After months of trying to add a third dominant reliever to their bullpen, the Yankees on Monday announced the acquisition of left-hander Aroldis Chapman from the Reds in exchange for a quartet of minor leaguers. Third baseman Eric Jagielo will head to Cincinnati, as will second baseman Tony Renda and right-handers Rookie Davis and Caleb Cotham. Chapman will presumably slide into the Yankees’ closer role, combining with fellow southpaw Andrew Miller and right-hander Dellin Betances to create perhaps the most formidable bullpen trio in all of Major League Baseball next season.
Chapman, 27, is arguably baseball’s best relief pitcher, but he comes with significant off-field baggage in the form of domestic violence allegations that ultimately halted a trade to the Dodgers from being finalized earlier this month. Chapman is currently being investigated by the league, and there’s a very real chance that he’ll serve some form of suspension from commissioner Rob Manfred under the league’s newly implemented domestic violence policy. What type of suspension is up to Manfred, though as many have pointed out, there are service time implications in any suspension that could impact Chapman’s free agency; if Chapman misses more than 45 days of the regular season due to suspension, he’ll fall shy of reaching six years of Major League service, which would prevent him from becoming a free agent next winter. A suspension would also lessen the financial commitment for Chapman in 2016; MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz currently projects the lefty to earn $12.9MM in 2016 after earning $8.05MM in 2015.
Strictly looking at Chapman’s on-field resumé, the results are astounding. In 2015, he worked to a 1.63 ERA with 15.7 K/9, 4.5 BB/9 and a 37.1 percent ground-ball rate. Over the past four seasons in Cincinnati, the Cuban-born phenom has delivered an exceptional 1.90 ERA while averaging 16.1 strikeouts and 3.8 walks per nine innings to go along with an average of 36 saves per season. Chapman is known for his blistering fastball; the left-hander averaged 100.3 mph on his heater in 2014 and followed that up with a similarly incredulous 99.5 mph average this past season. His addition could free the Yankees to trade Miller or Betances, but Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears that the team’s initial plan is to keep all three in an effort to effectively shorten games to six-inning affairs (Twitter link). That’s a bit hyperbolic in nature, of course, but probably not as much as skeptics might think; as MLB.com’s Andrew Simon points out (on Twitter), the Yankees now possess the pitchers with the three highest strikeout percentages in all of baseball from 2014-15 in Chapman (46.3 percent), Miller (41.6 percent) and Betances (39.5 percent).
That trio will be important for a Yankees team that is rife with uncertainty in the rotation. The club’s starting five currently projects as Masahiro Tanaka, Luis Severino, Michael Pineda, Nathan Eovaldi and CC Sabathia. (Ivan Nova could be in the mix as well, though he is reportedly being shopped.) Tanaka pitched through a small tear of the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow in 2015, while Pineda has a long history of shoulder issues and Sabathia struggled through knee injuries before ending the season in rehab for alcohol abuse. Even Severino, who was dominant in his rookie showing, has never thrown more than last season’s 161 2/3 innings in a single season. The ability to shorten games with an elite bullpen triumvirate would lessen the expectations placed on what looks to be a potentially shaky rotation.
The Reds will be adding two minor leaguers from the Yankees’ second tier of prospects (Jagielo and Davis) in addition to a pair of prospects that didn’t crack the Top 30 lists of either MLB.com or Baseball America (Cotham, Renda; hat tip to BA’s John Manuel, on Twitter). BA considers Davis the best of the bunch, having recently ranked him sixth in the Yankees’ farm system. MLB.com, meanwhile, has Jagielo sixth and Davis rated 10th.
Jagielo, 23, was selected in the first round of the 2013 draft out of Notre Dame. A knee injury that required arthroscopic surgery shortened his 2015 season, but when he was healthy, he batted .284/.347/.495 with nine homers in 58 games/248 plate appearances at the Double-A level. MLB.com’s scouting report notes that Jagielo is strong and has “good loft in his swing,” giving him the ability to drive the ball to all fields. His penchant for strikeouts (23.3 percent in 2015; 24.4 percent in 2014) is a red flag, but MLB.com notes that he draws enough walks to post sound OBP numbers even if his batting average is lackluster. The question surrounding Jagielo is whether he’ll stay at third base or move across the diamond to first, as questions about his range and arm strength are oft-cited strikes against him. Despite those potential issues, MLB.com did rate him as the No. 7 third-base prospect in the game.
As for Davis, Norris notes in his scouting report over at BA that alterations to his delivery led to a breakout of sorts in 2015. Davis pitched to a combined 3.86 ERA with 8.9 K/9 against 1.8 BB/9 in in 130 2/3 innings between Class-A Advanced and Double-A. The mechanical changes resulted in increased velocity, per Norris, who writes that Davis sits 93 to 95 mph with his heater — a pitch that is complemented by a sharp mid-70s curve and a low-80s changeup. BA indicates that he could be a mid-rotation starter, while MLB.com notes that he has good control but spotty command (i.e. throws strikes but doesn’t command the pitches within the strike zone) and could be best suited for a relief role, where his velocity could approach triple digits.
The Yankees acquired Renda, 24, from the Nationals this past season in exchange for right-hander David Carpenter. The fleet-footed infielder batted .269/.330/.358 in 532 Double-A plate appearances between the two organizations, adding three homers and 23 steals (in 29 attempts). Renda rated 12th among Nationals farmhands last season and was 22nd on MLB.com’s Top 30 at the time of the trade to the Yankees in early June. BA praised his compact swing and line-drive stroke in last winter’s scouting report, noting that his bat has a chance to be above-average, and he’s tough to strike out. He’s drawn praise for his makeup and work ethic as well, and last offseason Fangraphs’ scouting report praised his advanced bat control while noting that he lacked power.
Cotham, who turned 28 in November, made his big league debut with the Yankees this past season but struggled, yielding seven runs on 14 hits (four homers) and a walk with 11 strikeouts in 9 2/3 innings. That 11-to-1 K/BB ratio is encouraging, however, as is the 1.74 ERA that Cotham recorded in 31 innings at the Triple-A level, where he struck out 30 batters and walked just five. Cotham worked exclusively out of the bullpen between Double-A and Triple-A in 2015, totaling a 2.21 ERA with 9.6 K/9 against 2.1 BB/9. He could potentially step directly into the Reds’ bullpen, where he’d bring a fastball that averaged 92.6 mph in his brief big league tenure this past season.
Ultimately, the Reds added mid-level prospects and an MLB-ready bullpen arm in exchange for one year of the game’s best closer, it would seem. While the return is somewhat disappointing in a vacuum, it’s clear that Chapman’s domestic violence allegations rightly lowered the asking price and prevented Cincinnati from maximizing his value in a trade. It’s easy to speak now with the benefit of hindsight, but the reported offer of Braden Shipley plus a pair of other Top 10 prospects from the Diamondbacks in July does appear to be a stronger package than the one received by Cincinnati today. However, with the reason for Cincinnati’s reduced leverage in trade talks being entirely out of the team’s control, it’s not fair to simply state that they should have taken that deal. Jose Peraza, after all, was said to be heading to the Reds from the Dodgers as part of the trade package with L.A. before Chapman’s off-field issues derailed those discussions.
For the Reds, who have also traded Todd Frazier this winter (in a trade that was met with lukewarm reviews, at best, for Cincinnati’s return), the Chapman trade seems unlikely to spell the end of their offseason rebuilding efforts. Cincinnati has also attempted to move second baseman Brandon Phillips, though he reportedly elected not to waive his no-trade protection to approve a deal to the Nationals. Right fielder Jay Bruce is also no stranger to trade rumors, either, and could see his name circulate on the rumor mill with increased frequency as the Reds seek to stockpile more young talent.
Baseball America’s Josh Norris first reported that the two teams were nearing a trade (Twitter link). Jack Curry of the YES Network reported that a trade involving Chapman was close (Twitter link) and later tweeted that four minor leaguers were going to Cincinnati. Norris reported Davis’ inclusion in the deal (Twitter link). FOX’s Ken Rosenthal tweeted that the agreement as in place.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
parkdav
Whoa
slider32
Now we know why Cashman got rid of Wilson. How you like me now!
22222pete
That extra 1.4 bWAR must be pretty valuable to gve up 4 prospects and take on 12 million more salary plus 6 million more tax
moocow
So….one year later…
To those that said that the Reds couldn’t have gotten any more or got “fair value” for basically a 1 year rental of Chapman…
The Yankees got 3 premium prospects (including the Cubs no.1 prospect at the time AND currently one of the top 20 prospects in all of baseball) AND Adam Warren (back) from the Cubs for a half season rental of Chapman (who they then got Chapman back.anyways via FA).
Side Note: The Yanks not only got a MUCH BIGGER haul from the Cubs for Chapman (for less time) than the Reds got for Chapman but they basically also got Starlin Castro for a less than half season rental of Adam Warren (who was traded back to the Yankees in the Chapman deal)..
Goes to show that people really only get “outraged’ for a very short period of time (with regards to Chapman’s domestic violence allegations) and the Reds should have either insisted on more from the Yankees OR held him until the furor died down (took about half a season) and traded him for what the Yankees traded him for at the deadline.
In the mean time, both of the 2 better prospects that the Reds got (Jagielo and Davis) struggled in the minors this past season. Caleb Cotham as well in the majors.
Not a good move by the Reds or Jockety.
yanks26
That would be a great move for the yanks!!!
dhud
Reds, don’t screw this one up too. I don’t think I could handle it
sportingdissent
Whomp Whomp.
dhud
Yep, now I’m sad.
jacobywankenobi 2
Why? Rookie Davis is a good pitching prospect and Jags has a disgusting amount of power, which is rare these days. Cotham is also a nice bullpen piece. Do some research before you get sad.
dhud
Jags strikes out 24% of the time and many believe Davis is destined for the bullpen
mrkinsm
Do some research? Really? The Reds just traded the best closer in the game and didn’t even get back a top 5 org prospect.
jh8913
Lol two years later and your research doesn’t look good dude
NYC Fan
Let’s go Yankees, make it happen!
haakon14
This better happen cuz now I’m hype
jamesa-2
Even though it is the Yankees, one would have to imagine that the return for Cincinnati is going to be heavily discounted at this point. They might almost be better off holding on to Chapman until the deadline and getting the “closer premium” from a team making a postseason run.
User 4245925809
Add the fact character doesn’t matter there. Why they insist on buzz cuts, the kids in the MiLB system wear high socks is a joke, when they take on all the bad apples and have since georgie bought the team.
stl_cards16 2
I see someone isn’t happy about facing Miller, Betances, Chapman bullpen.
klanem
Those are the names I was runnin through my head……. Along with …..Better beat the yankers in 6 because the 7th, 8th, 9th will more than likely belong to NYY
User 4245925809
Generally won’t waste my time with you as a cardinals fan and disliker of 29 others, especially players they trade away, despite being a major fan of them while with the Cards (known as a homer), but this time will explain my original post for the good of the board.
Where u want to start? Billy Martin? Jackson? Chapman? Nettles? I need to think of more bad boys?
circaflex
They don’t do the high socks in the minors anymore, that rule was relaxed last year.
jonscriff
If Any of there top 10 prospects and Miller or betances in this deal I might freak tf out but I’m ok with chasen going to reds
MB923
Reading that Rookie Davis is going. He’s around 5th best. Their second best SP prospect
slider32
It’s a 6 inning game now!
jonscriff
6th but had a 3.86 era in minors this year but I’m ok with that
dhud
Why would any team not have to give up a single top 10 prospect for an arm like Chapman? I can understand someone like Judge or Sanchez would be too much, but this kind of one-sided, biased thinking on this site is ridiculous sometimes.
“Other teams should just give us all there good players for nothing!”
mookiessnarl
Because Chapman lost a ton of value. Had this been before the domestic violence allegations, he certainly would have been worth that. As it is now there’s no guarantee he won’t be suspended for part of next season.
dhud
Which would mean you get him for an additional year of control.
Chapman is still one of the most dominant pitchers in the game. Period.
sportingdissent
Yeah but having and supporting a wife beater on your squad is an extreme negative. It isn’t all about baseball.
dhud
Personally, I agree.
But one, he wasn’t even charged and denies that part of the report, so let’s be carful about throwing names like “wife beater” around preeminently. And two, a lot of people in sports disagree. “Just win, baby”
bqbombers
Still fired 8 shots into the ceiling in anger. Not sure how that’s in any way remotely accepted.
mookiessnarl
Still a dominant pitcher, but not one where there we a ton of suitors. Reds did okay. They would have done a lot better had they traded him at last years deadline. Because he lost value. Most teams would have had no interest. If they still had to pay a ton for him even though he’s potentially unstable, I doubt they would have done it.
22222pete
He will make 12.9 million this year, not a lot of surplus value there
mrkinsm
There is plenty of surplus value there, premium players who you only have to pay for 1 year are worth a lot. Not to mention he’ll bring back a QO.
hojostache
Typical Yankees move….they get everyone at a discount. Ridiculous.
The Yanks still need to make it through 6in w a banged up SP.
rivera42
The hate is strong in this one. Cashman must’ve done well in this trade.
doubleddownie
If he’s suspended long enough then the yanks get another year of arbitration before free agency. In this cause I don’t see the treat of a suspension lowering his value any more then the bad publicity already around him
jamesa-2
An extended suspension would give an extra year of control, yes. However, it would also mean that talent is being exchanged for an arm that will miss almost a third of the season before he can get on the mound. Then the team has to hope that there is no time wasted/lost with Chapman getting into premium game shape.
eddiekam5
There trading rookie Davis
cderry 2
Where?
eddiekam5
And Miller is probably on the move
Houcorrea
Why? If he is suspended for more then 45 games, which he probably will be, he doesn’t make free agency and they will still need Miller when he is suspended.
flslacker
lol. “probably will be”? The MLB union is not the NFL. No way he gets that long. Plus, because of his service time issue, the union will fight TOOTH AND NAIL to keep it under the time he needs to be a free agent.
dishnet34
Sure, move a guy suspected of domestic violence to a team with a huge market and media just as unforgiving. Makes sense.
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
Miller to Dodgers in a hot and heavy three-way?
BlueSkyLA
Maybe since they couldn’t swing a deal for Chapman for next to nothing.
gojira15
Risky risky risky. With Chapman’s baggage, going to the NYY limelight could prove disasterous. And how come teams always hop on the latest winning formula bandwagon? Teams found ways to win the World Series before KC did it with three bullpen aces (though one was injured!).
thecoffinnail
Agreed, but Chapman should have been acquired on a big discount. Hopefully, when the return for the Reds is announced it will be something like Rookie Davis, Refsnyder, and Jagielo. Refsnyder would be a nice fall back if Peraza isn’t ready and Jagielo is blocked by Headley. I just hope Judge or Mateo are not included.
southbeachbully
Jagielo wasn’t really blocked. Headley didn’t have a no-trade clause.
disgruntledreader 2
He’s not blocked. He’s just not capable of winning a regular starting job in the Majors on his own.
southbeachbully
Sigh….whatever dude. Whatever team you root for has “real” prospects. The Yanks have nothing but garbage.
Turtle
Good point. Teams tend to follow the latest winning formula. The 1990 Reds won with a dominant bullpen trio of Rob Dibble, Randy Myers and Norm Charlton. These things recycle through the years.
dhud
Chapman wasn’t even charged. At worst MLB slaps him a 50 game then the Yankees with their bottomless check back sign him for the next 3-5 years
gojira15
I wouldn’t worry as much about the suspension as the media circus in the Bronx.
southbeachbully
Yankees have been doing that before the Royals won a world series.
jljr222
I had literally had to refresh my twitter feed about 5 times to make sure I had not accidentally followed a fake Jack Curry. This one is a wow moment.
jonscriff
Any suspension would give them one more of control too. Great deal
mookiessnarl
They must have gotten enough in return so that it was better than the QO. This has the potential to be either the steal of the offseason or a public relations nightmare. Most teams would have balked at acquiring Chapman at this point. Isn’t there still a possibility he could be suspended by the league for part of this season?
stl_cards16 2
Yep. And if he’s suspended for a significant period of time, he won’t have enough service time at the end of the season to be a Free Agent. So a pretty great deal for the Yankees no matter what happens with the investigation.
gorav114
He may be suspended 45 games but if he is then the Yankees will actually have his rights for an additional season. In their mind I’m sure they hope he gets suspended. They will trade losing him for 45 days to get him for another 162. Plus they can now get a comp pick when he leaves. The Reds got hosed
Ray Ray
Where are you getting those numbers? No one has a clue how long DV suspensions are going to be, Joey Votto was only suspended for 1 game for hitting an umpire last year. I’m betting he’ll get no more than 5 games or the union will riot (and rightly so). Especially since he wasn’t arrested or charged with a crime or even asked to leave the premises. Actual domestic violence is a plague on our society, and rightly deserves to be punished severely. But from what I read about this incident, it shouldn’t qualify. Was it stupid to shoot a gun at a wall? Of course, but you can’t fine and suspend someone for stupidity.
slpdajab55
You say the Reds got hosed??? Truth is, not a soul on this thread knows who got hosed…or better yet if it works out both ways. We won’t know for 2-3 years…who knows how these players develop. I am a Reds fan and I like the trade. Chapman is a time bomb imo. Fun to watch but pulled over twice for going 120 mph on a local highway in his Ferrari. Both with in 30 days. Firing 10 shots in his garage after allegedly a DV incident. I hope he works out and grows up.
Yankeehawk75
I don’t think the Players Union would sit back and allow Chapman lose service time causing him to miss being a FA next season. He would be easily in the top 3-5 FA’s for next offseason easily.
gojira15
I think some people have an overly flippant attitude toward the allegations against Chapman. It could amount to very little, the stories could be overblown, and his time in pinstripes will be great. But if he’s unloading guns in anger, do you trust him to keep his violence in check? Domestic abuse is bad PR, but shootings are much worse.
flslacker
He had a fight with his Girlfriends. The Davie police have nothing better to do.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
And the Reds rebuild keeps going along.
The Oregonian
That bullpen’s insane now. If they could get one more starter (I had Chen going to them in predictions but anyone in that tier would do) this team’s going to look pretty scary in that division.
bronxbombers
Ref Mitchell heathcott Lindgren?
sabernar
I had a feeling that Jagielo was going to be included. That sucks. He was having a great season until he got hurt last season. Maybe the Yankees think he can’t stick at 3B?
eldookay
I thought there was talk that they thought he had to be moved to 1B, and it was basically between Jagielo and Bird.
stoi
Reds will regret this trade. Hard to get full value here, but that is pretty light considering what other closers have brought back this offseason.
jabmets
And I’m sure the mets called and were told one of your star pitchers plus your top 5 prospects. Because the Yankees are touched by God and never have to give anything in value. Starlin Castro for Adam warren come on.
m_pemulis
haha people in this thread are so mad. First of all, no the Mets didn’t call – Chapman costs money and would prevent the Wilpons from receiving their welfare check.
Secondly, this was a fair deal any way you look at it. 4 minor leaguers with varying prospect shine for possibly a half season of a guy who comes with quite a bit of risk and depressed value.
Thirdly, I thought the Castro/Warren deal was a rip-off at first because Warren isn’t a sexy name, but if you actually look at Warren’s production and versatility, he has actually been more valuable than Castro (2015 WAR: 2.2 vs. 0.8)
Cam
There’s still the misconception that Starlin Castro is better than he actually is.
Solid, but two out of the last three years as barely above replacement level, is nothing to write home about. He is genuinely a black hole in the lineup – and unfortunately, NOT a black hole in the field.
The Oregonian
Yeah, but at this point one year of Chapman was going to bring back a few tons less than the Kimbrel and Giles trades. They had to deal him before spring training. Reds might as well go for the #1 pick anyway.
mathiasak04182000
The Yanks sure do have a big 3 out of the pen now. Reds got hosed considering that they didn’t get Judge or Bird or Mateo
Turtle
I’m not convinced Judge will be a force in the majors. As talented as Bird is, the Reds have no place to play him with Votto at first base. Mateo would have been a very nice pickup. Jagielo and Davis aren’t’ bad at all, but I’d have liked to have seen Fowler in the swap.
Arodsneedle
Boy is he a force lol
wb3cubs
WOW…. I’m not very familiar with the Yankees farm system, but I’m hearing that none of their top talent was in this trade.. What a steal!!
seamaholic 2
Not really. It’s a one year rental and he cones with lots of baggage. Seems about right.
wb3cubs
It’s for one year, unless he gets suspended, then the yanks get more time. Say what you want about the off the field stuff, he’s not yet been charged. On the field he’s flat out dominant!! It’s a steal for the yanks
slider32
Yea, he was only one of the best relievers in baseball last year.
MB923
Rumors were saying their Top 4 all could be Top 100. At the very least, they will have 3 (Judge, Mateo and Sanchez)
SemihAutomatic
No way is Gary Sanchez a top 100 prospect. It isn’t 2011.
MB923
You must know another Gary Sanchez then. BA had him #35 in 2014.
All he did in 2015 was make it to the Fall League All Star game (.900+ OPS in the Fall League ) and win MVP. Along with an .849 OPS in AAA
Mark my words. Sanchez will easily be Top 100
southbeachbully
Yeah a 23 yo C with 18 hrs and a .850 OPS @ AAA who has finally matured mentally and defensively shouldn’t be a top 100 prospect. Oh wait…Let’s give it to a player that was just drafted in 2015 and hasn’t played above A ball yet.
mattg-5
Lol! Gary Sanchez isnt even a top 200 prospect.
MB923
See my response to Sam Sirin. You are and will be wrong. Way wrong.
Brixton
Gary Sanchez may be a top 2 catching prospect in baseball up there with Alfaro.
Doug
If Sanchez was a BoSox farmhand, he’d be Top 10, like the overrated Swihart. and Vazquez.
monroe_says
Congratulations to the Reds for pushing their rebuild back another year or so with this low-impact haul. Too bad Joey Votto will be wasted in Cincinnati for the foreseeable future … Rogers Communications really should step and bring him to Toronto.
dhud
It would take a king’s ransom to get Votto. Dude’s numbers are unreal
southbeachbully
Just because a prospect is currently listed as a top 100 doesn’t mean they won’t be in the future. Jagielo has real potential.
fred-3
Didn’t they learn from Hardy and the Cowboys? This is PR suicide.
tim815
Nope.
PhilliesFan012
Surprised that Judge isn’t going to Cinci in this deal…figured they would’ve wanted more
dhud
I don’t think they could’ve gotten Judge for Chapman even before the domestic violence allegations
PhilliesFan012
Idk I think they could have, talent alone speaks for itself and until this recent DV case I never heard anything bad of him, I say they could’ve gotten him with maybe one or two other smaller prospects easy but yes it appears the DV case has defiantly dropped his value
neverender82
Not with him so close to free agency.
PhilliesFan012
True but if he has a great year and the Yankees contend you know they are gonna offer him a big contract to extend him beyond one year, they may be “re tooling” with youth but the Yankees will always spend big
RedsNut1967
It looks like Jageilo (?) has some very nice pop for a third baseman. Put him there,maybe Peraza at 2nd,and maybe the Reds can get something started again. The arms in this deal dint look very good right now,but one of them is 23, I believe. The other is 28. See what happens . Hopefully,the next trades will bring something just as good,or better.
22222pete
Yankees got Chapman for nothing, none of those prospects will amount to much. Also, since he is likely suspended for some period next year they may have him for 2 years instead of 1. Looking like a salary dump for the Reds.
southbeachbully
IS that your crystal ball talking?
Arodsneedle
It was
JJ 3
wow!! great move
R.D.
Rough deal, the Reds more or less got peanuts for the best closer in baseball. Davis looks good but he’s no better than the comp pick they would have got by letting Chapman walk.
Waiting for a desperate team at the deadline would have ended much better I imagine.
I mean, the Braves got more (Davis/WIsler do look kind of comparable though) and convinced the Pads to take the Upton mess with the trade.
Brixton
Well I guess if any team doesn’t care about their players in the public eye, its the Yankees.
m_pemulis
List recent Yankees with violent off-the-field incidents. You can even include alleged ones like Chapmans. Go.
Brixton
Where did I say anything about violence?
CC is a alcoholic
Castro has connections to a murder
A-Rod is A-Rod
just to name a few
southbeachbully
Castro was somewhere where someone was killed. If he didn’t pull the trigger or hire/direct someone to pull the trigger the you need to layoff. I hate when ppl assume guilt by proximity.
gorav114
Haha, that sounds good in theory yet to many Ray Lewis is still a murderer even though it was pretty much the exact same thing. He was there when it happened and involved the people he was with. That makes you guilty in fan land
yanks02026
Castro didn’t cover for someone or destroy evidence. So please explain how it’s the same thing?
m_pemulis
So there’s a guy that went to get help for a personal problem after the season was over, a person who possibly witnessed a murder, and yes, one absolute megalomaniac who has been publicly condemned for his actions and basically told “you are only here because we can’t get out of your contract”. It’s basically an animal house…
Brixton
Where did I say it was an animal house? I said it was about their public image, which aren’t good.
yanks02026
You clearly know very little. Actually tha Yankees letting CC go to rehab instead of forcing him to stick around was probably good for the Yankees image.
Castro past doesn’t affect the Yankees at all.
yanks02026
What team you a fan of? Let’s look up their players and see what type of people they’re. I guarantee they aren’t all saints.
fred-3
A-Rod ratted on his close family members, and from a financial standpoint, probably ruined his cousin’s life
Francisco
Yankees still will not win their division. Overrated with a geriatric team. Third place in the east.
MB923
You don’t have to win a division to make the playoffs though
misterb71
How long before we hear rumblings about Miller being moved out? I can’t see any team, even the Yankees, taking a guy who signed a 4-year deal to become the Yankee closer and now making him the set-up man. In doing so they would also bump Betances to the set-up man for the set-up man. I’d expect Miller is going to get moved to give the team a little salary relief and possibly to fix one of the rotation holes that haven’t gone away.
Brixton
Puig for Miller would be fun.
Voice of Reason
Nobody wants puig
Gambit1193
Miller isn’t getting moved. The Closer role is def up for grabs though. Cashman already said he intends to keep all 3 relievers unless he once again gets blown away on a deal for Miller, same thing he’s been saying all offseason.
southbeachbully
Miller is gone. It makes absolutely no since to keep when the mandate has been to watch the budget. Betances was one thing because he’s pre-arbitration. To have almost $20 mil going to the 8th and 9th guy makes no sense. It happened before with Soriano and Mo but I remember that Cashman was against doing it.
rmullig2
Boston is doing that with their bullpen.With the way even mediocre relievers are getting paid expect to see a lot more of this.
jamesa-2
The Yankees have plenty of incentive to hold on to Miller though. Chapman is probably a FA at the end of the season. If they trade Miller and Chapman hits FA, they are left with Betances and no leverage over Chapman if they try to resign him. If they keep Miller, they have a dominant bullpen for a strong 2016 postseason run and then they are not left with a vacuum should Chapman depart via FA.
flslacker
They didn’t sign him to be a closer.
mike156
as a yankee fan, i guess i don’t get it. Four minor leaguers for a guy who will be leaving after next year and who may end up suspended or even in jail? it’s an old team–why are we giving up youth an athleticism for a win now guy?
dhud
Because those four minor leaguers are “meh” and Chapman’s left arm was blessed by God himself at birth
vmmercan 2
In jail after they already ruled insufficient evidence? Would love to see how that plays out.
southbeachbully
I feel very iffy about this deal. Adding Chapman to the bullpen is amazing but I almost feel like we REALLY overshot our need for a replacement for Justin Wilson. I think we could have found less costly alternative like a Mike Dunn type.
Because our farm is lacking in top pitching prospects I really felt they would hold on to Rookie Davis and James Kaprielian not because they are necessarily front of rotation guys (they are probably more like mid-rotation guys) but because of the attrition rate of our other pitching prospects and the fact that all of Sabathia, Eovaldi, Nova, Pineda and Tanaka (opt out) are all unsecured past 2017.
Also, I felt Jagielo would be the ultimate replacement for Headley in the next 2 years. He put up solid numbers thus far and Headley’s can be traded whenever we choose as his contract doesn’t include a no trade clause.
I wonder if they plan on flipping Miller for a starting pitcher. It just seems odd. Maybe to the Dodgers?? I can’t see Cashman using that much top of the farm talent and NOT get the young starting pitcher he’s been coveting all winter.
Gambit1193
Jags was never gonna stick at 3B. Bird is blocking him at 1B and Judge blocking him at RF if they moved him there. He’s offense with no position.
He was never gonna replace Headley. Their plan to replace headley is obviously gonna be going after Machado when he’s a FA.
southbeachbully
I think it’s silly to say he absolutely won’t stick at 3b. I think it’s more likely that he needs to improve before being a solid 3b in the majors but his power is his calling card, especially as a lefty.
rmullig2
Cashman has owned the off-season. Major upgrades to the team without giving up the best prospects or taking on long term commitments. He should get Executive of the Year right now.
Brixton
Except his biggest problem coming into the offseason was his rotation, and as it sits, all hes done was deal away a potential starter in Adam Warren
rmullig2
They already have six guys that can slot into the rotation. They are only looking for depth options. Most likely wait until the end of winter and pick up whoever is left at that point unless a young stud becomes available at a reasonable price.
Brixton
Six guys..
Tanaka who still has a partially torn UCL
Ivan Nova whos a year off of TJ and was bad when he came back
Michael Pinda and his 4.37 ERA
CC Sabathia and his his ERA of 4.80
Luie Severino and his 11 career starts and 4.50 FIP
then you have Nate Eovaldi.
southbeachbully
I love how arbitrarily use ERA and FIP when it’s convenient.
southbeachbully
I’ve always liked Warren but I think his greatest value was as trade bait to get a young 2b. I think Warren would’ve lost a little gas as a starter on a regular basis. I think at best he would be a #3 guy for a good team. Not mad at that trade as they acquired a much needed 2b w/ a “hopefully” solid glove and offense.
MB923
Too soon. Games ain’t won on paper.
rmullig2
True, but he has upgraded the talent without giving away the farm or getting stuck with albatross contracts.
slider32
Yes, he has upgraded 2 positions without spending any money or losing any top players.
dematteo1982
Idk….. I mean yanks gave up nothing too significant, only have one year of control , maybe he gets suspended… He a top 3 closer….its just eehhh for me. On the Cincinnati side, you didn’t get that much. Only had to pay him one more year, u get the gist….. But waiting for.the trade deadline would have prob been better as the haul would have been much better, esp a desperate team contending.. Yankees get the edge,
Ray Ray
Well, now the Yankees will have to spend even more money. They will need to get lounge chairs for all of their fielders for the 7th inning on. Seriously, the 3rd guy in the Yankees bullpen would easily be the #1 on most teams. Heck on my team, he might be the #1 reliever in Rockies history after a season or two. Now tell me that baseball is not a league of haves and have-nots. And before anyone says that it is just jealousy talking, I wouldn’t want my team to be that stacked either. I prefer equal competition.
m_pemulis
Here’s a list of teams that have appeared in the World Series since 2000. I’ll leave it to the reader to compare it to the list of NBA teams making a finals appearance or NFL teams who have a Super Bowl in that time. Of the *19* teams on this list, you’ll notice a notable omission, our league leader in payroll, the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Kansas City Royals
San Francisco Giants
Boston Red Sox
San Francisco Giants
St. Louis Cardinals
New York Yankees
Philadelphia Phillies
Boston Red Sox
Chicago White Sox
Florida Marlins
Anaheim Angels
Arizona Diamondbacks
New York Mets
Kansas City Royals
Detroit Tigers
Texas Rangers
Tampa Bay Rays
Colorado Rockies
Houston Astros
southbeachbully
There is far more parody in baseball than the NBA or NFL. I mean we just saw the Royals go back to back to the WS.
mattclementsgoattee
Parity, not “parody.” Great point, however.
flslacker
Maybe he meant parody?
The NFL has the most parity. There are teams with good records, but all the teams suck. The problem is that by years end, with injuries, nobody has enough players to field a real team.
What was wrong with sports when there wasn’t “parity”? So people is moosebreath, Montana can have a competitive team? If you want to live in charlotte, then you don’t get any championships. Its good for the league to have dominant teams in the best cities. The NBA is a joke with NY and LA and Chicago with garbage teams.
Ray Ray
I disagree completely. Take the NBA out of the equation, because that league can be dominated by a single player unlike MLB and the NFL. Having Mike Trout does not guarantee a playoff appearance for the Angels, but having LeBron James pretty much does guarantee that for the Cavs. The NFL has far more parity than MLB when you consider playoff appearances instead of championship appearances. And when you think about it, the playoffs can be determined by a team that is hot at the right time, seasons rarely are.
Since 2001, only 5 NFL teams made the playoffs fewer than 3 times (Lions 2, Texans 2, Jaguars 2, Browns 1, Bills 0)
Since 2001, 11 MLB teams have made the playoffs fewer than 3 times (Orioles 2, White Sox 2, Rockies 2, Royals 2, Brewers 2, Mets 2, Padres 2, Nationals 2, Marlins 1, Mariners 1, Blue Jays 1)
Yes there are fewer playoff teams in MLB, but not that much difference. Now which league looks more top heavy?
southbeachbully
In term of championships won since 1990 it’s
NHL (most parity) 15 teams
MLB/NFL (13 different teams have won since 1990)
NBA (least parity) 9 teams have won. Bulls, Spurs and Lakers have won a total of 16!!
chicubbies1
That’s an unfair comparison since the NFL has been sending 12 teams to the playoffs for forever, while MLB just started sending, what, 10 teams for the last 2 years or so…… otherwise it’s been 8 teams to the playoffs for MLB….. 4 fewer teams than the NFL. When teams can go .500 or a game above and make the playoffs is that really an accomplishment? Hell, were’t the Seahawks like 7-9 the one year and WON their division. 38% of NFL teams will make the playoffs. Just recently MLB started sending 33% of their teams to the playoffs, it had been 27%. Besides…… no one remembers or cares about teams who just make it to the playoffs. Having 2-4 fewer teams in the playoffs may seem insignificant to you but over the long haul that is a HUGE difference. For the last 10 years alone that adds up to I believe 32 fewer teams to make it to the postseason in MLB than the NFL. So of COURSE more teams in the NFL will just make it to the playoffs. When almost 40% of the league is a playoff team it’s no shocker.
Here’s the teams MLB has sent to the World Series the last 15 years.
AL
Yankees
Angels
Yankees
Red Sox
White Sox
Tigers
Red Sox
Rays
Yankees
Rangers
Rangers
Tigers
Red Sox
Royals
Royals
That’s 8 different teams, in the American League which has had only 14 teams in it up until just recently
NL
Diamondbacks
Giants
Marlins
Cardinals
Astros
Cardinals
Rockies
Phillies
Phillies
Giants
Cardinals
Giants
Cardinals
Giants
Mets
8 different teams….. despite the recent 5 year stretch when the Giants and Cardinals took turns representing the NL. So 50% of the NL made it to the World Series over the last 15 years
NFL
AFC
Ravens
Patriots
Raiders
Patriots
Patriots
Steelers
Colts
Patriots
Steelers
Colts
Steelers
Patriots
Ravens
Broncos
Patriots
That’s 6 teams to represent the AFC the last decade and a half….. SIX. 37.5% of the AFC has made it to the Super Bowl the last 15 years.
NFC
Giants
Rams
Bucs
Panthers
Eagles
Seahawks
Bears
Giants
Cardinals
Saints
Packers
Giants
49ers
Seahawks
Seahawks
That’s an impressive 11 teams unless I can’t count correctly. 68.75% of NFC teams have made it to the Super Bowl..
Overall
16 different teams have made it to the WS in the last 15 years, or 53.3% of the teams
Thanks to the NFC, the NFL has sent 17 teams to the Super Bowl the last 15 years, or about 53.125% of the teams.
Honestly, I’d say baseball has more parity than the NFL……. but that is only because for almost 2 decades pretty much the same teams are good in the AFC, 50% of the NFL. That and when you take into consideration that all 32 NFL teams are on an even playing field with a salary cap compared to MLB which had a team with a $272+M payroll and a team with a $68M payroll, it makes the MLB parity that much more impressive. This year alone MLB saw the 16th ranked payroll Royals take on the 21st ranked payroll in the Mets.
Ray Ray
But you are also forgetting that the NFL has two additional teams. So yes before the second Wild Card, there were extra teams making it, but right now there is the same number of teams in both leagues that do NOT make the playoffs.
Aside from that, how can you think that a short tournament defines parity more than an entire season? That’s what is wrong with the NCAA Basketball tourney. It’s all about who is hot/healthy at the end of a season, not who is the best team. Don’t get me wrong, it is a lot of fun to watch and very enjoyable, but it is really not about who is best. The 2014 World Series showed that when the 5th place Royals played the 5th place Giants in a World Series that could have never happened 5 years earlier. Nobody could say that either team was the best team of 2014, but they were both the best playoff teams.
Season-long comparisons are what is necessary for determining parity.
Ray Ray
But you are missing a key element in your analysis. How many seasons did the Royals, Rays, Marlins, Rockies, and the rest of the have-nots struggle before their WS appearance? How many seasons did the Yankees and Dodgers REALLY struggle in that same time period? It’s not about how often a franchise puts together a winning team. It is how often a franchise is saddled with a losing team.
I’ll use the NL West as an example since I know it the best. The Dodgers have not finished in last place in their division since 1992 and in four of those years there were only 4 teams in the division. If you take away the Rockies’ one lone period of pretty good baseball (2007-2010), they have finished in either last or next-to-last in their division in every year in their history except 1 (1995). The Padres are basically in the same boat finishing in 4th or worst in 31 or their 47 seasons.
In the AL East, the Yankees have finished in last place 4 times in over 100 years and only once since division play began in 1969. If all things were even close to equal, that wouldn’t happen. In a reasonably fair system, you would expect each team in a five team division to finish last twice a decade. The Yankees and Dodgers haven’t finished last once in nearly 25 years.
Small market teams can get to the WS and win it every now and then, but they don’t have nearly as many opportunities as the big boys.
MB923
I suggest you read this if you think NFL has more parity. Can’t wait for his article next year too. A one which will show every MLB Team has made the playoffs in this century (along with other good numbers too)
espn.go.com/blog/jayson-stark/post/_/id/1075/think…
pojack
Good points. With the new revenue sharing and salary cap, small market teams have a much better chance than they did in the past though. If there was no luxury tax, the Yankees and the Dodgers would be on some of the top free agents.
Ray Ray
I’ll agree that more teams are able to be big market teams than before, but it really doesn’t help the really small market teams. The Pirates and the Reds will never be on the same level as the Dodgers in the long term. It’s not all the fault of the Dodgers and Yankees of the world. The fault also lies with the tanking/rebuilding teams or the cheap owners that refuse to spend money (while not lowering ticket prices) as well. Without a hard salary cap AND a hard salary floor, there can never be true parity.
pustule bosey
you are missing two more giants – 2002, 2010, 2012, 2014
billybutlersjockstrap42
Great trade by the yanks! They look to be one of the better teams in the American League again. They could be the best team in the AL east, I think the blue jays are a great hitting team but pitching lacks an ace but I love storman (go duke). The Red Sox need to unload JB or get Hanley out of the way, Orioles need a lot of work in the outfield. Can’t have trombone play there just isn’t a great defender. Cashman is trying to build the dynasty that once was of the late 90’s and early 2000’s, also he plans on keeping all 3, chapman in the 7th,Miller or Dillion working both the 8th or the 9th, excited for the AL east great teams
flslacker
Sure, if Tex, Tanaka, Pineda, Ells, CC and Beltran can all stay healthy.
billybutlersjockstrap42
Great trade by them
Voice of Reason
Has the Reds front office EVER been through a rebuild?
Horrible return on Chapman. His value has never been lower in his entire career than right now. So, they moved him for nothing…
22222pete
I thought the Yankees have spent months trying to trade Andrew Miller. No rumors they were looking for another elite BP arm although logically you would expect they would do so if they were moving Miller
slider32
Now they can trade Gardner or Miller for a stud young starter like Ross or Deleon.
rycm131
I am a Yanks fan in fact it’s been said That no one is a bigger Scott Brosius fan than me. But all this talk of a 6 inning game doesn’t matter much if you’re getting your a– handed to you for the first 6 innings. Unless ARod has another cousin we need some hitters.
vamosbravos
Damn, I ain’t even a Yank’s fan & I am absolutely thrilled with this news. Simply because if there is any team in the AL East who can improve there roster by making deals like this, with the possiblity of knockng my hometown Jays off of there pedestal because of it, I am all over like white on freaking rice. GO BRAVES!!!
adyo4552
Youre one of those “spite the home town team” types? Yuck
milkychavez
The Yankees now will be playing 6 inning games going forward, the Reds fans on the other hand will be wishing they only had to watch 6 innings of the crap they will be putting on the field.
milkychavez
All that’s left is to trade Votto for a tub of chewing gum and Phillips for a bag of baseballs
hanks1hammer
I don’t blame you for being disappointed in Chapman’s return. You can blame Chapman for it though. The risk of losing him until next year probably impacted his value a lot.
beyou02215
Good trade for the Yanks but, remember, this is for 1 year of Chapman (at most). They still have some holes and a lots of questions both offensively and with their starting pitching.
slider32
One year at a time, Cashman is a master! Rated near the top five on paper according to Fangraphs!
rmullig2
It’s one year at least. If he gets suspended then that does not count toward his service time. The Yankees would gain an extra year of control over him.
slider32
Yanks have 60 million coming off the books next year, then watch out!
stormie
If he’s suspended long enough (about 40 games), yes. If he’s only suspended for say 25 games, then the Yanks simply lose that month of his service, they don’t gain anything from it.
rmullig2
They would not have to pay him for that time which factoring in the luxury tax would be close to a 2 million dollar savings. He would also be fresher for the post season.
stormie
Losing him for a month could be the difference between them making the postseason in the first place.. Red Sox are much improved and the Jays are still beasts.
adyo4552
I dont get it, the Yankees did not have a bullpen problem aside from replacing a 7th inning type guy. Am I to belive they are going to use Miller or Betances in the 7th? I doubt it. They are also a very old team, and just gave up a chunk of youth. If they flip Miller for a starter or prospects and resign Chapman then it makes sense, but otherwise it seems strange to add to the team’s strengtb while trading from an area of weakness.
thecoffinnail
The Yankees are not “a very old team” team anymore. The rotation short of CC is all under 30. The middle infield (Castro and Didi) are both 25. This will be Beltran and Teixeira’s last year. In fact after 2017 there will be more Yankees under 30 than over it.
adyo4552
While most of what you say is true, googling “mlb teams by average age” shows that the Yankees are currently the third oldest team, after the Giants and Reds. Losing Beltran, Sabbathia and Teixeria next offseason will help for sure, but trading prospects for veterans was a trend that got the Yankees to where they are right now.
southbeachbully
I disagree with you. Other than Quintana (who they granted free agency to) and maybe Melancon who they had a short leash on, who have they traded for an older player like they have done in the “pre-jeter” era???
Who?? There aging stars (Sabathia, McCann, Ellsbury and Beltran were all free agents. Headly was acquired for Solarte is really the only example you can point to and Solarte basically is doing the same things as Headley just at league minimum.
Cashman has to decide who he wants to extend in Pineda, Nova and Eovaldi but alongside Tanaka, Byrd, Sanchez, Severino, Judge, Hicks, Didi and Castro they actually have a young core at key positions.
adyo4552
You may be right. Maybe a Yankee superfan will swoop in and remind us what happened to the top Yankee draft picks from ’01-’11, for example. The Yankees definitely surrendered picks for their free agency choices though. I cant recall specific instances but several deadline deals where prospects were sent for late season adds. Wheres that superfan when you need him?
southbeachbully
@adyo4552
That was wayyyyy back in the days. For the record, the Yanks have had their own 1st rnd draft pick 10 out of the last 20 drafts BUT have HAD 18 draft picks inside the top 30 over those same 20 years. But keep in mind, we’ve been in playoffs about 17x in the same 20 years so seldom did we have our own pick that would be inside the top 20 at all.
flslacker
Did you really leave out A-Rod as an aging player? (Acquired Via Trade, but then stupidly extended).
vmmercan 2
They’re third oldest because they have three players over 40. That thing takes the average age adding up all the years then dividing. The Yankees are under 32 at every position right now except right field and 1B and Beltran is likely to be replaced by Judge and Tex by Bird. A-Rod is over 40 but he’s a DH who can be replaced by anybody. Their rotation is all under 30 except Sabathia and their bullpen is all under 30.
So 21 of their 25 Opening Day players will be 32 or under and in 2017, Jacoby Ellsbury at aged 33 will be the only position player.
Redsoxfan10
Correction** second best bullpen trio behind kimbrel, uehara, and carson smith.
slider32
Hello, not according to the experts!
johanstrous
Not according to ANYONE west of Framingham
rmullig2
Hanley Ramirez has a better chance of winning a gold glove then the Sox bullpen has of being better than the Yankees.
adyo4552
This comparison is inevitable, so let’s have a look at each player’s 2015 stats:
For each player, stats indicate ERA+ (higher is better), then FIP (lower is better).
Smith: 164 2.12
Uehara 194 2.44
Kimbrel 142 2.68
Red Sox top 3 Average: 167 2.41
Miller 194 2.16
Betances 263 2.48
Chapman 244 1.94
Yankees top 3 Average: 234 2.19
There can really be no debate; the Yankees’ top 3 is better than the Sox’ bullpen, and I’d imagine one of the best bullpen trios anybody can remember.
flslacker
Lets SEE how Kimbrel pitches in Fenway. He pitched in the NL in a big ballpark.
If you think the red sot bullpen is better than the redsox you need to have another bowl of chowda…
stormie
You have to be kidding. Anyone without a bias (such as myself) would say the Yanks’ top 3 pen arms are much better than the Red Sox’. Aside from stats, Smith has 70 MLB innings to his name and Uehara’s in his 40’s. Neither of them are sure bets like the Yanks’ trio is.
A'sfaninUK
lol Uehara isn’t even cracking the Yankees superpen under any circumstances, Smith needs 2-3 more years like he’s been to be considered with them. Yankees guys have been good a long time, Uehara’s an injury risk and Smith’s unproven in big game situations.
MB923
Um. No. Sox pen is very good But Yankees pen is way better
m_pemulis
Found Peter Gammons
slider32
Teams will not want to face this team, if you are behind in the late innings , your dead!
nando390
Mlb trade rumors headline: “And the Dodgers continue to be the joke of the off season. Friedman signed to 4 year extension. “
slider32
Dodgers need to get Miller now and give the Yanks Deleon.
pustule bosey
it is going to be interesting when you get the sox yankees matchups with kimbrel on one side and chapman on the other
johanstrous
Yeah, which one will be able to pull out the victory in the 10-9 game after the starters for both teams get hammered, the middle relief was “ineffective” and generally the game devolved into a comedy of errors and mediocrity. Yep, that “back of the bullpen” matchup ought to be interesting for the 8 people still watching.
A'sfaninUK
What if Chapman gets a 162 game suspension?
Niekro
He’d win his appeal
A'sfaninUK
Spoiled sport
adyo4552
well played
slider32
Then he can’t become a free agent next year!
Lanidrac
Those 6 innings games will only happen when they actually have a lead, which may not be that often with the team as it’s currently constructed. It seems strange to me that the Yankees would make this kind of move when they already had a strong back end of the bullpen, while the starting pitching and some of their offense remain their real issues.
slider32
Yanks were second in baseball last year in runs!
vmmercan 2
The trade gives them options at a minimum. They can trade Miller, Miller/Gardner, Miller/prospects to fill some or all of those needs. Or they can collect a pick on Chapman by giving up very little, resign Chapman with all the money coming off the books or trade Chapman at the deadline if they are indeed out of it.
greatd
Don’t understand the hype on the Yankee prospects at all. Judge hit .224 / 8hr / got on base at a .308 clip and struck out a around a third of his at bats at 3A. Sanchez seems like he has a great arm and a great power stroke but has never hit over .287 in the upper minors. Mateo seems like the most promising but hasn’t been above A ball yet. Maybe I’m used to seeing the great infield and outfield prospects that came up through the Sox system (Betts / Bogaerts / Bradely Jr / Swihart) , but don’t understand the hype around some of these guys.
MB923
It’s not like .287 is a low BA, especially for a catcher
JBJ can’t hit at all (won’t argue about his great defense). August 2015 the exception.
Look how poorly Bogaerts started in the bigs. He then finished 2nd in AL in BA
I’m absolutely not saying Judge will be better than Any of these guys (except JBJ), I think it’s just too soon to say he won’t be good. And I know that wasn’t what you said, but he wouldn’t have been a Top 15-20 prospect if there was nothing good about him.
flslacker
Catching in the Minor leagues is tough business. Riding on a bus, catching a game in a tin can clubhouse. Saying in motor inns. Don’t be fooled by minor league stats.
chicubbies1
What a mediocre “haul” for the Reds. An equivalent talent swap if they traded with the Cubs would’ve been Candelario, Villanueva, Jake Stinnett, and someone like Dallas Beeler. That’s pretty crappy honestly. Thanks Yanks for making this division that much easier. As for the Yanks….. good luck with Chapman….. I have a feeling you’ll need it. I get the excitement over the Betances, Miller, Chapman trio for the 7th. 8th, and 9th innings…… but that doesn’t mean anything when your SPs all blow. Not to mention the fact that Chapman might get suspended with what is going on in his fucked up life right now, so he might not even be a factor.
cbwalradth
Jocketty has turned Cueto, Frazier, and chapman into middle relievers, slap hitting second basemen, triple a outfielders, and no one as a real threat to ever flirt with an all star game. He’s turned a playoff contender into the laughing stock in about 8 years with the Reds! If I were a gm I would be calling on Mesoraco, Iglesias, and Votto and package up all the minor leaguers that no one is interested for the Reds that are licking their lips for!
cbwalradth
Anyone know how Jocketty has a job? Votto will walk 400 times next year and Frazier, Cueto, and chapman have hauled in about enough prospects for a decent single a team!
southbeachbully
Swihart hasn’t hit above .287 at AAA either. Doesn’t mean he won’t be a valuable mlb C. Also. it’s not exactly fair to judge Judge in a very small sample size. He will start the year at AAA and that will be a better indicator.
How come every other scouting report or prospect evaluation matters except for a Yankee prospect.
How in the world can anyone NOT rank Sanchez as a top 100 prospect? I find it interesting that several all Yankee prospects that were NOT rated as top 100 prospects have become everyday players in the majors.
David Robertson, Brett Gardner, Francisco Cervelli, Mark Melancon, Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy (briefly listed as a top 50),, Robinson Cano, Jose Quintana, etc.
southbeachbully
Would this trade make sense for the Dodgers?
Andrew Miller and Brett Gardner
for
Yasiel Piug, Carlos Frias and, Zack Lee?
Dodgers get their closer and a bonafide center fielder. The Yanks can either move Beltran to LF or move Puig there and Ells goes back to CF. Yanks get a mlb ready SP in Frias and some AAA depth in Lee.
Kaboosh
No.
flslacker
Yanks don’t want Piug. Might as well keep gardner. If they trade Miller they’re getting a young stud pitcher, not Ells.
Every year they say they yanks need a starter, but they have Severino, Pineda, Tanaka, CC, Nova and Evoldi. Question marks, sure, but why break up the best bullpen in history for a 10 win pitcher? Nova has more upside than Ells. He was a 16 game winner before his Tommy John. Lets see if he can come back before giving away Miller
johanstrous
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Pass the KoolAid will you? I think you’ve had enough.
Severino – unproven
CC – unwanted
Nova – LMAO
Evoldi – RFLMAO
Tanaka – One pitch away from being out for 16 months
vmmercan 2
You do a lot of laughing, but not much researching.
You know that after his June 16th start where he gave up 8 runs to the Marlins, Eovaldi did the following?
14 starts:
12 starts of 3 ER or less in his first year in the AL East at the age of 25? Then he got hurt. .
Severino is unproven but he did just dominate (for a call-up) for two full months in the majors, he’s as unproven as any young, ace-ceiling rookie.
We heard the same exact crap on Tanaka all of last season. I have a newsflash for you: Every pitcher in baseball is one pitch away from being out for 16 months.
You forgot Pineda. I bring this up because Nova is actually the sixth starter. You’re taking time to laugh out loud at a sixth starter.
bleumagicc
Way to go Dodgers
flslacker
Miller and Mateo for Jose Fernandez. Get it done, Cashman.
gojira15
Is there a Jose Fernandez minor leaguer I don’t know about?