The Angels have taken quite a bit of flak for a seeming unwillingness to exceed the luxury tax threshold, but owner Arte Moreno strongly denied to MLB.com’s Alden Gonzalez that he is firmly against exceeding that $189MM threshold. “It has never been about that,” Moreno told Gonzalez. “It has never been with the threshold. …We have a budget, and every year, I’ve overspent our budget.” Moreno says that his operating budget has typically been in the $140-150MM range, but he’s consistently exceeded that mark to the point where he suggested to Gonzalez that the team is barely avoiding debt. Moreno, though, seemingly conceded to the fact that the possibility of exceeding the tax barrier played some role in the club’s offseason, as Gonzalez goes on to mention that the owner “wasn’t confident that the Angels would be able to comfortably get back under the threshold given their potential holes,” which prompted them to pass on high-profile free agents. It would seem, then, that his assertion is that while he wasn’t entirely resistant to the notion of exceeding, the proper situation didn’t present itself this winter. The Angels do have a record payroll for the 2016 season, Gonzalez points out, even with a Craig Gentry/Daniel Nava platoon in left field and Johnny Giavotella/Cliff Pennington in line for most of the second base at-bats. Just as importantly, though, he adds that the Angels are about $2MM shy of the luxury tax threshold at present. Notably, Moreno denied an interview to the Los Angeles Times, as Pedro Moura writes.
A bit more from Gonzalez’s column and several more Angels notes on an evening with plenty of news coming out of Anaheim…
- Regarding the possibility of eventually looking to trade Mike Trout — a notion that stemmed from a fairly innocuous comment in Keith Law’s farm system rankings at ESPN — Moreno shot down the possibility in definitive fashion. “One hundred percent we are not trading Mike Trout,” Moreno told Gonzalez. “…It’s not even in the thought process.” Honestly, it’s fairly surprising to me that this even reached the point where the owner felt the need to comment, but Moreno’s firm denial merits a brief mention.
- While the Angels didn’t make the big deadline splash that many fans were hoping for this past July, it wasn’t for lack of trying, Gonzalez tweets. According to Gonzalez, the Halos “tried hard” to pry Yoenis Cespedes from the Tigers, but Detroit wouldn’t budge on its asking price of Sean Newcomb. Eventually, the two sides scrapped the talks and, of course, Cespedes was traded to the Mets for right-handers Michael Fulmer and Luis Cessa. Newcomb was later traded alongside right-hander Chris Ellis and shortstop Erick Aybar to bring Andrelton Simmons to the Halos. For those wondering why the Angels didn’t make a run at Cespedes this winter, Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register got the sense that Cespedes preferred the East Coast and didn’t want to sign with the Angels, who would’ve had to drastically overpay in order to sign him (links to Twitter).
- Another interesting note from Fletcher, who writes in a full column that left-hander Hector Santiago said his agent called him in November to inform him that he was on the verge of being traded to the Orioles. A deal (clearly) never came to fruition. The Orioles are known to have been seeking rotation help all winter, and Santiago was an oft-speculated trade candidate when the Angels were seeking ways in which to bolster their outfield situation. Specific parameters of the apparent near-deal aren’t known, though if the agent and player are being informed that something is close, that would signify rather advanced discussions.
- Also within that piece, Fletcher writes that setup man Joe Smith would like to remain with the Halos beyond the expiration of his contract at season’s end, although there have been no extension talks between the two sides. “I would love to (re-sign) but there were a few more important things this winter to be keeping our eye on,” said Smith.
- Former Angels GM and current Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto discussed his relationship with Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia candidly in an appearance on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (audio link). Dipoto praised Moreno’s willingness to spend and called Scioscia a likely Hall of Famer, but he admitted that there were challenges. “There were times where it was very difficult to the job that I was asked to do, but that was because I was caught in between, perhaps, two different dynamics,” said Dipoto. “And I would say the same of them. I had some different ideas that maybe they weren’t as comfortable with…” Dipoto went on to say that Mariners ownership has been more receptive to his ideas. “…And, as importantly, I have a manager now in Scott Servais who I do see eye-to-eye with,” Dipoto continued. “We have discussed every move, we have disagreed on many ideas as we’ve gone through this offseason, but in a really productive way. And, fair or unfair, that was not always the case with Mike. … Healthy disagreement is a good thing, and sometimes in Anaheim as you saw played out nationally multiple times over the four years, it wasn’t quite as healthy.”
- Scioscia was made aware of Dipoto’s comments, Moura notes in his aforementioned column, though the longtime Halos skipper didn’t seem to take much umbrage with anything that was said. “I think there were certainly times that you are not going to agree on everything,” Scioscia explained. “I think there were times when the communication was there, maybe times where it wasn’t what it could have been. But I’m not looking back.” Scioscia said he operated similarly under former GMs Bill Stoneman and Tony Reagins. “I think you have to have that free-flowing of ideas,” he continued. “I think at times, we did.”
sdsuphilip
The interesting thing very few people have talked about is how bad projections show there SP staff. Steamer projects them to finish with 3rd worst fWAR amongst all teams SP. I do think they are light on Heaney (1.2 fWAR in 130 innings), Weaver and Santiago both project to finish combined for .8 fWAR in 310 but you do have to consider both have outpitched periphals, still Weaver is hanging onto his last thread and the ending could be this year.
Angels had obvious holes at 2B, LF 1B, and catcher and filled none of them. And howie was there for a cheap deal.
itserikman
Losing a draft pick for Howie isn’t cheap. No thanks
sdsuphilip
Considering how much less he got than he should of yes it is.
Diablo 2
Dodgers didnt lose a pick. Howie was not cheap for any other team.
Pricemcdice
May have taken a cheap deal, but he still cost a 1st round pick. Angels cant afford that right now.
sdsuphilip
Yes they can, you don’t ignore Trout’s prime years+ his clock
Diablo 2
Arte and Sosh have been around for the Angels best years and now when […} hit the fan no one seems to be a fan. Well I for one, I am still a fan. This team hasn’t even been terrible the past 4 years like many of you are saying. Y’all talking as if we have been in the basement of the division. This team has a great core and theirs A LOT of question marks in the team as well, guys that can have a bounce back season such as Wilson,Rasmus,Pujols etc or just a complete question mark like Cowart, Guerra,Friedrich, choi etc… Some may bring zero value to the team, others may bring a ton of a value. We can also have a scenario were none of these players bring value or they all bring value. The season hasn’t even begun and y’all acting like we in last place. This isn’t football, basketball or soccer.. Baseball is NOT a predicable sport, that is the beauty of it. So just sit back, relax, and enjoy.
sdsuphilip
One thing I will say though is Angels got a partying gift from Dipito by him not being willing to deal Newcomb (probably a overrated prospect) for Cespedes and got a lot more value back in Simmons
metsoptimist
I am no Cespedes fan, but you’d really rather have Simmons than have had Cespedes?
beauvandertulip
It’s like the Angels want to set themselves up for failure. Most likely will finish 4th or 5th in the al west this year. If any injuries happen they are lost and hopeless. They have no depth and the fact that they won’t trade trout is the stupidest thing in baseball. C.J Wilson needs to be traded for them as well. Along with Garrett Richards. They have enough starting pitchers to take the chance and trade Richards now. The Angels have dug a hole so big that the owners should literally just flee. I’ve never see a organization this terribly mismanaged ever.
sigurd 2
You’ve never seen the Rockies?
gregsuhrstedt
Dude you are literally so stupid. The Angels are in good shape so you need to just chill out. The Phillies holding on to all their aging stars ranks somehow higher than the Angels management? OK
alt2tab
You lost me when you said not trading Trout is the stupidest thing ever. It’s not like the Angels are an obvious last place team. They still have a pretty great core in Trout, Richards, Calhoun, Simmons, and Heaney and they have a ton of money coming off the books after this year (Weaver, Wilson, Smith, Escobar, etc.). They might not look spectacular this year but there is no real reason to dismantle the entire team. Two years ago they won 98 games with many of the same players they still have. I’m not saying they’re capable of that in 2016 but they are not far away from reaching that level of team if they’re willing to invest in free agency next off-season.
sdsuphilip
Is it a “great core” or is it trout and some nice pieces. I agree that at this point they shouldn’t deal trout, but the reason the core is great is because of Trout, Simmons, Calhoun, Richards, Heaney being the 2-5 best players on a team is below average, and I’m in the crowd that does agree with sabermetrics on Simmons.
alt2tab
All of them combined provide 20 WAR for a relatively low price. Seems like a pretty good core to me
sdsuphilip
Simmons, Calhoun, and Richards only combined for 9.5 fWAR last year, they haven’t proven they can put pieces around Trout and Moreno is a huge meddler
kingjenrry
“Only?”
bkbkbk
Nope. It’s a great core. The only hard things about the situation is the longterm money in aging veterans. Richards, Trout, Simmons, Calhoun, Skaggs and Heaney is a GREAT core.
dtipres
I think the Angels overachieved the year they won 98 games. But a good analogy would be the Phillies, who won 102 games in 2011 and then fell through the floor. By the time reality hit them, their aging stars were 4 years older and clearly on their last legs. In retrospect they should have blown up that team after the 2012 season, when they could have gotten a far better return on those players than they ended up getting (in some cases, they’ll end up getting nothing for those players). Should the Angels trade Trout? To do so would be to guarantee last place finishes for the next few years, at least, on the assumption that they would be trading him for prospects. How many top prospects could one team trade for Trout? What guarantee would there be that they would ever amount to anything worthwhile? Trout hasn’t even entered his prime years yet. Barring injury, he could end up one of the all time greats. Wouldn’t it be smarter to build the team around him, not in place of him?
quisenberrya
Just stop. Lets trade cj wilson and his 20 m salary. And garret richards, “proven ” ace”. And trade trout. Beauvandertulip you need to stop commenting here, read dave schoenfield instead. MORON
kingfelix34
All of the angels fans will just argue with you because they aren’t willing to accept it, me a Seattle sports fan has already learned to accept losing
ironwolf
Maybe you’ve never heard of Baltimore.. My Orioles were horribly managed for more than 10 years before the owner stopped meddling with personnel decisions. and giving away high draft picks for free agents, some of dubious value or character like Albert Belle. He scared away some pretty good GMs because his ego was so large he thought he knew more about players than they did.
(Actually with Chris Davis, an Angelos favorite, it was a late Friday night visit from Angelos himself to Boras that got that contract signed, so with this one player the owner interjected himself again into negotiations.)
Too bad there isn’t more info about the aborted Santiago deal that would’ve sent him to Baltimore.. What killed it? He has upside and is young. The O’s needed a LHP to replace Chen in the rotation and if Santiago could just get his walks under control—sometimes a minor tweak to mechanics gets the job done—he could be a very good pitcher. Also needs to find a way to get more ground balls.
Regardless, I would rather have him than Gallardo (please don’t pass that physical exam) which seems almost like a done deal, though it’s taking longer than expected.
bkbkbk
I cant for the life of me imagine who the Angels were going to get back. It was most likely offense, but who on your roster is a positional upgrade? Weiters? Jones is too much more valuable and Schoop too little. Any thoughts?
ironwolf
It wouldn’t have been Wieters—they were happy that he accepted the QO. You need two catchers on the 25 man roster.
And there’s no way the O’s would part with Schoop. He has some plate discipline issues but his bat has a lot of pop and he’s great at turning the double play—has a great arm. They like him at 2B long term.
They do have a prospect catcher named Chance Sisco and a prospect at first base named Trey Mancini.. Both guys have moved up the list of prospect rankings. It’s just a guess, but since the Angels could use help at both positions (unless you think Cron will get better than he’s been), maybe their names were part of the discussion.
If Sisco was one of the names mentioned, I could see why the O’s would have reservations about parting with him.. Wieters will probably be gone after 2016 and they would then look at Sisco pairing with the current backup catcher Caleb Joseph, who is very capable defensively.
Mancini would make sense now that Davis is blocking him at 1B for the foreseeable future, but they didn’t know at that time that they would get Davis back.
Maybe the O’s and Angels should re-open trade discussions, because Santiago, being a lefty, is an arm the O’s could use and Gallardo just doesn’t make sense. The Angels have more starters than slots right now, The O’s don’t.. My guess is that both teams will continue to scout the other team’s rosters during spring training and see if they can still work something out acceptable to both sides.
ironwolf
Doesn’t matter now. Looks like Gallardo will be wearing an Orioles uniform this year. At least the price is right, if the initial reports are correct.
angelsforever
Artie and Carpino (Team President) are both liars. Pathological liars.
They say they allow the “baseball people to make the Baseball decisions”
That is so laughable. Artie controls every molecule in the LAA front office.
Why do these guys have to BS the fans?
It is getting old.
martinc27
Did the Yankees want to trade Jeter in their down years – no. Other than to show your ignorance of the Angels why would you even raise the stupid point to trade Trout. Just because ESPN raises a point, doesn’t mean it has any substance to it other than to whip the mindless into a frenzy.
sigurd 2
The interesting thing about Moreno and the all the flak the Angels get for not spending is a fundamental aspect of the game: baseball is a business.
We all want the best free agents and grind our teeth when our teams seem “cheap” but taking an operating loss as an owner ever year is not a viable business strategy.
davidcoonce74
Baloney; Moreno is making more money than ever. And baseball is a business, sure except it operates outside the parameters of every other business because of the anti-trust exemption.
jmac70
You do know they get 150mil every year from their TV deal. Plus have averaged over 3million fans for the last 5+ years. There shouldnt be anyway they are losing money.
angelsfansince74
Jmac70 you do realize that Arte Moreno basically makes no money from people buying tickets to the games right? The city gets all the revenue from the parking lot. And they also get 35% of the money from ticket sales.
ssowl
In 2009 Art walked away with $10,730,000 according to their financial statements. Their revenue was $217 million whereas in 2014 it was $305 million. In 2009 the Angels payroll was $113 million. 2014 it was $154 million. So payroll increased $41 million while revenue increased $88 million. Sooooo what was your point about Art not making money?
Melvin McMurf
@JMAC70…….you smoking crack when you pulled those numbers out of your a$$
ocregister.com/articles/city-528477-stadium-angels…
stymeedone
Revenue is not profit. Payroll is only part of costs. How much have costs gone up during that time? Insurance has gone up. Healthcare has gone up. Scouting has become global. Travel has gone up. Incomplete info provides suspect conclusions.
angelsforever
Artie is the biggest Liar in Baseball. I have never seen a person who talks in circles, platitudes and lies like him..
Go back and read his quote in the LA TIMES when he hired Jerry DiPoto. “Jerry has complete power”….Artie lied to his GM on day 1.
angelsfansince74
And Jerry Dipoto proved to anyone with a brain his first 2 years that he didn’t know what he was doing. Trade 5 minor league players which one of them was top 5 prospect at ss, for a 2 month rental. Traded Walden for a guy that was jealous of Weavers fast ball. Refused to trade for bull pen help. Declined the Rockies offer of CarGo for Shoemaker straight up last May. Wouldn’t give Grienke the 6th year on his contract offer. So yeah keep thinking that Dipoto knows what he is doing. Hell Scioscia had to go over Dipoto to Arte Moreno or the Angels wouldn’t even have Street because Dipoto thought the Angels didn’t need him. Just like the Angels didn’t need CarGo.
ssowl
When did I say revenue = profit?
I fail to see costs rising exponentially, especially at the rate profits are rising.
jmac70
im not smoking crack. losangeles.sbnation.com/los-angeles-angels/2011/12…
jmac70
Melvin, that link is what the city made. doesn’t say anything about what Arte made or even talk about the tv deal
Ayy-Aron
Jmac70… You are the man! After is a billionaire, he even gets paid from entrepreneur days still.
angelsforever
Artie orchestrated the Greinke deal and declined the length of the deal to keep him. That was ALL Artie.
As far as CarGo I do NOT know…but if that’s the case then DiPoto blew it.
Bottom l.ine is that when artie said “jerry has complete power”…he was, as usual, lying thru his teeth.
bew1951
You know what else would help the Angels stay under the salary cap? Quit playing declining players millions and millions of dollars to be a platoon player FOR A DIVISION RIVAL. Just a thought. I’m probably not as smart as old Arte.
pinballwizard1969
I think Arte Moreno is telling a “white” lie when he says it’s never been about the Luxury Tax.
Philliesfan4life
It’s always been about the luxury tax, first I thought he said he would go over the luxury tax for the right players and he never did. I can understand if he doesn’t want to get burned again by another contract, but I don’t see the angels winning 90 games this year unless they play better then what experts have them at.
stymeedone
That is what usually happens with every playoff team. You never hear how the team made the playoffs while underperforming. It takes a few career years and a breakout performance or two, while staying healthy.
angelsforever
“white” lie??? All Artie has done since day one is lie to us. He lies about everything.
When he signed Josh Hamilton he was asked by the media if he put a clause in the contract for drugs. Artie said NO WAY, he didnt need it because he “knew Josh”.
Of course when Josh relapsed, Artie changed 180* saying he had “recourse”!
Or when he signed DiPoto, Artie said, “jerry has complete power”…hahahaha
pinballwizard1969
On a side note the Angels 2 highest paid players Wilson and Weaver will be FA’s after the 2016. It’s doubtful the Angels would make either one a QO which after the 2016 season be somewhere between $16.5 and $17MM. Now that’s less then either makes currently but do the Angels want to risk one or both accepting a QO. If either player were to turn down a QO I think they might find themselves in the same boat as Gallardo this season. Waiting and waiting for an acceptable offer. Which lead me to another point.
The Angels have by all accounts the worst farm system in baseball. So they would seem to have only 2 ways to improve that farm system.
1) Trade someone who could bring in young talent in the short term and for the future
2) Get really really aggressive in the International Signing Period and not worry about penalties.
Regardless of how the Angels perform this season their short term future does NOT look very bright.
Philliesfan4life
Yea after trading Newcomb and Ellis the future looks very dim for them, they might have this three year window of trying to win now, but out of wilson and weaver, I could see weaver coming back on a short term deal, He’s an angel for life imo. maybe by next year baldoquin is ready and we could trade simmons to bring back some young players.
pinballwizard1969
The trouble with a team acquiring Simmons is owed quite a bit of money for a defensive primarily player. He’s owed $47MM for 2017 through 2020. That’ seems like a lot of money for a guy with basically no offensive threat. And add on top of that a team would have to give up prospects/players to get him. I have my doubts about what he would bring in to the Angels if they traded him.
stymeedone
Weaver will be the next Lincecum.
Lance
I’m sure the Halos believe they will compete so getting rid of CJ is a bad idea right now. HOWEVER….if LA is ten games out in June and CJ is pitching well…sure, make a deal. Weaver has had a very good career with the team but if he goes 7-12 with a 4.64 ERA again, he’s gone.
pinballwizard1969
CJ Wilson is scheduled to make $20MM in 2016 If the Angels decided to trade Wilson at the 2016 trade deadline for whatever reason he still would be due about $9MM +/- for the rest of the year. Again that’s a lot of money for an acquiring team to pick up as a rental for a 35 year old plus give up a prospect or 2.
Philliesfan4life
I hope Weaver can have a big bounce back season, I think he could of been pitching hurt all last year and never said anything to the team. Hopefully he comes back to his 2014 form and so does richards and shoemaker, I hope wilson is healthy and also bounces back
Diablo 2
10 games out in June? I’m still going for it. I’d still trade Wilson though regardless if we are up by ten or down by ten.
double
Well, Albert Pujols is kinda their highest paid player. Billy Eppler is in a tough spot. His team isn’t good enough to win this year but there wasn’t much he could do for the future. He did jettison four 30+ year old starters in Freese, Aybar, Joyce, and Iannetta, but he replaced two of them with older players in Gentry/Nava and Escobar. His other older players (Pujols, Wilson, Weaver) are pretty much unmovable.
It isn’t his fault the farm system is bare. He didn’t have to trade his top two prospects but Simmons is still young. It might be smart to trade a young controllable player like Calhoun to fill multiple holes. Without farm help it won’t get better next year unless they do something like that.
Philliesfan4life
Since the angels didn’t want to add a bat to protect trout this season might be a long season but I hope I’m wrong
pinballwizard1969
When I mentioned Wilson and Weaver as the Angels highest paid players I was kind of referring to guys that would become FA’s after the 2016 season that were QO eligible but not likely to get one.
A'sfaninUK
Literally the only thing Eppler can do to save this franchise is to trade Trout.
Or wait for the massive FA crop in 2018/19. Until then, they are going to be the worst team in the AL easily. They have zero depth and zero farm, those are the two things every great team has.
bkbkbk
We missed the playoffs by a single game and our Pitching should be markedly better next year. Cool it chicken little.
nookster
It’s about the money if it’s not about the money.
Bighert
The Angels aren’t in as bad of shape as some might think. Granted they are starting to look like the Yankees of a few years ago (cano being their young star with a bunch of old bad contracts on their hands and a depleted farm system) but trout is simply the best overall player in the league hands down and they do have some young pieces there in Richards, Heaney, and Calhoun. Eppler is a very bright man he will figure it out. As a Yankees fan I was hoping he would be our gm of the future but the Angels did a good job in bringing in one of the best young baseball minds. He will work it out and they will be an AL powerhouse again a lot sooner then you think
A'sfaninUK
Moreno is one of the worst GM’s in history and should have been fired years ago. The Angels will remain hapless as long as he and his bff Scioscia remain in the organization. Just a completely toxic duo who both have done countless things that would have gotten them removed from their position had they been in a different organization. The Angels could easily end up as the worst team in the AL this year. Imagine what a Trout injury does to them? 100 losses, easily. The A’s and M’s are leaving them in the dust and the Astros and Rangers are in a completely different class to them. The Angels are a shamefully-run franchise that MLB should step in and take over until the owners can find suitable replacements.
A'sfaninUK
Oops, I meant “owner” not GM in regards to Moreno, my last sentence should validate that typo.
He’s worse than Loria at this point.
stymeedone
No one is worse than Loria. EVER.
Diablo 2
Oh please. Arte has been with the team for its best years and now he is a horrible owner because […] hit the fan and didn’t go as planned. Its life. Not everything goes as planned. Artes plan backfired this time but no one was saying nothing when his plans worked. Also the season hasn’t even started.
NorahW
How can they fire an owner?
ryanw-2
None of this really matters. It’s baseball. You’re on top for a while, then you stink.
I think the #1 issue surrounding the Angels is the fact that it IS baseball, and we’re in a different era than when they were making the playoffs year after year.
The era of the super team is over. And with that, the Angels, Red Sox, and Yankees all have to figure out how to compete for their playoff spots instead of buying them. Even the Dodgers with their astronomical payroll can barely win 90 games.
The Angels fan base is also in an uproar, not because of the state of the organization, but because for the first time in a decade, things are not going their way…
It’s baseball. And there’s really no lock in any division any way. So it’s going to come down to the historic cliche’ of getting good years out of a bunch of guys and staying healthy.
It would not have mattered if the Angels got Cespedes or Gordon or Upton. They still would have to scratch and claw. It’s just like old times before the steroid era.
And to all the post-2002 Angels fans, welcome to the real world of baseball…