez and it would take an awful lot of Boston trying to work something else out to do that.. Such as including JBJ/Shaw in his stead among a bunch of other kids in said deal..
Moncada is as untouchable to Boston as Urias is with the LAD.
This is me speaking, no one else — BOS has enough prospects to make a deal work without Moncada, but not sure if they have enough quality, mature bats to get both Viz/Teheran.
We all agree he out pitches those peripherals you speak of and he is on his way to being a strong 2. At 25 he is not quite there yet but this year he is proving he is on his way.
And what you fail to realize is yes there are no other teams that can match the Red Sox prospect wise but we are in no dire need to move him. He is signed to a team friendly deal. So if Coppy doesn’t get what he wants he just doesn’t move him. Simple as that.
With all these great players the sox have, how is it yaw have not won more championships?
Glad Frank Wren found a farm he can pillage.
And how many have the Braves won this century?
I think the point he’s trying to make is that the team without Frank Wren stands a better chance at a championship that with.
The FIP argument doesn’t work anymore. He has always out pitched his peripherals. He continues to get better. Time to come up with a different argument. Teheran hasn’t got your regression is coming soon because of his FIP memo yet. Next!
Agreed. FIP isn’t the end all be all of 100% of pitchers. What worries me about Tehrehan is the loss in velocity. 90.8 mph avg FB this year. If he loses next year what he lost between last year and this year he will be pitching in the high 80’s. RHP in the high 80’s usually equals a ton of home runs in the AL East. Unfortunately, I think Teheran is heading down the same path Jurrjens took. Coppy should absolutely sell him to the highest bidder while the argument can be made that he is a TOR arm. Don’t get me wrong, I think he is having a stellar year and is very valuable. I just don’t see him holding that value for more than another year or so and you don’t want what the Padres let happen with Ross and Cashner to happen here. I hope I am wrong and DD sees him as the savior of the Red Sox and gives the Braves a Milleresque haul. I would rather not see the Yankees have to face the Red Sox in a year or two with both Moncada and Benintendi in the lineup and Devers knocking on the door.
What makes Teheran a once in a generation type of pitcher? I ask because over the past 25 years, 8 of the 9 young pitchers who have been similarly lucky as he has through age 25 have had higher ERAs from age 26-28 than they did through age 25. The group had an average ERA of 3.61 and 4.16 FIP through age 25, but from age 26-28, these same pitchers had an average ERA of 4.07 and 4.17 FIP. History tells us regression is coming and his luck will run out. The Braves would be wise to sell now while he is out pitching his #2/3 talent.
Respect to everything you said. I honestly think because of his age and how hard he works because of the passion for the game and his competitive nature, that he is going to get better. I believe that he is just starting to reach his ceiling and scratch the surface. I could be wrong. Also I watch him pitch every 5th day and I can tell you that his fb sits at 92-93 and hits 94-95 when he needs it. I honestly believe that he has just learned to pitch and get guys out without having to max out every pitch. If you don’t believe me then I invite you to watch his next game that he pitches and see it for yourself. His command and control has been a lot better and I think he is having a lot more success this year because he started pitching hitters inside more (which he got away from and stopped doing most of last year). You have to remember that he is still young (only 25 yrs old) and has just begun to hit the prime of his career.
Haha here we go. I don’t think Teheran has gotten your memo that regression is coming soon. People like you have been saying that for years and I have yet to see it happen. Yall say it every year and he continues to improve and get better. SO all of his success up to this point has been because of luck? Why? Because a stat says that this ball hit and that ball hit should have or could have been a HR? Thats ridiculous. Cueto has out pitched his FIP many years and has got better with age and experience and he is considered to be an ace by many. Teheran is 25 and is just getting into his prime years. If you don’t think that a 25 yr old with a consistent track record of success(besides first half of 2015) can’t get better with age and experience, just because a stat that isn’t entirely accurate says so, is totally laughable and absurb. Could a regression happen? Of course. Anything could happen. But you’re saying that their is no chance this happens because FIP says so lol.
Also Teheran isn’t 8 of the 9 pitchers that you are referring to. Just because those pitchers didn’t have the same success after 25 doesn’t mean Teheran can’t or won’t. Different pitchers do different things. Those 8 pitchers that you refer to might have had something going on in their careers or personal life or had an injury that put a road block in their career. You don’t know! Those 8 pitchers might not of knew how to make the necessary adjustments needed to keep having that same type of success. You might can compare him with those 8 pitchers, but you can’t predict Teherans future based off of 8 other pitchers career and their drop in production after age 25. The man could absolutely out pitch is peripherals. He has done it his entire career so far. Nothing I’ve seen has made me think otherwise. All I see is people like you predicting that “regression is coming soon” because FIP says so, but guess what? It hasn’t happened yet. That same line that you keep spitting out is getting old. If he has the same success or near the same success next year as he is having this year, you’re probably going to say that he is going to regress after age 26, like you said he was supposed to do after age 25 and you’ll keep saying the same thing and the age will keep going up year after year until he actually regresses, and then you’ll say, I told you he was due for a regression because his FIP said he was lol. It’s time to come up with something new
Also, Redsox would not even consider trading Benny for a Vizzy. Like, just no.
I’m sure you have insider knowledge of which prospects the Red Sox would/wouldn’t move right? If you think the Red Sox are going to trade for Teheran without definitely including 1 of Moncada/Benintendi, you’re out of your mind. There’s no way the Braves move Teheran without getting a massive haul with mostly close to MLB ready talent.. His age, performance, and contract guarantee that if he’s moved, it’s going to take A LOT.
Who said the Redsox wouldn’t move Benintendi for Teheran? I
I would imagine any trade involving Teheran would include Benintendi.
What I said was, the Redsox would not trade Benintendi for a reliever (especially one without a long track record) nor would you expect them to trade an elite level prospect like Moncada (whose arguably the very best prospect in baseball for a pitcher with a 3.7 FIP and xFIP.
I don’t have any inside info. This is common sense and a general idea on trade value evaluation. Moncada’s very rarely get traded and when they do, they are usually in a package for bonafide superstars. Top 30 prospects like Benintendi don’t usually get traded for relievers, without track records.
Omg I’m so tired of hearing about this. Since you like stats so much, go check Teherans stats and you will see that he has always out pitched his FIP. When are yall going to stop using that same old tired line? I’ve been hearing that he is going to regress all year and the only thing I’ve seen is him getting better. This is his best year so far and yall continue to say his FIP is so and so, but he has continued to out pitch his peripherals and has continued to get better. I guess he hasn’t received the memo from yall yet that he is suppose to regress soon lol.
Tell Boston to keep the prospects and keep that crap rotation so we can stop having these Teheran trade rumors EVERY SINGLE DAY
That package is a ludicrous overpay
If Dombrowski does that trade he will have effectively traded away all of Bostons top prospects in less than a year. If you add theses guys along with Margot and Guerra the minors will be barren.
teheran wil no be trade without boston give Moncada or Benitendi and more believe me he is only 25 his era is 2,46 and vizcaino era is 1,90 something like that boston wil not get that cheap never
Betts or Swihart, Betts or Swihart.
Now it’s Moncada or Benintendi, Moncada or Benintendi. Why is it that less-knowledgeable fans always insist on one or two of a team’s best prospects, and refuse to even CONSIDER others (even less sensible considering that Boston has two more elite prospects to throw out there)?
If you want to say there is zero chance of Boston getting Teheran without at least one of the “big four” prospects coming in the return package, I won’t just not fault you but also will agree with you. But why does it have to be just one of those two, especially considering that Moncada and Benintendi are more in the team’s immediate plans (one could even end up in Boston before the year is out) and so are far less expendible?
Hilarious you think you’re getting Teheran and/or vizzy without giving up moncada and Benni. Go shop in the bargain bin if you’re not giving up one of them.
The Braves don’t HAVE to move Teheran, that’s the thing. You say why does it have to be Moncada or Benintendi and then talk about less-than knowledgable fans.. It HAS to start with 1 of them because of Teheran’s contract, age AND performance. If you were so knowledgable you would understand that. Teheran would become your #2 right away.His contract alone makes him extremely valuable to that franchise, let alone his stats and age. If they are going to move Teheran, the Red Sox (or any other team) will HAVE to move a ton to get him. The package would have to be headlined by a top flight, near-MLB ready player or 2 at bare minimum, with more involved. The Braves GM said he won’t trade him for low-ball prospects, because he’s looking to improve his overall roster for next year when the new stadium opens. If the Red Sox gave up 4 good prospects for 3 years of Kimbrel, you better believe the Braves are going to want a similar (if not better) package for Teheran.
I’ll tell you why in this scenario — because ATL could use Teheran through 2020. If we trade him that, we have the depth, but it’s a risky venture, and for us to be put in that position then we need to add more depth to what we’re lacking: bats. Why wouldn’t ATL go after BOS best bats (clearly Benintendi and Moncada) with others as fillers?
Because Teheran is the Braves best starter and best player (besides Freeman) that is pitching great and has a great contract. It would take 1 of the too 2 because Moncada and Benitendi fit the Braves needs. They need bats! Do I think that the Braves could get both Moncada and Benitendi? No. But it would surely take one of them because they fit the Braves needs
Braves want a good young MLB hitter for Tehran they won’t trade him for prospects
Why not? And that would also GREATLY reduce the chance of ANY trade happening, because teams looking to make a deal midseason are those in contention, and teams in playoff contention can’t afford to lose a “young MLB hitter”, because such a player is needed to win now.
If you trade a key lineup piece for a SP, you’re just running in place, not getting better, so it serves no purpose. It’s like how some fools insisted on Betts being in a Hamels Boston-Philly deal before 2015, which was never even an option considering that Betts was already a locked-in key lineup piece and so such a deal wouldn’t even help the team get better.
The key is Coppy could care less about the Red Sox needs,
You’re not quoting Coppy when you’re stating that because he would take Moncada and/or Benintendi in a heartbeat for Teheran — as he should. Benintendi is the Swanson of the OF — SEC player (Arkansas) was star during CWS and known as one of the best hitters of his draft (which also included Swanson). He’s a gamer and with an acute ability to make contact and should translate to power.
The Braves may want proven MLB bats but they will settle for close to MLB ready bats. Simple fact is, the Braves will take prospects back for Teheran. That said, the Braves aren’t calling teams to trade Teheran. Teams are calling the Braves. The Braves have ALL THE LEVERAGE. I am not implying this is a blank check to pillage another teams farm system but they will get top prospects IF a deal is made. And as a lone note to RS fans, that does not include Devers. More people than not think he’s a bust, period.
More people than not consider Devers a bust — yet he’s rated in the top-50 of all MLB prospects according to MLB.com?
That’s right…. sportsonearth.com/article/67202234/
Your top-50 ranking means jack in the long term.
In all fairness I should have probably said more about Devers… Two parts of the puzzle to the bust label for scouts is that his hit tool is overrated and it’s looks to be more likely than not to lack major improvement. On top of that, his fielding is meh.
Devers is a great prospect. In the LONG run the may be better than either Moncada or Benintendi. The problem for him fitting into a trade for Teheran though is that he isn’t major league ready (or near major league ready). Devers is 19 and under age for his level so he is being challenged. It will take most likely another 2 or 3 years for him to be ready. I just don’t think that fits in to what Coppy said he was looking for in exchange for Teheran (which is why so many posters are mentioning Moncada/Benintendi).
Fevers may be the better hitter out of those 3, but he certainly doesn’t have the highest upside as a complete baseball player.
Got a chance to go see Moncada and Devers play a series last year. Devers is the real deal. Nobody needs to defend Moncada, not even his character; which is becoming an issue with the Cuban market these days. I didn’t even know the hype on Devers when I went to go watch them, it was supposed to be the Moncads Show and Devers stole it that weekend. Both are MONSTARS though. But, if I were ATL, I’d hold onto Julio unless blown away by something. DD does love to blow up a perfectly stocked farm system though. And he would be Boston’s #1 immediately. Rotation is a joke, we need 2-3 arms, not just 1. Can’t trust Wright/Ricky in the postseason IF you get there. And we all know what Price does in the Playoffs..
I believe it could be another race between the Rangers and Red Sox for Teheran. Let’s be honest Boston shelled out a lot for price so Teheran contract is a non factor to Boston, the fact that he comes cheap is just a plus for them.. Now D.D. I believe is more inclined to do a deal now rather than them holding back like last year, I believe someone had mentioned the fact that he isn’t particularly attached to these group of guys as well as the Red Sox are as close to being one of the top contenders with the Rangers in for the AL. And should be looking to capitalize to win THIS YEAR. The Rangers value the Team friendly contract a lot more, and Daniels is always willing to make a big deal for the benefit of the team long term(Hamels)/cost effective. With the hits to the DL the Rangers are just as motivated to buy, so both teams have every bit of reason to be going for Teheran.
I also wouldn’t rule out the Dodgers. They have fallen quite a bit behind the Giants and one could argue their motivation to win this year might be greater than most other clubs. I doubt the FO there could survive another disappointing post-season or lack thereof. They also have the farm system to get a deal done.
*Also editing in that Texas has a pretty comfortable lead in the AL West. Not sure if they would get in a bidding war for Teheran, now that could change in the span of 1 week, just right now it doesn’t look probable.
Boston’s signing of Price and the bad Sandoval/Ramirez contracts are exactly why Teheran’s contact is a factor in any possible trade!
To all of you who think Tehran is not a ace and can’t pitch in American League
well I’m going to prove to you all he is . Now Tehran is in his 4th full season.
Well I have stats that prove he compares to one hall of fame pitcher and
red sox legion Pedro Martinez and ace of today Jonny Cueto .
Some of stats he better then both of them when they where in there
4th complete major league season . Here we go
Pedro Martinez. Jonny Cueto. Julio Tehran
Wins- 48. Wins- 41. Wins- 42
Lose-20. Loses-37. Lose- 36
G.S.- 88. G.S.-116. G.S- 116
INGS- 663. Ings- 687. Ings- 713.1
So- 657. So- 532. So- 626
BB- 238. BB- 232. BB- 193
Hits- 538. Hits- 653. Hits- 620
Tab- 1989. TAB- 2061. TAB- 2140
Avg-.271. Avg- .316. AVG- .289
Runs- 271. Runs-321. Runs- 282
ER- 251. ER- 292. ER-256
HR- 56. HR- 80. H.R. -84
Fip- 3.39. FIP. 4.25 FIP- 3.81
Whip- 1.363. Whip- 1.285. Whip- 1.112
Cwar- 14.1. Cwar- 8.3. Cwar- 12.0
H.P.G. -6.1. H.P.G.- 5.6. H.P.G. 5.5
So/BB%- 2.76. So/BB%- 2.29. So/BB%- 3.24
HRPAB- 35.5. HRPAB- 25.8. HRPAB- 25.5
SoPG- 7.5. SoPg- 4.6. SoPg- 5.6
Era- 2.86. Era- 2.52. ERA- 2.28
HR/bb/hits- 832. HR/BB/hits- 965. HR/BB/Hits- 897
Tab-2227. Tab- 2293 Tab- 2333
Obp hr-3.73. Obp hr-4.20. OBP hr-3.84
Also Tehran has started 11 games vs American League teams ,and
he has a 2.93.When it come to him giving up home runs.
Well when you more around the plate , your more likely give up
home runs and when it comes to strike out .
Rather you know this or not . Braves don’t want there pitcher to strike every batter
Out . They want them to change speeds .Hit there spots ,and let there
fielders behind him to make the plays and keep his pitch count down.
When you go for strike outs . It pushes your pitch count to go up .
Probably not a good idea to compare Teheran to Pedro.
Ok Chris815, or whatever screen name you are using today, comparing Pedro and Teheran is going way too far. It’s time for me to attempt to use some logic to help your “147” IQ. When comparing pitchers like Teheran and Pedro you should always stop at a comment like “they both began their careers in the NL East.” Pedro had ELITE level pitches and threw in the mid 90’s. Teheran has plus pitches but NOTHING he offers is elite. His average FB this year is sitting at 90.8. (you can repeatedly say it’s 95 or 97, doesn’t make it a fact) fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6797&posit… Although you are correct when you call him an Ace, he is not a true #1. An Ace is the best pitcher on any given team. Chris Tillman is the Ace of the Orioles. Is he a true #1? No. Teheran is the Ace of the Braves. Is he a true #1? No. In fact, Teheran should be compared to pitchers like Tillman or one you (as a Braves fan) should know, Jair Jurrjens. I think the career stats of Jurrjens and Teheran would compare nicely. (Haven’t looked just a guess.) Never again should you ever compare him to Pedro. It makes you look foolish. I don’t care what stat you pull out. Phil Hughes set the walk record a couple of years ago. Should I compare him to Kershaw or Koufax? Also, try not to be such a Homer. We all love the players on the teams we choose to root for. That doesn’t mean we get to cherry pick stats and call them some of the best in the game because of it. Finally, the Red Sox just shelled out $64 million to sign Moncada. He isn’t going anywhere. Thinking you are going to get Moncada and Benintindi for Teheran is laughable. What would you think about the Red Sox trading Moncada and Benintindi for Tillman? That’s right, it will never happen.
I’m not going to dispute your logic, but I am very curious about one thing: the term “number 1″ gets thrown out in these posts like candy at a Christmas parade. So what is YOUR definition of a”number one”?
Look at any publication the year that Teheran was the 3rd best prospect behind Trout and Harper. Julio’s nickname was Baby Pedro so he was not the only one to as you say compare him to Pedro.
Did you just compare Teheran to Tillman? Wow the hate for Teheran is for real. Haha I agree that he shouldn’t be compared to Pedro and I don’t think anyone on here takes that dude seriously, but the hate for Teheran is real comparing him to Tillman. Also I dont care what Fangraphs has on there. I see the facts with my eyes when I watch him pitch. He sits 92-93 and hits 95 from time to time when he needs it. Go watch and see the FACTS for yourself. Forbid any pitcher learns to pitch without maxing out and people say “his velocity is down” and “he has lost a few ticks on his fb.” Boston trading for Teheran isn’t anything like Boston trading for Tillman. What a horrible example. I don’t think the Braves will get both for Teheran, but if you don’t think they could get Benitendi then you are delusional my friend. That comparison is laughable and the disrespect for Teheran is unreal. Call up DD and tell him to keep those prospects and let those prospects watch Boston not make the playoffs or get knocked out of the first round with that horrible rotation
Maybe he shouldn’t have compared Teheran and Pedro, but Boston is the team that is still lacking solid pitching. Again, it’s not the Braves calling them, it’s Boston calling the Braves. This is strictly a seller’s market. I don’t care who they go after that’s solid, Boston will have to pay. Not only that, but if you look at the free agent market this off season and how long it will take for the development of high profile young pitchers within your organization (2-3 years away), maybe it is time for Boston to make a major move for Sonny or Julio.
Kind of funny he’s comparing the Rangers trade for Hamel’s to the Red Sox going after Teheran.
It’s very similar to the Red Sox own chase of Hamel’s for a year and a half. Ultimately, aother team gave Philly what they wanted. Will the Red Sox let that happen again? With DD in charge,I lean toward him getting it done this time.
The other thing to keep in mind is DD may not have total power, sox ownership tends to be involved in lots of these moves and I bet they would be more reluctant to move prospects.
Sure, I can imagine John Henry having a say, but I can’t imagine Dombrowski to jump into a roll where he can bring in his BFF (Frank Wren) and not have the resounding voice on matters like this.
Boston needs to go for young arms with upside….. We don’t need vets with age and big contracts
You do know that Teheran is ONLY 25, has a contract through 2019 with VERY affordable option for 2020. His contract is also one of the most favorable for owners in the league with only 37.3 million (including option) left for 2017;2018;2019; and 2020. Basically David Price makes that in just 13 months more or less.
His age and his contract actually are part of the big value in Teheran.
Apparently you don’t get around much or either you have no idea what you’re talking abt lol. Teheran is young.
Be surprised if Bregman gets the call this year, especially with Reed on the big club now. may be a small trade or two for the astros, but that’s it barring a major injury.
Unfortunately Arizona drastically overpaid on Shelby Miller and set a terrible precedent for the market. Indians followed suit by putting a ridiculous price tag on Salazar and Carrasco. The Braves have every right to ask for several top prospects as they lose nothing by keeping Teheran around. Given the way some teams do business, his value will just continue to rise. It’s not like ATL needs to get out from a bad contract or hurry up and get something before they cannot resign him – they have all the leverage here. Boston is nuts if they are willing to give up all that talent. If they were to give up 2 of the top 15 prospects 2 more then Jose Fernandez should be the name they are going for. Nobody wanted to touch Teheran at this time last year and now he is Ace material?
Exactly!! What I would like to know is, if Teheran is such an Ace then why do Braves fans propose trades for him? He is only 25 and is controlled for several years after their next window is supposed to open. You use a #1 pitcher as a building block and never trade him until he gets on the wrong side of 30. Teheran for Moncada and Benintindi? It’s laughable. I even saw one comment that said Vizcaino would fetch Benintindi alone. On what planet does that happen? Kimbrel or Giles didn’t even net a prospect like Benintindi. Yet, an oft injured reliever having his first breakout season as closer is going to? Braves fans have been spoiled by Dave Stewart’s dumb assery.
I think the point for ATL to trade Teheran is they have many offensive holes and with the amount of high quality pitching prospects they have stocked in the minors and lack of quality bats, they will take the chance on trading a player like Teheran if they can fill needs that will help their rebuilds time frame..I don’t believe it is build on the thought that he isn’t good..
FYI: Kimbrel didn’t net a top prospect from SD because of the money he was owed and SD having to take the worst MLB contract at the time (Melvin Upton). Even then, ATL shed $$$ and got Wisler and more. Kimbrel got a great package headlined by Margot from BOS. With a GM that might believe in quality over quantity, Viz could fetch a top prospect if their team is at a spending limit considering Viz is relatively inexpensive and controllable for 3 seasons while Miller is expensive and Chapman is gone next year.
Haha actually Viz had his breakout season last year as closer when Grilli got hurt. Get your FACTS straight. Don’t just make up stuff to try to make whatever point you’re trying to make look better. Also with the surplus of pitching prospects they have in the minors, they can take the risk of trading Teheran to fill other holes on the team. Come on dude, use your head. It’s laughable that you tried to compare Boston trading for Tillman to Boston trading for Teheran
I’m sure teams would have wanted Teheran this time last year if Coppy was openly trying to shop him, but he had 1 BAD HALF of a season and if Coppy was going to trade him, I’m sure he wanted wanted to wait for him to pitch better and get his value back up. Kinda like he did this year. If you think that a team wouldn’t have jumped on and bought low on a young, affordable pitcher with a consistent track record of success that was having a bad half of a year then you are crazy. Coppy wasn’t going to sell low on him lol
Compared to the stats of a majority of Red Sox starting pitchers this year, I would say…..YES!
Red Sox trade Mad Libs:
“Hi. Yes, we’d like to trade for (insert solid young controllable starting pitcher here). You can’t have (insert pet prospect here), but a package of (insert failed prospect here), (insert spare part here), and (insert AAAA reliever here) should be able to get the job done if you take Pablo Sandoval in the deal. Whadda ya say?”
i am tired of hearing about Teheran’s FIP being bad. It’s the most rediculous stat probably ever. Maybe I don’t understand it so please any stat geek on here plz let me know if I am wrong.
The whole point of FIP is to give the pitcher a better hold on what he actually controls ? K’s, BB, HBP. HR How does any of that reward a pitcher that pitches to contact ? If a team has an above average Inf defense wouldn’t it be best served for a SP to pitch low in the zone to draw ground outs ? Since when has pitching to contact to keep pitch counts low been a detriment ?
I have never looked at an ERA as a tell all be all in the success of a pitcher either so please tell me why this particular stat should be so important. I look at IP &WHIP as my most important categories.
I just don’t understand in the sabermetric world how as a batter they say a K is menial and is looked at as just another out but yet it is so important to a pitcher. Please somebody break it down for me I must really be to old school. Also if the stat is based on what a pitcher controls how does it reward a pitcher like Teheran who single handedly controls the running game with his tremendous pick off move. Not only does that prevent steals but also 1st to 3rds on base hits.
I’ve been arguing about this Teheran and his FIP stuff for forever. It’s no use. That’s all they use and say. They can’t explain why he out pitches his peripherals every year or they don’t know that he has. They don’t know why he keeps getting better when his peripherals say he should be regressing. They just don’t know why, but they continue to use that same old tired line day after day and year after year. They don’t think a 25 yr old could learn how to pitch and get hitters out with A 92 mph fb instead of throwing 95 mph all the time. Instead they think his velocity keeps dropping every year. It’s impossible for them to think that he takes a little off the fb to command and control his pitches better. That would be impossible! That could never happen in their minds because the numbers don’t show that. Even though his strikeouts are up and his walks are down. They think that a 25 yr old can’t be just getting better and better with more experience. That’s impossible because the numbers say he should be regressing lol. His ERA doesn’t matter. His k/9 and bb/9 improving doesn’t matter. His IP and whip doesn’t matter. His era+ doesn’t matter. His Sierra doesn’t matter. His H/9 doesn’t matter. His k/bb ratio doesn’t matter.The only thing that matters is his FIP and xFIP. That’s the only thing that matters apparently even if he keeps out pitching it because it says he is suppose to regress. I don’t think they’ll ever get a new line tbh
I just do not understand the stat. I mean I understand it but I just can’t understand how or why it would be so important. And I have still not heard an explanation for clarity from somebody that finds it so important.
It’s basically a bunch of would have/should have/could haves. This ball hit and that ball hit could have been a HR or that fly ball would have been a HR if the batter would have hit it harder or squared it up. Key phrase there is “would have.” His barting average against doesn’t matter either. I don’t understand all the hate and discredit
Houston 3b have been paltry? Huh? Valbuena’s line is .259/ .359/ .450 /.809 ?? And Gonzalez’s is fairly close to that….