Earlier today, the Yankees made a drastic move to upgrade the bullpen, acquiring Aroldis Chapman from the Reds in exchange for a four-player package including third baseman Eric Jagielo, right-hander Rookie Davis, right-hander Caleb Cotham and second baseman Tony Renda. Given the domestic abuse allegations surrounding Chapman and the Yankees’ newfound bulk of elite relievers, there are no shortage of reactions to to this move. Here are some of the early reaction pieces and ripple effects from the trade…
- Yankees GM Brian Cashman spoke to the media shortly after the trade was announced and said his “intent” is to hang onto Andrew Miller and Dellin Betances, using both in conjunction with Chapman at the back of the bullpen (via ESPN New York’s Wallace Matthews). Wallace notes that Cashman could eventually change course and move Miller, perhaps in a trade for a controllable starter (while also shedding some payroll), though Cashman himself gave no indication of such a scenario playing out. The YES Network’s Jack Curry, in fact, tweets that Cashman said he called Miller shortly after the news broke and said he intends to keep all three relievers.
- As MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch writes, Cashman said the Yankees did as much due diligence as possible in looking into Chapman’s legal troubles and the possible suspension he faces from commissioner Rob Manfred under MLB’s new domestic violence policy. Cashman somewhat delicately noted that the asking price on Chapman has been “modified” in light of the allegations — that is to say, it has dropped significantly — which led the Yankees to make the acquisition. Said Cashman: “Certainly there are some serious issues here that are in play. I think it’s certainly reflected in some of the acquisition price. There’s risk, and I understand that. … We’ve done as much due diligence on the subject at hand as we possibly can, and we’ve completed the transaction based on a lot of that due diligence.”
- Just how much has the price dropped? Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears that the Reds wanted Aaron Judge and one of Luis Severino or Gary Sanchez at the trade deadline. Sherman also looks atáthe reasons for the Yankees’ pursuit of Chapman in spite of the allegations, noting that the trade creates a potentially historic bullpen trio, helps to protect a fragile rotation, preserves the Yankees’ top prospects and changes the narrative that the team is not spending this offseason in an effort to win now. (Although, the trade certainly creates the opportunity to launch a far less flattering narrative.) Owner Hal Steinbrenner offered the following comment when asked by Sherman: “I approved the trade after significant thought and research, as I do with any significant trade.”
- Within his piece, Sherman notes that a suspension is most likely forthcoming for Chapman, but it will probably be “more in the 10-25 game range” than the 40-plus games that would cost Chapman his shot at free agency next winter. (Chapman currently has five years, 34 days of MLB service, meaning that if he misses 46 days of the regular season, he’d fall shy of six years of service and miss out on free agency eligibility.)
- The Yankees have built a laughably good bullpen on paper, writes Fangraphs’ Jeff Sullivan, who notes that the Steamer projection system now forecasts that the Yankees will have far and away the game’s best bullpen in terms of wins above replacement. However, he also notes that the upgrade might not be quite as drastic as some would think, because while Chapman comes with quite a bit of name value, the actual difference between him and lefty Justin Wilson, who departed in a trade after an excellent season, isn’t as stark as many might expect.
- ESPN’s Keith Law writes (Insider subscription required) that the Reds “must have wanted to get rid” of Chapman, because the package they received isn’t exactly inspiring. Law calls the package “all quantity but little quality,” noting that Davis has the chance to be an average MLB starter (roughly a No. 4 starter, he specifies) and Cotham can pitch in the bullpen right now. Jagielo will hit for some power but can’t play third base, in Law’s estimation, and has plenty of injury issues. The Reds didn’t get enough for a player of Chapman’s caliber, Law opines, but he also feels that the Yankees are sending the wrong message by acquiring a player with Chapman’s allegations hanging over his head.
- The Reds aren’t done trading after this move, president of baseball operations Walt Jocketty told reporters, including C. Trent Rosecrans of the Cincinnati Enquirer. Jocketty said that the Reds will make more moves “if we can,” and he wouldn’t close the door on potentially trading Brandon Phillips even after the veteran invoked his no-trade clause to block a move to the Nationals earlier this month. (Jocketty did note that it’s likely Phillips will be with the team in 2016, though, adding that he hasn’t spoken to him since the failed Nationals trade.) The trade highlights Jocketty’s desire to add players that are reasonably close to the Major Leagues, Rosecrans writes, as each has already seen action at the Double-A level or higher. “That’s what I’m looking for. I want guys that can help us the next year or two,” said Jocketty. “I told our guys when we were researching different clubs that it’s nice to have guys who are long-range prospects, but we need guys in the next couple of years and that’s why we’re looking more for Double-A and Triple-A guys.” Cotham will probably pitch for the Reds in 2016, Jocketty said, and Jagielo, too, could be with the team next season, even if he has to do so in a bench capacity initially.
- The Yankees are, in some ways, emulating the model that the Royals rode to a championship, writes Barry Svrluga of the Washington Post. The team now boasts a three-headed bullpen monster that rivals Kansas City’s trio of Kelvin Herrera, Wade Davis and Greg Holland, and they’re also prioritizing young, up-the-middle players that can improve their defense (notably, he points out recent acquisitions of Aaron Hicks and Didi Gregorius). The Yankees differ from Kansas City in the sense that their powerhouse bullpen was constructed largely via financial muscle, but the parallels, at least, are there in some regards.
- Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com have updated the list of the Reds’ Top 30 prospects to include both Davis and Jagielo, who rank eighth and ninth, respectively, among Cincinnati farmhands in their eyes.
A'sfaninUK
So the Reds probably could have had Judge and these scrubs, instead they just get scrubs.
I don’t know who’s having a worse offseason, the Reds or Nats? Both appear to be aggressively trying to get the least value from their acquisitions. The Nats hired Baker, tried to trade for a washed up Phillips and gave away a draft pick for the underwhelming Murphy. The Reds are in a rebuild, but really are paying the price for hanging onto guys during a lost 2015 season.
gorav114
It is a close call. The Reds still could have at least got one stud prospect from somewhere. The Nats keep getting in their own way and it looks like nobody wants to play there.
lonechicken
The priority from day 1 of the offseason for the Nats should have been to get rid of Papelbon. Maybe then, the big moves could have worked out a little better, if it really is a perception problem for the clubhouse.
The relievers they brought in are pretty good though.
hanks1hammer
No, they probably couldn’t have had judge. The article stated the price for Chapman was drastically reduced because of the domestic abuse charges.
BoldyMinnesota
I’d give up the 17th overall pick for an above average 2nd baseman. I know he doesnt put them over the top but hes still a good piece to add ro a team trying to make a run
gorav114
The AL East will have some seriously good bullpens. The Yankees trio is probably best but the Red Sox have certainly improved with Kimbrel and I wouldn’t count out the Os bullpen trio of Brach, Oday, and Britton. Add Givens and the Os could end up with the best bullpen in the league.
Drewnasty
Probably the best? Betances/Miller/Chapman combined for 212 IP 1.66 ERA 347K and 93BB with a 14.73 K/9. They are far and beyond the best backend bullpen in all of baseball not just the AL East.
hanks1hammer
Yes..probably. The Red Sox bullpin makes it close
YanksPhan42
The Sox pen is improved, but on no planet is Kimbrel and an 80 year old Uehara “close” to the trio of Chapman, Betances and Miller.
MB923
Don’t underestimate Carson Smith, but nevertheless, their trio doesn’t top the Yankees trio. At least not on paper.
nikogarcia
This has all the chances of becoming a rebirth of the offseason from the White Sox last year. Hahn needs to cut his losses and start a rebuild instead of just putting the team in an even worse spot in the long and short term.
nikogarcia
lol why did i post this here
brandonmarin
Dbacks would probably be interested in Miller. Not sure what the cost would be. Obviously starts with Archie Bradley
southbeachbully
I really take exception with the characterization of Chapman and the Yankees acquisition of him. If the DA’s office felt there wasn’t enough evidence for even a grand jury indictment then we should all drop this “wife beater” narrative. And as far as the firing of a gun, he obviously didn’t shoot AT anyone and I assume he had a permit for it. Does he have possible anger issue? sure.. but we have no insight on him or his nature.
I’ve date women of all nationalities and on occasion I’ve wanted to shake the sugar out of them for things they may have said in anger, and in some instances, when I’ve been slapped, punched, kicked, clawed and other act of provocation. We really don’t know HIS side of things. Maybe he pushed her against the wall to try and stop HER from attacking him.
I was raised NOT to hit a woman unless my life was in danger but I do think women have to stop hitting guys and thinking it I;s ok for them to do that.
This case is NOT like others where there was a charge brought about and the police gave him a slap on the wrist (probation and community service). So who are we to brand him with the wife (or girlfriend” beater tag?
PS- I am a Yanks fan but I felt that way before this trade was announced.
johanstrous
Nothing like a good juicy rationalization to get you through the day is there?
Scott Thorn
LOL…good lord, man. Like johanstrous said, that’s an intense attempt at rationalization.
Goat_Rider
Not really. Charges have been dropped due to lack of evidence. If you read the report, the three accusations were: 1) Chapman’s driver, she was the one to attack him, 2) Chapman himself, he poked her in the shoulder and warned her to which she threw herself on the ground and started screaming, and 3) the girlfriend, who said she was choked to which the police on scene dismissed as lacking in evidence. Girlfriend’s brother also stated he saw no physical altercation. She appears to be a liar. Chapman also dated a woman in 2012 who was arrested for a fake police report regarding a burglary in which she was found to be an accomplice. Chapman needs to stop dating gold diggers, stop shooting guns in his house to blow off steam, and apaprently, according to multiple noise violations citations, needs to turn down the music.
hanks1hammer
I think southbeach is making some legitimate points. We really don’t know that much about what happened. Maybe we should reserve judgment. I don’t know about rationalization but that certainly sounds rational
everlastingdave
He didn’t shoot *at* anyone so firing a gun during a fight with his woman is a-ok. Dude. If this guy didn’t have that K-rate and that ERA, you wouldn’t even attempt this whole “other side of the story” nonsense.
flslacker
He didn’t choke her. They had a fight. There were a bunch of people in the house and none of them said anyone hurt anyone else. The police report is online, so instead of parroting bogus info, educate yourselves.
Discharging a firearm inside an enclosed residence is not a crime. So you’re talking about a guy who had a fight with his girlfriend and how shot at a concrete wall for some reason.
There is no domestic abuse here that is going to result in any sort of lengthy suspension.
m_pemulis
The good news is that no one got hurt. The complainant even said as much and the witnesses corroborated. And given the alternatives, it is almost commendable (and bizarrely funny) that Chapman walked out to his car, grabbed his gun and went to the garage alone to blow off some steam…kind of reminds me of the scene in Analyze This where De Niro ‘hits’ the pillow.
The bad news is that I would never have to type the above about a true Good Guy like Betances or Miller.
johanstrous
Not sure what either team’s thought process was here. Essentially the Reds gave up a decent trade piece for a collection of Yankee flotsam and jetsam. The Yankees on the other went out and acquired the one thing they didn’t need. At least from the Yankees perspective (and for once) they didn’t drastically, tragically, comically, overpay.
Maybe now they can trade one of their 3 closers for some starting pitching or a position player who isn’t eligible for retirement benefits.
koz16
I think it’s easy to see what the Yankees are thinking here. They want a young, controllable starter without having to trade away their top prospects. Obviously, that’s not going to happen. So instead of paying for some overpriced, middle aged free agent SP and possible giving up a draft pick they improve their bullpen. Now they don’t need their starters to go 7 strong innings – they only need 5 or 6 innings out of them. They can also save some wear and tear on Tanaka and Pineda. In the meantime, if some team gets desperate and wants to trade a young arm the Yankees can package guys like Miller, Refsnyder, Nova, Gardner, Heathcott, Williams, or some mid tier prospects. With a ton of money coming off of the books in the next two years the Yanks can afford to keep a guy like Chapman and still have room to go after a key free agent or three.
It’s a great move to keep the Yankees competitive for the wild card will they continue to rebuild with a youth movement.
bwolfsohn
Once chapman’s (presumed) suspension is over and he is “rehabilitated”, they may be able to move him at this year’s deadline for a bigger (and less expensive) haul than miller would get..
especially if his suspension moves his UFA back a year..
i don’t see the yankees keeping him into 2017 and affecting their ability to get under the cap that year..
flslacker
The Yankee’s thinking is that they got one of the best pitchers in baseball for nothing. The Red’s cleared $13M to get rid of a guy they knew they were losing next year; they can use that to sign a player beyond this year.
If Chapman is suspended 25 games, the Yanks can weather that storm. The Reds need another closer.
rmullig2
They have the most dominant bullpen of all time for one season. Then they can give Chapman a qualifying offer and receive a compensation pick that is probably as valuable as the four minor prospects they gave up. I see no downside for them.
Soxfan912
Most dominant of all time? Isn’t that what people said about the Nat’s rotation last season? That worked out well. I think it is certainly the best in the league on paper, but that is why the games are played.
hanks1hammer
I just don’t understand the Reds FO. They could have traded Chapman in 2014 when he had two years of control on his contract making him much more valuable but kept him. Now the traded him when it probably would have been better to wait out the resolution of the charges.
If he is suspended for 46 games or more, even better. You sell him for the rest of this season and all of next because he has voided his ability to be a free agent for 2016 due to missed games. You might not get someone like Aaron Judge AND Severino but you might get one of them.
cbwalradth
Don’t forget Jocketty gave homer bailey money instead of Johnny Cueto and has traded any player of value for scrubs on no ones radar! I would say fire him but the damage is done!
flslacker
Cueto was going to cost twice as much. The reds aren’t the Yankees or dodgers. The extra $10M makes a big difference to them.
flslacker
This idea that he’s going to be suspended for 46 games for pushing his girlfriend is so stupid I can’t fathom how anyone can be so foolish as to say it out loud. He pushed her. He didnt choke her. He didn’t hit her. he didn’t throw her across the room. He didn’t knock her out cold.
I’d be surprised if he gets 2 games.
Paul Molitor
The yanks are going to have the top 3 relievers in baseball. But never will chapman strike out sano!
greatd
Why let the domestic violence case take effect on his value. The reds should have waited for the ruling and then made a decision about it.
Agree with most of the guys who think that Jocketty needs to be fired. He may have had his times with the Cardinals but he seems like a bag of garbage at this point. Let a younger guy come in and start the rebuild on his own terms. There’s guys like Anthopoulos out there bet he’d do a better job then him.