Spring Training is here, but with a few high-profile players still available via free agency and rosters far from settled, the stove is still hot here at MLBTR. Here’s today’s mailbag.
Why hasn’t anyone organized a sign and trade for one of the qualifying offer players? The original team could sign them and trade them for a prospect, saving the acquiring team a draft pick and the former team a prospect. I know they can’t be traded without the player’s consent, but the player would obviously have negotiated the contract with the new team. Or even a team like the Braves signing a QO player (forfeiting their second-rounder) and getting a prospect back. — James M.
It’s too blatantly a means of circumventing the qualifying offer process as stipulated within the Collective Bargaining Agreement. I realize that it’s possible that the Mets will end up trading Alejandro De Aza this spring, but it’s pretty clear to see that New York didn’t think it had a real chance of re-signing Cespedes when De Aza was signed. That they were able to land him a month later after Cespedes’ market didn’t develop the way that his camp hoped, De Aza was relegated to a fifth outfielder, more or less. That’s sub-optimal for team and player, and I think the Commissioner’s Office would be able to see that in approving the trade. Something like the Braves signing Ian Desmond and trading him 24 hours later wouldn’t get that benefit of the doubt.
What are the thoughts on the Blake Snell extension rumors? He hasn’t even made an MLB start. — Zachary H.
The Rays have every incentive to lock Snell up as early as possible if they believe that he’s on a path to becoming a mid-rotation starter or better. Snell is one of the game’s 20 or so best prospects, and by going year to year through the arbitration process with the Rays, he could earn something in the vicinity of $20-25MM over the life of the six years (well, seven, realistically, as the Rays will almost assuredly keep him in the minors for three weeks at the beginning of the season to extend control by one year, barring an extension) that he’s guaranteed to be with the team. There’s huge financial incentive to take a slight risk — previous contracts of this ilk have cost $10-15MM total — in order to lock in most or all of a player’s arbitration years well in advance in exchange for discounted club options on his free-agent seasons. Not only does it potentially give them an above-average starter at a fraction of his market cost (assuming the options come with a relatively modest salary), it gives Tampa Bay a huge trade chip down the line if the team sees fit. If the Rays are confident in their projections of Snell, there’s little reason not to try for some kind of long-term deal. Realistically, this probably goes on with top prospects quite a bit more than we hear about.
From Snell’s perspective, it’s a huge risk; if he has any degree of success, that type of contract will be among the most team-friendly in the game. On the other hand, if he has an injury (as lefty Cory Luebke did when he twice had Tommy John surgery after signing a four-year, $12MM deal after one full season in the Majors) or simply struggles in his initial Major League trials (a la Jon Singleton, who also signed long-term prior to his MLB debut), then he comes out quite a bit ahead of where he’d have otherwise been. It’s always a balance of the human factors that drive the player to seek his first fortune and the business reasons for betting on himself.
Now that the A’s have their #4 power hitter in Khris Davis, will they finally be viewed as legit team that can make the playoffs? — Ross K.
With all due respect to Davis and the A’s, adding another 25- to 30-homer bat doesn’t really change a huge amount for me in terms of their projections. I’m still concerned with Oakland’s patchwork options at the infield corners and Billy Butler at DH. And, in the rotation, there’s virtually no certainty beyond Sonny Gray. I’m a fan of Jesse Hahn’s ability, but he’s shown clear durability issues, and beyond him the A’s will rely on Kendall Graveman, Chris Bassitt, Rich Hill, Aaron Brooks and still-injured starters Jarrod Parker and Henderson Alvarez to round out the rotation. Sean Manaea could eventually help in 2016, but they have a lot that needs to go right. I think the AL is deep enough and talented enough (Oakland included) that any of the 15 teams could be a playoff team if you squint, but adding Davis — a left-field only bat with a shaky glove that’s being asked to cover a huge, expansive space — doesn’t put them over the top in any sort of way for me.
Were the Pirates right to keep closer Mark Melancon, or should they have dealt him to save money and to fill a starting pitching need? — Nick C.
If Pittsburgh could’ve flipped Melancon for a starting pitcher as they did with the comparably priced Neil Walker, that would have been my preferred route. That said, there’s no direct evidence such a possibility was available to the Pirates, and it’s hard to know what Melancon’s market might have been. Two other top closers in Craig Kimbrel and Ken Giles returned impressive trade packages this winter, but Melancon’s market might have been complicated somewhat by the presence of Kimbrel, Giles, Aroldis Chapman and others potentially available. And as MLBTR’s Charlie Wilmoth has noted elsewhere, the current mini-trend of building super-bullpens (as Boston has done with Kimbrel, Koji Uehara, Junichi Tazawa and Carson Smith and the the Yankees have done with Chapman, Andrew Miller and Dellin Betances) seems based in large part on acquiring pitchers who rack up strikeouts. That’s not Melancon — as great as he was last season, his strikeout rate fell to 7.3 K/9, and his average fastball velocity dipped as well, although he remained excellent at inducing ground balls and limiting walks. I’m sure there are 29 other teams that would love to have Melancon in their bullpen, but it’s unclear how many might have been willing to pay the kind of price the Pirates would have wanted.
Are we undervaluing the addition of Andrelton Simmons for the Angels? It’s a major acquisition that seemingly flew under the radar because the majority of the value is tied to defense. He’s likely a three- to four-win improvement at shortstop with the glove alone. Isn’t it difficult to quantify how much his defense really helps the team? — Jacob S.
I don’t think anyone undervalued the improvement that came with adding Simmons at the time of the deal. The buzz surrounding him has somewhat cooled now, though, due to the Angels’ still-glaring question marks at second base and in left field. Had the Halos added another legitimate infielder or added a left field bat following the acquisition of Simmons, there’d probably be quite a bit more hype surrounding the additions made by Billy Eppler and his staff this offseason. I don’t know that I agree with Simmons being a four-win improvement over Erick Aybar, but I do feel that he’s a notable upgrade, and even though they parted with Sean Newcomb to get him, the trade has significant long-term value for the Angels. All that said, the reason it’s drawing less attention now is that the Angels kicked their winter off with a bang but followed with virtually no moves of consequence. Right or wrong, that’s going to cause the move to be overshadowed.
To me the Reds make a good fit for Austin Jackson. Would a one-year deal in the range of $5MM plus an option do it? Jackson would give the Reds depth, flexibility, decent leadoff insurance, and with a good season, a trade target for a prospect. Your thoughts? — Brian F.
I don’t know that Jackson is signing for as little as $5MM — Juan Uribe just got about that much despite being eight years older — and adding the option wouldn’t be something that Jackson or agent Scott Boras would want if they do settle on a one-year deal. If it’s a one-year deal, it’ll be one signed with an eye toward retrying on next year’s weak market.
As for the Reds’ end of the equation, while there’s sense to it, they haven’t really shown the desire to add veterans on big league deals, especially not ones that will potentially take time away from younger players. The Reds still need to get Billy Hamilton regular playing time with the hope that he can develop some semblance of OBP skills, and they want to get long looks at players like Adam Duvall, Scott Schebler and, eventually, Jesse Winker. The presence of Jay Bruce will stand in the way of those players getting at-bats somewhat as it is, and adding Jackson to the mix will only add another roadblock. On paper, I agree that there’s some sense to your scenario for the Reds, but it doesn’t seem realistic in the end.
socalbum
Regarding question of sign-and-trade, aren’t teams prevented from trading a FA until June 15?
WisBrave 2
A player can give permission to be traded before then.
Philliesfan4life
When the angels trade for Simmons, I was shocked and did not see the move coming. But I was not happy they had to give up Newcomb. They started off good with this trade but then after they didn’t add a bat like Cespedes or Upton
Diablo 2
We should have added Heyward.
ryanmesick
I love this site, you guys do an amazing job. One of my favorite sites on the web.
However, please consider removing the question you posted today, as it vastly takes away from both your credibility and insight. The above question of:
“Now that the A’s have their #4 power hitter………..will they finally be viewed as legit team that can make the playoffs?”
With all apologies Ross K., how do you define “finally?” The Oakland A’s missed the playoffs for the first time in four years in 2015. They had reached the postseason from 2012-2014, leading the AL in WINS during that three year stretch and adding two more division titles to their extremely crowded trophy case. Will they “finally be viewed as a team that can make the playoffs?” Well, they finally were as recently as 2 years ago!
I will answer both questions: they may miss the playoffs again in 2016, but they will be more competitive than people think and I’m betting the OVER win total all day long. You may have to wait one more year Ross., as many of their stud prospect will be ML ready in 2017. But again, “finally?” Finally is what the Blue Jays waited for and finally got in 2015. “Finally” is what the Kansas City fans waited for. What Pitt and Houston and Giants and Nationals fans all waited for, etc. etc.
RunDMC
Finally get a life.
ryanmesick
Yikes. This place used to be the home of intellectual discourse regarding MLB, and now a statement of fact correcting a fallacy rooted in ‘prisoner of the moment stereotypes,’ gets this response. Nice man, great response!
Can’t say that I’ve “finally’ got a life (I’ve always had a great one). The above post of fact took about 1 minute during my workday, this response here taking another. Now lets see, how can I use ‘finally’ here? I can say after years of hard work I’ve lately, despite my young age, had enough money to travel the World – lucky enough to travel around the world and across this great country over the past three years, and guess what I ‘FINALLY’ do? Rock my Oakland A’s hat, sometimes an array of Oakland A’s shirts, sometimes a jersey. I rock it in Africa, New Zealand, Australia, Chicago, Wisconsin, Arizona, Philly, North Carolina, Hawaii, and up and down beautiful California. That is called pride. Pride comes from winning franchises. And as you should know (yet i question from your comment history) the Oakland A’s are one of the proudest winning franchises in the history of the sport.
Ok, ‘finally’ done. Two minutes of my day wasted. Actually yikes, that took like three. Need to get a life! Take care and study up man, use caution not to spit against the wind.
kiwimlbfan
Dude, hope you enjoyed New Zealand.
metsoptimist
First of all, it sounded to me like the question referred to how the As have been viewed this offseason. Secondly, how does responding to a question take away from MLBTR’s “credibility and insight”?
ryanmesick
Yeah, you are right. Shouldn’t have come in so hot on what was, on the surface, and viewed in the scope on this off-season, a good question. My apologies to Ross on taking aim at his use of “finally.’ In the scope of this off-season it is a fine question. The use of ‘finally’ really had me thrown, however, as the current debates here in the BAY Area use a similar tone, The narrative that all is lost in Oakland after their first bad year since 1997…..it gets tiring and is hard to understand such logic, dismissing the fact the A’s had much success as little as two years ago. Again, my apologies Ross.
And kiwimlbfan, New Zealand is/was amazing, what a beautiful country.
And as I said in my original post, and still stand by, this is “One of my favorite sites on the web.”
jd396
So much for intellectual discourse. Get over yourself, dude. Griping about the phraseology in someone’s question out of the mailbag pretty much negates any credibility and insight you might have had. Buy me something the next time you’re gallivanting through some exotic locale.
ad29
Davis also has plenty of range. He just has a noodle arm. Does he make the A’s competitive? Probably not. It would just be easier to trust their analysis if they did more than glance at dwar and decide he couldn’t cover left field in oakland (especially next to burns).
jchiaratti
My thoughts pretty much as well. I pretty much agreed with his entire last sentence, IF he removed the part about “left-field only with a shaky glove being asked to cover an expansive space”. LF in the O.Co isn’t an “expansive space”. That’s confusing the large foul territory coupled with the fact that it’s a hitters park. with a large OF to cover. It’s not the dimensions in Oakland, it’s the marine layer (which is why it’s kind of a launching pad in hotter weather day games). That comment also does what you mention, and just looks at a stat that says he’s a poor defender and doesn’t know the reason as to why (and to which I argue that his arm doesn’t have that large of an effect at the end of the day).
Phillies2017
How would the sign and trade hurt anyone. The team losing the player still gets the pick
The team acquiring the player loses a prospect.
Everyones happy.
This also expands the market for future QO players.