Here’s a roundup of reactions to Marlins star Dee Gordon’s shocking 80-game PED suspension.
- That a speedy player like Gordon would get busted for PED use might seem surprising, but PED use isn’t just about power, it’s about endurance and maximizing small edges, ESPN’s Doug Glanville writes. Glanville relates that, as a former player, he felt exhausted at the end of a long season, and he adds that other players do as well. A fast singles hitter might feel the temptation to take PEDs in order to get through the grind, according to Glanville.
- That written, some within the game were shocked by Gordon’s suspension, as Glanville’s colleague Jayson Stark notes. The news was particularly surprising given that Gordon had already signed a long-term deal. “This is the single most bizarre case I’ve ever come across, because he tested positive after signing a $50 million contract,” says one team exec. “He could have hit .220 and never stolen another base, and he still would have gotten paid for the next five years.” Stark further notes that the proliferation of PED busts so far this year — Chris Colabello, Abraham Almonte, Jenrry Mejia, and so on — shows that testing is improving.
- Gordon isn’t to be pitied for his actions, but MLB’s culture is perhaps too forgiving of PED users, Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes. Gordon will still receive the bulk of the money his contract promises him. Other players accused of PED use, like Nelson Cruz, have received lengthy contracts later, while still others, like Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire, have returned as coaches. And — as Stark and Sherman both note — MLB’s brutal, travel-heavy schedules motivate players to take PEDs as well.
- Members of the players union are considering increasing penalties for players who test positive for PEDs, writes John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle. Gordon and Colabello “are established guys,” says Athletics closer and player rep Sean Doolittle. “These aren’t guys fighting for a spot or going up and down. These are guys who are hitting over .300. We thought we ratcheted (the drug policy) up enough, and apparently we haven’t.” Doolittle adds that the players are considering ways to steepen the financial penalties for busted players — a player who tests positive might lose his salary for an entire year, for example. Doolittle notes, though, that voiding an entire contract might be problematic, in that such a steep penalty could suddenly give a player’s team an immense amount of money to spend, effectively hurting other teams competing for free agent talent.
- MLB and the players union will have “no choice” but to increase PED penalties in the next collective bargaining agreement, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale writes. Perhaps the penalty for a first offense could increase to a full-season ban, with the second offense earning a lifetime ban, Nightengale suggests.
arc89
I have noticed a change of attitude in today’s players. They do not like the steroid cheaters of the 80s and 90s. It used to be players sided with those caught now they want tougher penalties and more testing. More testing should be done and all testing transparent not covered up by teams and unions.
hoyce
The solution is easy. Keep the suspensions as is. And a + PED is cause for immediate void of any contract.
still the devilrays
Immediately voiding a contract is a bit shortsighted. It gives a lot more power back to owners, creating incentives to try to get out from unfavorable deals, and only really deals with the few ‘bad’ contracts that you quickly think of. Plus, given what Nelson Cruz, Jhonny Peralta, etc signed for as free agents after their suspensions, not as big a deterrent as you would think
dan-9
The problem is that that would incentivize teams to frame their own players if they regret signing them. Do the Angels regret signing Albert Pujols? Spike his drink before he undergoes testing. Boom, they’ve saved themselves $150 million. Will the Mariners be unhappy with the second half of the Cano deal? Try to falsify his test results!
Even if you think it’s farfetched that teams would do that, I guarantee that every high-profile case would create that kind of doubt if a multi-million dollar contract were on the line, and players (and their agents and lawyers) would exploit that doubt, leading to innumerable, interminable court cases. No, voiding contracts might be the fair punishment, but it would not be anything close to a clean solution in practice.
Againigan
what if the team remains on the hook for the term of the contract but the money goes to charity rather than the player or back into the teams pocket.
NL_East_Rivalry
I like that idea, but maybe the player gets half each time
cxcx
But that problem is already there and hasn’t been a problem by any accounts. The Angels could spike Pujols’ drink and save $10m or whatever. The Yankees could spike A-Rod’s and save what like $23m if he’s tested positive before?
ThatGuy 2
Things that will never happens for $1,000 Alex.
wants to be a GM
If players’ contract gets voided or their pay reduced, that would obviously reduce their market value, right? But imagine this happens to some all-star who took PEDs to get to Hall of Fame level and they become a free agent. Since their market value would be decreased, whoever would sign him could get him way cheaper than what he was actually worth. Teams would be scrambling for players such as these, and former PED users would possibly be considered the best free agents to sign.
Of course, this is speculation, and I’m not entirely sure what would happen to a former PED user once he hit the open market. But it’s interesting to think about.
wishesgrantd
I love how much pride players have in the game. They don’t want the game to be tainted by PEDs. This is the only sport I can think of where the PLAYERS are advocating for more PED testing. That makes me happy as a fan that these players are passionate about keeping the game clean.
jd396
Amen. When the fan outrage started to grow, and the owners finally quit looking the other way, for a while the MLBPA was pretty obstinate – because half their freaking members were roiding, I guess! Times have changed, for the better and it’s great to see the union reps of all people publicly upset about it.
cxcx
You’re acting like the players are leading on this issue. This stuff became a problem two decades ago and we’re sitting here today talking about how major changes need to be made. Not sure what kind of leadership that is…
phillies19428
I do think players unknowingly ingest PEDs, whether it be tainted supplements or not checking if the supplement is permitted. I am of the mindset that there should be stiffer penalties with the option of voiding the contract for players who intentionally used PEDs. Implementing a lie detector test would allow this.
I know players are encouraged to save their supplements to be tested if they do take tainted supplements. I’m not sure if those players are suspended, but I don’t think they should be.
If a player is negligent and does not checked the approved supplement list, I think they should still be suspended, but not to the same extent that steroids and HGH users are suspended.
robidebd
I love how the MLB is trying there best to eradicate PEDs and drugs in there sport, and yet the NFL and NBA are doing there best to get rid of penalties in there respective sport!!!
whyhayzee
Players should not get paid but the teams should not get the money back. The money goes right into the drug testing budget of MLB. That’s the only solution that makes sense.
jd396
You know that it’s still a problem when it’s players that are chirping louder than fans about it. The vast majority of players today came into the game after the “classical” steroid era ended and they hate that because of that era, they have to play with PED suspicion hanging over their heads. So when these guys get caught now, they want them to suffer big time.
If it’s MLBPA reps like Doolittle or a few years ago Brad Ziegler publicly complaining, if anyone was going to try to dismiss positive tests as just outliers, and proof the system works, it would be those guys. I imagine that we could see some serious penalties come around in the next CBA – or I guess the separate drug agreement that seems much easier to amend.
I doubt it would go this far but I suspect we could see something along the lines of like an immediate one year suspension as their only chance, or serious contract modification – eliminating guarantees, hacking years off of contracts, maybe even penalties paid somehow off of all future earnings. Something.
jb226
I don’t claim to know the specifics of what Dee Gordon did or did not do or any other player caught using PEDs, but I do think there is a fundamental misunderstanding in many if not most of these cases.
I don’t believe, for example, that Dee Gordon got his contract and then took PEDs, implying he was clean before that. I don’t believe, as Doolittle suggested, that these are “established guys.” I believe they’ve been using to BECOME established guys and only got caught after.
You could make a case that once they became somewhat established–once he got his contract, in Gordon’s case–that that should have stopped and I wouldn’t disagree. That would be the “smart” way to cheat. Yet I think that also provides more evidence for the idea that they’ve been using. Many of these substances have only a day or two day period of detectability. If it’s in these players’ head that they can get away with it, why stop? They may or may not have a contract but there’s always the next one, and it would sure be nice to play as a superstar instead of a borderline roster member while you’re playing too.
Again, I don’t know anybody’s specifics. Maybe Gordon really did only start using this year; maybe Collabello really has no idea how any of this happened. But in bulk, I don’t believe for a second the now-standard non-apology line that “my X previous negative tests prove I am not a user.” They only prove you didn’t get caught yet.
allphilly
Say for a second that Dee Gordon is telling the truth when he says he doesn’t know how he got the steroid into his system. If you’re going to suspend someone for a year or nullify his contract, or even ban him for life, you’d better know that testing is completely infallible. I’ve never heard that the testing process is perfect.
ThatGuy 2
I hate the word PED. It’s lazy. People just assume all substances are created equal, which is stupid. PED is convoluted AF…
Cam
Absolutely right. If people stopped using the blanket term “PED’s” and simply associating them with power hitters, we wouldn’t have a ridiculous amount of articles expressing shock and surprise that a guy who’s 170lbs was caught cheating.
There is a widespread issue in sports, and there are a gazillion substances available for a wide variety of purposes. The sooner we ditch the cliche, the sooner we can see this problem is bigger than imagined, and maybe there will be some pressure to actually do something about it. It’s 2016, appropriate punishments and testing should be far more rigid than what it is.
gobraves46
I get what people mean when they say that “testing is improving” because more people are getting caught, but I can’t help but think the opposite. If the testing was really good, than would/shouldn’t that cause the players to stop taking PEDs in the first place? I get that this is a pretty backwards view, but it’s just hard for me to see people getting caught and suspended for PEDs as a good thing…
Out of place Met fan
I think there needs to be some repercussion to the team signing these guys as well. Like while the player may be forfeiting the salary, how about the team still being on the hook and the money going to little league programs, or camps for the kids that are not able to afford the showcases.And it should still count against the spending limit as well.
mrtplush
…what. What do you want? The teams to babysit them and have a camera attached to them 24/7. These are adults dude. Next time someone murders someone they should go arrest their boss too.
Out of place Met fan
The contracts given out creates an incentive, teams would be less willing to take such risks if there was repurcussion
mrtplush
“This is the single most bizarre case I’ve ever come across, because he tested positive after signing a $50 million contract,” says one team exec.
Ryan Braun tested positive in his mega year right after signing a 5/105mil contract.
Getthekingtotheseriesplz
Once again to me something doesn’t add up. And it’s not even Gordon. It’s Colabello. After watching the interview he had, there is no doubt in my mind he is telling the truth.
He isn’t trying to get public opinion behind him the same way that others have tried, hell I don’t think he cares about it anymore. He says he wants to own up to it but until he can figure out what caused him to test positive, he can’t. That’s his own morals and values he’s speaking to, not the public eye. This is an internal conflict for him, more than a PR problem. If anything his situation worries me because there are plenty of guys that could be in the same boat and do everything correctly and still test positive. Maybe the right course of action is for the MLB to partner with a supplement company to provide teams with supplements that are clean by the MLBs standards. If the issues persist maybe you make harsher penalties but if teams can’t guarantee the supplements they are getting aren’t clean, then the players shouldn’t be the only ones held responsible.
Yes there have been a lot of scum bags in the MLB that have lied about PED use, but that doesn’t mean EVERYONE is. These are upstanding guys in the eyes of their teammates, and I think that should be taken into account before we go on another witch hunt that could hurt guys that didn’t do anything wrong. Guys making 50k a year and suddenly have their dream of playing in the pros ruined.
olds51
Your joking right? It’s the players responsibility to know what they are putting in their bodies. How do you know they are ‘upstanding guys’…because their teammates say they are? Same excuses deviant preacher’s supporters would say when their leader was caught screwing the local hooker. Their ball players not saints. Wake up.
Getthekingtotheseriesplz
Dude it must suck to be as much of a cynic as you seem to be. Going from PED users to Preachers banging hookers is quite the stretch. I never said that they were saints. And yes the team should take some responsibility if Chris Colabello did only take what the team strength training staff sent him. If a team can’t guarantee what they send to players is clean then something needs to be done. Simple as that. And if the players really want a clean game then that is something they should demand of their organizations. Players should be expected to have a home lab kit to check everything they take, especially if it’s supposed to be safe. A minor leaguer can’t afford that.
cxcx
That would indeed be a good demand to make of the league. Though I’m not sure how accurate an at-home kit would be, especially if used by a pro-athlete. Might lead to a bunch is false negatives and players getting suspended as a result. But I know nothing about science and testing so I have no idea.
Getthekingtotheseriesplz
Sorry I meant shouldn’t be expected. Like I said in my next sentence, which honestly made no sense before, the minor leaguers couldn’t afford an at home kit to test supplements they buy. But I think the league does need to make 100% of the supplements that teams buy are safe, which if the Colabello situation is in fact correct, they can’t.
alexmiller6677
I’m on the fringe in that picture other than for the records consideration and the HOF. I really don’t care what these guys do to themselves. Most of them hate life after competitive sports anyways.
They aren’t roll models, you should be your kids role model, and if you suggest otherwise then you are just a lazy parent. They are given a chance to make a whole lot of money guaranteed. Life altering, not just for them, but for all of their families, and the family of their families. I think it’s disingenuous for anyone to suggest that they wouldn’t entertain using steroids if it meant they could make millions of dollars and set their kids up for life. Sure, it’s a choice, but as a father of 2, I’ll take the public shaming, knowing my children can concentrate on what they love and not have to worry about finances for the rest of their days.
This doesn’t mean I condone the activity, it just means I can understand the allure.
davidcoonce74
Hank Aaron and Willie Mays used PEDs. The outrage needs to end.
cxcx
“Doolittle notes, though, that voiding an entire contract might be problematic, in that such a steep penalty could suddenly give a player’s team an immense amount of money to spend, effectively hurting other teams competing for free agent talent.”
Why is Dolittle worried about hurting teams? More teams with money to spend would increase the market for his union’s free agents and drive up the prices they command. Does Dolittle represent the players or the owners?