TODAY: The Dodgers are also talking with the Indians about Carlos Carrasco and Danny Salazar, Jon Morosi of FOX Sports reports on Twitter. Those two names have long been in play, of course, but it’s notable that Los Angeles is back in discussions after seeing several other moves fall through in recent weeks.
Cleveland is not in any rush to deal its starters, as the front office has continued to emphasize in public statements and ESPN.com’s Buster Olney explained earlier today. But the club still seems entirely willing to talk about its power arms, and certainly seems amenable to trading them in the right scenario.
YESTERDAY, 6:15pm: ESPN’s Jayson Stark tweets that there’s a good deal of buzz in the industry that the Dodgers could look to a trade with the Rays in their quest for rotation upgrades. Odorizzi’s name is generating more speculation than most, he notes, although Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times spoke to several sources and got the sense that there’s nothing imminent between the two teams at this time (Twitter link).
1:02pm: The Dodgers are in talks with the Rays regarding Jake Odorizzi, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter). The Dodgers’ three-year, $45MM agreement with Hisashi Iwakuma could be up in the air and it’s possible that the Dodgers are weighing their alternatives.
Odorizzi, 26 in March, has pitched well for the Rays in each of the past two seasons, though he missed some time in 2015 due to an oblique strain and was thus limited to 169 1/3 innings. Odorizzi doesn’t throw particularly hard, averaging about 91 mph with his fastball, but he’s shown an ability to pick up strikeouts at an above-average clip nonetheless. Over his past 337 1/3 innings (2014-15), Odorizzi has a 3.74 ERA with 8.6 K/9 against 2.8 BB/9. A pronounced fly-ball pitcher, Odorizzi does have a rather low 33.5 percent ground-ball rate in that time.
Earlier this month, it was reported that the Rays were in extension talks with the right-hander. Odorizzi’s agent referred to the proposal as a “very nice initial offer,” which suggested that while there was a good starting point, nothing was imminent on that front either. Odorizzi is not yet arbitration eligible and won’t be until next offseason. He’s controllable for another four years, so it stands to reason that the Rays would like a significant haul to part with him. Of course, after Wednesday’s three-way deal, the Dodgers are sitting pretty in terms of prospects, so they can afford to make a strong offer to the Rays.
The Dodgers definitely have enough to get it done.
Wonder what kind of offer would be fair.
You would think a good package always has had a great arm with control but I don’t think it’s in the same sphere as a Shelby Miller. I would be interested to see if McGee is involved because then it gets bigger
Maybe something on the lines of wood and lee
No way. Wood’s got very little value after his 2015, and Lee at this point is a AAAA guy. Besides, the Rays aren’t interested in more pitchers. They have them out the wazoo, which is why they’re trading one. They want position players, especially SS, 1B, C, and maybe a corner OF.
Any team dealing with the Dodgers should ask for the moon as they have mismanaged their postseason badly. I would not hesitate to ask for Corey Seager, Urias and all other top prospects as they are desperate for reliable top notch pitching. Maybe Andrew Friedman and staff are not as great as people think.
Friedman is not as great as Friedman thinks.
You can’t blame them for a failing physical or a domestic abuse pop up or for a team to out bid them…
…then what CAN you blame them for, SoCal???
These guys are supposed to know what they’re doing…they supposedly have all the money in the world (although they have been pretty good at keeping it in the closet) …and a passel of prospects……and they still have yet to sign a pitcher since that group of broken down horses last year!!!
SO FAR THEY HAVEN’T DONE DICK!!!
Yes we can blame them, on both counts. On Chapman, the Red Sox somehow seemed to know about his problem back in November and looked elsewhere. The Dodgers didn’t seem to get the word until the story was broken on Yahoo Sport in December, after the deal was already in place. Oops. On the other, even you assume the medical issues of a frequently injured pitcher were a mystery, they still allowed the Mariners to swoop in with a very team-friendly low-risk deal. You have to wonder how the Dodgers were unable to get him on similar terms. Oops again.
Before U keep talking start reading. I don’t always agree with what upper management has done, but don’t make them gods either. All upper management types have ego issues and they all run into some of the problems we’ve incurred. All of U have the problem of putting them on a pedestal, your biggest mistake. Money aside, things do sometimes go on a down “streak”. The biggest mistake in their time so far is the lack of getting BP players last season (that one was HUGE). This year Greinke was the cause for all the misfortunes that followed that situation, As far as Greinke is concerned I consider him a COWARD; LIAR; & TRAITOR “HE HAD THE POWER TO TURN AWAY FROM OTHER OFFERS. WE MATCHED MORE IN DOLLARS BUT HE WANTED THAT “1 MORE YEAR” WOW. HE DIDN’T EVEN HAVE THE BA__S TO INFORM THE DODGERS HIMSELF, HE LIED TO HIS FANS AS HE LOOKED STRAIGHT INTO THE CAMERA AND SAID HE WANTED TO BE A DODGER AGAIN, THEN TO ALL HIS TEAM MATES AND “FRIENDS” WHOM HE ALSO LIED TOO. IN CASE YOU MISSED THE INTRO WITH ARIZONA HE WAS ASKED HOW CLOSE HE WAS TO MAKING A DECISION “WE WERE MINUTES AWAY FROM CHOOSING ANOTHER” HE DID NOT SAY CHOOSING THE DODGERS, I think he was going to go to San Fran, because the name DODGERs should have been second nature to him. Now Iwakuda didn’t want to come to the dodgers after they had rejected him..That’s why he signed with his old team, Chapman if the REDS knew in November they should have disclosed it and they didn’t that is why Dodgers didn’t find out till December. I have theories about future trades or lack but I’m not a fly on the wall. Let’s just hope they pull off the DEAL of the season, and stop all the bickering.
They might have misplaced their cards but.
Kazmir and Leake both on a 3-4 year deal may be enough to compete.
I’d be worried about the offense a bit more.
Adrian’s getting older and Joc’s struggles in the second half is worrisome.
Adrian’s contract is up 2017 or 2018 with Kershaw (opt out) Joc will get his self together he’s very young. Oh and I don’t think Adrian is that old.
Kazmir is a LHP to add to a rotation already consisting entirely of LHP, so check him off the list, and Leake is just plain mediocre. If they are going to take a flier on a RHP it might as well be Maeda. Kind of doubt that’s going to happen though. These guys are just too risk averse to give him the number of years someone else undoubtably will.
The name Seager needs to be involved in that discussion.
That’s either the funniest or dumbest comment today.
Seriously, a package of Seager would be more along the lines of a Fernandez trade then Odorizzi, who’s nothing more then a #4 with a ceiling of being a #3.
While I agree that it’s foolish to think that Seager would be involved in a deal, you are seriously understating Odorizzi. He’s been one of the top 50 SP over the last 2 years. That makes him a lower end #2 already. Being only 25, he still has the chance to improve more as well. He also has 4 years of control remaining and will take a large offer to pry him away from the Rays.
he’s never pitched more than 170 innings…
and lets look at his career:
20-24, 3.77 ERA, 374 IP in 2.5 years, 250 k’s, nearly 3 BB/9, 1HR/9, less than 9K/9, and a FIP higher than his ERA..
doesn’t really signal #2.. more like average #3 arm so far in his career.
I hear what your saying but a pitcher who only throws 91 at 25 means in 3 years that might be dipping down into the upper 80s/90 range not very good for a fly ball pitcher. If he threw a sinker I would understand. I just don’t see the #2 range for a pitcher of that type. In AT&T or Petco he would profile much better.
Over the past two seasons, the first two full seasons of Odorizzi’s career, he ranks 45th in ERA, 38th in FIP, 50th in xFIP, 38th in fWAR, 21st in K/9 and 24th in K%-BB%. He also put these numbers up while pitching in the AL East, where he faces the best offenses in baseball regularly. He has a better FIP, xFIP, K/9 and BB/9 than Shelby Miller, as well as more team control and we all saw how much Atlanta got back for him.
Asfor his fastball velocity, I wouldn’t worry as much about that since he gets swings and misses and strikeouts. His K% and swinging strike percentage are both in the top 35 of MLB and compare with players like Cueto and Wheeler. Combine that with good control and improving command and I think his lack of premium FB velo is a non issue.
He obviously won’t get Seager back, but the Rays are under no pressure to move Odorizzi. I would be shocked if he doesn’t command a strong return.
Odorizzi is more than a #3 or #4 especially now that the dodgers have close to no one behind Kershaw
You may want to go read the MLBTR chat where Adams said it would take Joc Pederson and 3 more pieces to get the that trade done.
Dumbest.
It most certainly does not. That would be an insane price to pay for Odorizzi. Even though Odo is good. Seager’s name comes up when we start talking about Archer…maybe.
Not even. That’s when you tell the Rays there are other aces out there
There aren’t other aces out there with Archer’s trade value though. He’s not the best pitcher, but he’s one of the best with the best contract in the game. He’s controlled through 2021 (6 years), making no money. Huuuuuuuuuuge value.
I’m not saying I’d definitely trade Seager for him, but I’d probably think about it.
I wish you could like this comment. Dead on.
It absolutely needs to be involved in the discussion. Maybe Friedman just caught his wife in bed with his brother, and now he wants to let some of the havoc in his personal life seep over into his professional life… You never if a guy wants to sabotage his own career until you ask –
I agree with you completely. Seager’s potential is far greater than Odorizzi’s fastball! He would be a very good 3rd pitcher on the team. I wouldn’t place him yet as the 2nd pitcher in the rotation unless forced to do so.
For archer seated would still be too much
No he wouldn’t. Archer is more valuable than Seager, even though Seager has a ton of value. Archer is controlled for just as long, but will be less expensive than Seager. He also has already established himself as an ace. As good as Seager might become, the chance he becomes a steady 4-5+ WAR player starting next season is much less than 100%.
I agree Odo isn’t enough for Seager, but im thinking McGee and Odo for Seager, Giving a big upgrade at both starting 5 and bullpen.
Lets set the Seager issue to rest “HE’S NOT GOING ANYWHERE” we have other players who could be used. And if the request is coming from the Marlins for Seager it’s Mattingly who’s pushing it. In the 2+ years management has been functioning they have been dead set against Seager probably more so now that he’s up to the bigs, but they have lightened up on URIAS. Nothing would make Kershaw happier than to have a Fernandez type pitcher behind him, RARE but Marlins are swearing they won’t trade “NO MATTER WHAT”. No team can do anything about that if you can’t get the cooperation from the other team.
Odo, McGee, and Brad Miller for Seager. That’s fair for both teams because Odorizzi is just entering his prime with the potential to be a long standing #2 on the Dodgers. McGee is a dominant reliever who could even be a closer and Miller is a solid platoon player who the Dodgers have shown interest in before.
the name definitely needs to be brought up… just because i feel like the Dodgers FO needs a good laugh after the month they’ve had.
What do the Dodgers think seagar is? (And I don’t mean that to come off with any negative connotation) Is he trout, Harper, miggy, machado, or even correa? The same draft as Seager landed correa, wacha, russell, all out of hs just like seagar- and all have out performed him. Both Harper and trout were two time all stars at the age of 21. Hell, starlin castro, had an appearance on the ballot for rookie of the year, had an all star game appearance and had mvp votes….
Seager isn’t proven yet. He is still has risk. A better known commodity, with mlb experience and control is better than a wild card.
look at it this way, Power is harder to find these days than good pitching. Seager is one of the best power prospects in the game today. The Dodgers problem last year was offense more than pitching, so trading offense for pitching just because everybody else in the division is loading up on pitching isn’t exactly a quick fix for them.
So in the end the question is do you trade Seager, a player who could be every bit as valuable as Odorizzi and who fills a need on your team now, plus probably other future talent, just to patch a different hole that still leave the team incomplete?
For all the love Odorizzi gets (and i am a big fan),he’s still far from a proven commodity himself… yeah, swapping one for the other is more or less a lateral move for the Dodgers
Wacha got drafted out of college, and Russell and Correa both made it to the majors the same year that Seager did. I wouldn’t say they all out performed him, Wacha has 3 years under his belt as he should as he’s 3 years older then Seager, Russell didn’t exactly tear it up in his first year, and Correa had a very good year but he got called in the beginning of the year. Seager proved in s short time frame that he can be sucessful but time will still tell.
You are correct about wacha – I meant to use McCullers. I get that seagar is a very nice prospect, but what do the la fans think he will end up becoming? That’s what I’m trying to ask. I do not mean to be sarcastic, but is he expected to,be the next Ripken? (I know baseball but I haven’t seen him play all that much and never in person – so that’s why I’m asking)
He put up a nice stretch and he seems to be doing good so far.
To be honest I’m not sure what he’ll become, but from what people are saying he’s a player who will start at SS and then be forced to move to 3rd as he fills out. The guy is 6′ 4″ and has really yet to hit his potential as power hitter. I see him as some who hits borderline 300 20hrs 30 doubles, with solid defense. I guess if you could compare, maybe Scott Rolen
You are correct about wacha – I meant to use McCullers. I get that seagar is a very nice prospect, but what do the la fans think he will end up becoming? That’s what I’m trying to ask. I do not mean to be sarcastic, but is he expected to,be the next
Ripken? (I know baseball but I haven’t seen him play all that much and never in person – so that’s why I’m asking)
He put up a nice stretch and he seems to be doing good so far.
Just ignorance. Seager is TWENTY ONE going on TWENTY TWO years old. Trout and Harper are 3 years older and have been in the League longer. Seager just came up last late year and immediately began hitting .340. He looked like an all star. There is no risk in this kid. He will be a 8 to ten time All Star.
There is no risk in Seager? So much stupid…
Bud, you didn’t read my comment. By the age age of 21 both Harper and trout were all stars. You are my all star.
What he is saying is that Trout and Harper were already very accomplished by the time they were Seagers age, ALL STARS we are comparing 21 year old Trout and Harper.
Not gonna happen
If you think Seager needs to be involved for Odorizzi then you are high because Corey alone has more value than Jake
We’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re joking.
An archer-seager deal would actually be pretty feasible. Odorizzi? Not so much, though I like his ceiling.
That is the single dumbest comment I ever heard anyone say about anything.
The Rays made an extension offer to Odorizzi, and his agent said it was a good initial offer. Maybe talks didn’t progress from there and the Rays have instead looked to moving him over one of the other pitchers. Given the prices for pitching right now its hard to blame them for exploring a deal, but the Dodgers are stingy with those high end prospects (deservedly so), and because of that I doubt a deal gets made here,
Odorizzi is a very similar pitcher to Shelby Miller, maybe even a little better. He also has an extra year of team control which has value. He should get a solid bit more than Miller was worth. So this will be a good opportunity to see how much better of a GM Friedman is than the Dave Stewart trainwreck.
The single encouraging peripheral on Miller – the one that sold the DBacks that he could be a legit 2 in the big leagues – was his GB%…. and with Odorizzi, his GB% is garbage. He’d be lit up if he pitched regularly in most parks.
His GB% is low, but his HR/FB percentage is actually good. Which usually means that while you’re allowing a lot of balls to be hit into the air, it’s usually weak contact, soft fly balls, pop outs and such.. And that’s playing a good number of his games in NY, Boston, Baltimore and Toronto. The playing environment would be A LOT friendlier going into the NL West.
He should get more than Miller was worth, but less than MIller returned.
Could Puig be in play here? The Rays need something to boost the ticket sales. They could use him for at least half the season and if he is doing well but the team is out of it then trade him and get a haul of prospects back.
Interesting concept actually. Doesn’t seem very Rays-like, and Rosenthal did say they’re interested mainly in prospects.
Dodgers don’t really have many A level position player prospects though. Not sure this is a great fit.
A outfield of Puig, Kiermaier, and Souza/Mahtook doesn’t sound too bad.
Don’t think that will happen dodgers don’t really have anyone good enough to replace him
The free agent market for outfielders is really good right now… We can trade Puig and get a Justin Upton or a Yoenis Cespedes
Only way that happens is if the Dodgers have an agreement with Cespedes or Upton. An outfield of Crawford, Pederson, and Ethier with Van Slyke, Thompson, and Hernandez as backups probably wouldn’t work.
Like you said. It won’t happen. Ethier and CC won’t be attempted to be moved until OF market it done. Plus Puig is the only potential RH bat that presents potential power. SVS is a power option but he hasn’t shown to stay healthy.
Puig won’t bring people in. Not me . I go to games but if he is a ray I won’t go. Dude is a bum and is a cancer to the team.
You read way to much gossip, your known as a gossip hound. Don’t listen to that crap. If its good stuff you believe if it’s bad you believe and either way they could be wrong.
Whoever said seager is insane I think a package around Holmes will get the job done maybe him and 2 lower level prospects the dodgers have don’t know who they are not really a dodger fan, but that should easily get the job done
I think that would be a part but they would also want some positional depth. The question I have: Is McGee in this package if so it becomes a bigger package
Why would the Rays want Holmes? They have 2 better pitching prospects who are closer to the majors.
Ya….because teams want to limit the amount of high upside arms…….
Because Teams often trade from a position of strength to make it even stronger that makes sense to you? Use logic.
Rays aren’t trading Odor for other pitchers. It’s hitters or bust.
Cubs were talking with them about a deal centered around Soler OR Baez – so
its not crazy to think it would be centered around a top 5 LAD prospect.
It is when you consider that Seager is much better at a premium position. Essentially that would be like the Cubs asking for Bryant.
Seager is a dynamite prospect and likely can’t miss but comparing him to Bryant is a bit of a stretch since he hasn’t proven anything at the MLB level yet. Meanwhile Bryant is the defending ROY. Might need to pump the brakes at tad.
I’m not saying he has put up the stats that Bryant has what I was saying was he’s at the same status Bryant was last season. Bryant wasn’t getting moved for a #3 or #4 type pitcher. Especially since like Seager he’s the only guy that is primed for that position. Consider his abs where down the stretch he never looked overmatched and he played great defensively. Not only add to the overall service time plus power and he’s only 21. He’s not a k machine like Baez. He’s
Difference is a couple of LA’s top 5 prospects and top 5 in all of MLB. Then they’ve got DeLeon in the low 20’s, and Montas/Holmes in the 50’s. Soler/Baez have already been exposed as whiff happy/low OBP players with power potential.
I could see this turning into maybe a 3 team trade with the rockies getting invloved. Dodgers get odorizzi rockies get prospects and rays get puig of course there would have to some more pieces added but thats a good framwork.
If The Dodgers are getting Odorizzi and the Rays are getting Puig why would the rockies be anywhere in that trade? That would only make sense if Puig was going to the Rookies outside of that there is no point to bring in another team
And im pretty sure rays would only trade for manily mlb players not prospects since they werent that far off from the playoffs this year
The Rays are ONLY trading for prospects, and for bats, They have three MLB pitchers in AAA, with one being the best player in the minors last year (Blake Snell). Calling it trade will be Odo and McGee for Seager and Alvarez. Takes care of LA’s need at SP with a solid #2 type and gives one of the top bull pen arms in baseball (Odorizzi is conisered a top 45 pitcher with only 32 teams, thats makes him a #2)
If they trade Seager for Odorizzi I will stop following Dodgers baseball until Friedman leaves town…you don’t trade a near can’t miss prospect for a #2 starter at best…if we didn’t trade him for Price or Hamels at the deadline for a WS run, why trade him now? I would be so mad I can’t even explain it
I could see McGee being thrown in then that might would require them to give up Deleon I still think Holmes would be enough and another pitching with some upside not top tier and Austin Barnes then some prospect for the Dodgers in their top 20-30
oddy will bring a big price. i think these guys could be a few that the Rays would look into: DeLeon. Holmes. Buehler. Van Slyke. Verdugo. Bellinger.
The first 3 prospect are more along the lines of wishful thinking than something that will happen
hardly, especially since LA is looking as McGee as well, a solid #2 type pitcher along with a top 10 bull pen arm, and you think Deleon is untouchable lol.
Seeing that buehler is just off TJ surgery yeah he’s not touchable. I can see DeLeon not being touchable for a odorizzi type but fl starter def not untouchable
Ordorizzi for Ian Thomas and A.J. Ellis. Thoughts?
If I’m the Dodgers FO, I do that in an instant. Realistically, there’s no way the Rays would agree to that.
If you were the fo and did that deal than you would get the joy and break it to Kershaw his personal catcher and carpool buddy just got traded gl
Probably would need a minor league prospect in that deal, like Beuhler or someone else not Seager, Urias or De Leon.
Don’t see beuhler getting traded for him. I think it would take someone a little better
Again buehler tommy John surgery right after he was drafted
Jake McGee and Odorizzi for Van Slyke, De Leon and Guererro? Maybe? Maybe just the first two? Or straight up odorizzi for Puig ?
Wouldn’t even touch Ordorizzi’s price
His price shouldn’t be very high tbh he’s barely a number 3 sending De Leon plus one maybe two more should be more then enough
But it was both McGee and odorizzi. SVS works as a throw in for one guy but Guerrero and his contract doesn’t work anywhere besides the dfa wire
Van Slyke and Guerrero have very little if any value. Van Slyke because he isn’t very good and doesn’t have much control left, and Guererro because of his weird contract that makes him basically impossible to trade.
De Leon’s a nice piece though. Him and two other high level position player prospects might do the trick. I think most of the Dodgers prospects are pitchers though.
No chance of any of that happening
Guerrero I believe has to play out the season if he is traded, so basically he’s a longterm rental in a trade. The problem with him really is he hardly hit a lick last year and has little value defensively.
i see replies saying the Dodgers should give up Seager or Baker or some ridiculous talent for Odorizzi. First, Seager is the Dodgers number 1 starting SS in 2016. He wasn’t even available for the Fernandez trade talks. The max you will get for Odorizzi is B level picks. You might get Beuhler or the Cuban kid a pitcher we have and maybe both but Ordorizzi makes 500 grand a year. You aren’t getting top tier talent unless Rays are adding someone else to the deal. Not to mention Ordorizzi’s top pitch speed is 91 MPH. He’s a 3 or 4 in a rotation at best.
I think its more wish full thinking for tb fans. Dodgers won’t give seager for Fernandez what makes people think they would for anyone on tb
Hate to say this guys but Colon has been pitching that way for a long time and has proven he can win games that way. Colon doesn’t have a good number of pitchers and a good pitching coach to help improve and add to his existing. If a pitcher really wants to move forward and opportunity is available he will improve. Look at BRETT ANDERSEN; He finished 10 and 10 when everybody was so down on him in the beginning. He struggled towards the end of the season which he kinda thought he would; having not gotten there in 6 or 7 seasons for one reason or another.
Ummm, no.
That is all.
0% chance of happening. 17 player trade? Come on.
God awful, just like all the other trades you’ve proposed
I usually don’t care about ridiculing somebody else’s grammar, but yours is hilarious.
It’s Jeff bagwell know your history before you say something really just shows how much history you truly know dumb ass
Do you know that when you say “top tear” it is actually “tier” for someone who says we are all “dumb kids” your not so bright yourself oh wise one
This is a top-tear response right here.
First off, (see how I used a comma) learn how to use commas. Second, you cannot spell. Jackass is one word. Last thing, you don’t need a space before a period but you need two spaces after one.
Lay off the whiskey and meth it’s making you go crazy, I have never seen you post anything on here that is remotely close to being a decent post. I think you are just a drunk old man who has nothing better to do than try to insult the younger generation because no one would even consider making a baby with you. We all get it now you are a 40 year old virgin who can’t get laid still
Keep smoking those trees brah.
Your troll game is on point.
Does anyone not understand that buehler just had TJ so yeah that’s all!
The Rays are going to turn a strength into a weakness real quick if they don’t chill a little on moving starters. They need bats, that much is obvious. Move Boxberger and Mcgee. If they got back anywhere near the package that the Phillies got for Giles, then they will be in great shape going into 2016. A passable bullpen can be constructed with B- and C+ free agents.
They have enough awesome pitching prospects to deal a few guys.
Dodgers dont know if they are coming or going.
Send Urias and Joc over plus some other mid level prospects for Chris Archer and then sign Cespedes. I would love that.
Nope. That would hurt dodgers a little more than tb.
Well played mate. Your bait > my bait.
I am enjoying reading all the comments and proposed deals. Keep in mind that the Dodgers’ FO makes their decision based on value-based data, whether if you believe in it or not. They might have money to purchase a superstar, but it is obvious from not signing Greinke for a sixth year, or passing on Cueto, that they stick to their principles. That is why I don’t think Puig will be traded. His value because of a variety of legitimate reasons is extremely low. You trade, when the value is high. As a Dodger fan, let’s be patient to see how they address the SP and RP issues. They didn’t do a good job last year(especially relief pitching), so they need to redeem themselves. Perhaps a value-based model isn’t appropriate when a team has money. I don’t know.
It’s also appropriate for wealthy team trying to hang onto as much of their wealth as possible. Winning and providing satisfaction long denied to Dodgers fans could very well be a secondary consideration. We have very little evidence to suggest that the FO is trying to accomplish anything but wealth conservation for ownership, so they may be doing exactly what they want, and feel no need whatsoever to redeem themselves.
The Dodgers just need to be set to sign Strasburg next season. Kershaw and Strasburg would be a great 1-2. There are enough decent guys out their for them to fill out their rotation without breaking the bank or giving away the farm. Outside of them getting Fernandez there just isn’t an ace worth giving up top prospects.
….and another lost “Decent Pitcher”….and another broken down pitcher on the Dodgers radar”…
There’s a BIG SMELL coming from Chavez Ravine these Days!!!!
A couple of years ago I was at a Dodger game where a skunk somehow got into the stadium. Took awhile but they finally managed to extract it. Analogies to follow…
…a lot of skunks have been stinking up the stadium for the last couple years….
Ugh. Three straight division titles. What a bunch of losers!
Haha it’s ok. We still dodger fans trying to trade a guy off of TJ which is kind of funny not much you can do.
Don’t think the Rays shift Jake O without a massive return from the Dodgers and no doubt they asked the same of the Cubs.
Perhaps the Dodgers will have to take Loney as part of any deal.
Don’t really want to let Jake O leave right now, Cobb out for the season, question marks linger over Moore and Erasmo, although the latter can be a great asset if he can continue his second half of the season form, and no Karns to help support the rotation.
The Rays FO clearly think the 3 good arms in the minors are MLB ready if they do trade away another starter.
Dodgers will get him but they will not trade seager
Magic, is that you? Since he is the only one that can definitively say what the Dodgers will not trade, I just assumed.
Since just about every article stated that Seager is untouchable, it’s a pretty safe assumption. No need to be snide, you a$$.
Hey Dodgers you can have CJ Wilson cheap
sure you can have crawford and his contract
Ok the Dodgers eat the difference in their contracts. Which is about 6 million next year and his entire contract for 17
Actually, I think a CJ Wilson type (i.e., someone with a hefty salary to be offloaded) is probably a more likely acquisition for the Dodgers than these young cost-controlled pitchers from the Marlins and Rays everyone is squawking about.. You’re going to have to pay through the nose for a Jose Fernandez or a Chris Archer, even on Odorozzi because the Fish and Rays will be pleased as punch to retain them if they don’t get a king’s ransom. The Dodgers need to combine their financial strength and prospect depth to get the best deal: a decent #2 or #3 pitcher in exchange for salary relief and some less-than-top-shelf prospects. Someone like a James Shields. Then, going forward, you retain Seager, Urias, and the like and Shields eats innings and settles into a #3 or #4 starter for a couple of years..
This does make a lot of sense, and I would not be surprised at all to see this play out just like this.
sure you can have crawford and his contract
Carrasco is on a very team friendly deal, Cleveland will need quite a haul for him. I wonder if Urias + Ethier with the entirety of Ethier’s deal covered by LA will get it done.
Not even close. The Indians won’t want anything to do with Ethier or Crawford no matter how much money is covered.
JD Drew had a very nice career, injuries took their toll but he was a very good player. I would be happy if Joc had JD’s career.
Guy with a carrer obp of .384.
Would love it if he turns into him.
Hahahahahahahahahahhaha so dumb
Hahahahahahahahahahhaha you need some serious help stereotyping everyone into stuff that none of us even follow
After what the Braves got for Miller, definitely going to follow potential suitors for Cleveland and Tampa.
ROFL (rolling on the floor laughing). Did scrooge McDuck take a swan dive today into his vault… 7 figures worth of pennies. But dont worry braves fans he is up and posting “Kunkuss” (sic). My man go to the store and spend a little of that change. Or is it your pre-historic dinosaur arms have a hard time typing on any small device? Regardless, while a day ago you made valid comments that prospects do end up being busts more times than not, and I will even give it to you today somewhere in all of that jibberish you brought up clubhouse chemistry, and team economics really just being about profits, which I feel one is true about winning and the other is real in terms of team make up… knuckle drag your way out of this talk. Seager for Jake O. Is absurd. Here is why: 1. Service time for Seager makes him an extremely valuable chip if you will. 2. Power infielders with plus defense are premium in their prime… and Seager has not hit his prime. 3. Pitchers arms are all suspect and the whole reason the dodgers are interested is they were not comfortable with Iwakuma’s physical.
Clearly “mean bottom line” may have some reflection in every baseball move… but if you wanna talk about clubhouse chemistry being crucial along with that comment realize that the dodgers would give away puig for a bag of balls (and still might), especially after Greinke’s departure. Oh wait. He sells jerseys and is often if not weekly than bi-weekly major mlb talk. So while u like to discount prospects and hype up pitching, and evenreference team bottom line remember that the dodgers are a legitimate atm to players. They are spending in top 5 and a annual first round playoff exit… which does effect “mean value” long-term.
While I am on a rant know (dam not damn it, my iphone screen is acting up again) sic… To just completely disregard metrics, advanced metrics, and futures values in contracts in the current landscape means you understand very little of the current landscape of the game… hate it or love it this is what it is now! As billy says, “adapt or die.” If you openly comment that you “understand” in your big t-rex brain that agents care about metrics and use them to help leverage clients equity, then please recognize that the arbitration process does as well and that the arbitratration process greatly effects the values of these CHIPS if you will. If you dont believe thats fine, but I cannot imagine seager for carresco or salazar and I am bigger on both than Jake from the Trop.