FEB. 20: The Orioles are “closer than ever” to signing Gallardo, reports Encina. The two sides are nearing agreement on a three-year deal in the $35MM to $40MM range. Executive vice president Dan Duquette says a deal is not imminent. It’s worth noting that the Orioles tend to be very fastidious with final contract details and physicals. A final announcement may not come tonight, but it’s looking increasingly likely.
FEB. 19: The specific holdup in talks between the Orioles and Gallardo aren’t clear, but an opt-out clause is not the cause for the delay, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Baltimore is not going to give Gallardo an opt-out clause, and the pitcher’s camp is not demanding one in negotiations.
FEB. 18: Eduardo A. Encina of the Baltimore Sun hears that Fowler has recently been seeking a four-year deal or, at least, more than $45MM on a three-year deal. Baltimore’s reportedly increased willingness to spend bodes well for the two sides being able to bridge that gap. Encina writes that the O’s “don’t seem to be in a rush” to complete either deal, noting that fans shouldn’t expect to see either in camp today. Encina echoes the sentiment that the O’s ultimately expect to sign both, however.
FEB. 17, 7:35pm: ESPN’s Buster Olney reports some of the parameters being discussed by the Orioles and Fowler (links to Twitter). The two sides are exploring a deal that would pay Fowler $12-13MM per season over a two- to three-year term, Olney hears. That’s a hike from previous comparisons to Howie Kendrick’s two-year, $20MM contract with the Dodgers, but even $12-13MM over a two- or three-year deal represents, from my vantage point, a rather nice value for the Orioles.
Olney adds that it is the Orioles’ “expectation” that they will sign both Gallardo and Fowler, with Gallardo bolstering the starting pitching and Fowler becoming the team’s everyday right fielder.
1:03pm: We checked in earlier today on the Orioles’ efforts to make some late additions of qualifying offer-bound free agents, as reports have suggested continued optimism that Baltimore will finalize a deal with righty Yovani Gallardo. Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com hears much the same (links to Twitter), and adds that the O’s are “confident” they’ll land outfielder Dexter Fowler as well.
Notably, per Kubatko, the O’s have yet to agree with the dollars being sought by their open-market targets — suggesting that there’s a bit more ground to cover than some minor contract provisions. He adds, interestingly, that the price tag on one or both players has “apparently changed recently.”
The expected cost of these players at this stage of the market remains a bit murky, though we have heard suggestions on both. Gallardo was said to be nearing agreement on a deal that would pay him in the $40MM to $45MM range over a three-year term. And Fowler has reportedly drawn interest from the O’s at around two years and $20MM.
While there’s still confidence in adding multiple players, Kubatko says that the Orioles would be interested in reaching agreement with Fowler whether or not a deal is first finalized with Gallardo. Adding either player would require the sacrifice of the 14th overall pick in this summer’s amateur draft, while signing both would spread that cost somewhat since the O’s next selection currently stands as the 29th choice.
Meanwhile, Baltimore still isn’t ruling out a move for Reds’ outfielder Jay Bruce. But it appears that the interest is tepid, as the team has real concerns about the former star’s ability to bounce back after two consecutive disappointing campaigns.
Gallardo makes the O’s instantly better.. . . Fowler doesn’t..
Fowler would be a huge improvement, but Gallardo has so many warning signs that bringing him on board at all is questionable. 15 million AAV is unthinkable.
Dan should be ashamed of himself for every year creating this urgent need to sign any clods that remain after all the worthwhile players find teams.
Not much to disagree with in this post, particularly about the lack of forward thinking signings by DD. Gallardo has so much of the same traits as Jimenez several seasons ago, it is difficult to see giving him 3/$45 for a contract. Fowler looks to be the answer for right field and will add that lead off batter to let Manny move down into the #2 hole where he looks more comfortable. Since the O’s picked up a draft pick, I can see giving away #14 to grab Fowler, but not both first round picks.
Cubs fan chiming in on Fowler… It’s an absolute crime that this guy is sitting on the FA market. Yes, he has his flaws at the plate and strikes out too much – but he has superb on base skills, has pop at the top of the lineup and while I hate citing character when it comes to clubhouses I wasn’t in, I will say that his character was absolutely lauded by his teammates last season. This guy would be a huge addition to the Orioles. However, I’d stick him in LF. He really doesn’t have the arm for RF.
I agree that if the O’s sign Fowler. They should put him in LF. Way more ground to cover than in RF at Camden Yards.
O’s don’t want to put Kim in right, so if Fowler’s playing left in this scenario, Kim’s not playing very often, with Trumbo getting most of the DH at bats.
I agree . As a cub fan like him back for center then heyward goes to right. If o’s sign then we get a compensation pick. Win win. He should have taken the 15 mil one year then went for free agency next year which is weaker class. Obviously he is shocked like the rest of us he didn’t get a bigger contract
Yep. Way too many red flags with Gallardo. Duquette says: “He’s an innings eater.” But he forgets the old adage: “You’re durable until you aren’t.”
Should have kept Nelson Cruz.
No argument here! Cruz might have hit 50 homers with the O’s last season. I still can’t fathom last off season. They should have went for it with the small window the O’s had. But they do worse than standing pat an let two key pieces go. It still boggles my mind. Especially with the direction they are taking now.
The A’s were connected to him first and wouldn’t give him 4 years, they were committed to paying for 3 years of a DH. They got Butler instead. I think the O’s are better off than the A’s with letting him walk.
Not to mention the A’s had Encarnacion in 2010 for a month before putting him back on waivers. He immediately broke out.
Two huge moves they should have made.
These moves make Baltimore more durable. I think it would help them considerably.
The Gallardo move is ok nothing great but solid starter for Orioles. He can go 6 innings give you 180 innings. Typical Orioles starter. They need someone they can count on and Gallorda is just that. Fowler will put this offense over the top. His speed OBP and good he to make pitcher work will only help make the La offense that much better. Fowler will be at the top of the league in runs for sure. These 2 moves put the Is in contention for the division.
I think you’re all wrong. I think these moves are both idiotic. They are spending too much and Gallardos numbers figures he will have a much worse year this year. Also, they have a system that is very barren, so this is a very very bad move on their part, because if their offense doesn’t look well or pay off, they lose, and they lose hard. They will have to trade Jones and likely davis
I’d agree if the O’s could develop starting pitchers. But the only starters that ever succeed are the ones that get traded away. From what I hear it has a lot to do with over coaching. Not waiting to see if a player is successful before they go tweaking things.
Arrietta pretty much said as much when asked why he couldn’t do what he did with the Cubs for the O’s.
From what I hear, it has to do with Rick Peterson. He’s the guy who told Bundy to change his arm slot, he’s the guy who told Arrieta you can’t throw across your body. He’s too rigid with his insistence on “proper mechanics.” Fire him and find somebody else to be director of pitcher development, DD.
What in his numbers do you see that suggests regression?
Well if both sign we have to dfa 2 guys. I say try to try 3 guys for a LHP starter
Try to trade
i think gallardo will get 38M for 3yrs or 48M for 4th team option yr…fowler will get 2 yrs for 21M or 3 yrs at 32M
Whatever decision the Orioles make, 60% of the time they are wrong every time.
So your telling me there’s a chance??? Yes!!!!!
I know Gallardo isn’t a strike out guy he doesn’t throw heat but his ground ball ratio is very good for Camden and he doesn’t throw home run balls very often. He’s know to throw well against the blue jays. Yes there is some concern for how he’s going to do in Baltimore but the O’s weren’t going out to get Price or Grenkie, I would have liked Cueto or even Kazimer but if you are going all in might as well get what you can get. Davis kind of hamstrung the whole process getting a pitcher first. But Angelos is a weird dude.
I think the O’s losing their picks to sign both players is fine, this time it seems the teams have more leverage in deals Gallardo for 3yr 39mil, and Fowler 2yr 20mil with 3rd year option would be great value for FA signings. I’ve read that the value of the picks could be between 15 and 20mil total so take that money to the international market and get 3 or 4 players. If the O’s lose the picks and then fail to sign international players than the loss is magnified.
Baltimore should sign Fowler first, then Gallardo. Texas will jump in and sign Fowler when they’re guaranteed the compensation pick. If Baltimore loses out on Fowler then Bruce/Alvarez would have to be the backup plan.
Why does Texas need an outfielder choo is getting paid too much to trade and deshields and Hamilton are good
Hamilon is not very good. Plus, he had a cortisone shot last month, and his knee is acting up again already. I’d take Fowler in a heartbeat.
i am hoping orioles sign him but i think u r right he is going to the rangers and o’s will have to settle for matt joyce or grady sizemore
That’s funny that you say Choo is overpaid and Hamilton is good in the same breath. Choo had a pretty nice season last year and Hamilton is just dreadful, on top of being a distraction.
A pretty nice season doesn’t justify his contract and I meant the upside of Hamilton is huge so they won’t get rid of him
Hamilton is shot. So is Sizemore. Gallardo is a #3-4 starter. He’s not going to put the O’s in the playoffs and neither will Fowler. They won’t put butts in the seats, either. But they fill holes Baltimore needs IF they want to have a reasonable shot.
I would just like to address the fact they called Jay Bruce a star….
This is from a Reds fan
He’s a star because he exists in space somewhere.
Both are excellent pickups for a contending team to make. Got to make upgrades however you can and these two are upgrades over the worst SP on the team and the worst OF on the bench, effectively either Nolan Reimold who goes to AAA, or Joey Rickard, who’s a rule V selection and must stay on the team or else he goes back to Tampa Bay, and Mike Wright, who leaves the rotation and goes to AAA.
The Orioles were a borderline contender before this, and these two moves were being called by many as the way to get them official. If they both go down, a lot more people will like their chances in a tough div.
Yes, they would be fine pick ups for a contender. Gallardo as a back-end starter, and Fowler as a left fielder. Baltimore wants Gallardo to lead the rotation, and plans Fowler for RF, where his arm is questionable. These are desperation moves.
A rotation of number 3 starters all over could do well and historically a lot of good centerfielders transition to right well
I don’t think the O’s are expecting Gallardo to lead the rotation.
And regarding Fowler, the O’s currently have one legit MLB outfielder in Adam Jones. After AJ, they have Hyun-Soo Kim, who may or may not transition well to MLB, Nolan Reimold and a Rule 5 pick.
Gallardo is a stabilizing piece who pushes an unproven prospect (Mike Wright or Tyler Wilson) out of the #5 spot in the rotation. Fowler is a massive upgrade over in house corner outfield options.
Alfredo Simon fits that description also. He would be cheaper and save the draft pick. My concern with Fowler is his arm. Neither he or Kim can throw. Lots of runners will be taking the extra base.
I got to say for the cost of what free agents are getting paid these days this looks like a great deal for Baltimore. Both Fowler and Gallardo on short inexpensive deals will be a good addition to them. This may be what makes them a contender in the AL East this next year IF there other question marks work out. I would not bet against Baltimore this year. With that said I think they should win about 87 to 89 games this year.
Gallardo at 3 years and anything approach $40-45 million is not a great deal. If they were willing to spend that kind of money on a pitcher they should have gone after Kazmir, a LH with no loss of pick.
This is ridiculous to me. I don’t know if the Orioles can or cannot contend or not, but giving up draft picks with a terrible farm is never smart. If picks were allowed to be traded, i’d never give up the 14th pick for them plus another one, unless i had a great farm. And their giving it up for Gallarado? He probably was the worst free agent offered a QO. I think Ubaldo would have been warning enough for them to sign a pitcher with declining peripherals. Sure they make them better, but I dont think the short term gain is enough to outweigh the long term loss
After #14 and #29, O’s have 4 additional picks in the top 100 in the 2016 draft. And they can/should sign a few IFA’s to make up for the lost draft choices.
The AL East is winnable. All of the rotations are flawed, and the O’s could have a decent to good one if they replace a question mark with Gallardo and Tillman and Gonzalez bounce back. Their offense is solid, and Fowler gives them a legit leadoff hitter while pushing Machado into a run-producing spot in the order.
These two guys weren’t anyone’s first choice, as evidenced by their unemployment, but they’re both clear upgrades for a team on the fringe.
They are both upgrades thats for sure, I just dont know if replacing 2 bad players with 2 mediocre players is enough to put them by the rest of the division
No kidding. You build up your farm system—esp. when you have 6 of the first 91 picks—so that you don’t have to look for aging free agents or hope you get lucky with rejects like McLouth and Pearce. The “Oriole Way” worked in the ’60’s and ’70’s. It takes discipline and patience, not desperate moves for guys past their prime.
I am a huge Cubs fan and have been a fan of Dexter since he broke in with the Rockies. However he has played exactly one inning outside of CF in his career. I don’t think he has the arm to play either of the corners.
Fowler is a nice piece to most MLB teams, in my eyes, if not for the loss of a pick. It seems like his stock should have been higher. He may never be elite, but he’s a valuable player and should be able to improve any team in need of an outfielder. Fielding aside, he has a somewhat similar offensive profile to someone like Heyward or Alex Gordon. In a good offense, he could boast some sneaky good numbers
Not a fan. If you are going to give up these types of draft picks they should have signed premier FAs early, not bottom feeding late. It is clear Fowler & Gallardo weren’t valued highly by the O’s when the offseason began and they were never in the offseason plans until they were the last men standing and every other contingency plan failed. The O’s ML roster is improved, but not enough make the playoffs and not enough to justify the cost now and in the future.
That’s the NEW “Oriole Way”
I agree completely.
I can’t recall a season where so many players were unsigned at this point in the spring. it almost strikes me as some kind of collusion issue…
Is there any analysis to compare this year to previous years to determine how significant it is?
Yea, well, who really wants to forfeit draft picks for some of these guys that are left? And also, for teams trying to tank- they’re probably not going to sign anyone to a contract that they can’t move at the deadline.
if a team is really trying to “tank”…..why spend millions on a player at all? why not go with rookies for the minimum? plus, it makes no sense to sign players if they’re not going to give you a realistic shot at the playoffs. sure, a team could go out and sign people like Rios or Freese, Uggla, Weeks, Lohse or Lincecum and they might help you win 4-5 games more, but what does that accomplish?
I guess you don’t remember the Astros teams of just a couple years ago. Or the Rays for the first 10 years they were around. Some teams like Philadelphia still have leftover long term contracts from their winning years. Who did the Reds, Phillies or Brewers sign to a large contract this off season?
Exactly my point. The Astros knew they were going to be bad so they didn’t bother signing guys like Kyle Lohse or David Freeze.? It wasn’t going to make them any better. The Reds, Phils and Brewers look to be bad this year even with big ticket players on their roster. They would love to get rid of them but won’t find many takers unless they eat most of their contracts. So why bother? It’s not the idea “we’re going to tank games on purpose to get a #1 draft pick” as much as signing mediocre talent is just a waste of money.
The three players tied to draft picks appear to be in decline. It’s now spring training and most teams have filled their open spots. They aren’t signed and there is little demand. The other remaining players are of marginal value, and mostly depth pieces. A rookie can fill the same spot for less.
The Astros could of had jd Martinez, fowler, and springer in their outfield
Both seem like very moveable contracts if things do not work out and they feel the need to go in a new direction in the off season, I don’t see why they couldn’t recuperate value for the picks they lost..
I think we should add another ace like pitcher to the mix
Another? Who’s the first Ace?
Bill Smith great points. To give up draft pick isn’t wise. Mortgage the future. Gallardo trending down and will have difficult time in AL East. Fowler is a .250 hitter however his OBP would be beneficial to O’s.
Fowler was a .250 hitter LAST YEAR. He is a career .270 hitter
At least he hopefully won’t get an opt out clause because then giving up the pick u wouldn’t lose much
To add another ace like pitcher they would have to offer a package with prospects and hurt the farm system so there is no chance they do that
Cliff Lee is ace like. Not sure if he is an ace anymore but he is still definitely ace like.
I agree that they should consider Cliff Lee but it looks like he knows he doesn’t have much left and his career is probable over
If they land Pedro Alvarez also they will have quite an incredible haul for post-ST signings.
I’m sure there are any number of reasons signing Gallardo could be dragging on. But one or more of the 4 main reasons would be the most logical:
1) Money
2) Years
3) Years & Money
4) Passing the O’s notorious physical
Yep, I think you nailed it, lol. And from my POV, I’m hoping he doesn’t pass that physical.
No point signing Fowler unless they can lock up Gallardo. Fowler should insist on a deal where he can opt out after 1 year, or else consider sitting out till June and signing a 1 yr deal like Drew/Morales did and hope it works out better.