12:10pm: Angels GM Billy Eppler tells reporters that Heaney was examined by multiple doctors, with opinions ranging from “normal wear and tear” to “some degree of tear.” (Twitter links via Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register) For the time being, at least, Eppler said that Heaney will not undergo Tommy John surgery. Heaney, instead, is “opting for conservative care like other pitchers have done.”
MLB.com’s Alden Gonzalez, meanwhile, tweets that sources tell him that Tommy John surgery for Richards is “inevitable” due to the degree of the tear in his elbow.
9:26am: In a stunning bombshell that casts considerable doubt on the Angels’ ability to contend this season, Yahoo’s Jeff Passan reports that both ace Garrett Richards and left-hander Andrew Heaney have damaged ulnar collateral ligaments in their pitching elbows. Richards has a tear in the ligament and is expected to undergo Tommy John surgery, Passan reports, while Heaney has some damage to the ligament and is hoping to rehab and avoid the same surgery at this time. Richards and Heaney entered the season as the Halos’ top two starters.
The news comes as a dagger to what has already been an injury-depleted Angels rotation. Left-hander C.J. Wilson has yet to pitch this season as he recovers from elbow surgery to remove bone spurs, and Heaney has been on the shelf since early April with what has been termed a strained flexor muscle. Jered Weaver, meanwhile, has struggled to a 5.40 ERA while averaging a career-worst 81.9 mph on his fastball. To make matters worse, left-hander Tyler Skaggs, on his way back from his own Tommy John surgery (late in 2014), has seen his rehab slowed by biceps tendinitis. The Halos had originally patched up Heaney’s spot in the rotation with right-hander Nick Tropeano, but with the club now facing the remainder of the season without Richards and perhaps Heaney, in addition to another six or so weeks without Wilson, it’s difficult to envision the club climbing back from its current 13-15 record and factoring into the mix in the American League West.
Richards, 27, has stepped up and cemented himself as the Angels’ top starter since Opening Day 2014. The former No. 42 overall pick has worked to a very strong 3.11 ERA with 8.2 K/9, 3.1 BB/9 and a 52.5 percent ground-ball rate across 410 2/3 innings in that time. While his 2014 campaign was cut short by a torn patellar tendon in his left knee, Richards rebounded to throw a career-high 207 1/3 innings last season and was expected to front the Angels’ rotation with a similar workload in 2016. Instead, his season will come to an end with just 34 2/3 innings of 2.34 ERA ball under his belt. In a best-case scenario, he’d return to the club in early May of 2017, but targeting a June or July return next season is more realistic.
Richards agreed to a $6.425MM contract this winter to avoid arbitration in his second trip through the process. As a Super Two player, he’ll be eligible in each of the next two offseasons before hitting free agency upon conclusion of the 2018 season. Because he threw just 34 2/3 innings this season, the raise he can expect upon that $6.425MM salary is minimal, though the quality of said innings should give him somewhat of a bump. Even at $7MM, he should be an easy call for the Halos to tender a contract, however, especially considering the fact that doing so entitles them not only to a partial season in 2017 but a full season in 2018.
As for Heaney, there’s no telling exactly how long he’ll remain sidelined until the specific nature of his UCL damage is known. However, even if the Angels and Heaney continue down the rehabilitation path, it seems likely that the UCL damage will lead to a prolonged absence. Masahiro Tanaka, for instance, elected to rehab a minor tear of his UCL in his rookie season but still didn’t set foot on a big league mound between July 8 and Sept. 21.
If the Angels choose to go outside the organization to add some pitching depth, there are a few options available. Tim Lincecum, of course, is slated to host his much-ballyhooed showcase today, though it seems unlikely that he’d be able to step into a rotation with any sort of immediacy, as he’d need some work in the minors to re-acclimate himself with pitching in a game setting. Kyle Lohse, too, is said to be auditioning for teams. His workout hasn’t generated the fanfare of Lincecum’s, of course, though Lohse notably has been a vastly superior pitcher to Lincecum across the past five seasons. Left-hander John Danks is set to be released by the White Sox following his DFA, and the Twins recently placed a viable back-of-the-rotation candidate, Tommy Milone, on waivers.
Looking internally, the Halos unfortunately thinned out the upper levels of their system this winter by trading lefty Sean Newcomb and right-hander Chris Ellis to the Braves in exchange for Andrelton Simmons. That removed two near-MLB arms from the picture, though the team does still have a somewhat intriguing arm at the Triple-A level in the form of left-hander Nate Smith. The former eighth-round pick has a 3.79 ERA with 7.8 K/9 against 2.3 BB/9 through his first 35 2/3 innings this season, and both MLB.com and Baseball America rated him third in a weak Angels farm system while writing that he could be a fourth or fifth starter. Obviously, that doesn’t make up for the loss of an arm like Richards or Heaney, but he could reasonably provide the club with an option to at least turn in competitive innings on a regular basis.
A'sfaninUK
Time to trade Trout…
disadvantage
Which team do you think they’ll trade him for?
A'sfaninUK
I think he will bring in a teams top 10 prospects and 2-4 very good regular players. I think the Rangers will probably make the first offer, as their prospects are often really good, unlike a team like Boston or either NY team, who are mostly hype-related due to ESPN constantly reporting on all 3 of them.
What if Atlanta took both Trout and Pujols/Pujols’s contract in exchange for their top 5 prospects and Freeman?
R.D.
Doubt the Braves would trade both of their future shortstops for even Trout..
User 4245925809
You seriously need to get off that Boston’s prospects are nothing but hype kick seem to be stuck on. How many teams in the league can lay claim to having 5-6 of their own kids in the lineup, age 27 or under that PRODUCE and came up through the farm system? Not to mention have 3-4 more guys top 40 and at least 1-2 should make it to being a MLB regular.
Hope u stick around long enough on this board for when they do and remember all these slams, unlike many who have changed their usernames, or just disappeared over the years after all this nonsense.
chesteraarthur
You are over rating the trade value of mike trout. This isn’t the NBA, one player doesn’t make a team, even one as great as Mike Trout.
That Pujols contract is a huge negative and Freeman provides surplus value(probably). Throwing in the top 5 prospects on top of that is nuts.
Gogerty
In Atlanta I could see a package of Blair, Newcomb, Chacin, Inciarte, Teheran, and Freeman for Trout and Escobar.
jrwhite21
As a Bostonian, I can confirm that their prospects are often overhyped. I believe benintendi,
Moncada, and Espinoza are the real deal. Maybe even devers. But look at guys like middlebrooks, ceccini, Kalish, Westmoreland (although he had to retire due to a brain thing) and others. A lot of their prospects don’t pan out after being overhyped. Same goes for the Yankees although I can’t give you any names.
jrwhite21
But you can also make the same claims about a lot of teams. Look at seattles big three of taijuan walker, James Paxton, and Danny hultzen….hultzen hasn’t reached the majors and Paxton is still in AAA. Walker does look like the real deal however.
silverbeard
I’m a Braves fan and we have played Salem several times this season and the guys who write about our prospects at Talking Chop are terrified of that team. Boston prospects are for real.
stymeedone
The only place Seattle’s prospects get hyped is Seattle. Boston, NY, and LA get national hype due to their being media hubs. It’s not that other teams don’t have their fair share of prospects that fall short. It’s that those prospects weren’t rubbed in our faces for the length of time a Boston prospect is.
mike244
. The Redsox have arguably the best young talent in the majors from the minors to the majors not named the Cubs.
Betts, Bogaerts, Erod, Shaw, JBJ all in the majors. Moncada, Benintendi, Swihart, Espinoza, Travis, Devers all in the minors.
On the topic of redsox prospects being overrated… Pedroia, Hanley, Ellsbury, Lester, Reddick, Rizo, Sanchez, Papelbon, Betts, Bogaerts, JBJ, Youkilis, Buchholz.. I’m not sure you can name 5 organizations that have had more talent come our there farm in the last 15 or so years
If anything the Rangers prospects have been incredibly hyped. How many actually good players have they produced from their farm?
jlc30001
Well for starters you could bring up the world champs. Most of that team is home grown.
fatmonk3y13
Maybe the Braves due to the prospects or they might go for a big time pitcher and some prospects. But i feel that it is going to be a trade where the Angles will get more players then the other team.
redsfanman
The Angels’ farm system is pretty empty, among the worst in baseball. Money already tied up, and few prospects to call up. A Trout trade would sure provide their system with a huge boost. In addition to getting them a higher draft pick next season. In my opinion rebuilding is their only alternative to an extended period of sustained mediocrity.
RunDMC
Even then, you’ve got Pujols contract to deal with. I say unless you can unload Pujols, keep Trout and try to contend. Trout’s deal is savings that was thrown away on Pujols’ insane deal.
ryanw-2
They have about $135 million in AAV after Pujols and Hamilton’s contract. That’s more than plenty of room to continue supplementing Trout. And you would’ve been ecstatic if Pujols signed with your team. Any fan would’ve been.
chesteraarthur
Uh, no. That Pujols deal was seen as terrible from day 1 by many, many people. Too many years
hittingnull
Not really. Any sabermetric inclined fan would have saw that Pujols numbers were trending down and signing Pujols to a ten year contract after age 30 was insane. Pujols first five years have been decent, but those last five years are going to be hell.
RunDMC
For 10 years?! The way that Dominican clydesdale was going around the bases towards the end of his STL campaign, anyone that watched Doogie Howser M.D. could have told you he wouldn’t last half the contract without the aid of a walker.
angelsforever
Artie Moreno ruined Albert’s reputation in St. Louis and Albert was a greedy and willing participant.
angelsforever
Artie Moreno built the team around his boy Albert…he told Albert that Albert was his “Partner” when he signed him.
Albert runs the team. Very sad.
angelsforever
So true
vinscully16
… all true. Nothing worse than prolonged mediocrity – just ask a Jays fan.
One Fan
Trade Trout? Why? You think you are climbing back into the race? Your season is over and frankly it was before the season started
MB923
Trade Trout to rebuild the farm. Not to contend this season
dan-9
Well yeah, that’s why they would trade him. For the future, not for this year.
It’s a bad idea though, and they won’t do it. Trout’s a big enough difference maker that the Angels only need to be an average team without him, and suddenly they’re playoff contenders with him. And it’s not that hard for a rich team to be average within a year or two.
halos101
You never trade trout under any circumstance
greg 14
full no trade.
kingfelix34
I’d really like to see Trout in New York, I don’t really know there prospects, does anyone know if they have enough to get Trout
angelsforever
The “Curse of Moreno” is alive and well.
geejohnny
Ouch! Lincecum, Lohse, I’m betting they’re now very interested if they weren’t before.
halos101
Wow what a blow
JCjet
Wow. Talk about bad luck.
Melvin McMurf
Season Over!!!!!
gobraves46
Well then… This is really just Too bad, even as a non-Angels fan I really liked watching them both pitch.
vinscully16
Not only are the Angels a mess, but they have bad luck, too. Factor in a weak farm system and the picture becomes entirely ugly. The Angels are wasting prime Trout years. Such a shame, would love to see Trout hit in a proper lineup with a starting staff to match.
angelsforever
I truly believe in the “Moreno Curse” He promised to not change the name, but he did.
RunDMC
Simmons was a celebrated pitcher because of his arm before making the switch to SS. I’d love to see him in there for spot-relief.
Ayy-Aron
Stretch Rasmus out, sign Lincecum. CJ and Skaggs need to get it together to salvage the season.
Melvin McMurf
CJ has already retired
adshadbolt
Sign lincecum, lohse, and claim every pitcher that goes on waivers
noahflesh
Worst case scenario, we draft an elite prospect
noahflesh
No wait, that’s best case scenario
Nobby
Isn’t Mark Buehrie available?
Niekro
What has happened to Shoemaker is he pitching injured or has the league just figured him out?
Gogerty
Teheran!!!
chesteraarthur
Teheran is bad and the Angels have no one to trade
Gogerty
Haha, change of scenery. I understand, he is just a name that comes up often and Atlanta has the farm now.
Angels do have a few 40 man options that appeal.
chesteraarthur
Who do you find appealing?
RunDMC
I’m really trying hard to find anyone. LAA’s top prospect is C Taylor Ward, but he’s really far off – and some thought he’d be a career back-up, though his hitting as led some people to second guess that.
For a system that has Todd Cunningham (remember him?) as their 28th-best prospect, I say let’s move on to another well.
Gogerty
Should we joke about the package for Trout? Escobar has as many HRs as our leader, as many RBIs as our leader, and would lead our team in BA.
Gogerty
There still are 40 man options the team has.
auteur21
Have you seen Teheran’s last three starts? The Cubs, Red Sox and Dodgers say otherwise.
Gogerty
No arguments there, but he does have potential for better.
chesteraarthur
Yep, 3 starts is a fantastic sample size. Ignore the career career fip and xfip near 4 and also his cumulative 4+ this season cuz he’s had 3 decent starts. Teams should totally just trade for him now.
Gogerty
You always make me laugh. Good morning to you sir.
daro
Trout and Pujols for Sandoval Moncada Devers Benintendi and Espinoza. Who hangs 1st?
bkbkbk
I dont think Ive ever seen a team lose their #1 and #2 in a single day. This is Epplers chance to be clever and not do what our GMs have done historically which is spend money and pray. I hope hes up to the task. #fml
angelsforever
Eppler is very bright and capable for sure. But, Artie Moreno calls all the shots…EVERY one.
dreamrei
And in fairy tale land, Weaver regains arm strength, hits 91mph, Tropeano and Rasmus get the national attention as they beat teams left and right (i mean, honestly, look at their numbers, although small sample size). Lincecum signs and throws decent. And Shoemaker utilizes the wild pitch to ensure he doesn’t allow any more HR’s!
But in seriousness… What is going on?! Anyway you think of it, Skaggs, Richards, Heaney, Weaver, Wilson.?! These players are/were the cog of present and future days. Id take a look at the conditioning team. Injuries will happen, but to have this happen in a stretch where your main pitchers have a prolonged stint in the DL and season ending surgeries?
And yes, I’m an Angels fan. I can’t fathom to see Trout get traded in-season. It would be a “panic move”. But with Weaver and Wilson coming off the books as well as other smaller salary sized-players, they will have some money to play with this coming off season. They’ll have to pass the luxury threshold for sure.
And yes, trading Trout eventually might be a necessary possibility, but can we pleeeease keep him a little longer? Pleeease? haha. The main reason I go to the Angels games is for three reasons, 1.) To see Trout play. 2.) To see them win. 3.) The promo giveaways. So if he ever gets traded, it would suck, but a necessity for an overall better future.
angelsforever
There is NO WAY the LAA trade Mike Trout….NEVER. NO CHANCE.
hittingnull
I bet Jerry Dipoto is glad that he jumped shipped to the mariners. Not having to deal with Arte Moreno’s meddling and Mike Scioscia’s “my way or no way” bull. Now the Angels are suffering through injuries to key pitchers and he does not have to deal with the blame even though most transactions were caused by Moreno.
ryanw-2
Gimme a break. Only a few were caused by Moreno. And that situation came down to two completely different philosophies that just could no co-exist with one another. Both Dipoto and Scioscia are married to their philosophies. Simple as that. But as GM, it was Dipoto’s responsibility to get his staff on board, and he couldn’t do that. Because he was trying to force his philosophy onto Scioscia and his staff and make them his yes men. That’s why he hired Scott Servais. That was his plan here in Anaheim. But now Billy Eppler comes along, and now the Angels have an analytics department and are shifting more than most teams. Hmm. Looks to me like Eppler has the skills that Dipoto doesn’t: ability to get his people on board. Dipoto hasn’t escaped any blame around here except from those who cling to old media narratives and don’t take the time to look at what actually happened.
AidanVega123
You must be a huge Angels fan…
angelsforever
Oh Ryan…Moreno admitted that he wanted Napoli gone and ordered Reagins to sign Vernon Wells. Moreno admitted that he wanted Albert Pujols for “his fans”. Moreno loves CJ Wilson and Josh Hamilton. Read the old LA Times press reports.
Artie said “Jerry has complete power”…clearly, Artie wasnt telling the truth.
Artie promised to keep Torii Hunter…but, let him walk and signed Josh Hamilton.
These are known, confirmed facts…
DiPoto made mistakes too…we ALL do, but, please be truthful.
angelsforever
There is NO WAY the LAA trade Mike Trout….NEVER. NO CHANCE.
staypuft
Oh good god
sascoach2003
I shake my head and really wonder about the conditioning program of players and teams today. It’s hard for me to believe that “back in the day” pitchers could throw 200-275 innings for extended years, without missing turns in the rotation and position players could play 140+ games. I know I have the arm and knee injuries to prove it, but we conditioned, and played. Tommy John was a pitcher-and a damn good one-and not a surgery. I wish I could figure out the correlation, I’d be set for the rest of my life lol.
davidcoonce74
Pitchers throw a lot harder now in general, with better breaking stuff. They’re also throwing sliders and curves way too early, like in little league. Look at Tommy John’s record as an example. Threw tons of innings, never struck anyone out. . – his career k rate was 4.3/9 IP. That doesn’t even get you into the rotation now.
notagain27
“Back in the Day”, kids didn’t throw 100 innings a year pitching for multiple travel ball teams or throw a high percentage of cut fastballs.
You_Know_My_Name
BWAHAHAHA!
Gasp
Gasp
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Gogerty
Bigpapi?
Thurman8er
Both on the Angels. Both on my fantasy team. I hate life.
srdiaz1972
No way they trade Trout, they will sign a couple of these back end free agents hope for the best and go after some arms in free agency. A lot of money coming off the books after this season….
srdiaz1972
Danks, Lohse, Lincecum, Millone….
Kingmojo101
Looks like it’s time to try to sign Tim lincecum and put some bandaids on a deep stab wound that is the starting rotation. I’d say the Angels claim tommy miloney and wait on Skaggs to hopefully be ready by June.
dadabo22
There goes the Angles season
kiddhoff
I can picture Trout in a Cardinals uniform. If Trout is available, what would the Cardinals have to pay?
Yamsi12
You’re whole team and even then it’s probably not enough. It’s laughable that because a few pitchers are down people think moving Trout is in play. He is the one thing making the Angels watchable right now.
chesteraarthur
“He is the one thing making the Angels watchable right now.” – that’s why people think it makes more sense to trade him in an attempt to fill out an entire roster. 1 player doesn’t make your team good and the rest of that angels team is bleh
ryanw-2
Actually when a team has a player as good as Trout, he pretty much makes up the bulk of the difference between being a playoff team and a .500 team. Having Trout there takes care of a LOT of moves that other teams would have to make. Trade talk is absurd. The Angels have so much money they can just let the contracts of Weaver, Wilson, and Hamilton fall off over the next two offseasons, and in the meantime replace that with a boat load of small above average players for depth and buy time for their farm system to redevelop. There is no reason to trade Mike Trout.
chesteraarthur
Takes care of them oh so well….just look at all their deep play off runs with him on their roster. Oh…wait.
hojostache
If the Angels want to compete this year and not waste the next 1-2+ years rebuilding, then they could consider trading Trout. It is highly unlikely, but there is that <1% chance. Boston is an obvious choice (even with their over-rated farm system).
I think a dark horse could be the Mets. They have 3 #1's in Syn, Harvey, & deGrom, any of whom could headline a trade that would also include a number of minor leaguers. Harvey would be the most obvious choice if he can have a solid May/June…but that's a big if right now. I think Syn is untouchable at this point because of his age and performance (see Fan Graphs). deGrom…probably not LAA's first or second choice. Harvey has nearly 3yrs left of control (2018 FA) compared to Trout's 5 (2020 FA), so that's at least in the ballpark.
Maybe MIA will consider moving Fernandez+, but I'm not sure there is another arm like Harvey's that will be available AND include a team willing to move their #1 + significant minor league talent to get Trout. Again, I doubt it would happen due to the PR hit LAA would take and the Mets' Sandy Alderson being on the more conservative side of GMs….but it is fun to speculate on a Friday afternoon.
lazorko
I just shake my head at anyone proposing to trade for Trout, but then starts off with “but so-and-so on my team is untouchable”.
I’ll give the Dodgers Kershaw and the Nats Harper on that, but not anyone else in the game.
hojostache
I list Syn as off limits because he arguably has the most valuable contract in the majors right now. He is a 23yo top 10 pitcher making peanuts ($535k this yr) who isn’t going to be a FA until 2022. I put him as untouchable because while Trout is a better all around player, it will cost the Angels $80-$100m MORE for his services over the same time period (to 2020), and the Mets will have TWO additional years of control after that.
Priggs89
Trout and Stanton in the same lineup? Yes, please.
halos101
Angels need to trade veterans like Joe smith Fernando salas and yunnel Escobar for prospects… Do not trade trout no matter what
davidcoonce74
None of those guys would garner anything remotely resembling a real prospect.
davidcoonce74
Trout is still under market value, until his contract goes to 34mm in 2018 – even then, he’s undervalued. It would take a team’s entire top five prospects – and it would have to be a top 5 farm system – to do it. But it would probably devastate the fan base in a way that would be detrimental to the team in the long run. Trout is a generational talent. I’d guess the Angels will keep him until he goes into free agency. Or extend him for some kind of 10-year/400 million dollar contract.
jlc30001
Trout was just extended last year. That said, he isn’t going anywhere. The Angels aren’t going to farm sale a team that can win next year.
davidcoonce74
Trout was extended through 2020, at about 140 million. But who is LA going to surround him with? They seem to have a real reluctance to pass the luxury tax, and the farm system is terrible. They’re paying Albert Pujols a ton of money forever and he’s not much of a player anymore. The outfield outside of Trout is just a bunch of scrubs, The pitching depth is really thin, and the manager seems obstinate about a lot of things.
It seems like this could be a two or three-year rebuild, and by then you’ve squandered most of Trout’s surplus value, right? I mean, if he has to play on a losing team for the next five years he’ll hit free-agency for sure – at age 28. He’ll get a massive contract. The ANgels will still be paying Pujols 30 million dollars after Trout’s free agency. I don’t think they’ll trade Trout – too much fan backlash; but they could certainly accelerate a rebuild if they did.
angelsforever
YOU are 100% correct, SPOT on.
Gogerty
Your opinion is absolutely correct, my thinking is what about a mix of major league roster players and near ready long term Pre-Arb players? Help the win-now plus future. That way both teams don’t die out.