Here’s the latest on Adam LaRoche’s sudden retirement, which stemmed from a dispute between LaRoche and executive vice president Ken Williams over the regular presence of LaRoche’s son in the team’s clubhouse.
- The dispute between various members of the White Sox organization over LaRoche’s son is “one of the most bizarre Spring Training stories in memory,” Bleacher Report’s Scott Miller writes. One anonymous White Sox player tells Miller that he feels obligated to fight for the LaRoches because of his perception that LaRoche was lied to by the organization, and because the organization’s decision regarding LaRoche’s son caused divisions in the clubhouse. Miller also, however, notes that not everyone with the team agreed that LaRoche’s son should have such a continuous presence in the White Sox’ locker room.
- LaRoche’s son was with the team for about 120 games in 2015, writes Bob Nightengale of USA Today. No players or team staffers complained to LaRoche about his son’s presence, but several of them did speak to team management. In response to the complaints, Williams reportedly asked LaRoche to limit his son’s presence in the locker room, but LaRoche kept bringing his son to work each day. Williams then “lost it” and revoked LaRoche’s son’s clubhouse access, then changed his mind went back to requesting to LaRoche that he only bring his son to work about half the time.
- If LaRoche had performed better in Chicago, there would have been no issues regarding his son hanging around the team, Jesse Spector of the Sporting News writes. It’s possible some players or staffers would have complained to management about LaRoche’s son if LaRoche had figured to do be a key player for the Sox in 2016, Spector writes. But management never would have done anything about it. Now, LaRoche’s retirement allows them to save $13MM and move Avisail Garcia to the DH spot, improving their defense.
- Outfielder Adam Eaton and pitcher Mat Latos say the players are ready to put the controversy behind them, reports Colleen Kane of the Chicago Tribune. “Let’s get all of the information out there,” says Eaton. “Let’s let it ride, and not forget about it, but say, ’Hey, there’s where we are.'” Eaton, the White Sox’ player rep, had previously said that he had been in touch with the union about a potential grievance. Latos, meanwhile, says he is used to being around kids at work, thanks to his former manager Dusty Baker and Baker’s famous son Darren. Latos adds, though, that he feels it’s time to move on. “Everybody is talking about it, and it’s kind of blown up to where it has become a distraction,” he says.”We have to focus on baseball, period, and kind of let this die down.”
kbarr888
Simple solution here folks. MLB should step in and “Lay Down The Law”
Team signed him to a contract with language in it allowing his son in the clubhouse. Now they want to change that agreement. Both sides need to agree if they are going to do that……………so………
Let Adam Retire, but pay him his $13 million. Sorry White Sox, but You Lose this one! Next time, don’t sign an agreement that you aren’t willing to honor…..end of story.
markinmi
I could be wrong but last i heard there wasn’t language in the contract about his son’s access to the clubhouse
Skip Church
Agreement regarding his son coming to work was verbal. Not part of the written contract. If it were there would be no discussion.
kbarr888
I guess there’s conflicting information here. Not sure which set of facts is correct, and my point was based on the fact that there was language in the contract, and that the White Sox wanted to change that. I just think the team needs to compensate him because they are the ones who want to “change the arrangement”…..whether it is written or verbal…….(it’s still an agreement)
Mark 21
Your facts are wrong. No written agreement and a organization that pays you 13 million a year has every right to do what ever it needs to get you back into being a productive player and getting the team to at least a 500 team and if that means putting new policies in place then that is what needs to happen. Sorry Adam got butt hurt but changes needed to happen.
kbarr888
Got proof of what you state? I’ve heard both sides of this with no confirmation which one is true. If it’s in the contract, the white sox are jammed up.
Mark 21
Adam himself said it was a verbal agreement and that nothing in writing was ever done.
gwell55
Actually Chris Sale said it best… KW lied to everyone according to him. he “told players the coaches complained about Drake, told coaches the players complained. ‘Then he came in here, said it was from owner'”
Also said: “This isn’t us rebelling against rules. This is us rebelling against BS.””
And then Sale was quoted as saying : “Lying. We got bold faced lied to by someone we were supposed to trust.” and Sale: ‘We were a steam engine going ahead and kind of derailed it. There was absolutely no problem in here & [KW] kind of created a problem’.
Now I’m not a white sox fan but it seems to me that If KW isn’t fired Chris Sale is going to be asking or even demanding to be traded because he admitted he thinks nothing of KW.
Also, Seems like the other teams have no problem with the players kids being in the clubhouse and even on the practice field shagging balls and even taking some batting if that is open. Heck Dave Dombrowski (Redsox President of BB ops) said his boy is in those positions a lot (both with Detroit and now the Sox) and he says the players boys are OK on the grounds, he even encourages it as long as they stay behind the scenes and the players working come first.
dylan1523
Just admit you’re wrong and don’t know what you’re talking about. If it was in the contract this wouldn’t even be a story.
pullhitter445
Gwell55 Kenny Williams won’t get fired in almost certain of that. Notably in the past he has had riffs with HOF frank Thomas, World Series winning coach Ozzie guillen just to name a few. Who won those battles? Kenny did, as a white sox fan I can’t stand Kenny Williams. In his defense he backed people in the organization who had an issue with drake laroche being in the locker room. Where the white sox failed is to keep as much of this in house as possible. Never have I seen such a bad MLB player in laroche cause such a stir. Doesn’t his family value education? Does his son have a social life, any friends? Drakes 14 years old don’t get me wrong it would be a blast to be around a professional organization but I’d like to do kid things that you don’t get to do at the ball park. Sorry got off topic for a second but this situation is beyond dragged out and stupid. Let’s just get back to playing baseball.
Samuel
Not being there but looking at how things unfolded, I’d speculate this way……
In the contract discussions LaRoche asked if his son could be in the clubhouse. The Sox very probably told him sure, as long as the boy’s being there did not cause a problem. Then some players complained to management as one or more players going against LaRoche would have split the clubhouse into factions.
My guess all along is that some players were going home to sons that were nagging them and their wives as to how come they couldn’t hang around the clubhouse and field all day like Drake, and how come they didn’t get a uniform and locker like Drake. That sort of thing happens every day with kids…..ask any parent or teacher.
The fault lies with the management allowing this. All MLB terms will be dialing this stuff back.
Mark 21
I heard the Red Sox made this a rule in there club house fallowing this incident. Of course some people on this site thing the Red Sox would never put family over there own performance LOL..
drbnic
Even if it was verbal, the team and Williams should be as good as their word. If you can’t trust what management says then it time to find another team in my opinion.
TonytheKeg
Simple solution is that you should stop bothering us with your ignorance kbarr. It’s obvious that the truth doesn’t matter to you, sorta like the spoiled prima donna Sale. Go back to your community organizing or other worthless activites so you can fantasize about what was in the contract. The silence from the thugs at MLBPA is deafening, isn’t it? Again, just do us all a favor and go away, or at the very least, keep your braindead thoughts to yourself. What a dipshit you truly are.
aggee10
He choose to retire, they didn’t fire him. It was he’s decision to walk away from 13 mil. The white sox owe him nothing. If you read the article there where players who complained about his son being there, and adam”s lack of performance. He’s son is 14 yes old, why is a 14 yr old going to baseball games instead of being in school?
kbarr888
adrian……ever hear of “Home Schooling”?……It’s become a very popular option for people who have a challenging work schedule or have to travel a lot. Home schooling typically takes about 3 hours a day instead of the typical 7-8 in public schools.
If his contract actually did have language in it regarding his son being in the clubhouse, the team will be liable for attempting t alter that agreement without LaRoche’s consent. If there’s no language in the contract, it’s a different situation. I’ve heard both scenarios…..not sure which one is correct…..but we’ll know eventually.
aggee10
Ever heard of the effects that home schooling have on children? His son doesn’t need to be home schooled, he chose to do that bc he wants to be with son.
metsoptimist
The only one who has said that the provision was written into the contract is Adam Eaton; even LaRoche hasn’t claimed that.
metsoptimist
“He chose to retire…”
Exactly.
olds51
There is no such contract between LaRoche and the Sox. What are the head of Local 651?
enriquepollzzo
Absolutely not he shouldnt get a dime
pullhitter445
Kbarr88 there was a handshake agreement that laroche could have son with him, nothing in his contract stated this. Get your facts straight before you speak out on something. Ignorance is bliss. Laroche quit forfeiting $13MM the white sox owe him nothing. For the record the white sox are very family friendly, Jerry reinsdorf is loyal to a flaw with taking care of ex players and his close friends.
wsoxfan
From everything that I’ve read, the sox agreed to have Drake present in the clubhouse every day. I think they would be right in assuming that meant the sox club house, but he flew on the team charter to half the away games. Present means he’s there, it doesn’t mean that they agreed to let him participate in drills with the team. I think that the sox were right to tell him that he needed to scale back. Laroche took a yes to one thing and turned it I to a yes to whatever he wanted. He put himself and what he wanted above the team. That is to single biggest crime in team sports. Baseball is an emotional game. I’m certain that there were players who felt that they could not be themselves in the locker room with the constant presence of a child. I think that the sox are blameless and that Laroche is a selfish player that the sox are better off without.
markinmi
I think LaRoche thought his retirement would hurt the White Sox and make them change their stance when in fact it gets them out of a horrible contract. With him taking his ball and going home the Sox now have $13M to play with at the deadline. There were various reports a few months ago that Chicago was trying to move his contract… Well now that contract is gone. One question I have that i haven’t seen answered before… The kid is 14 yrs old, why isn’t he in school instead of riding daddy’s coat tails at work every day?
oprahjimfrey
He is home schooled. I bet CHW is glad to be rid of his bad contract. LaRoche has been garbage for a couple years now.
aff10
I’ve heard that his son goes to school in the winter and is homeschooled during the season, so the school board clearly has agreed to this arrangement. IMHO, I disagree with Laroche’s decision to bring his son to work daily, but his son seems to have not had much difficulty passing the required tests of the state, and I’m not sure it’s my place to judge his choices as a father. I understand those who sympathize with the CWS in this case, but those who are bashing him as a father seem to be going over the line
southsidesox 2
I only bash him for throwing his son in the national spotlight. Who are we kidding. His son was not the only reason, and maybe not the main reason why he retired. If he was younger, had a better year last year, would he still be retiring? I understand maybe the request wouldn’t be made, but that goes back to baseball being a business. The white sox had every right to address any issues they felt affected laroche’s performance or bothered other players.
kbarr888
Agree 100%…….Home schooling is a perfectly acceptable option (and sometimes a better option), provided the kid can pass the required tests each year.
kbarr888
Hate that there’s no Edit Button…….I agree with aff10………
aggee10
Thank you I said the same thing!!!
stymeedone
I think it was a simple case of him no longer wishing to work for an organization that lied to him. Lucky for him, he was financially able to simply walk away.
I would hope that Williams was aware of the conversations that went on during the recruitment of LaRoche to the White Sox. If he was aware, he was in the wrong to usurp the authority of Hahn and Ventura. Their word should count too. If he was not aware of the promises, that would show a problem in the communications of Williams’ front office and still reflect poorly on his management skills. If he was not aware of Drake’s presence during LaRoche’s time with the Nationals, it would again reflect poorly on his management skills, because they didn’t do their homework before making an investment in one of their players.
Its time for the White Sox to find a replacement for Williams. I wonder if LaRoche might like a job in the front office.
Samuel
I think it’s pretty clear that players went to management to complain. And Williams has stated that he elected to be the bad guy to talk to LaRoche rather then stick this on a first-time GM and manager. Keep in mind that the owner said he’d like to talk to the players individually. Those meetings started today, and no player has complained publicly – instead they said they’d like to put this behind them. I’d guess Mr. Reisendorf had to tell some of them who it was that complained about the constant presence of the boy, and how they and the organization hoped to keep that in-house without causing disruption between players on the roster. Unfortunately that tactic did not work, as some players reacted the way the aggravated players that made the complaints knew they would.
I’m not a fan of Kenny Williams. But I admire him for doing the dirty work and taking the nonsensical slings from players and fans.
westcoastwhitesox
Samual, I agree with you about KW. I really really dislike his work with the White Sox–kinda hated him–but I’m so impressed that he stood directly in front of the media and employees to make a controversial business decision about this awkward and crazy situation. That’s kinda impressive, but whats amazing is that the sox get out of LaRoche’s contract, and the team doesn’t have to play him at all in 2016….KW looks pretty smart to me right now.
grumpiergrunt
I was very much in favor of Laroche’s point of view but 120 games is a bit excessive. It gives off the impression that he was a little too concerned about being with his son rather than his performance. Being a MLB player does not trump being a good dad but it’s more of a family/work balance that comes with any job.
theo2016
Thats roughly half the road games assuming hes at all home games. Seems more logical to maybe take him on a few road trips every year so he gets to see all the ballparks. But he basically went to as many games as laroche played.
southsidesox 2
Laroche was looking for an excuse to retire. Him using his son and putting him in the national spotlight is pathetic. Laroche is 36 on the decline and set to lose playing time and no team was willing to take him off the sox hands, even with the sox picking up most of the money. It was not an unreasonable request to dial it back. There are many factors as to why the kid being there an excessive amount of the time is bad. Its a business at the end of the day. All the players coming to laroches defense are idiots for saying its a family game blah blah blah. If it was why do you get paid millions and most people cant go as a family and see you guys play. Over prized food and drink. Over prized tickets. Its pathetic.
southsidesox 2
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aff10
I find it hard to believe that this was an excuse. If he truly wanted to retire, why not do so over the offseason and negotiate a minor buyout with Chicago, like Cuddyer did with New York. This is completely about his son IMO
southsidesox 2
So you believe that he would be retiring if he was younger and had a good season last year? I mean maybe he still does, but even then imo it was not unreasonable to ask him to dial it back. For his teamates or management. I believe not every player liked the kid being there everyday.
stymeedone
No one knows what he would do, or the White Sox would do, under the hypothetical conditions you applied. If he was younger, he would be poorer, and possibly not able to walk away. He may have decided to fight by filing a grievance and dragging this out into the season. This is simply a case of an organization (thru Williams) going back on its word. If you wish to question that word being given, without regard to how the other members of the team would feel about it, that again would be on Williams and White Sox front office. Once it was promised, they needed to stand behind their word.
jd396
It’s not really going back on your word to say, “I know we said we said you could bring him in whenever you wanted, and we like having him around, but some of the guys have talked to me and they’re really not comfortable with the amount of time he spends around here.”
If we’re going to characterize it as KW going back on his word, basically we also have to characterize it as LaRoche giving his teammates the finger and leaving.
That said, I’ve never liked KW. He’s always struck me as a pompous jerk, when the only thing he’s ever done right is assemble a bunch of cast-off relievers who in a stroke of blind luck all had ridiculously good seasons at the same time in 2005, and since then he’s been Reinsdorf’s golden boy. To see something this inconsequential blow up in his face is entertaining.
Dock_Elvis
LaRoche wanted a few last trips around the league on the company dime with his son. KW became the fall guy reminder that there’s work to do. No contract either verbal or written would ever allow full access to a team for children, without the team being able to remedy the abuse of the terms. The only person who likely gets full access is Jerry Reinsforf…and I’m guessing even HE has the ability to know where and when he is not best served appearing.
TonytheKeg
ttt
retirement13
A little disappointed in Chris Sale in all of this one. He publicly calls Kenny Williams a liar? There are better ways for him to handle the situation. He has a few things to learn.
Also, Adam Eaton, he stated the Sox, “lost a leader” in the young LaRoche. Is he serious?
bruinsfan94 2
Lots of teams have mascot like people on board. Maybe Eaton felt like Drake brought good vibes. Why are you disappointed in Sale? If Williams is a liar he is a lair. I’d love to have a man like Chris Sale on my team who stands up for his friends and what he believes in.
Samuel
What if Chris Sale is wrong?
retirement13
Just disappointed he was not a bit more professional in his comments. The fact that he stood up for a teammate is commendable,
westcoastwhitesox
Amen. Really good to see the passion for team chemistry, but he sounds like a high school kid in all his public comments about this. Sale still is kinda a kid, but if he is putting his standing with management on the line for an anti-education zealot like LaRoche who makes the team worse whenever he plays….maybe Sale isn’t a very smart guy either.
Priggs89
I agree with you 100% on Sale. He has handled this like garbage imo.
And Eaton is an idiot, everyone knows that.
stymeedone
I believe he called Williams a liar behind closed doors.
Logan10braves
I think the White Sox front office knew that if they told LaRoche to stop bringing his son, he would retire and they wouldn’t have to pay him his 2016 salary. That’s just my opinion though.
jd396
It wasn’t LaRoche’s intent to be a problem, and I doubt anyone on the team didn’t want his kid NEVER in the clubhouse. But, 120 games last year? Having him suited up like a mini-player out doing drills all the time? That’s excessive. It seems like it’s been pretty well established that players complained about it, direct to management and not to LaRoche. Why? Probably because they do like the kid and don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings, but they didn’t feel like it made for the kind of environment you need on a successful professional baseball team.
Regardless of the statement LaRoche issued that’s in a previous post, his “take my ball (or son) and go home” really is disrespectful to his teammates. It definitely gives off the impression he was only really playing to show his kid the major league lifestyle, and wasn’t particularly concerned with the aspect of being a professional baseball player anymore — like it became about the perks, and to heck with his -1.4 fWAR or the team playing 10 games under.
jd396
“…didn’t want his kid NEVER in the clubhouse”
More like “…didn’t want his kid to EVER be in the clubhouse”
I’m Edit Button and I approved this message
westcoastwhitesox
😀 Great post.
NJSteel
A guy who hit approx .200 retired. Who cares? If he hit .300 the kid would be allowed in the clubhouse. That’s how the world works.
NJSteel
Player past his prime retired. Who cares!
sportscoach
People forget his Dad played and he probably grew up similar to the way he is raising his son. His son has been hanging out in the clubhouse since he was little and a lot of players have their kids visit often. Its more common than people know especially for a second generation Major League player
basquiat
How many kids have their own locker? It would be nice if some reporter did some investigative work on this to find out how common it is, how many kids are there almost every game of the season. I realize sites like this survive on clicks, but a little research and work would give the story some perspective. Collecting a lot of quotes isn’t research.
Priggs89
Didn’t his dad stop playing when he was like 4 years old? Or did I mishear that somewhere?
baseball76guy
What work allows you to bring in your kids to work everyday ? Exactly ! None.
Adam LaRoche probably didn’t want to pay a baby sitter.
But really. The kid is hanging out with grown men. The players don’t want the kid in the clubhouse. The players are in there drinking and messing around. Why would you want a kid next to you while your taking a shower.
There’s a time and place to bring in your kids. I honestly wouldn’t want to see my co worker kids at work. Is bad enough some of my co worker kids work there to!
Grow up Adam. You actually did your team a favor by leaving. Bye bye. You won’t be miss
RoyalRich
A couple of things.
Why do people keep going on about this being a contractual agreeement? There was no contractual agreement. Even Adam himself said it was a verbal agreement, something he asked about in negotiations and the White Sox were kind enough to make concessions to him. It wasn’t in his contract, so just stop.
And second, it’s getting pretty interesting that the more information on this comes out the worse Adam looks. At first he said nobody complained. Well by all accounts several people did complain and he was told about it and asked to limit access and decided that he didn’t have to do that so then was told that Drake was no longer to be brought…. and then of course he threw a little hissy fit about that.
So for everyone sticking up for Adam and saying what a great guy and what a great father he is…. eh, maybe not. I’m still of the mind that him thinking he was someone special and that he could bring his kid daily while others did not… all the while leaving his daughter at home anyway… doesn’t make him a really great person in my book.
I’m not a White Sox fan, but I can’t imagine that most of their fans are missing him anyway and are probably pretty glad he’s gone. Sounds like the clubhouse will be a better place for it as well.
metsoptimist
Don’t take this as my being in LaRoche’s “camp,” because I agree with what Kenny Williams did, except if he didn’t speak to Robin and Rick Hahn before acting, but nothing I’ve read– and I’ve read a LOT– has said that LaRoche was told of players’ complaints.
I also have been bothered that LaRoche’s daughter has not been afforded the same opportunity as her brother; this article (post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2016/03/20/Ron-Co…) claims that LaRoche couldn’t bring her to work, but I don’t see why that would have been the case.
jtt11 2
Well I can think of one reason why laroche’s daughter wasn’t afforded the same opportunities as drake….. Because she is a girl. A club house is still a locker room.. Players shower – dongs flop freely in the breeze. I can’t imagine any father wanting to put their young daughter in a situation where she can see 25 grown man dongs.
Imagine is Ricky Henderson was still playing. Before games he would stand naked on the bench swinging a bat and say to himself “Ricky is the best”. Heck, hunter pence chased teammates around the club house naked – he wound up on the dl a few years back because he fell through a glass door while doing just that.
I imagine you probably didn’t think about that aspect.
jd396
I can’t imagine putting a 14-year-old son in a room full of dongs flopping freely in the breeze, either.
metsoptimist
I did think about the nudity aspect, jtt11, and, as JD396 alluded to, it doesn’t seem appropriate for a teenage boy to be around a group of naked men, either. It’s been reported that the players toned down their behavior around Drake; why couldn’t they also have made concessions to accommodate LaRoche’s daughter?
jd396
For what it’s worth, Dave LaRoche only PLAYED until Adam was 4. The idea that he’s simulating his own childhood is bull. He may have been around the clubhouse as a COACH’s kid but that’s way the heck different than a player’s kid having his own locker.
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