The Padres benefited from the qualifying offer system this winter, writes Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune. When Justin Upton and Ian Kennedy declined their qualifying offers, it earned the Friars the 25th and 26th picks in the next amateur draft. The experiences of players like Ian Desmond and Dexter Fowler have led many to expect sweeping changes in the next collective bargaining agreement. While visiting the Padres camp today, MLBPA chief Tony Clark cautioned that changes would be “wrapped in together” with revenue sharing, service time, the luxury tax, and other factors. As Clark explains, it’s not useful to look at items individually when the entire agreement should work in concert. Clark is also expected to visit the Indians today, tweets Paul Hoynes of Cleveland.com.
- The 2015-2016 offseason was the winter of the opt-out. Don’t count on the Blue Jays to join the trend, writes Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet.ca. Per team president Mark Shapiro said: “In some ways they’re just another form of a player option which I think are ridiculous. You’ll never see us do a player option.” Shapiro does allow that there are circumstances where an opt out can make sense. In other words, he’s not as firmly against them as player options. While an anti-opt out stance eliminates many top free agents, the Blue Jays typically play in the bargain end of the pool.
- The Athletics have accrued solid prospect depth, but GM Billy Beane doesn’t intend to trade them for short term upgrades, writes Joe Stiglich of CSN Bay Area. Players such as Matt Chapman, Franklin Barreto, and Sean Manaea may soon be cornerstones of the major league roster. While Beane dealt quality prospects for players like Jeff Samardzija, Jon Lester, and Ben Zobrist in recent seasons, the club is more focused on developing long term talent at the moment.
Since the jays are mentioned
Jays 150-12
Yankees 130-32
Rays 125-37
Orioles 102-60
Red Sox 30-132
We all know who’s coming
Hahahahahah. I’m waiting for it. Do you guys really think the redsox will do that well?
They’ll finish around 75 wins in my opinion. That one guy thinks they’ll go 162-0 though, and they are “his sox.”
And you losers are now trolling these comments sections and making them unreadable with your worthless troll bait posts instead of talking baseball, which he actually does. You all need to stop posting here, you are ruining these comments sections.
Either talk baseball, or get lost. If you care about one homer poster who actually talks baseball more than you to the point where you are going to make these dumb off-topic threads, then YOU are way more of a problem than he is and you all need to get banned.
What’s so different about that and you always finding a weird reason to post that you hate the Cardinals and/or their fans. Maybe you should take your own advice with “either talk baseball or get lost”
Your reputation isn’t the best for sticking to baseball.
What are you, his mom? Obviously you haven’t seen enough of his posts to know what you’re defending. Even Red Sox fans have said they find him embarrassing. Why would they say that if he was “just a homer talking baseball”?
What’s the guys mlbtr commenting username? Most Red Sox fans comment in the way he is described just maybe not to the same level so idk which one he is (I have some ideas).
His name is “bigpapi4ever.”
And he isn’t doing anything wrong other than saying “My Sox” because he actually does talk baseball, which is more than all these other losers are doing.
I hate this bullying going on, its really pathetic. Ganging up on people is for dudes with small weiners.
True, but Red Sox homer posters have been annoying for as long as I have been reading mlbtr. I also agree though that these other readers should read the mlbtr commenting policy.
So according to u the 102 win Orioles would be left out of the postseason
No mlb steps in and sends them to the nl wildcard since they won so many
Perhaps you are underselling my Cubs. With the A+++++++++ offseason they had, plus the breakout year future HOF players such as Schwarber, Soler, and Baez will surely have I am positive my Cubs will go undefeated this year in the regular season.. I like the Jays in the AL East but they will lose the World Series 4 games to 1 to my Cubs but will hand my Cubs their only loss of the year.
I think that better represents his posts just substitute “Cubs” for “Sox”. and this being an article involving NL West teams.
I know he deserves it, but when has a fourth outfielder ever gotten into the HOF. With that said I would love to have Soler’s babies.
I know it is wishful thinking and will never happen, but I wish they would get some game theory people to write the rules instead of a group of lawyers. The mistakes these guys make are amateurish, and, to be brutally honest, unforgivably naive. They need some actual designers to design the rules, not a group of baseball players and lawyers. The people they have at the helm simply aren’t competent in this field. MLB is a multi billion dollar industry, surely they can hire a team of designers to write the rule changes so they don’t horribly backfire in ways that everyone who works in design could predict with absolute certainty.
This Qualifying Offer system is the rule design equivalent of the 2012 London Olympics logo: A disaster that everyone spotted immediately, but the people in charge used it anyway.
So the old A/B system was awesome?
Law of unintended consequences. There is no perfect rule. We are simply in a time where prospects are extremely valued (Probably overvalued) and the QO will be tweaked accordingly.
………………… How could you possibly derive that interpretation from what I said?
No, it isn’t the “law of unintended consequences”, It is, in fact, the “law of people who have no experience in design trying to design something.”
Let the baseball players play baseball, the lawyers play law, and the designers design.
The QO system is miles ahead of where we were 5 years ago. I don’t really think it’s a bad system, but it could use some tweaking.
I think if the QO was adjusted to where you could accept it a month or so into the off-season, it would work better for the players.
That would prevent teams from bidding on the best possible replacement. Whether it’s because they might get stuck with two players for the same position, or get stuck with a 15 MM contract that they hadn’t budgeted for, it would handcuff the majority of teams. Houston probably would have spent money getting an outfielder to replace Rasmus. Surprise, Rasmus accepts. Budget now doesn’t have enough to sign a Sipp or a Fister.
just a blunder by Astros almost as bad as QO to Weiters. Astros have plenty of OF. To protect against the owners stupidity maybe they should have two levels of QO. Weiters and Rasmus would be level 2. Bautista would be a level 1. A level 1 loss gets you a first round draft pick, A level 2 loss gets you a second round draft pick. The level 2 QO would be worth 2/3 of the level 1. So a level 1 QO would be 15 million and a level 2 10 million.
I think the QO works. Just needs a couple of adjustments. My thought was there are multiple QO a team could offer a player. Say a 4 year QO gives up a first round pick, a 2 year QO gives up a second round pick and a 1 year gives up at third round. I can’t think of a better way to tweak it. Greinke shouldn’t be valued the same as Gallardo. Greinke would of declined the 4 year, and Gallardo wouldn’t have ever been offered it.
The CBA is a series of compromises that ends up as a Rube Goldberg contraption. It’s inefficient and occasionally has unintended consequences that tend to impact specific players or teams. But to have game theory experts design it would imply the players and the owners could agree on end goals. That is highly unlikely, given the multiple special interests. Remember there are not only labor vs. capital disagreements, but also allocation of revenue and other preferences vertically between teams, and amongst players.
I’ve designed games since 1999, I have a lot of experience working with hostile factions doing so, having groups that held deep seated animosity towards one another come together to build a functional rule set. Trust me, someone with experience could get the job done. This past CBA was amateurish, and I don’t understand the need that certain people have of defending it. It clearly backfired, and it backfired in exactly the way everyone knew it would backfire. It was terrible design.
Sitting around and saying “there are a lot of moving parts” is ridiculous. So what if there were moving parts? The Apollo rockets had a lot of moving parts, too. Somehow Neil Armstrong landed on the moon instead of blowing up on the launch pad. Having a lot of moving parts is no excuse to make amateur mistakes. Let professionals do their job. The issue here isn’t complexity, the issue is having people trying to do jobs they are not qualified to perform, and failing miserably. Just hire a real designer and they will figure it out, I guarantee it.
No one here is saying the CBA is a good one-in fact, you will find a consistent theme amongst the comments that people recognize its shortcomings. My point was simply that any agreement involves a balancing of interests, and unlike a more traditional collective bargaining agreement that sets work conditions/salaries/benefits across the entire spectrum with a single employer, you have multi-tiered interests among players and among more than thirty owners. Everything has an impact–differences between players based on talent, age, arbitration eligibility, and years of team control. And differences among the owners by virtue of revenue streams, local advertising opportunities, value of franchises, financial stability, willingness to be non-competitive, and taxpayer subsidies, just to name a few.
My point is the same–I don’t believe that every constituency would agree to outsource bargaining to a third party with a confidence that their interests would be represented well. Those constituencies do not necessarily have an interest in making the CBA some ideal–rather they want to maximize their return.
Now, since you seem to have a dismissive approach to anyone who doesn’t agree, and you say you have a lot of experience in working with hostile factions since 1999, I have to ask you a simple question:
Is your opening gambit always to insult the views of everyone at the table?
>Now, since you seem to have a dismissive approach to anyone who doesn’t agree, and you say you have a lot of experience in working with hostile factions since 1999, I have to ask you a simple question:
>Is your opening gambit always to insult the views of everyone at the table?
The irony is palpable.
Matt Chapman was making gold glove-caliber plays at 3B today, he looks ready.
Opt out clauses are going to be a big part of future MLB deals, teams are going to have to give them out or be alright with not signing the top free agents. Glad my Sox stepped up to the plate and got their ace in Price, Jays are going to miss him BIG TIME.
Yeah, since the Jays had Price for years and years.
What did the Jays do for years and years before they had price? Oh right, miss the playoffs. What did the Jays do last year before that got Price? Oh right, play right around .500 ball. The Jays haven’t made he playoffs without price since the early 90’s. Like I said, they are going to miss him big time.
I see now you’re starting to have a bad attitude too, with your posts. Man, it just gets worse and worse with you.
Anyways, relating to your comment, since you want to talk about how the Jays have done in past years, why don’t you inform us of how “your Sox” have done in 3 of the past 4 years? But it’s okay right? Because they’re gonna win 102 games this year, correct? I hate to be the guy that always calls you out, but for real, you are making a lot of good commenters on this website upset with your biased and sometimes ridiculous comments.
You cowards are ganging up on one guy and its even more pathetic than just letting him be a homer. Worst part is, I agree with him more than I’d rather see your pathetic troll-bait posts. The Jays ARE going to miss Price and it was huge for Boston to get him, he has destroyed hitters in Fenway his entire career. He’s probably going to get a couple more Cy Young awards now.
Last time I checked, The Red Sox made the same amount of playoff appearances as the Jays since 2010.
Really dude? Last time I checked, Boston had made 7 playoff appearances in 13 years and the Jays 1 in 22.
You guys are all losers for doing this to this guy, Grow up.
And how many players were on the Sox in 2009 that are still there? 3?
If bigpapi is gonna say that the Jays didn’t make the playoffs in 1994-2014 because they didn’t have David Price, its the same principal.
I can sit here and say that the Phillies are better than the Pirates because they’ve made more playoffs since 1991. Thats the logic that he is using. Price makes the Sox better than the Jays because the Jays didn’t make the playoffs until they had Price is what hes saying.
I’m not ganging up on him. I’m just arguing, in terms of baseball, what hes saying, because more than 80% of what he is saying is wrong.
Dude please just go away. If you’re really some 16 year old kid who’s mommy just now “allowed” him to start posting, everyone can see why. The Jays made a great run because they acquired Price, and oh idk, Tulo. The Red Sox aren’t “yours”, you do not own them. It is “they”. Please stop being such a homer, and commenting on EVERY post on here whether it’s Boston related or not. Or, just go away. I beg of you. #Trynottosuck
I’d prefer not to argue, but Just Another Fan, you’re always quick to defend bigpapi no matter what, which is respectable, but it is quite “pathetic” (taking a page out of your book) when you defend his rude and/or ridiculous comments. So please, could you and bigpapi literally just calm down.
It’s very difficult to not get rude when people troll you constantly.
Please, everyone just talk about baseball. Spin it any way you want, but stop these ridiculous “Oooh I cant wait for you know who!!!” posts that are not about baseball.
It’s not the same principal in the slightest and you know it. You are being incredibly asinine on this. Not one thing you are talking about makes sense and is entirely wrong. You cherry picked one sample period to make Boston look bad.
FACT: Price played a massive part of the Jays making the playoffs, and they aren’t going to make them without him. I don’t see Toronto as a playoff team and I see Boston making it this year. He’s right, Price is huge, he’s one of the best and arguably the best pitcher in baseball outside of Kershaw.
I think the Jays have a very good chance to win the AL East, much better than my Tigers of winning the AL Central which is a real puzzle. Jays have some good young arms starting and in the bullpen.
bigpapi4ever did the same thing though. I literally said that just for the sake of being ironic, so please stop getting on everyone’s case. You act as if we are all victimizing him or something when he is the one posting comments that have a combo of unnecessary Red Sox bias, unnecessary AL East division hate (other than the sox), etc. I honestly don’t want to argue at all, I’m just replying so you can see my point. I rest my case.
Who cares if the Jays dont have Price, at least we have a semi-average rotation after Stroman an Estrada. Unlike Boston who basically just had a pile of crap as a rotation and to fix it just put a diamond on top of that pile of crap
Eduardo Rodriguez, Rick Porcello & Clay Buccholz are better than any Jays starter not named Stroman.
Estrada? lol that guys a journeyman.
Red Sox need Rodriguez real bad. If he is out for six weeks or longer that is going to be a real problem.
Lol no
I don’t mean to be picky, but the A’s didn’t give up prospects for Jon Lester
Cespedes was a post-prospect! Ha.
I love when people try and pigeonhole Beane when he’s the most unpredictable team-runner in pro sports. He has traded stars for prospects, prospects for stars and stars for stars.
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Hey bigpapiforever what’s David price done in the playoffs????? He will choke again just like he always does panda will hit 220 and gain 30 pounds Hanley will break a finger nail and be on the DL for 3 months. Starters ERA outside of price will be 4.00 plus. Kimbrel is a stud just cause he played for “my braves”
cool trolling wil1447, you need to get banned for posts like this.
I’m sorry, but you’re all being trolls. For god’s sake he’s a sixteen year old who’s passionate about baseball and passionate about his team. Baseball as a whole needs more kids like him. Yeah, sometimes his comments get annoying when they don’t relate to the initial article, but cut him a break. While he often does often overestimate the Red Sox, he knows a lot about baseball and what he has to say is just as valid and knowledgable as the rest of us.
Exactly.
Remember when we werent allowed to not do anything but talk baseball and not allowed to attack each other personally? Why did MLBTR change to this horrible commenting format? The old one was way better.
I agree. I think we should remember we were probably at least somewhat like him at that age, and I agree we need more young people having passion about their favorite team. He does show a commendable passion for his team, even if a bit overdone..
I come in here to read a Padres-related article and the comment section is filled with 85% ridiculousness and some sort of spam post about purchasing Nike shoes at the end…
Back on topic, the qualifying offer system does have it flaws, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they make changes to it with the next CBA. I’m also interested to see if they really do end up adding the DH to the NL.
Hey don’t look at me, I came in here and tried to tell everyone Matt Chapman might be the A’s 3B sooner than we think and got dragged into this by defending a baseball fan, who was acting like a baseball fan, from a pack of losers who are baiting and trolling him on EVERY thread.
Yes, I think the next CBA will have a number of changes including the QO. And I am afraid the DH is inevitably coming to the NL.
I think the QO system should be kept as it is with the only change being that players should have until the day before the regular season starts to accept the QO rather than just one week. That way, if they find that the free agent market isn’t to their liking, they can come back and be overpaid for a year and this way, teams will be more hesitant to hand out QO’s to guys who they don’t actually want to pay $16m to.