Early last month, the Giants agreed to terms on a long-term contract with veteran righty Jeff Samardzija. Two weeks later, the Cardinals agreed to terms with another veteran righty, Mike Leake. The two contracts were identical in duration (five years) and similar in value ($90MM for Samardzija, $80MM for Leake). They were also interrelated — the Giants were the team that most recently employed Leake before the Cardinals signed him, while the Cardinals were connected to Samardzija before the Giants signed him. Both pitchers were a tier below David Price, Zack Greinke, Johnny Cueto and Jordan Zimmermann, all of whom received nine-figure deals. Beyond those similarities, however, lie a number of key differences about what, exactly, their contracts attempted to accomplish.
Of the two pitchers, Samardzija is widely perceived as having greater upside — with his mid-90s velocity, tough slider and 6’5″ frame, many of his attributes match those of an ace. He will, however, be 31 this month, and his performances so far in his career have not matched that ace profile. His 2015 season with the White Sox, in particular, was extremely disappointing — he posted a 4.96 ERA, and while ERA estimators suggested that figure could have been somewhat better, his K/9 has plummeted from 9.3 in 2012 to 6.9 last season, while his ground ball rate fell to a mere 39%.
On the bright side, Samardzija has been one of the game’s most durable starters, throwing over 210 innings in each of the past three seasons. And as long as he stays healthy, he seems likely to get at least somewhat better results in the next few years than he got in 2015, when he had to pitch in front of a poor defense and in a tough ballpark in a DH league. Samardzija’s 2015 season wasn’t a good one, but it also represented something of a perfect storm. But the error bar on Samardzija’s future performance is large, and where he lands might depend somewhat on Giants coaches’ ability to help him get back to missing bats, and to inducing ground balls when he doesn’t.
Like Samardzija, Leake has reliably eaten innings. Unlike Samardzija, he’s been very consistent, posting ERAs well below four in each of the last three seasons and regularly inducing ground balls at around a 50% clip. He also limits walks, which prevents opposing batters from doing too much damage against him, and he helps himself by fielding and hitting very well. Leake is also one of the offseason’s youngest free agents — he only turned 28 in November and could well have several prime-era seasons ahead. Also, his contract is worth $10MM less than Samardzija’s (although Samardzija’s limited no-trade clause is preferable to Leake’s full no-trade).
If Samardzija looks like an ace, though, Leake looks like something far less than that. While he isn’t quite a soft-tosser, his stuff isn’t at all overwhelming, and he’s small, at 5’10” — Leake isn’t a lefty, but he’s always seemed like he should be one. Leake has obviously reached the point in his career where it’s wise to judge him more on his performance record than on his profile, but not all the indicators there are positive, either. While Samardzija’s ability to strike batters out has diminished in recent seasons, Leake has never really had that ability, and his K/9 dropped to a mere 5.6 in 2015. Career paths are hard to predict, but it’s difficult to imagine Leake becoming anything close to an ace as he gets older. He does, however, seem more likely than Samardzija to provide league-average innings over the course of his contract.
So which contract do you prefer? Which player’s deal was best for his team?
christian18cutshaw
Samardzija’s ceiling is a lot higher, but at the same time his floor is a lot lower.. If I were a GM and had to pick between the two contracts I’d go with Leake just because his consistency keeps him on the safe side. But with a GM that’s willing to gamble like the Giants they could be getting an ace for the price of a 3-4 starter if Samardzija hits his ceiling, so this ones really a tough call.
Phillies2017
With Leake, you pretty much know what you’re getting– probably an ERA about 3.80-4.10 with a solid number of starts and decent peripherals
Shark is as hot-and-cold as they come. One day you may be getting Ace Shark, the next day you get mr. 6 ERA so I think the Leake deal is better
Phillies2017
My apologies, My numbers were slightly inaccurate
For Leake you can expect an ERA of about 3.70
TJECK109
Why is Samardzija looked at like an ace? He put together one solid season but other than that he has a career era over 4. If you want to say he is an ace because of one solid season then JA Happ is a cy young candidate based on his second half last season.
Matt Rox
I totally agree. If you were to check my tweets right after Samardzija signed. I went crazy. Giving a guy who had 1 good season 90 million is crazy. The dude is the most overrated pitcher in MLB since the 1800’s. NO exaggeration there. He makes money because he’s a tall pitcher with facial hair. He came of a season where he led MLB in runs allowed , hits allowed, and HR allowed. AND on top of all that, he’s 31 years old.
WHAT HYPE?
End of discussion.
Kapler's Coconut Oil
Nothing to look at here, just Matt Rox being Matt Rox
hooligan
Samardzija (besides 2015) has been above average to excellent in every season he’s spent as a starter, which is not that many. He was a solid to excellent reliever, then at the beginning an above average starter. His progression of consecutively better seasons leading up to ’15 showed that he could be sub 3.00
starter. Or maybe he’s not. But he could. These predictions aren’t coming out of nowhere.
tommyboy2135
Are you high? When he was with the Cubs as a young guy he was eh he had one good year as a starter which is the year we traded him lol he’s got good stuff but needs the right coaching or team
MB923
“Samardzija (besides 2015) has been above average to excellent in every season he’s spent as a starter, which is not that many”
He only has a 6.7 rWAR in 4 seasons as a starter and he’s only reached a 2.0 WAR Once.
christian18cutshaw
He’s looked at as an ace because of his stuff AND he’s a work horse. When he’s healthy and on his game with all his stuff, he IS an ace.
tommyboy2135
The sad part is his good season was with the Cubs lol if you have a good season with the Cubs something is wrong with you and you’ll never play well again believe me I know I’ve been watching them my whole life lol but seriously can you say over pay the Cubs wanted to sign him but as a number 4 guy and the wanted him for like at or under 10 mill a year.
cardfan2011
Thats tough, but the Cardinals made the right call on signing Leake. Sure hes not an ace, but hes a solid innings-eater who gets ground balls. He really fits well with the Cardinals
Matt Rox
“All it takes nowadays is a tall starting pitcher with facial hair, and they can get 90 million bucks as long as they are alive”
-Jeff Samardizija’s mom (or agent, maybe)
hooligan
I think only time will tell on this one.
stymeedone
Really? Ya think?
Triples Alley
Yeah, as a Giants fan, I was more impressed with Leake’s bat than his arm. He’ just didn’t look comfortable at AT&T. I like Samardizija’s upside. Both are guys that will eat up some innings. I was looking for the Giants to get Leake when they blind-sided me with the Cueto signing. I think both clubs did well, and that’s just what it costs now-a-days.
kbarr888
I just hope that signing Samardzija & Cueto doesn’t mean that there’s no money left for a decent bat. Giants need a guy like Cespedes, Davis, or Upton in the middle of the lineup…..somebody who can bolster the power numbers. Davis is the most expensive of the bunch, but offers the most consistent offense. Cespedes has a cannon for an arm, and a huge bat (1st choice easily). Offer him a 3/66 deal, with an option for a 4th yr at $24 mil, …………..or piggy back the 3/66 with a 3/70 mil option instead. Decide after 3 years if he’s worth keeping…..but somehow, get his bat in the lineup!
beajd27
As an orioles fan I can definitely say davis and consistent should not be in the same sentence. He goes on these hot streaks where he is unbelievable, and conversely goes on cold streaks where you cringe every at bat.
amv
Also, Leake didn’t cost the Cards a Draft Pick. That’s big value in today’s game.
(Probably that’s why he got the full no-trade clause, thou).
SFgiantsUK
Everyone looks at 2015 season for Samardzija and goes on an on, 4.90 ERA, horrible in CHW, didn’t do good in OAK to a degree. Maybe he is an NL guy. I doubt Samardzija will have another season like 2015, he has a better pitcher park, unlike the US Cellular Field, which is a HR gold mine. Plus he has Posey, Belt, Panik, Crawford and Duffy, unlike the shocking CHW defence.
I am going to guess he should be Sub-3.50 ERA, 210 IP and 180ks
Furthermore whenever I have had Leake in my fantasy team he was a disappointment. And I always traded him in whenever he had a decent run, and then he should you he was mediocre, I think Samardzija is a step ahead, and SF made the correct move in signing him over Leake.
Similarly doubt that Grienke will repeat 2015. So I preferred Giants got Cueto and the Shark instead of Grienke. Rather have 30 wins and 15 Quality starts in 66 games than 18 wins and 5 Qualitystarts. With the same/similar amount of money!
andrewc62
Screw the both of them, underrated signing imo, even though he’s a huge name, is Johnny Cueto, he adds so much to Giants, way more then Shark could ever think of adding. the Giants are retooled and ready to win, their rotation is scary good and it’s an even year so it’s the Giants year
xtraflamy
Why is this not in the Giants feed?
ctorg
Like many others, I scratch my head at the idea that Samardzija is some kind of ace. If he hasn’t put it together yet, he probably isn’t going to get much better. Sure, it’s possible, but it’s very far from likely.
Maybe the Giants felt that they needed someone to replace Barry Zito (that is, a pitcher with a big, long contract who can put up mediocre numbers for them).
socalbaseballdude
Better contract for Leake…he is much more consistent and is also a good hitting pitcher. Samardzija is too inconsistent for my taste……the only positive for him is that the Giants D will save him countless times.
crazymountain
I wish my Cubs had signed Leake, as I thought he was one of the most effective pitchers in the Division. He would have been perfect for Wrigley. I think that he would have been a better signing than Zobrist, who is, in my opinion, a bad replacement for Castro. If they needed to dump Castro’s salary, they could have gotten a lot more value for Starlin. So they traded Castro for a pitcher the same age as Leake, who is an unproven quantity and a different utility infielder, when they could have had Leake (or Zimmerman, for that matter). I’m not understanding the thinking of the Cubs’ front office.
Jeff Jones
Zobrist is a far better player than Castro. BZ is more consistent, has more power can play more positions and is a switch hitter. What you get with SC is errors and hot and cold batting. Just last season SC was practically given away but no one bit.
padam
Personally, if I were the GM for either team, I’d have passed on both pitchers. High price tags and many years on those contracts – the commitment is too long.
I’d have spent the money on a player like Gordon – with whom would work nicely for either team, and look to trade with someone who has some pitching to move, such as the Indians or Mets.
sigurd 2
I’d take Leake any day of the week – yeah, he has a much lower ceiling, but hes the essence of reliability from IP to ERA. You know exactly what you are getting and that is more important to me in a long FA contract.
He is also probably the third best hitting pitcher in the NL behind Greinke and Bumgarner, so there is that as well.
22Leo
Signing Samarddjiza made many fans who are not Giants fans breathe a sigh of relief. He has been overrated for years and just got heavily overpaid. Leake is probably a better pitcher who would have thrived in SF, given the fact that Bochy himself said he wanted him back. Samarjiza just looks like a bad signing with all things considered. That includes his track record, potential replacements and the fact that he will likely be pitching in a better scenario than last season.
22Leo
On a side note, I misplace ‘d’s sometimes…
stymeedone
Smard just doesn’t know how to pitch better than the other guy. He doesn’t know how to win.
moonshine
No mention of Leake’s contract value potentially reaching $94 million with incentives. Face value of the contract is $80 million. For a guy without strikeout stuff, that’s a pretty penny. I’ll take Shark with a good pitching coach in a pitchers ballpark any day.
king joffrey
As Shark will attest, the White Sox were notoriously deficient in defending the home run.
therealryan
I expect Shark to be better next year and maybe year 2, but over the next 5 years I’d be surprised if Leake wasn’t significantly better. By year 4 I don’t think Shark will even be worthy of a rotation spot anymore and would be better off in the BP. Leake being 3 years younger is huge on a 5 year deal.
thedappergent
With the right pitching coach Shark might be able to really take off. At worst, he hits 200 IP with a ~4.00 ERA each year, and in that case, he delivers value roughly equal to or somewhat south of the payout of the contract. He doesn’t have a lot of “miles” or injury history on his arm.
In the past couple of years, he’s produced a walk rate significantly lower than his career average, which is one prime issue that eludes a lot hurlers. How his ground ball and strikeout rates plummeted, and hit rate skyrocketed seems mysterious; I haven’t seen any reports of diminished velocity yet. Although he was a mess last year, that lowered walk rate helps significantly..
obsessivegiantscompulsive
In Samardzija’s case, some reasons for his poor 2015 has been given. Most of all, he reported in his signing press conference that late in the season he started tipping off his pitches and that he didn’t figure it out until his last two starts. In addition, his pitching coach said that it was his fault the Shark did not do well, though he did not get into specifics. If you took out his first start as an outlier due to him pitching for his boyhood team, he had a sub 4 ERA past the All Star break, 3.79 ERA, then had the tipping issue starting in August. Even with his first start, it was under 4.
I agree that there is a lot of risk he won’t turn out but in the overall picture, I like the Giants taking this risk. Sure, Shark vs Leake don’t look that good, but with Cueto in hand, the Giants have Shark slotted for 3rd in rotation, and per fWAR, he is roughly that, but if the coaches plus ball park plus defense gets him to be closer to 2014 than 2015, that’s way better than Leake would ever do and would give the Giants three aces to go with Bumgarner and Cueto.
Within this context, Shark’s deal is the better one for the Giants than Leake, and I say that as a fan who has been hoping the Giants would sign Leake since we traded for him. It all depends on the context, if you want steady production, which is what I would have wanted if the Giants signed only one guy, Leake would have been the better choice. But with Cueto in hand, the Giants could take the risk for greatness that Samardzija represents, as they are clearly going all in for 2016-2017 to win another one and perhaps repeat. Leake is reliably solid, but not likely to be as dominant as Samardzija could be, and with him the Giants would be competitive but not that great. With Shark, the Giants are going for the rings.
That is why I expect another significant signing for LF, no $6M or less man, but at least $10M, because they have manipulated their cash payroll to still have a lot of space to pick up a salary in the $10-15M range. They are already all in, paying the threshold penalty per Baer.
Eric 28
I don’t think that you can appropriately compare these two contracts without mentioning the qualifying offer that Samardzija was attached to while Leake was not.
The qualifying offer probably decrease the amount of money Samardzija made while the lack of the offer increased the bargaining position of Leake. If they seem like different pitchers with similar contracts it’s probably because the loss of, or no loss of, makes up some of the differences in their contracts.
Samardzija was lucky to get the deal he got when you look at the year he had last year, his age and the fact that he has taken a lot more physical punishment than a typical MLB pitcher (playing a skill position in high level college football). The downgrade of similar “aces” like Doug Fister, Mat Latos and I don’t think that you can appropriately compare these two contracts without mentioning the qualifying offer that Samardzija was attached to while Leake was not.
The qualifying offer probably decrease the amount of money Samardzija made while the lack of the offer increased the bargaining position of Leake. If they seem like different pitchers with similar contracts it’s probably because the loss of, or no loss of, makes up some of the differences in their contracts.
Samardzija was lucky to get the deal he got when you look at the year he had last year, his age and the fact that he has taken a lot more physical punishment than a typical MLB pitcher (playing a skill position in high level college football). The downgrade of similar former “aces” like Doug Fister, Mat Latos and Tim Lincecum, combined with the qualifying offer, forced Samardzija to take the best five year deal out there that gave him a good to chance to win.
Leake on the other hand was at his peak. He is a younger, consistent pitcher who knows the NL Central well. He won’t be a possibly Games 1, 4 and 7 starter of the World Series like Samardzija could be, but he will be a solid number 3 or 4 starter on a playoff team.
Leake had everything going for him this offseason, while Samardzija has everything working against him.
willreily
Don’t forget leake will be 28 the entire season and Shark will be 31 for the entire season. Three years younger gives you leverage when negotiating the kind of contract you want.
mrnatewalter
Leake has also thrown 100 more innings in his career than Samardzija.
Will Jl.
If your gauging which pitcher (the contracts/$ is moot) is going to be more valuable on that particular team and in that rotation…
I think looking at it right now, Samardzija is more valuable to the Giants than Leake is to the Cards.
If you base it on the team’s starting depth, talent, age, window of contention: Giants, at least in the short term, have improved more from where they stand without him/or before acquiring him.
Bank On It
Leake By far he’s consistent and has one of the better bats for pitchers
Bank On It
When you say poll can we actually get one to vote
aaryque2003
Samardzija, easily. Put a competent defense behind him and his numbers would look a lot better. According to FIP, his “disastrous” 2015 was pretty much Leake’s normal.