Shelby Miller is still an Atlanta Brave as of this morning, though trade winds are swirling around the right-hander. Here’s the latest…
- While the Orioles have inquired on Miller, per Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter links), there does not appear to be a match since Atlanta obviously seems to be angling for bats.
- The Cubs are also “not currently in [the] mix” for Miller, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets, joining Arizona in that regard. While the Dodgers have had conversations with the Braves, it’s “unclear” where they stand, per Rosenthal.
- The Diamondbacks appear to have “moved their attention away” from Miller, Mark Bowman of MLB.com tweets. There are still multiple clubs involved on the righty, however, Bowman adds.
Earlier Updates
- The Braves reportedly made progress on a Miller deal and a trade could happen as soon as today, CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman tweets (and expands upon further in a report today). Braves management met “late into [the] night” discussing Miller.
- The Diamondbacks are still hopeful they’ll be the team to obtain Miller today, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports (Twitter link). Atlanta and Arizona have had several talks about Miller, though the D’Backs have turned down at least two offers that would’ve sent A.J. Pollock to the Braves.
The Braves are ridiculous. They just acquired Miller last season! He deserves to be their ace! How can anyone root for this team? They’re turning into the Marlins! Immediately dishing any talent. Appalling.
I think it’s going to be another year before we can make that call. I’ll admit I am a little disappointed as well being a Braves fan, but their strategy (so they say) has been to be a contender in 2017. They’ve acquired exactly 30 pitchers I believe since last off-season, so if 5 of those guys couldn’t theoretically rise to the top and be viable options in an MLB Rotation, the Braves brass has fallen far short of expectations.
Hey the Cubs Astros A’s
If you dont understand whats happening, by all means, go root for someone else.
THANK YOU!!!!!!
Jordan, with all due respect, you don’t understand what’s going on. I think they’d be insane to sit on Miller, who I really like, with how much starting pitching is being valued at. Ridiculous? It’s ingenious. Think about it. They acquired Miller (and 4 years of control, now 3) and one of their top pitching prospects in Tyrell Jenkins for 1 year of Heyward, whom they knew was not going to re-sign. Now, ATL can possibly flip Miller for offensive help? Great deal. If they don’t get the deal they want they can sit on him and try and re-sign him when resources great increase in ”2017. This is how you build a winning ball team. Take note, AJ Preller.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I am for them flipping pitching for hitting. I guess I failed to make my argument clear. I was trying to say that Miller is essentially disposable to the Braves because of all the talent they’ve acquired for Pitching of late. I was also a little misleading on my 30 pitchers comment. What I was trying to say is it will be hard for me to believe we can’t find 5 guys in that crop of talent that could rise to the top and be viable starting pitching guys. If there ARE NOT 5 guys out of that group, than the Braves Brass has fallen short of expectations. (I’m sure we easily have 5 future studs for rotation opps).
Harts clearly said he’s getting calls and he’s listening he’s said what it would take to get the job done. An impact bat and an MLB ready pitcher and they’re sticking to it obviously seeing how it’s the braves and Shelby’s not gone yet. They have a ton of pitching and no position players. I don’t think Shelby is near the pitcher he’s put out to be after one good year not even that. Half a year. And some can blame it on the bull pen and he was left in too long but an elite pitcher as he’s put out to be should be able to go 8 innings without a problem. I don’t want Baez if the braves could get Soler, Panik, Duffy it would be great. But if they do go for Baez, Inciarte, Peralta I think they could get that potential impact bat and the mlb ready pitcher they’re looking for.
Shelby Miller did have a great season in Atlanta, but judging by his win / loss record. You see how many holes that The Braves have currently. Shelby pitched great but we did not have enough offense and the bullpen was bad. The fact that The Braves are shooting for someone like an A.J. Pollock in trade discussions even though they won’t get him. Shows the type of return that it would take to pry Miller away. The Braves are working to get prospects with as many years of control as possible and / or MLB ready players who have good value. As many of these cheaper controllable players you get to graduate to your roster from the minors. The more money you have to spend when you are closer to contention.
The Braves have totally rebuilt the farm system through shrewd moves. Acquiring extra draft picks, preparing to spend huge in the international market, and acquiring extremely high upside players albeit some with risks. The only deal that I can’t wrap my mind around is The Hector Olivera / Alex Wood trade. Other than that I personally trust the Braves front office.
People complain about The Braves becoming cheap and being like the Marlins. When the truth is The Braves are still rebuilding, and with Rebuilding you move your most valuable and typically most expensive assets. I mean anyway you slice it. The Braves at present are a non-playoff team with or without Shelby Miller. The absolute high water mark for this team in wins in 2016 is 75 and that is if everything goes perfectly. So if you can deal Miller now before his arbitration numbers start to get more expensive and he has that extra year of control that teams will pay handsomely for. You pull the trigger on it. The Braves will have to receive enough high end prospects / or a solid regular MLB who will be with the club for several years to come to pull the trigger though.
The Olivera/Wood trade is not done yet. Like you said they are collecting draft picks, which they also got in this trade. That pick will not be made until July and that is where the Braves good possibly make or break this trade. Maybe someone like Daz Cameron drops in the draft due to the amount of money he wants and Atlanta is able to snag him and pay him there, like the Astros were able to. Just a thought.
I think they are trying to put similar team Astros have cheap young talent.
Atlanta can have Blaire/Shipley with O’Brien.
Laughable return for an elite arm like Miller.
Miller is not an “elite arm.” He had a very fine first half and was slightly above average in the second half. All things considered (not taking 2015 by itself), Julio is currently ATL’s #1 starter.
Elite? Uhhh
Include Lamb, and I would pull the trigger
I think AZ is where he is going unless Baez is being offered by the cubs
I;m a Cubs fan. I chased Javy across the Midwest League at various stadia in the League.
I would have thought Atlanta shot it down.
I’m pretty confident the Cubs won’t get Miller without Soler. That seems most practical from a Braves Fans POV
Glad Baez deal didn’t happen. Would much rather see a package with Soler or a package from dbacks for pollock.
Interested to see if bethancourt will be involved in these talks and if we trade for Soler does that mean Markakis would be made available or would Soler play center?
Lucky as seems to be out
Baez and Hendricks
This will get it done, IMO.
Braves want no part of Baez, he goes completely against the philosophy new management has imposed since taking over.
You have no proof of this. Baez was a different player after he came up last year. He has an unreal upside. The power for a mid infielder is ridiculous. If I’m the Cubs, no way do I include Baez for just Miller. And what’s their new philosophy? Guys with no power like Markakis?
Their philosophy is contact hitters with high OBP. I agree with Mike, the Braves just got done tearing down a team filled with guys like Baez.. As far as your “unreal upside”, that might be true, however he is still considered a prospect by most peoples evaluations. And a sample size of <100 AB's does not allude to him being a different player. He's a gamble
You have no proof im wrong. What was the point of that comment? They’re trying to build the team around pitching and getting on base, like the old Braves, like the Royals that have been the best team in baseball the last two years.
Why am I discussing anything with someone who puts stock in 76 at bats though, and yeah compltely different player in those 76 at bats, he only struck out 33% of the time instead of 50%, how exciting.
Right, and Baez has improved his game to where he’s striking out much less. Might want to pay attention to baseball more closely, as things like that change quite often. As it stands now Baez is a plus 2B/SS defender with a top of the order bat. Only problem, the Cubs have two of those already, ergo a trade of Baez for Miller makes a ton of sense for both sides.
Yeah, were arguing about a baseball trade in December at 10am regarding a prospect, a poor attempt at insulting the other person for not knowing about baseball is a pretty dumb move, no?
Im not in the business of putting a ton of stock in 76 at bats, or thinking that a strikeout rate of 33 percent, or 25 in the minors is some huge feat that should be celebrated. This is the nature of prospects, sometimes people/teams dont like a certain prospect that everyone else loves.
Hendrick and Miller are very similar.Both solid #3 starters who had extremely similar years last year. In that situation,there is absolutely no reason to add Baez, Hendrick for Miller would be far enough by itself. Maybe a small prospect going to the Braves as well.
Miller had a 3.5 bWAR last year, Hendricks had a 1.8. so no, they are not “very” similar.
Miller had a 3.4 fWAR last year, Hendricks had a 3.4, so ye, they are “very”similar.
I’ve seen this brought up multiple times. Hendricks threw 20 less innings, had an era almost a full run above Miller and projects to do the same again. fWAR is not everything when evaluating pitchers.
It’s easy to have a good era when you have simmons at ss. Look at their fip and xfip. Hendricks also projects (steamer) to be better than miller next year.
Braves should target Almora or Happ instead as a center peace to a deal and get C.Villanueva tossed in with the deal.
Baez can play the whole infield. That’s who the braves want
He’s playing CF in Winter Ball.
He’s playing CF for the first time just in case he gels there the Cubs won’t have to trade him, but playing a plus 2B/SS defender in CF is a real waste. Miller is a better fit in Chicago and Baez is better in Atlanta.
He played cf a lot in hs and claims he likes it, color me curious. Is Mookie Betts playing CF a real waste? The cubs have tons of MIF prospects and no cf. There also aren’t a ton of cfs available via trade or free agency, so if Baez can hold his own there, it’d be helpful to the team, at least for this year.
Then they shouldn’t have dumped Peraza.
I’m not sure Peraza will ever be more than a backup infielder/4th OF type with great speed.
I see him as as a younger version of O.Infante with better arm and plus speed. But we’ll see, just my opinion.
The Dodgers have Peraza now and they don’ want to play him either.
I’m fine with the framework there, as well.
Even though the braves have insisted supposedly on getting Pollock or proven major league hitters, if the D-backs overwhelmed them with an offer of Blair, Shipley, O’Brien and Lamb it would be a no brainer for them to pull the trigger. That type scenario would be extremely unlikely though. I do believe that Hart/Coppy is looking to get overwhelmed however.
Now personally if I was offered Baez and Hendricks I’d agree quickly even with Baez high K history.
Lmao! That’s a package you offer for a guy like gray not 3/4 starter like Shelby. Inciarte and Anderson/godley is a more reasonable offer
I want some of what you’re smoking
lol none of those guys are even that good, AZ doesn’t have a good farm system. O’Brien is a DH at best.
Miller will end up with the Cubs.
Baez for miller.
Braves have already rejected this … and for good reason. They have little interest in Baez. Cubs fans are really and truly delusional about his value.
I don’t see where Baez alone is enough for Miller. With Coppy’s & Hart’s love for pitching and small ball I doubt they value him and his strikeouts as being enough for Miller.
Baez & Kendrick for Miller and a teenage prospect is a fair deal for both.
In what world is that fair? Kyle Hendricks himself may be as valuable as Shelby Miller.
Shelby 2015: 3.45FIP 4.07xFIP 3.4fWAR 4.16SIERA 7.5K/9 3.2BB/9
Hendricks 2015: 3.36FIP 3.25xFIP 3.4fWAR 3.37SIERA 8.35K/9 2.15BB/9
Baez and Hendricks? You’re absolutely kidding yourself.
Nope, not kidding myself. Just aware that trades are not 100% dependent on stats.
yeah, screw objectivity,
Well, Hendricks has a better hair cut than Miller and he also has a nicer car, so he wins there too.
From Bret Taylor: Consider this: how many big-time, young, controllable positional players are you hearing about on the rumor mill besides Baez (and Soler)? Virtually none. For all the talk of controllable pitching being valuable because of the pricey free agent market, at least those arms are plentiful and available. The same does not appear to be true on the positional side, especially when you’re talking about guys who are controllable for as long as Baez and Soler are.
Yup, certain people keep completely ignoring the Braves direction towards an OBP based team, they dont want a guy thats going to strike out 250 times, Frank Wren isnt our GM anymore. I dont care how highly ranked Baez was/is, he doesnt fit this team.
Hart & Co. have been saying they want to acquire a young power bat for over a year now. You really think they’d let a high K rate for a 22-year old stand in the way of that?
Baez doesn’t K as much anymore though, he fixed his approach. Did you know players are allowed to improve? Crazy right???
A K rate of 31% in 76 at bats is considered “fixing” his approach? Well that is bette then 44%. He also showed a lot less power, only 1 hr, in those 76 at bats. Give him 500 at bats at the MLB level I bet he has 175-200 k’s and 15-18 hrs.
I saw where Cubs/Rays were in discussions centered around Baez. Braves were focused on Soler. I’d be okay if Cubs could get Odorizzi and Miller and use their FA money on Heyward and maybe Parra.
Rays are talking to Odorizzi about an extension. I don’t believe he is being traded.
There is no guarantee the Cubs are getting Heyward. You want to trade Baez/Soler and get Odorizzi and Miller? You’re stupid. Bats are better than arms.
Arrieta Lester odorizzi Miller lackey (Hendricks)
Heyward
Schwarber
Rizzo
Bryant
Castro
Russell
Coughlan
Montero
I’m liking it a lot
Braves should just Add Heyward(10/220, back loaded some to average 20 mil for first five years), Add Flowers(3/10), Trade Markakis for a prospect or draft choice or Third Base upgrade(Lawrie, Plouff, etc.) This adds 12-15 Million to the payroll within the budget. Keep Miller and Teheran. Far better approach than all of the trade proposals for Miller or Teheran. If we can’t get Heyward for 220 million then there are others just as good that we can get.
If a trade is inevitable do a simple deal with Boston Red Sox. Shelby Miller plus a pitching prospect(Prospect 9-15, ie. Ellis, Jenkins, Bird) for Jackie Bradley(impact bat?) and a Left handed 3-5 starter such as Owens, Rodriguez, Johnson(#3).
Other than that, do nothing keep the roster and save the money until halftime.
Braves fan here, I’d rather the $220M than Heyward. No thanks. Odd that your plan is to reacquire 2 former Braves (JHey, Flowers). A 3-year contract for him would be a head-scratcher. And Dombrowski will want more for Bradley than that, guaranteed. I like Bradley, but we have Mallex Smith waiting in the wings.
So a #2 prospect, a mid level prospect for an elite defensive glove (and still young and promising bat) and a top pitching prospect? Oh man Braves fans are great.
Trout
Stanton
pollok
Donaldson
harper
Rizzo
Heyward
Cespedes
Altuve
I’m likkng this as a revamped mets lineup
I love it. Might I suggest trading Cespedes for Buster Posey though? Your team needs a catcher and Posey is better anyway. The lineyp could look like this:
Pollock: CF
Stanton: DH
Harper: LF
Trout: SS
Donaldson: 3B
Posey: C
Rizzo: 1B
Heyward:: RF
Altuve: 2B
Nice lineup right there…….
No decaying corpse of Mordecai 3 Finger Brown, no World Series. Sorry.
In 5 years it will look more like
Reyes: SS
Hamilton: LF
Kemp: CF
Braun: LF
Beltre: 3B
Vmart: C
Fielder:1B
Reyes: SS
Uggle: 2B
I never knew Altuve could pitch as well. Just boosts his value, I guess. 😉
lol.
If the Dimondbacks trade Pollock for Miller their offseason is ruined
I hate to see Shelby go. However what kind of package would it take to get Todd Frazier
I really don’t see a trade where Baez by himself becomes Shelby Miller or as some are saying on other threads Baez/Soler for Miller+. Braves did that their fans would kill them for letting Heyward go for, in reality, nothing. It’s not realistic to trade for talent without giving up talent that’s how trades work. A relative unknown that’s built on potential v. a proven starter that is arguably an ace but typically one of the best #2’s in the league looks like a trade out of a video game.
The only people arguing that he is an ace or one of the best #2’s are Braves fans.
Makes you wonder why both the Cardinals and Braves would give up on Miller so soon.
For all you people who think miller and Tehran are worth to prospects well I have show you all . For all you fans of other team
Here is list of 25 year pitchers
Player. W–L— era—-g—Ings.—so—-whip
A. 6. 17. 3.02. 33 205.1. 171. 1.247
B. 10. 8. 5.05. 22 118.1. 93. 1.458
C. 14 12. 3.70. 32. 202. 136. 1.396
D. 8. 11. 3.18. 26. 161. 134. 1.147
E. 12 13. 3.48. 34. 224.1. 218. 1.137
F. 12. 11. 3.22. 28. 192.2. 172. 1.173
G. 11. 17. 4.84. 33. 201.1. 163. 1.403
H. 14 14. 3.47. 33. 233. 222. 1.220
I. 14. 5. 5.43. 33. 179. 161. 1.503
J. 10. 11. 4.32. 32. 193. 168. 1.268
K. 12. 8. 3.85. 31. 215. 184. 1.107
L. 15. 8. 3.41. 32. 203. 225. 1.230
If lol at they stats you see how close they are . So you tell me miller or Tehran who is a year young . And has close they are to same players
What kind of deal are the Reds looking for Todd Frazier
Ow I left off this 25 player
M. 11-10. 4.33. 30. 176. 152. 1.285
Just so all know who these 25 old player
Play names
A Shelby miller
B jake arrieta
C Adam wainwright
D Jordan Zimmerman
E David price
F. CC Sabathia
G. Justin verlander
H. Felix Hernandez
I Cliff lee
J. Cole hamels
K. James shields
L. John Lester
M. Jared weaver
All at age 25 tell know all you fans of other team that Braves should get top prospect for them
Coming from a Cubs fan, Arrieta was not worth top prospects at age 25. We paid a back up catcher and fifth rotation arm for him at age 27
But look what he became two years later
Why can’t the braves realize that in order to contend they need to keep young talent instead of trading them away. Shelby could anchor our rotation for a long time. Make the trades stop already and spend the money to get great franchise changing players
To all Braves fans the real reason for Braves trading all are players or that they could resign Heyward or Upton . It wasn’t because they had bad farm system (because that could be fixed bye drafting and developing better player. It not because they didn’t have the money or bad TV deal. Braves fan front office has been trying to put red carpet over brave nation eyes. The real reason is liberty media is trying to set up a sale for the Braves . There try to prove prospective buyers . They had one trim the fat. Take it down the bare minimum . To let other future buy what there potential earnings that why they building the new stadium so that chance to show more future earning to the future buyer . So fellow brave fan we are going to have to what tell we get new owner ship for brave to win again . Because when library media bout the brave they did it as a favor to mlb . So sad as it is this what really going on . Company like library media have stock holders that they have to answer to. And these stock holder want best for there buck. This kind of stuff happen all the time in stock market . Company will take there stock down so they can sell it low . In hope that can find someone buy it knowing that stock will go up and they make more money . So it win both party’s . The old own can sell it because there goon to make initial earning and buy is banking on long term investment. So I hope his answer every body question why this is going on with the Braves.
Bye the way I’m not new age number cruncher who live bye the number I’m old school guy
The Cubs and Dbacks are both out. Slowly teams are realizing that the Braves don’t actually want to move him and that the price tag is insane. The Braves are basically like “He’s not available but if you want to blow us away with a huge offer, go ahead.” Miller will be in Atlanta on Opening Day.
As a Braves fan I am 100% ok with this. It is how it should be!! Keep Miller unless blown away with more then what he is actually worth.
You never know they might be convinced to take more on the lower end talent than the kind they want
just wasting teams time. If they really wanted a young controllable bat with good defense and a near ready top pitching prospect….its already been offered by the Dbacks. Peralta./Inciarte along with Bradley/Blair/Shipley. time to move on..
How is that wasting teams time? Just because you like the deal means jack all… Offer what the Hart and Co. wants or step off. Its that simple. Its business. The only person wasting time is the Dbacks. They know exactly who the Braves want. Either cough it up or move on like they have.
calm down lol. Atl is the one shopping Miller and calling on every team to whip up interest. Asking for Severino, Pollock, Baez/Soler, etc is a bit much and few (other than braves fans) would disagree. Millers advanced metrics are that of a back of the rotation starter than an Ace or number 2 some braves fans are proclaiming. 2013-2015 stats 3.25 walks per 9. 3.87 Fip xFip 4.10. The stats dont lie. That being said he is young, could improve and does eat some innings.
BTW, the Dbacks are the ones rejecting the multiple offers from ATL and Miller not the other way around.
Not true at all. Braves didn’t call anyone. They called BACK to make a counter offer to the Dbacks original inquiry.
Stats dont lie eh? Sure as hell lied to the dbacks then. I’ll take it. kthx
No the Cubs are said to be “not currently in the mix”. Thats not “THE CUBS ARE OUT”. The Winter Meetings have barely started and you’ve already declared that hes staying put. Based on what? A rumor from a rumor site? Thats a bang up job detective
So is anyone else hearing that the Cubs are actually getting serious about sending Baez, Soler, and Hammels to Atlanta for Miller, Williams Perez, and a currently unknown player? I just read it on another site and was wondering if it could be legit.
No chance that the Cubs move soler and baez in the same trade for less than an ace much less Miller. One of those two alone are arguably enough to bring Miller back
You probably read it on the Braves Weekly….No chance
#KeepShelbyMiller!
I’d like to see Miller and some prospects for cargo
Cargo is expensive and not great away from Coors. Wouldn’t fit the idea of unloading to spend big internationally. I love cargo though. I wanted him for Heyward + prospect when I thought we were still holding everyone else
I’ll look forward to the first time I see someone comment that Pitcher A, who’ s leaving Seattle or San Francisco or Tampa, should really only be judged on their road numbers as they pitched in an extreme pitcher friendly park.
And I’ll be waiting a long, long time.
There are stats that look at a pitcher in a neutral environment, so that kind of helps, but I’ve definitely heard this. How many people have talked about the effect of petco on a pitcher and revitalizing their careers.
Cargo doesn’t make sense, as he’s only got 2 years left. But other Rockies outfielders might, starting with Corey Dickerson.
Lookes like cubs and az are probably out on miller. Dodgers are sorta in. Wonder if their is going to be a mystery team to go after him
Once again to every body who think Braves asking to much for Shelby miller and Julio Tehran read my post above you will see how Shelby 25 compared to other great pitcher at the same age then tell me he not worth kings ransom
Kings ransom for a # 3 lol
Braves fans are funny.
Hate to tell you no Braves just because guy can hit 95 to 100 doesn’t make a ace . The easer gun is over rated . Are you tell me that kuechel or cole hamels are not ace . Because they throw 93 to 92 are you tell me that Tom glavine , Greg maddux , jimmy key , Andy petititte or Barry zito or mark buehler where not aces really .
So your idiotic post, which compares the age 25 seasons of established aces and Shelby Miller. Your theory is that because these guys are aces now, Miller is an ace because his numbers are slightly similar and should in theory require a top prospect haul. You claimed to be an old school numbers guy. Nothing more old school than wins-losses which Miller has the worst record, which in your crazy theory, would make Miller the least valuable at the time (and probably only more valuable than Lee and Sabathia currently).
Bye the way the post that Arizona and Cubs are out is joke .you know how many time team a said there out then few days later they come make make the trade . I can’t count how many times that happen . It’s call posturing . They trying get brave comes down on there price but when they don’t and they realize that if they want a play they finally give in . So I give no thought that Cubs and dbacks are out. Please child
The post that Arizona and Cubs are out of the Shelby miller sweep stakes . I can’t count the many time that teams have said there out on player x . To only give in few days later . When they realize that the other team is not bugging on there cost . So this called pondering. They hoping Braves will get nervous and come back with less price. Which braves won’t because they don’t need to trade either Shelby or Julio . And dback and Cubs want to win know and they both need pitching to win. Because at end of the day pitching wins games not slugging or ops. And end of day dbacks are going against dodger and Giants and Cubs are going against cards and pirates and they both know they need great pitching to beat there rivals plane and simple
100 percent correct his value can get much higher at the trade deadline Braves have no reason to take a light offer. Phillies ended up getting a better package for Hamels by waiting until the deadline, they ended up with a huge haul.
To clarify not expecting a Hamels package just that not settling for what the Red Sox were offering was one of the smartest thing Amaro ever did as a GM.
more risk there too tho, if Miller gets hurt or has a slow start, POOF! value gone
Or teams come back if the team drops its price. The cubs don’t need pitching right now and even if they did there are still many options available, I think this is more just the reactions by teams who feel the braves are asking for a ridiculous return on Miller. I don’t understand why braves fans seem to think it’s everything other than that.
Astros could swoop in and make this happen.
I think teams are wising up to reality and backing off this overpay situation. Miller is a really nice pitcher but he’s no ace yet.
To the Jays for Saunders dicky and Thole !!! Come on Shipiro
No thanks! Now a package of miller for max Pentecost I’m intrigued I’d like to get one of yalls of prospects too
Good. Cubs came tot heir senses like I was hoping they would yesterday. Miller….. overrated.
“Shelby Miller’s past 40 starts: 2.86 ERA and .230 opponents’ average with 203 strikeouts and 82 walks in 248 2/3 innings” (Quoted from DOB, AJC Braves beat writer)
Yeah, with those numbers, how dare Atlanta ever think they could get anything of value! They’d be lucky to even get pennies on the dollar!
Seriously good luck getting any pitcher with those numbers without giving up top players in return.
Why is he using 40 games? That K:BB ratio is also less than stellar.
That where you all don’t get it team are don’t made trade for what player have down they trade for what play can be. They what play with up side that going to help them win . And like said above Shelby miller and Julio Tehran have 25 24 both and still on the same path a other great pitches like post I showed above talk time to look at it . Bye way for any one think Cubs don’t need starting pitch don’t understand where the do have two great pitcher .The reason they lost was they went against a team in met had 4 great pitches and pitching wins World Series And Cubs only had 2 and 2 4 starter
wtf?! engrish prease
First off think you speak English second for every body don’t think I make any since . I hate to tell you I have iq of 148 so before we talk about how smart someone is you need to know who you are talk about . I probably have under ware that older then you are
“I probably have under ware that older then you are” Best line ever!
But honestly, I still don’t understand you. Do you mean English is your second language?
The mets had better pitching and lost to the Royals. Boom, your argument fails. Regardless, even if whatever you are saying wasn’t ridiculous, Miller doesn’t add a torp. Finally, your posts are a garbled mess. Are you using an online translator or something?
No it didn’t the reason royal bet the mets was that royal where total team . Met had better starters but royal had better bull pen/ defiance and timely hitting .Which what win in the play off and especially in World Series . So no argument didn’t fell . I was talk about why the mets beat the Cubs . And no I’m not using a translator I was born in Alexandra Virginia in 1973 . And second just because you don’t like what I have to say doesn’t mean that what I say doesn’t make since . Bye you need to know who you talk about. I have IQ of 148 and I’m old enough to remember last time the dodger won a World Series . You most like just kid that just about the number and radar gun right . Some kid that never play the game . There a reason why antic people don’t run front offices bye them self . Because sports are not just about the stats . The player are not a robots or a computer . There human beings . With minds and feelings . And if would understand this you understand better what make a player. If ever watched a Braves game not your team you realize that Shelby miller got the least run support in all of baseball . And when he didn’t get many run to play with he way trying to aim his pitches where to go not let them move . So his fast ball was strait and more hittable and when he gave up a run he would try harder and he gave up more hits that lead to more runs it was snow ball effect . And with ever lose it just got bigger. So before you speak know what your talking about