The loss of A.J. Pollock for what could be the entire season rocked the D-backs late in Spring Training, but while there’s been talk of potentially adding some help from outside the organization, it doesn’t sound as if the Diamondbacks will spend any significant money to make an upgrade in center field, writes Bob McManaman of the Arizona Republic. In fact, GM Dave Stewart tells McManaman that the D-backs aren’t likely to make any significant payroll increases at any point this season.
“We’re not in a position to take on more salary,” Stewart explained. “We are where we are when it comes to salary and taking on more money. We can’t do that.” The D-backs opened the season a payroll just under $100MM — the second-largest Opening Day mark in franchise history. Some fans might wonder, then, whether Stewart would make potential trade deadline upgrades by parting with more young talent, but the GM also downplayed the possibility of further depleting his farm system after already having traded Dansby Swanson, Aaron Blair, Isan Diaz and Touki Toussaint within the past year.
“You can’t sell the organization,” said Stewart. “There have been a lot of organizations that have gone out and thought they were in a position to win and they get rid of prospects, then you look at your minor-league system and all of a sudden you have nothing.” Stewart said he dislikes the notion that he doesn’t care about trading prospects, explaining to McManaman that it was difficult to part with each promising young player he’s traded away.
The actions of the Diamondbacks late in the offseason exemplified those lines of thinking; Arizona only sprung to sign right-hander Tyler Clippard to a two-year deal after saving about $4MM in the trade that sent Diaz, Chase Anderson and high-priced veteran Aaron Hill to the Brewers. And while the club took a long look at signing Howie Kendrick, the D-backs ultimately neglected to commit the money that was necessary or surrender the required draft pick in order to add Kendrick. As Stewart explained to Brett Ballantini in a recent MLBTR interview, the decision not to sign Kendrick, though, was motivated largely by the belief that Chris Owings would rebound after battling through shoulder problems in 2015. Owings, of course, has now been playing some center field in Pollock’s absence.
Circumstances, of course, can change quickly. Stewart also noted to Ballantini in the aforementioned interview that he never dreamed that ownership would give him the green light to pursue Zack Greinke this winter — even as the early stages of free agency began to play out. And, as McManaman’s colleague, Nick Piecoro, explained to Jeff Todd on a recent edition of the MLBTR Podcast, owner Ken Kendrick is typically open to expanding the budget a bit if it appears that the club has a chance to win as the trade deadline nears. That said, it would seem that Stewart is operating under the assumption that he’ll have to ride out the remainder of the season with what the club has in house. A small addition (e.g. Michael Bourn, who would only be owed the pro-rated league minimum if and when he is released by the Braves) still seems plausible even in light of Stewart’s comments, but for the time being it appears that the D-backs’ extravagant dealings will be limited to the right-handers that they acquired this offseason.
socalbum
Put this article along side the earlier article about Dbacks wanting more financial help from County and/or city. Already talking about a new, improved stadium. Pathetic.
chieftoto
He just screwed the Diamondbacks by trading away the farm system… And it isn’t going to pay off. I have said from the beginning; the Diamondbacks are this years version of the Padres last year. But as a Braves fan, thank you for handing us Dansby Swanson, Aaron Blair, and Ender Inciarte, who will be our most valuable trade chip at the trade deadline. You just solidified the fact that the Diamondbacks are going to be bad for a long time.
baseballrat
WOW! Just because YOU said it, that makes it TRUE! Well…. The Dbacks will bad for a long time right with the Braves. I wonder how much help dos he braves get on their new stadium?
chieftoto
No. I’m just stating the facts. The Braves will be able to compete again in 2018/2019 and will continue to compete for a long time after that. The Diamondbacks are going to lose Goldshmidt and Pollock to free agency and are stuck with a big contract with a 32 year old, once good pitcher. The Braves have the second best farm system in baseball, thanks to the stupidity of the D-Backs front office, again thank you for that. While the Diamondbacks have among the worst in baseball. And as long as we are talking about new stadiums, the Braves could build a new, because their LEASE was up. The Diamondbacks have what like 10-15 YEARS left. Chase field is one of the best stadiums in the majors and shouldn’t be thrown to the side any time soon. You, my good, sir brought that point up and I shot it down like a fighter jet. So in three years, I will sit back and watch the Braves win a World Series and also watch the Diamondbacks be the worst team in baseball (and also the worst looking too with their horribly spotted ugly uniforms).
baseballrat
You didn’t answer the question about taxpayer funding. Don’t care WHEN he lease is up. You actually dodged it like Mayweather. 2018-2019, you know you can BUILD a farm system in 2-3yrs, right? BTW… Only 8games played this year so far. Long way to go
chieftoto
I’m not saying the D-Backs are going to be bad this year. They probably will be, but I agree it’s to early. I didn’t dodge the question. All I’m saying is the D-Backs are having the Taxpayers pay $183,000,000 to pay for Chase Field. The Braves have a good deal going with Suntrust and the taxpayers aren’t paying the brunt of it. They will have a lease going through 2035 and they are going to actually use it. But seriously, you keep bringing up stadiums and taxpayers when you should be focusing on the actual BASEBALL TEAM! The Braves are in a much better financial situation than the D-Backs so bite me you moron.
baseballrat
Typically, when someone can’t make a point, they resort to insults. What even makes you think I’m a D-back fan?? The Braves will finish in Last place for the next 3yrs. How do you know how much the taxpayers are paying? I see you didn’t throw out that figure, right?? Braves Duped everyone after they got the stadium agreement, they had a fire sale. Good luck with having Loser for the next 8yrs. Not to mention the plethora of TJ surgeries.
cxcx
Is it just me or is “I’m going to sit back and watch my team win the World Series in three years” like the most depressing comment ever?
Ray Ray
No, the most depressing comment is “I’m sure I won’t be watching my team win the World Series this year OR in three years.” Like we Rockies fans have been saying for a while now.
chieftoto
How? Please explain. I’m sure I’ll be happier living in Braves country while they are actually good, than you will be watching Greinke get payed 25 million at like 39 years old.
kingfrap
Calling Greinke a 32 year old once good pitcher is just ignorant.
chieftoto
I didn’t resort to insults. I just can’t believe you can even attempt to try to tell me the D-Backs are in a better place than the Braves. And do you think the Braves are going to release a figure?!? Nope. Not gonna happen. Neither will the D-Backs. And I just figured you were an Arizona fan because you were supporting them so much. If you aren’t, you desperately need a life. Find a hobby, I don’t know like, badminton. Anyways, I’m done arguing with you, so I’ve said my part, which is obviously right. Good day.
baseballrat
No, I just respond when STUPID braves fans make idiotic comments about other organizations, when theirs is at the BOTTOM. Beside, the Braves have the WORSE fan base in baseball, other than Marlin/Rays. Only good crowds are opening day, Yankees/Red Sox/Card/Cubs, then it’s like an AWAY Game. Look in the mirrors b4 you start talking trash about other franchises.
AshamedMethGoat
Not a Rays fan, but to be fair, their fans don’t turn out for games because the stadium is hard to get to and is an absolute HOLE. They do have some of the best TV ratings in all of baseball, so you can’t lump them into the same category as Braves or Marlins fans.
Deke
Serious question @baseballrat – How do you build a decent farm system in 2-3 years? A team only gets so many draft picks. Do you mean they would spend more money on international signings? Like I said, this is a serious question because a lot of teams (e.g. The Giants) are always accused of having terrible farm systems, but I’m not really sure how someone goes and and improves it so quickly?
baseballrat
The draft is 40 rounds every year, plus international signings. If you have GOOD scouts it’s possible. They obviously traded good prospects, as most people keep saying. How did they get those prospects?? SCOUTING, no osmosis.
chieftoto
All right well sorry to waste your time trying to argue something into your delusional mind, but it was actually kind of fun getting you worked up. Oh and we have the biggest and best fan base in baseball that includes Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, Mississippi, Kentucky, and parts of Florida and Arkansas. So, don’t hate.
chieftoto
And with the whole Greinke thing, I apologize if I came off as ignorant. All I meant was its a little insane to give a guy his age a 7 year contract. Maybe four or five tops. No matter what happens, he WILL regress within the next 2-3 seasons. It happens, it’s life.
Deke
But if it’s that easy, why doesn’t everyone have a kick butt farm system and why do I keep hearing people saying Team X has a terrible farm system?
baseballrat
That’s fine! Too bad they don’t show up at games! I’m looking at the game on tv right now. The crowd is pathetic! Again, it’s like a road game when yanks/sox/cubs/cards come to town. Yet, I’m the delusional one??
baseballrat
Never said it was EZ. I said GOOD scouts. Also, GOOD instructors. Again, they traded good prospects, so it’s possible to get more, right?
chesteraarthur
They won’t have pick 1/1. Unless they totally bomb.
chieftoto
They are in Washington! Hahaha! OMG are you that stupid?? You don’t even know which stadium is which!! So yes, DELUSIONAL!!!!
baseballrat
That’s my point! If their fan base is Sooo strong, why don’t they travel like the teams I mentioned above?? You’re COMICAL!
chieftoto
NO ONE TRAVELS WITH A TEAM!!! THAT IS THE CRAZIEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD!!! YOU CANT BLAME THE BRAVES FOR THE NATIONALS LOW ATTENDANCE!! YOU MIGHT BE THE STUPIDEST PERSON IVE EVER TALKED TO. Good night.
chesteraarthur
If that’s somehow your point, your point sucks.
chieftoto
Me or him?
thecoffinnail
Scouting? Yeah one of those prospects was a #1 overall pick who should have been a #3/#4 overall.. Yeah good scouting there..
baseballrat
Smart guy. I NEVER said travel WITH the team. YOUR’E bragging about the fan base, so why don’t Braves fans come out in DC. Again, what happens when Yanks/Sox/Cubs/Cards come to Turner?? They FILL it up with VISITING fans that are LOUDER than Braves fans. READING is fundamental
baseballrat
One out of How many were 1/1. Didn’t they trade more than ONE prospect? PLEASE tell me how they came about obtaining those prospects to Trade?? SCOUTING
chieftoto
But you did say travel! Reading what YOU said is fundamental! Because there are no Braves fans in DC! And no team does what you say they do. Yanks/Cubs/Cards/Sox don’t fill up the stadium of opposing teams! Do you even watch baseball? Because you have no idea what you are talking about.
baseballrat
Dude, I’ve seen PLENTY of Braves games on TV/In person in MY time! Yanks/Sox/Cards/Cubs might not “Fill Up” Turner Field, BUT they certainly have equal to more fans in the the stadium. Even announcers routinely have mentioned that FACT! I know exactly what I’m talking about. Even when they won 14 str8 division titles they couldn’t even fill up the stadium.
chesteraarthur
1 of 2. Or 3 if you’d like to count touki, who was also a first round pick.
chieftoto
1) why do watch the Braves since you so obviously despise them. 2) They did fill up stadiums back then. 3) Attendance doesn’t decide how great a fan base is, TV viewings does. 4) No one from surrounding states are going to drive 10 hours to go to a baseball game, so that explains the attendance. 5) I’m not disagreeing with you when you say the Braves are terrible. 6) Because of that, we will have the #1 draft pick next year, while this year we will take Pint at #3. 7) The Braves have only $22,000,000 on the books starting the 2019 season. 8) We will use that to be big buyers on that HUGE free agent market that offseason. 9) And our 2019/2020 starting lineup and rotation will look something like this.
1. Smith
2. Albies
3. Swanson
4. Freeman
5. Shwarz
6. Olivera
7. Riley/Maitan
8. Ocuna
9. Pitcher
1. Pint
2. Allard
3. Newcomb
4. Toussaint
5. Jenkins/ Blair
10) And who knows how many other prospects we will trade for or free agents we will sign along the way. That is why the Braves are in a much better position, for the FUTURE, than the D-Backs.
Oh, and you must be like a Phillies or Marlins fan or something, cause you are really jealous of the incredible success of the Braves franchise.
I’m done arguing with your condescending self, so I’m done. You can answer whatever you want, I really couldn’t care less.
baseballrat
I don’t despise the Braves, I just despise the idiotic, glass house Braves fans. The Braves will get better, b/c they brought back Roy Clark
baseballrat
If you think I’m arguing with you, then you really are the FOOL!
charles stevens
The one difference I see between Arizona and San Diego is when Preller reviewed his minor league talent he didn’t like what he saw. He wants to fill the system with his players. He made a bunch of wild moves for veterans with the idea that we might compete for a few years with veterans while he restocked the farm. Obviously it didn’t work at the major league level but he has a plan. I can promise you if you give Preller a few drafts and some international signings the Padres farm will be back better than ever.
Lets step back and understand that Preller is a talent evaluator at heart. If you look at the Rangers farm system he was responsible for 90% of the Latin talent they have. Stewart was a player turned agent. He has zero qualifications to run his team and I don’t think he has any idea how to get the D-backs out of the mess they are in.
We’ll see.
tommyLA
Yes I agree with this Peller statement. He has been extremely successful with international scouting. At this point he gave San Diego the opportunity to win last year and it didn’t work out, he now has the ability to re- establish the farm system and look forward.
In stewards case, he traded his major league and minor league prospects away. He has never had experience as a GM and he out the gate has made some poor choices. The offense is going to be relying on Goldy, if Segura doesn’t pan out he will be released with no trade value. So many negatives to this team, they will be struggling for some time.
baseballrat
Preller, hasn’t had any experience as a GM either and his moves didn’t work. Yet, sounds like you’re making excuses for him and giving him a pass. Why?
charles stevens
I’m explaining the difference between him and Stewart. Fans are under the impression that all of the moves the Padres made last year were with the intention of going all in. That wasn’t the case. Preller decided his farm system sucked and took those assets and turned them into Veteran players with idea of either competing or flipping for players he wanted all while restocking the farm through the draft and international signings.
Like I said Prellar has a plan. Stewart doesn’t have a clue and is trying everything he can to hang onto his job.
baseballrat
Prellers plan so far is Epic fail. He signed, traded for a bunch of guys that couldn’t get it done and still has a couple bad contracts to deal with. He’s in the EXACT same place as Stewart is. 2nd year GM’s that have made questionable moves. PADRES farm system is not much better than D’Backs. I hope both succeed, but to say Preller is that much different than Stewart is questionable.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
My prediction: Diamondbacks will be 84-78 (3rd place). Greinke will have a very good season. Greinke will be top 10 NL pitcher in 2016 and 2017, a top 30 pitcher in 2018 and 2019, and a top 50 pitcher in 2020 through 2022. Diamondbacks paid market for Greinke. Pollock injury hits big, but a healthy Chris Owings and a Tomas breakout year could soften the blow. Goldie is still the best hitter not named Trout, Harper or M. Cabrera. In any given year, he could be better than all. Personally, I thnk if Cueto can regain Cy Young top 3 form, Giants will win it all. I doubt Cueto will be his old self. I like Cubs, Dodgers and Mets as the top teams if Cueto and Shark tank. I oppose taxpayer subsidies for multi-millionaire sports team owners, except in the smallest of percentages of matching monies. Greinke signing is just an ownership judgment call, not good or bad. Trading Swanson and Inciarte for Shelby Miller, now that was a bad call. I have to believe that the Rays, Padres or another team would have given up more for that haul in return.
Gogerty
So Bourn is still a part of the Braves organization? I thought he was, but other commenters have talked about him being gone. Hell I wish they brought him back up as opposed to Mallex Smith, save the kids time and let him polish up.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
They DFAd him. It takes 7-10 days to clear waivers. Which I believe is about up. So essentially he’s cut its just a formality. He probably won’t accept an assignment especially if he could win a job somewhere else. Atlanta is already picking up his salary.
Gogerty
Thank you, I thought that is what the process was. Still don’t know why they don’t just put him in CF, keep Mallex down. Might as well get something out of the $14MM they are spending on Swish and Bourn this year.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Might as well let the young kids play. At some point they have to prove what they can do. It sucks for braves fans but they aren’t going to compete this year. But if they “plan” to compete in 2017 they probably need an idea of what they do and don’t have. You figure Inciarte when comes back healthy is the primary cf so Mallex can then get slowly worked in.
Gogerty
Good call, yeah us Braves fans need to just realize what this season is. Most need to settle down.
HGehlken
according to the Braves transaction page he was released on April 9th
charles stevens
I’m not a D-backs fan. Just observing from a distance. This is purely my opinion.
You traded away a huge chunk of your future. Cheap, young, talented and controllable assets for Shelby Miller??? Then you decide you know what would be a good idea. Lets go give an aging pitcher in Greinke a ridiculous amount of money and years.
Now your future is not looking very bright and you have no money to fill in the gaps.
Stewart has no business being a gm. He is in way over his head.
chieftoto
Completely agree.
charles stevens
One last thing whoever designs Arizona’s uniforms should also be fired immediately. Those pants are absolutely horrid.
chieftoto
Lol couldn’t agree more.
chesteraarthur
All of those are horrid. From their spotted hats down to their spotted pants
kraut 2
So Dave Stewert says:
“We’re not in a position to take on more salary. We are where we are when it comes to salary and taking on more money. We can’t do that”
Yet the Diamondbacks and ownership are now receiving an additional $75+ million dollars annually of new money from the new TV contract, yet the team payroll is staying at the same average ($100 million) that it has been for the last 3 years. PATHETIC!!
And the shenanigans the team ownership (Ken Kendrick and his wife) are doing in the national political scene and stating they don’t care if they loose fans as a repercussion of their actions is a joke too.
Tough to stay a Diamondbacks fan.
Steve Adams
For what it’s worth, the D-backs aren’t making an extra $75MM annually from the TV deal. The average annual value of their new television contract is about $60MM higher than the AAV of their previous contract, but the increase is spread out incrementally over the 15-20 year term of the deal.
That may not alleviate your anger, and I’m not saying it should, but the D-backs aren’t simply pocketing an extra $60M M this season while dedicating roughly the same amount to the roster as in recent seasons.
kraut 2
The deal was for $1.5 billion payed out over the next 20 years.
Ray Ray
Slightly off topic, but I really think I would get tired of typing the name McManaman multiple times simply for proofreading reasons. That is fraught with potential mistakes.
SupremeZeus
Greinke & Miller provide real value, but obviously their cost ($ & prospects) is likely to be crippling to the organization going forward. IMO, the biggest blunder that gets overlooked (and the reason “they aren’t in a position to take on more salary” right now) is the signing of Yasmany Tomas. So far, Tomas appears to be a $69M Dayan Viciedo. Is it reasonable to expect dramatic improvement form Tomas?. I don’t see it. Going forward it could get worse for Tomas, already a below average athlete, he again arrived in poor shape (really broke down in 2nd half last season) and will be an injury risk going forward. I would start Brito over Tomas every chance I get. The Dbacks would be far better off if Inciarte was roaming the Chase Field outfield everyday and never signed Tomas.
Deke
Does Greinke have a no trade clause? He must have, but it the d-backs really start tanking this year I would think they could trade him to a contender for a whole bunch of prospects?
chesteraarthur
They outbid every team for him. Why would a team then turn around and give up prospects when they could have signed him. Unless you are implying the dbacks eat a huge portion of that contract.
Deke
Yeah good point Cam and Chesteraauthur, I didn’t think about that, if someone wanted him they would have just paid that amount of money in the offseason. So yeah eating a bunch of money in order to get prospects back, maybe not going to work. Especially when it would in effect cost them more right, prospects AND the money? Thanks for that, it didn’t even cross my mind.
Cam
Hard for them to do I’d say. Huge financial commitment – the D’Backs would have to eat a chunk of money to get anything in return.
Otherwise, the team taking on that contract – could have just offered it to Greinke in free agency.
AshamedMethGoat
I really believed that the D-backs were roughly an 85-88 win team this year, assuming no major injuries. Of course, every team usually loses a key player (or 3) for varying periods of time during the course of a season, and you would think that D. Stewart would have taken this into account and saved some dough, just in case.
What I didn’t imagine, was that they’d lose a key guy like Pollack for the year, with no way to replace him with a starting-caliber player. This team’s downfall will be that, while they do have some top-shelf players, they’ve got zero depth, and that’s a roster construction flaw that falls directly on Dave Stewart.
I’m not going to get into Grienke’s struggles, because two starts is such a ridiculously SSS. As a Dodgers fan, I’m shocked that Grienke has been this bad, given his elite production over the last few years. He’s too good not to get better, but I’m also wondering if the pressure of that massive contract has, perhaps, brought on another bout of the social anxiety he had early in his career.
In the end, I think AZ will still finish in 3rd place in the NL West, with Giants winning the division, and the Dodgers finishing second…Just as I had it in the preseason.
Deke
You’re right. As they say, you don’t win a WS with 25 players, it takes on average around 36 players to win a WS. The depth issue is vitally important as you point out. Depth to draw from and depth to trade with in order to get key players before the deadline.
charles stevens
My comments about Greinke being a bad signing have nothing to do with his start to the season. I’m sure he will have a good year when all is said and done. I just question the contract they gave him as it affects the longterm ability to be successful.
AshamedMethGoat
I agree, Charles. I was speaking only about this year.
And everyone outside of the AZ fanbase knows that a time to pay the piper was coming in a few years, anyway. A mid-market team like the D-backs simply can’t dole out a $200mm+ contract without significant impact to the team’s overall flexibility and depth.
Teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox can afford these risky deals because they can always go back into their pockets, assuming they are willing to incur the luxury tax. They can afford to take a risk or “miss” on a player. A team like AZ can’t.
That being said, I was fine with the Dodgers spending $150mm or so on resigning Greinke, but very glad they didn’t try to match or exceed the D-backs deal. Yes, you probably get another season or two of elite Grienke, but is it worth paying $64mm for age 36-38 Zack Grienke? (Yes, I’m aware that there’s $62mm in deferrals at $12mm per from 2022-2026, and that those dollars are worth less than today’s, but they still have to pay it,)
chesteraarthur
It’d be one thing to be stuck paying that if they had a bunch of pre arbitration or cheaply extended players to offset the cost during that time frame, but with their farm the way it is, that’s unlikely. So they’re gonna have to likely spend to put talent around him during that time frame. It has seemed like an odd signing since it happened due to the position of the tea,mboth talent and $ wise.
And despite the early poster making it seem like restocking the farm system is just a simple matter, it’s not. Otherwise every team would just be stocked. It will likely be made even more difficult by Arizona finishing middle of the pack the next few years and thus missing out on the top picks and draft budgets that the really bad teams get.