Players are beginning to report to Spring Training, but Ian Desmond remains one of three free agents left on the market that is tied to draft-pick compensation. According to the latest report from FOX’s Ken Rosenthal, the White Sox and Rays have both had recent contact with Desmond, and the Rockies, too, have been in touch with his representatives. It’s not clear whether Colorado reached out to Desmond’s camp or vice versa, nor is the severity of the Rockies’ interest known at this time. Rosenthal does, however, note that any pursuit of Desmond would perhaps unsurprisingly be heavily dependent on commissioner Rob Manfred’s course of action in disciplining incumbent shortstop Jose Reyes, who seems likely to be suspended due to his offseason domestic violence charges (though Reyes did plead not guilty last month). Reyes has a trial set for April 4, though Rosenthal notes that Manfred seems likely to act before that time, as that date lies after Opening Day.
As Rosenthal points out, the Rockies wouldn’t pay Reyes for any length of time for which he is suspended, and their No. 4 overall draft pick is protected, meaning that Desmond would require the forfeiture of the Rockies’ No. 38 overall selection, instead. From Desmond’s standpoint, it would seem like Coors Field is an optimal place to attempt to rebuild his value on a one-year deal, although it’s at least worth noting that teams can, in some cases, be wary of a player’s production at altitude (though it’s worth noting that some research has suggested that players who call Coors Field home are negatively impacted in terms of road performance). The Rockies do have an alternative to Reyes in the form of well-regarded shortstop prospect Trevor Story, though Story, of course, isn’t MLB tested at this point.
While the Rays and White Sox have spoken with Desmond, Rosenthal hears that the Rays aren’t likely to part with the 13th overall pick to sign him, and the White Sox are more focused on finding an outfielder on the trade market than they are on Desmond. Chicago does have one of the game’s top prospects, Tim Anderson, nearing the Major Leagues, and he could step into their shortstop vacancy this season, with defensive standout Tyler Saladino manning the position until that time.
The Rockies make some sense for Desmond, on paper anyway, if they plan to take a shot at contending this season, and the rest of their offseason dealings suggest that they do. Colorado has added Jake McGee, Jason Motte and Chad Qualls to its bullpen while also signing Gerardo Parra to a three-year deal. The Rockies seem like a long shot to contend in what should be a much-improved NL West, although the club’s offense should be potent and the bullpen stands to serve as a much more productive unit, especially if closer Adam Ottavino can contribute a half-season or so worth of innings once he is recovered from Tommy John. Starting pitching, of course, is the elephant in the room when looking at the Rockies, although if things go south, the team can always seek to trade Desmond in the event that he further distances himself from last season’s dreadful first half. Desmond did rebound with a .262/.331/.446 slash in the second half last year, and a few solid months of production could make him an appealing target to teams seeking midseason upgrades to their middle infield.
Slipknot37
Not saying they should go after him but I think he will go back to washington. If he does awesome there, give him a qualifying offer. If not, don’t give him one or he will have this issue again with other teams draft compensation
thecoffinnail
Agreed. He should have taken the qualifying offer. I think they signed Stephen Drew to be the placeholder until Turner is ready though.
Owen National
we signed daniel murphy to play second, which would move espinosa to short until turner is ready. then espinosa will be a utility/bench job.
southi
I am pretty sure it is against the CBA for the same team to offer the same player a QO in consecutive years.
Jeff Todd
Not the case.
southi
Thanks for correcting my mistake then.
tcav1222
I think the WhiteSox should hold onto that Compensation pick. yeah I believe Desmond could help out the offense by hitting you 15-20 homers, but he is too much of a liability on defense + that OBP isn’t all that great, The sox just need to keep building their farm and try to acquire another SS/OF so they have more depth on the bench. Anderson will be up in the next year or so, so why waste a 1st round draft pick? Jah feel.
nrd1138
I think if you give up that pick it better be for a guy who will be around for a while and I do not think Desmond, or Fowler, would be those guys..The Sox need high draft picks desperately, then again they also need better scouts and minor league instruction coaches too. IMO good organizations take the 3-6th round picks and make them good; I do not think the Sox have done this in a long time.
seamaholic 2
Desmond’s not the least bit of a liability on defense. He had an awful first two months of 2015 and made a ton of errors very quickly, but other than that, he’s rock solid.
nrd1138
Yeah, but for the White Sox ‘a month or two’ of being error prone at SS can doom this club.
doyouevenliftbruh
If rock solid means leading NL SS in errors and finishing last in fielding percentage every year, then yeah, he’s rock solid.
A strong defensive SS who can hit 20 HRs wouldn’t have the same amount in Spring Training invites as I do.
houseoflords44
A one-year deal for Desmond with the Rockies would make a lot of sense for both sides. It would allow Story to develop another year in the minors. It would give Desmond the chance to have a bounce back year & hit the free agent market again right away. It would also give the Rockies a proven major league shortstop while Reyes is likely suspended. The risk is low for the Rockies because of their protected draft pick.
theo2016
It makes no sense for them. They are bad. Sign someone in case reyes is out a month but let reyes play when he is back. Let story start lnext year. Let reyes try and build value to flip him. The 34th pick is worth like 10 mil. And it adds to ur pool money. So no matter what you get a solid prospect and or a chance to overslot later. Plus if reyes hits you can actually get something back instead of a sunk cost.
Los Calcetines Rojos
34th is not worth 10 million buddy more like 1.9 million
stl_cards16 2
The slot value is $1.9 million. He’s talking about the value of the pick, which would be up near $10MM.
seamaholic 2
Reyes is going to be suspended for at least 1oo games, and quite likely the whole season. Rockies will negotiate a buy out and he’ll never play for them again. I can almost guarantee it.
scottaz
I’m starting to like the QO. It’s certainly made this off-season more interesting. Three smart ball players and their agents called the team’s bluff, if you will, and accepted the QO for the first time ever. And three guys probably got bad advice from greedy agents, and are now probably wishing they had taken the QO and re-entered a weak market next year. It exposed some people on both sides, and it’s been very entertaining. I don’t think this system is broken at all! I think it’s working well. Let’s keep it!
pd14athletics
And then they are offered the QO next year, and ultimately can’t be in a fair market that allows to choose where they would like to play. QO is fine one time, but teams shouldn’t be able to do it again following year. Howie Kendrick getting 2/20 is shocking. I feel there should be some sort of deal where a team can’t offer a QO unless they paid a certain amount of years/money to get there. Like a 3/45. If a guy becomes an FA and you sign him to a 2/20 or offer him a QO, at the end of that deal he has no restrictions. But if you offered him at least 3 years or 45 million you can.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
It’s working in a sense but what most people don’t take into effect is that teams already have around 10 years of control. If you not a high draft pick you are not getting a high signing bonus if one at all. You are also making less than 10 thousand dollars. Team control for three years and then your maybe lucky to get to arb. If your non tendered then you are messed up. The system works in a sense. I think a QO is hurting the middle class players. Guys should have the ability to choose where they want to play. The teams that offer really have no second guessing. Baseball needs a QO offer type system but right now it’s backing up free agency. I like the idea of a three year QO type system. It forces teams to really look at whether or not they want to and it gives players some sort of security they are looking for. The top players are always going to get paid. But with everything involved you can’t fault a player who doesn’t want to go through this year by year. The idea of not being able to offer a QO the year after already being offered is an intriguing idea.
theo2016
The q.o is 16 mil. If they turn that down its on them, hardly a middle class. Its for above average players only.
User 4245925809
I agree. It’s nobody, except for desmond and his agent Sports one’s fault he is sitting around looking for a job after the miserable season he just had. 16m was 2x as much (if not more) than he deserves for what he put up last season.
Agents need to learn, as do some ball players that past accomplishments aren’t always going to guarantee some kind of huge payday when they put up bottomed out numbers the past season, as did Desmond this year.
Even Scott Boras has finally seemed to have gotten it through his greedy skull by accepting the QO with Weiters in a barren catching market, the guy who shamefully marched onward with Drew and Varitek several years back.
Yes.. desmond made his own bed here, as did Kendrick and they are paying for their mistakes now.
ASapsFables
No free agent with an attached qualifying offer put up more “bottomed out numbers the past season” than Jeff Samardzija. He is older than Ian Desmond and Dexter Fowler but still got paid and very quickly at that. I get it that he is a starting pitcher but he was not among the elite class this offseason. Fowler and Desmond were each at the top of their class and at positions considered to be among the most important, CF and SS respectively.
Using terms like “middle class” and “above average” is vague classification. Samardzija, Fowler and Desmond might each fall into one or the other based on metrics. Most every MLB site or pundit expected all three players to get multi-year contracts with annual average salaries approaching or exceeding the $15.8M QO at the outset of FA. Hindsight is a wonderful concept, just saying…
User 4245925809
Some of us don’t change up and continue saying the same things also. Not saying yourself, but some of us will say from year one and day one when signing an albatross is a horrible idea (see Sandoval, Drew etc..) and call it out while some are talking about how great it is, yet when it goes bad after the sign? They change that tune…
Think it goes with certain cities myself. If a set of facts don’t work? Change them around in one’s mind.. Who cares about reality.. Amazing how populations in some NE cities can be like that…
stl_cards16 2
The real issue is you are saying those players should have Zero choice in where they play.
They have finally put in enough years to be FREE agents, yet they are not that at all.
pd14athletics
I think the A’s should sign Desmond. I say this as a fan but I really believe it’s a good fit for both. I’m not sold on Valencia, and Semien should not have started all year. Desmond can be SS and let Semien be super utility, or if Valencia returns to what he has mostly shown in majors I believe he could be a really good 3B. It gives A’s options. Wouldn’t cost a 1st pick. A’s can afford him. A’s can even sign him and flip him for something worth more than the 2nd round pick they gave up to sign him now if their bullpen rebuild didn’t work this offseason. Makes a ton of sense if you ask me, biased and all with fingers crossed.
lonestardodger
I guarantee you they will open the year with some combo of Lowrie, Valencia, Sogard, and Semien playing 2B, 3B, and SS. For a small market team, they’ve spent quite a bit the last few years. (Kazmir, Butler, Madson, etc.)
bleacherbum
I don’t know why Seattle isn’t interested in him. They are going into the Season with Marte at SS and with all the upgrades Dipoto has made this offseason revamping the bullpen and the back end of the rotation and with Ianettta & Martin & Lind why not throw Desmond in the mix and see how far this bunch could go? They look really solid so far and I think Desmond could add to an already impressive first offseason on the job for Dipoto.
Steve Adams
Seattle would forfeit the top unprotected pick in the draft in order to add Desmond (No. 11),. From Desmond’s standpoint, if we’re talking one-year deals, that’s not a particularly appealing place for a hitter to try to go rebuild his value.
Plus, I don’t think Dipoto sees Marte as a weak spot in the lineup, nor do I necessarily think that he should. Nothing about Marte’s 2015 season strikes me as particularly outlandish aside from his defensive ratings. I’m expecting similarly useful production out over a larger sample at the plate. He won’t bring much power to the table and he’s probably better suited to play second base, but he’s still a promising enough hitter that he could capably occupy a regular role.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Matte is the real deal plus you have Cano and Seager. Not very much room to put him. I’m betting Desmond has to be guaranteed a full time job. A position move helps him if he signs a multi year contract. Not on a one year deal. Especially if his offense slips again. I’m not sure you want to move Marte off of short.
megaballs
Seattle fans saw 57 games of 22 year old Dominican Shortstop Ketel Marte. He’s cheap, he’s fast with great OBP at every level and a decent glove. Right now 30 teams are passing on Desmond. Dipoto is right.
Don’t forget the 3 FAs lose the draft pick compensation in June. Stephen Drew, Kendrys style. Maybe Desmond waits
em650r
The comp pick is hurting the players chances to get signed right away
southi
You forgot all they had to do was sign a contract when the QO was given. Those who are still unsigned gambled and apparently lost (Desmond doubly so, because he once turned down a $100 million contract offer). They have nothing to blame but themselves and their own greed.
Jeff Todd
Sorry, but this perspective just makes no sense to me. There’s far more at play than greed. For one thing, it’s legitimate for a player to want to maximize their earnings. For another, these guys are human beings with families and the right to choose a team has meaning.
Just try to imagine an analogous situation in your own employment situation. I realize they are playing with comic book salary numbers, and that’s important to remember, too, but the QO does place a major burden on a few particular players. That it was collectively bargained doesn’t mean it’s turned out to function in a fair and efficient and reasonable manner. The system puts the onus on them to decide between the one-year offer and a handicapped chance at a long-term deal; why is it that “their own greed” is to blame for being forced into that decision?
southi
I understand what you are saying but going to your real life example would you walk out on a job with out first evaluating the job market for your personal skill set?
It was already a known fact that there wasn’t a huge middle infielder market this off season ( the influx of several good young players has seen to that). Also it wasn’t too long ago another middle infielder with serious question marks had to wait until mid season to sign (Drew). The historic big spenders (yanks, red Sox, Dodgers, Angels) for one reason or another weren’t looking for a major investment on a guy like Desmond. He had a poor season and has been declining of late too. How were any of those factors a positive for him to get a big pay day? In my mind this gave a high probability that Desmond especially would have trouble getting the contract he expected.
I believe that the players owe it to themselves to research all the factors before they just assume that it isn’t a good thing to turn down the QO. I feel that Desmond especially made a terrible mistake. It isn’t he shouldn’t be allowed to seek higher wages at all. He just chose a terrible time to do it. I appreciate your opinions, but in this one it appears we differ.
kbarr888
Jeff,
I know that it’s not fair to compare baseball players with regular people. And that salaries have escalated well beyond regular comprehension. But we all need to keep in mind that regular folks making $150,000/year (every single year of their careers) would only make about $4.5 million in their whole life. $15.8 million is almost 4 times what that “well above average paycheck” provides. But most people don’t make $150K….so the comparison is even worse.
My ONLY point is this……when we discuss guys turning down a chance to make $15.8 million in a SINGLE year, we should NOT feel sorry for them when “things don’t quite go as expected”. That alone is enough money to feed the grandchildren that the “unborn sons & daughters” haven’t even had, if they invest it correctly. Chris Davis gets $42,000…..EVERY TIME HE STEPS TO THE PLATE. Maybe the O’s will sign ME for a couple games to pinch-hit for him a few times…..after all, I can strike out just as easily as he can!…..LOL
jbach
If it’s not fair to compare regular people to players then don’t do it. I’m tired of this argument that players should just accept the QO because it’s a lot of money. Players should try to get as much as they can and maximize their market value.
pocc
How did that work out for Desmond? He turned down far more than he will make yearly for the rest of his career.
Jeff Todd
Well, turning down a one-year deal at that price — even if you don’t ultimately match or exceed it in FA — is often still work the risk.
But I don’t see how this is responsive to my comment, anyway. The entire point is that the system rather unfairly shifts a significant burden onto a few players. And that it’s not really fair to pin anything on the supposed greed of those individuals.
southi
Personally I don’t think that turning down a qualifying offer in annof itself is greed. That wasn’t by any means what I meant of intended to imply when I first said “they have nothing to blame but themselves and their own greed”. They should blame themselves because ultimately it was their own decision. The greed in my mind at least figures directly into it because they are making what is in my mind a high risk choice when the factors around that decision point to the high probability of failure ( not getting a significant payday). As I said this applies especially towards Desmond.
Each individual situation is different, with its own set of factors. I in fact believe that Fowler and Gallardo will sign decent (if unspectacular) multi year contracts before the season starts.
stymeedone
The best option to get signed “right away” is to accept the QO. The players chose to not sign”right away”.
Benjamin Campagna
I don’t understand why Desmond hasn’t been linked to Arizona (or why they didn’t sign him instead of trading for Segura). For a team in win-now mode which has already forfeited its first pick and looks to be getting such bad offensive production from their shortstops, Desmond seems like an ideal add.
kenster84
Because Arizona is a small market club, pretending they;re not because of a decent tv deal coming up. They also have one of the top defensive SS’s in the game in Ahmed and Segura costs about $10 million less than Desmond expects to get.. I believe had they pulled off the Aaron Hill slary dump earlier they would have gone after Kendrick and tried to move Owings for a reliever.
huntermills8
It’s sad to see so many talented players still in free agency. Just because of draft picks? I understand some teams want to go younger, but at least give some of these guys a home
kenster84
Why is it sad? Spring training hasn’t even gotten under way, Gallardo is working on a 3 year deal and Fowler probably signs with the O’s immediately after.
Twinsfan79
Desmond is not worth the draft pick. He’s a declining offensive player. His ops the last 4 seasons: 125,113,103,80. If 100 is league avg I’d say he’s risky at best.
seamaholic 2
He’s 30 years old and his fWAR in his age 26, 27, and 28 years were all over 4 wins. Basically, he was the 2nd or 3rd best SS in baseball as recently as 2014, and isn’t old. Age-related declines are not linear.
kenster84
Doesn’t the NFL have like 3 tiers of QO’s? Shouldn’t that be something to look in to?
jb19
You are thinking restricted free agency I think. And there are 3 types: franchise tender (terminology?) Which requires two first round picks (successive years), first round tender and transitional tender (range based on skill level but can be as high as 2nd round, low as 5th I believe). I hope that makes sense. Learning that system is hard, but that’s what Ipicked up.
Desmond wants a multi year deal, no team wants to do that and is not going to give up a first round pick for a one year deal. I’m sure Desmond won’t sign an incentive laden multi year deal either. He’s in a tough spot. He was offered $100+ million last offseason, now no one wants him on his terms.
ASapsFables
I have been a proponent for some time now that the White Sox should offer Ian Desmond a reasonable short term contract with a player opt-out following the 2016 season. I reasoned that there was a good chance he would be amenable to such a deal, especially with a perceived contender like the White Sox who play their home games in a “hitter-friendly” venue, along with few better options available to him this late in the off-season. Desmond could take advantage of the opt-out with a good season and still be the premium free agent shortstop in next winter’s FA market, expected to be weaker overall than the 2015-2016 one. This is a player, who despite a sub-par 2015 season, has still averaged 31 doubles, 22 HR’s, 77 RBI’s, 20 SB’s and a 3.8 WAR over the past 4 seasons. Desmond is still just 30 years old, nearly as durable as former SS Alexei Ramirez was and most importantly is still a slightly above average MLB defender at the position based on dWAR, which had him with a career high 0.9 metric in each of the past two seasons.
It now appears that the White Sox might be able to sign Desmond to a standard one year contract. This would allay their concerns about committing a multi-year deal to a player who occupies the same position as the organization’s #1 prospect, Tim Anderson, who will be debuting at the AAA level in 2016. A one year contract to Desmond would allow the White Sox an opportunity to monitor the progress of Anderson, who has elite speed, athleticism and some plus offensive tools but is still a work in progress defensively. If Anderson proves worthy of a promotion later in 2016 or the White Sox underwhelm as they did last season, they would still have the option of flipping Desmond by the summer trade deadline(s) and getting a comparable return of value to the lost compensatory #28 draft pick they would forfeit by signing him. The White Sox could also opt to keep Desmond the entire season and then have an opportunity to extend him a QO next offseason, potentially picking up an extra sandwich pick in 2017.
Tyler Saladino, the likely opening day starter as I post, can then become the White Sox primary utility infielder, one who is capable of playing all four positions on the diamond. What do the White Sox have to lose other than a small portion of cash that was already earmarked for one of the three premium free agent OF’s they missed out on, along with the compensatory draft pick? The White Sox could potentially add a 3-4 WAR player without having to forfeit their top-10 protected first round pick in June. Seems like a minimal cost for a former All-Star shortstop who has also won 3 silver slugger awards and is still in the prime of his career. It would also give the White Sox a starting infield capable of hitting 90-120 HR’s in 2016. The general formula for the White Sox reaching the postseason since the Cell has opened is 200+ HR’s to go along with solid pitching. Signing Desmond and adding one more impacting OF, like FA Dexter Fowler or one of their “reported” trade targets, just might get the White Sox back to the playoffs in 2016…something they haven’t experienced since 2008.
tcav1222
The sox should just keep the 27th pick the farm is so weak, it’s seems like they’ve been hitting on some good players in the 1st round in recent years. I would be okay with Desmond tho on a 1year deal.
tcav1222
Desmond only averages about 25 errors a season throughout his entire career, but yeah that is totally rock solid!