The Red Sox have inquired about high-end starting pitchers like the Marlins’ Jose Fernandez and the Pirates’ Gerrit Cole this season, but Boston has unsurprisingly balked at sending back shortstop Xander Bogaerts or right fielder Mookie Betts, a source told Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald. With a rotation whose ERA (4.66) and K/BB ratio (2.4) are both below average, the Red Sox are looking for starters who can help them “in the present or the future,” a source informed Silverman.
More on both Boston and its archenemy:
- In the event the Yankees are deadline sellers, right fielder Carlos Beltran could draw significant interest, an AL scout told John Perrotto of FanRag Sports. “He would help a lot of teams. He’s swinging the bat as well as I’ve ever seen him. He still plays a passable enough right field to help a National League team and American League teams can use him as a designated hitter,” said the scout. In his age-39 season, the switch-hitting Beltran is slashing .283/.316/.567 with an impressive 18 home runs in 256 plate appearances.
- Yankees reliever Andrew Miller’s name seems to surface in trade rumors on a daily basis, but the lefty told NJ.com (via Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune) that it doesn’t bother him. “I have zero control on it. I have zero leverage,” he said. “I don’t have any no-trade (clause). It comes with the territory I’m in. … I’m not immune to checking trade rumors because I want to see.” The 31-year-old Miller has already been dealt three times in his career, having gone from the Tigers to the Marlins to the Red Sox to the Orioles via the trade route.
- One potential reason the Red Sox are looking for rotation reinforcements is the struggles of southpaw Eduardo Rodriguez, whom Baltimore traded to Boston for Miller in 2014. Rodriguez has surrendered 16 earned runs while striking out 12 and walking nine in four starts (20 2/3 innings), though he’ll keep his rotation spot, per Chris Mason of the Boston Herald. Prior to his next start, which is Wednesday against the White Sox, Rodriguez will work on returning to the delivery he used during a successful rookie campaign a year ago. In 121 2/3 major league innings last season, Rodriguez compiled a 3.85 ERA, 7.25 K/9, 2.74 BB/9 and 43 percent ground-ball rate.
- First baseman Mark Teixeira could reenter the Yankees’ lineup as early as Saturday if all goes well in a rehab stint during the upcoming week, manager Joe Girardi said (via Randy Miller of NJ.com). That would represent a relatively quick comeback for Teixeira, who was a possibility for surgery after a cartilage tear in his right knee forced him to the disabled list June 4. Surgery still isn’t off the table in the event of a setback, though, and Girardi acknowledged that the injury could prevent Teixeira from serving as an everyday option. In his absence, the Yankees have turned to a platoon of Rob Refsnyder and the recently acquired Ike Davis at first.
C’mon BOS, Teheran just hurled a CG 1-hitter (0 BB) vs. the reigning NL champions in NYM. His WHIP is under 1.00 and his strikeout-to-walk ratio is falling more in line with ace stuff. He wouldn’t require Betts or Bogaerts, but I could think of another few players starting with B that could interest ATL.
He’s young with upside….. That’s a nice player
He has been great, but the Mets offense has been equally bad. They may be the reigning champs, but it’s also the 17th time in 68 games (25%) they’ve been held to 1 run or less.
I wish he’d thrown a perfect game, might have given the Mets more cause to make some changes on the team or otherwise.
Teheran should get them more than Miller, but I don’t think any team will be that dumb again… the Dbacks do have some fresh prospects though 😉
Here’s the thing about Julio Teheran. The Red Sox already have Julio Teheran. Except his name is Rick Porcello: i.imgur.com/tCCjE01.png?1
Adding another Rick Porcello won’t upgrade this rotation.
I can’t type enough”way”‘s to describe how much better of an asset Teheran is than Porcello. You Sox fans are just amazing!
Aside from being younger and paid less, they are the same pitcher. Did you look at their stats? And besides, Julio Teheran barely cracks 90 MPH with his FB. Hardly the type of guy Dombrowski likes. Braves fans are deluding themselves if they think the Red Sox would send a few top propsects their way.
Have you watched Teheran lately?! It’s clearly obvious you haven’t because he has been sitting 92-94 and frequently touching 95.
lol I love it. What in the world are you looking at? Whether you look at Fangraphs pitchFX or Brooks Baseball, he is barely cracking 90:
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Look at that graph at Brooks in particular. His velocity has been trending down considerably over his entire career. The idea that Dombrowski will shell out top prospects for him is a total pipe dream.
Lord smh!
Lol and that’s why y’all won’t get him.
No, but he will require Moncada, Benitendi and probably someone from the major league roster. After they drained their farm for Kimbrel, they have to use a little restraint.
Are we talking Teheran? No way he would require a return of that nature.
Check again. He’s one of better young pitchers in the game, and cheap and locked up for a while. And I’m not a Braves fan at all.
It’s laughable coming here folk think they can get a cheap, young very good pitcher like Teheran for spare parts. If you go back to last June a full season Teheran has some of the best numbers in the game! I pray my Braves don’t trade him.
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Do me a favor and take a look at those stats. Julio Teheran and Rick Porcello have been virtually the same pitcher over the last calendar year. Adding another Porcello to the Red Sox rotation won’t do anything to upgrade the team.
Do me a favor and watch the games you’ll see that they’re not.
Hes an above average starter with quality numbers, but an unusually high FIP in a pitchers park, hes not fetching more than Cole Hamels did, sorry.
Moncada is as highly touted a prospect as anyone, and plays a premium position, plus you want another top 50 prospect plus young MLB player?
You can ask for that, but no way would anyone give it.
In no way am I suggesting he should be dealt for spare parts, but his FIP is high, and he gives up a surprising amount of HRs for a guy in a pitchers part, in arguably the worst offensive division in baseball.
All I’m saying is Moncada isn’t getting traded for anyone short of a Sale/Gray type. Teheran is good, but he isn’t on their level. That said, if you said Benintendi+, I’ll be all for that, but Moncada, Benintendi and then some? Nah. No one is going to do that. When was the last time an elite prospect that plays a premium position get traded along with multiple other pieces for anyone? (Don’t say Shelby Miller, because we all know that was once in a generation, and a complete fail by the DBacks).
Right, that’s clearly the best way to evaluate players. Don’t look at their stats, just look at what you see. How about this, we’ll send you Joe Kelly for Dansby Swanson and Sean Newcomb. Kelly is 28 and throws 97! And he’s under control for years! Don’t look at his stats though, just watch him you’ll know!
Smh you guys don’t get it. The Braves aren’t calling asking for ANYONE! They DO NOT have to trade Teheran. What everyone is saying and it is fact that he’s one of the best young, controllable arms that could possibly be had be he’s not going to come cheap.
In the last 2 years…Teheran: 3.70 ERA, 4.30 FIP, 104 ERA+, 1.208 WHIP, 3.7 WAR
This year: 4.07 FIP, 3.95 xFIP, 3.84 SIERA, and hes lost more than a MPH on his fastball.
Hes a really good pitcher, but no one is giving up an elite prospect, another top prospect and MLB pieces for him.
Absolutely has lots of trade value, but Moncada, Benintendi and an MLB piece is on the same level as the Miller deal, and no one is making that trade twice.
Are you sure? You are aware that Dombrowski trades prospects like they were baseball cards. Moncada and Benintendi aren’t helping the BoSox win the 2016 WS, but Teheran and others might.. It’s Boston, it’s not like they really need to develop that many prospects. They have a payroll high enough to let others develop the prospects and then buy them later. Not to mention they can blow out the international market every 3 years to replenish their farms.
Maybe you’re right.
Let me rephrase.
Any GM that has any logical grasp on trade value isn’t making a deal like that unless they are in complete desperation to add SP (which they could be, who knows).
In my personal opinion, if you’re going to deal Moncada and Benintendi, you might as well go after a Gray, Sale, Quintana, or one of the big 4 Mets. I think that package can land more than a Teheran. (Again, thats not an insult to Teheran, rather a complement to those prospects.)
It doesn’t matter what you think Teheran is worth or what his value is. Have you seen the list of the projected trade pieces for this deadline? Teheran is by far and away the best on that list, and it’s a pretty bare list for SPs. Every contender is going to be trying to get better, the Braves don’t have to trade Teheran. Maybe the Sox don’t trade for him, but if they want him they will be paying top prospects, and by that I mean more than 1.
I can make the case against Moncada simply because of the dollar amount Boston has already invested in him, but I do think the rest of them are not out of the question.
How many times have so called can’t miss prospects come along and ended up being bust?! Countless times as a Braves fan I loved the Miller deal but Swanson and Blair could end up being busts as well. No player is untouchable imo especially prospects for established ML players.
I absolutely agree with everything you have said. I believe that every prospect that the Sox have (except Moncada) is in play. I don’t believe, however, that Teheran is worth Moncada, Benintendi and others.
If you’re offering Benintendi+, sure. I think the market has said thats a good return. I don’t believe that Teheran will approach Miller-like value.
It’s not about sure-thing prospects. It’s about value.
Are you going to trade Albies, Swanson, Blair, Newcomb and Allard for Dustin Pedrioa because you know what you’re getting? Of course not.
The future value of prospects is what your gambling on, not how much of a sure thing they are.
Say if the Braves were in contention, they had the payroll of the Sox and they needed a pitcher. I’m sure they’d be willing to trade Top prospects in order to get what they needed. They’ve done it before when they actually had one of the bigger payrolls. Wainwright+ for J.D. Drew
Waino wasn’t as highly praised as Benintendi, let alone Moncada, at the time of that trade.
You’re including his horrible start from last year in that. If you look from the all star break on, completely different pitcher. Teheran is better than Porcello with the eye test and results. He’s constantly outperformed his peripherals. Alternatively, “another Porcello” would be *considerably* better than your 4-5 options. Which leads to more wins and more wins is a better team. Right?
I think hes better than Porcello. I don’t think hes worth those prospects.
Brixton,
Yes, Teheran would require a deal of that stature. Not because Teheran is up there with Sale and Gray and such, but because of his value to the team.
John Coppolella has stated it’ll take a Miller like deal to give up Teheran because Teheran is cheap, controllable, and good. Also, he is one of the leaders for this team.
Braves are gonna want a ML player (probably a batter) as well as a top prospect or two. Would love it if they would take Markakis too.
For a team like Atlanta (rebuilding but not throwing everyone to the wolves) it’ll take a big deal to take away their best player not named Freddie Freeman
I can name 2 trades- mark Texeira and JD Drew.. Both had elite prospects (which is what they are, ask Runsey Castillo) plus more..
No one is giving up a haul because Teheran means a lot to Atlanta.
That’s not the best argument, since (unfortunately) the braves have made that type of trade before, twice!! JD drew and Texeira.. Trades are dependent on what a teams immediate plans are. Is it to rebuild or to win now? Not to say Boston or any team will trade for Teheran.. But if they believe he can help with either and they have expendable pieces to get him, they will! And Boston has a very good hitting major league roster and a deep farm system.. That is a place they can deal from..
I hate the Shelby Miller trade because now almost every brave fan believes every team has to be as stupid as the dbacks and give a haul for a pitcher thats not exactly outstanding
Mike, that was a different management and a different club situation,
I believe the Red Sox are in the same situation, as the Braves were then. They are 1 GB despite their rotations performance.. I believe David price is an ace, after that not much..Teheran is much better than Porcello.. <that is fact! Boston needs at least 1 starter, to compete come playoff time. Is it Terheran, only Their GM knows.. But to say no GM will pay a steep price of prospects make zero sense.. We have seen it time and time again. Some work out for both some don't.. Let's all be very clear, prospects are just that! Know one knows what they will be at the next level! 1st rounders are busts and guys from the 20th round are all-stars..
Proven MLB, all star caliber players are just that, proven! Prospects are just prospects.. Use Castillo for example, $72mil, right now looks to be a major bust. Then you have Moncado, $60mil, tearing up minors (as did Castillo) but he is some un-tradable legend of a prospect?
All-star pitcher that's controllable, affordable and hasn't reached his prime years for a #1 prospect, a top 10 prospect plus 1 more is not as ridiculous as this and other fan treads make it out to be..
All of this!!!
Actually adding another Rick porcello would upgrade the rotation and think about who Boston traded for porcello too… A little known baseball player named YOENIS CESPEDES
I actually have to agree with Brixton on this case. I don’t think Teheran would return Moncada, but I do think he could return benitendi and others. He’s obviously way better than Porcello, has a higher ceiling, and has performed better than him as well. That said, I think moncada’s value is higher at the current moment. At the very least, if the sox did trade him, you wouldn’t have to add other significant pieces.
Addison Russell and billy McKinney for Jeff samardjza
Like it or not, starting pitching is AT A PREMIUM. What’s ‘fair’ isn’t the issue here. SUPPLY AND DEMAND is!
There are BUMS who are going to get $15-$20 mil on the free agent market. However Teheran is only 25…making $3.1 mil in 2016…$6.3 in 2017….$8 mil in 2018…$11 mil in 2019…and a $12 mil team option in 2020. That’s $42 mil COMBINED over the next 4 1/2 years….from his age 25-30 years (PRIME TIME)! Boston just wasted away $250 mil on Runsey Castillo, Panda and Hanley Ramirez!
Price and Wright IS NOT going to get it done for Boston! Porcello is a BUM…Buckholz is washed up…Rodriguez is an overhyped prospect (4.30 ERA in 25 career starts). Baltimore and Toronto will get some deals done to improve their team!
A rotation of Price, Wright and Teheran…would go A LONG WAYS to solving Boston’s rotation problems.
So while you may lament the Shelby Miller Trade….the stark reality is that Julio Teheran is a better, healthier, cheaper PITCHER than Miller! Market forces puts The Braves in the driver’s seat!
THE ONLY way Boston gets Teheran..is if they give up Moncada, Bentindeti AND Swihart (and possibly a lower lower pitching prospect)! If not..we’ll gladly keep him for the next 4 1/2 years and build out pitching staff around him! Not a bad prospect EITHER WAY!
The Braves aren’t giving away Teheran on the cheap..not giving away Teheran for what the market will bear…just because MORONIC FANS like you want to trade your garbage for our gold! I’m more than happy seeing My Braves keeping Teheran for the next 4 1/2 years on his VERY AFFORDABLE $42 mil contract……than giving him away! If Teheran was a free agent (he’s only 25) at the end of this season…he would get WELL IN EXCESS of $42 mil over the next 4 1/2 seasons! That alone…makes the price GO UP in terms of prospects! The fact that most of you cannot understand that…shows how STUPID many of you are!
Kimbrell required a BA 50ish ranked guy, along with one ranked in the 80’s to go along with another kid Boston had just given 750k to in last year’s draft in a way over slot deal.
NONE of those kids were top 4 then in the system and right now they have 4 in Benintendi, Anderson, Moncada and Devers as better prospects than anyone given up for Kimbrell.
I am 100% a Braves fan and I 100% hope the Braves keep him regardless of the package back .. the Braves will contend sooner rather than later and Teheran could help lead a strong young rotation at a team friendly cost
You are nuts if you think he’d require either let alone both. And the farm system is hardly drained.
Drained their farm? Lmao, BA still has 5 Sox prospects in the top 100, 4 of them in the top 19. But yea, they drained it.
Not to mention the guys not classified as “prospects” anymore who are still growing such as Vazquez, Swihart, E-Rod (hopefully), etc.
It makes no sense for the Marlins to trade Jose right now. They’re in the wild card hunt and it’s not like the BoSox have a high end MLB pitching* prospect. The dodgers are a team who could trade for Jose. I doubt they would want to give up Urias, but they could trade DeLeon, plus Holmes or montas. With the re-emergence of Ozuna this is less of a fit because puig is less interesting. But the Dodgers are a fit for him. Texas is another decent match. Not saying the Red Sox couldn’t, but I doubt they would trade their high-end prospects for 2.5 years of Jose. But it would need to be a trade that makes the Marlins better this year, not worse. Their fans would riot. They finally have a solid team. I doubt the Marlins would budge much off their stance though a guy like moncada would be a hit. They could use Devers too. High asking price. Who knows? Dombronski might pull the trigger though.
100% agree… I’d be shocked if the Marlins trade Jose before the offseason, they look like a real contender and this is without Stanton hitting or Gordon for half the season. Ozuna could be in the MVP chatter if he keeps this up.
For Teheran it’s going to take more than a B but add a M and an E and then we can tslk
It’s like the Red Sox don’t know that asking for an ace in June would require sending over an equal star if not a total tear up of the farm system. This is why they don’t have Cole Hamels, I applaud holding onto Mollie and Bo, looks pretty bad they didn’t give up swihart now. Considering he won’t be a catcher and that bat is not special for left field.
Boy did Boston over pay and over rate on Price….. I wanted Zimmerman and another pitcher…..
I think the Giants are ecstatic with Shark and Cueto. Those deals both look like steals. Although Cueto has an opt out. I think this year the top 3 teams in the league are all in the NL, just like last year. The Cubs are slightly better than the nationals and the Giants. The pitching is likely to regress at some point, but here’s to hoping the offense also is on the rise. I think Montero might be on the block (Cubs picking up most of the cash) for anyone who loses out on the lucroy bid. Montero is having a solid, but not overly impressive year. He could be traded for his roster spot/some salary relief. An interesting player who could get traded this deadline is Andrew Mccutchen. He is having somewhat of a down year and the Pirates just aren’t competing. It is early, but if they don’t turn it around he could get moved for the right offer. Maybe to the Mets, Dodgers, Nats. I’m surprised there isn’t much more chatter about him. The Pirates could deal Cole, but like Fernandez, it would take something equally as good or massive prospect haul.
Price has a 2.49 ERA his last 8 starts and Zimmerman? Yeah…. a 5.60 ERA his last 7.
It doesn’t matter if you wanted Zimmerman lol he was a Midwest kid who wanted to stay in the Midwest. Cueto is the real deal the question with him just like any other pitcher is if he can stay healthy the whole year. Other than than that that’s a filthy 1/2 punch.
Everyone keeps spouting stats about Teheran but they keep forgetting the most important number of all. His contract. He is controlled through 2020 for less than half market value. Getting 4.5 years of a pitcher at those prices is worth a lot. Even IF he regressed to his FIP (which I don’t think he will because of the way he pitches) he would still provide a TON of excess value. 15 WAR at $8m per is $120m in value and you would only be paying around $42m for it which is $78m in excess value. If he only provided 12 WAR he’d still be giving you $54m in excess value. If you split the difference at $66m in required value in trade (and the fact that the Braves don’t have to trade him) I would expect a team to need to offer two of their top 3 prospects and another top 10 to equal that value unless one of those prospects are also a top 5 in all of MLB.
Trade Betances, Miller, Chapman, Beltran, Gardner, Refsnyder, Goody, Pineda and Ellsbury for Soler, Baez, Candelario, Torres, Happ, Jimenez, Schwarber, and McKinney
Don’t think the Cubs will do that.
I don’t think the Yankees do that
Always liked Teheran, Sox should acquire same. Fernandez or Cole would be nice, obviously, but not at such a price tag. I would ship Bradley Jr. for a starter, I remain unconvinced on JBJ.
I don’t know if you are specifically talking about Cole and Fernandez but I doubt the Pirates or Marlins would consider a trade for an outfielder.
Speaking of the Yankees, what is going on this season? Is it them or the other teams are just better?
I hope the Red Sox trade the farm for Tehren because I don’t like the Red Sox and there attempts at convincing baseball that they are a small market team. Saying that I really am not high on Teheran. I believe fangraphs broke down his stats including his loss of few mph on fastball, pitching to contact, pitching in big ball park, worst division baseball and all that good stuff. You put that kid I the AL East in the ban box stadiums and you will no doubt see his era go up a run and a half and then he will press. He does not have dominant stuff to succeed and pitch out if constant trouble. Pitchers in the al east have to have different mind set and either be completely over powering (Pedro) or know how to work in and out of trouble (petite and Lester). I’m just curious how a majority and not all but vast majority o Brave fans come on this site every day with fantasy trade ideas for Teheran which makes no sense because if he is young and s top of rotation pitcher like you claim he is why not build around him. Your not going to get those type of pitchers in trades! But the fact that you continue to ask for every trans top prospects is laughable when the eye test and statistics display a different pitcher getting away with pitching in the weak NL east in pitchers park! Sorry but I wouldn’t even give up benediti and another high end prospect for him!
It’s laughable ^ that Red Sox fans or who ever for that matter, think that a proven major league stater isn’t worth top draft picks.. Fan graphs this, fan graphs that… Teheran can pitch! Period.. Do you watch him pitch?? He throws 90-92 on the reg. And can reach back for 95 if he needs.. No, he doesn’t throw 95-97 on the reg. But how many do? And how many of them have any long term success? I wish I could of read treads from when Glavine/Maddux pitched.. They sure did suck.. The point is not to compare Teheran with them, but to show how ridiculous it is to say because he only throws 90-92mph he isn’t a high end starter!
Also Teheran has a high strand rate, that’s because he knows how to pitch out of trouble, like Lester and Petite!
I think if the Red Sox offered Devers, Owens, marrero, Chavis for gray the A’s would accept. I like this deal for both teams, the sox get the #2 they desperately need and the A’s get a future 30 hr 3rd baseman in Devers, a #3 starter in Owens, a possible SS in marrero( thought he more than likely is a utility guy but with semian at short u never know) and Chavis who knows where he’ll play it could be 3rd, 2nd,1st or outfield but he has the power potential to make an impact at the big league level.
This is why sox fans get a bad rep… I promise only most of us are like this!