WEDNESDAY, 8:16am: Zunino is not in the potential deal involving Lind, Heyman tweets.
7:19am: Catcher Mike Zunino’s name also has been a part of trade discussions, although it’s unknown whether he’s involved in the deal, CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman tweets. Zunino’s inclusion might have broader implications for the Brewers, who also could conceivably trade catcher Jonathan Lucroy at some point. The Brewers have reportedly been listening to trade offers for Lucroy.
6:14am: The Mariners are “close” to acquiring Lind, Rosenthal tweets. Tom Haudricourt of the Journal Sentinel, meanwhile, writes that there’s speculation that 3B/1B D.J. Peterson could be part of the Brewers’ return. Peterson, the 12th overall pick in the 2013 draft, hit well in the low minors but struggled last season at Double-A Jackson, batting .223/.290/.346 in 393 plate appearances there.
12:45am: The Brewers and Mariners have made “very substantial progress” on a deal, Jon Morosi of FOX Sports tweets.
MONDAY 5:29pm: Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto acknowledged that he’s talked to the Brewers and several other teams about possible first base acquisitions, Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times tweets.
2:22pm: The Mariners, who minutes ago reportedly agreed to acquire Wade Miley from the Red Sox, are also in pursuit of Brewers first baseman Adam Lind, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). Seattle has a need at first base after trading both Mark Trumbo and Logan Morrison already this offseason.
Lind, 32, batted .277/.360/.460 for the Brewers in 2015 and would give the Mariners a potent bat to deploy against right-handed pitching. He’s a lifetime .293/.354/.509 hitter against righties and batted .291/.380/.503 against them in 2015. Lind is the quintessential platoon player, having logged just 112 PAs against lefties in 2015 and owning a career .213/.259/.327 batting line against southpaws. The Mariners have a potential in-house option to handle a platoon in the form of Jesus Montero, or the team could look to bring in a free-agent platoon partner such as Mike Napoli.
The Brewers exercised a one-year, $8MM club option on Lind this offseason on the heels of his solid 2015 season. He’ll be a free agent next winter.
Who is Dipoto trying to give away now?
The rest of the bullpen probably. Benoit and Furbush. lol
That once pretty tight pen (other than hapless Rodney) has been spent now. What is DiPoto going to do now? Bargain bin shop to fix it? That’s what the marlins generally do and one can see from year to year there how that works out.
The poster below thinking DiPoto gives up Paxton for Lind needs a reality check..
The Braves do too, it is about your player evaluations.
Lind was an impact bat in 2015. He started 149 games so he was an everyday player 87 RBI playing a lot against the staffs of the Cubs, Cards and Pirates is nothing to sneeze at. A back end of the rotation guy like Paxton is a fair return. A failed prospect like D J Peterson is not.
Who knows, my guess is Paxton. He was one of Jack Z’s favorites and Dipoto seems to hate anyone who the former GM prized.
If it’s Lind, it has to be for an impact prospect. Cardinals gave up Kaminsky for Moss, who was a top 100 prospect. Lind is better than Moss.
No, really it doesn’t “have” to be an impact prospect. Deal for Moss, you’re really talking Apples and Oranges. That was a deadline deal when teams overpay for players they need. STL lost their 1B to injury, had a need. Moss also had more team control.
Lind might be decent, but he’s a platoon player, so $8 mil is no bargain.
Actually, $8 million isn’t what it used to be, especially with revenues exploding like they have.
I’ve seen it estimated that 1 Win Above Replacement is worth approximately $7.5 million.
For Adam Lind to be “worth” $8 million, he would need to achieve 1.1 WAR this season to justify his cost.
Using Baseball-reference, his last three season’s WARs were 1.9 in 2013, 2.0 in 2014, and 3.1 in 2015. If you prefer Fangraphs values, his WARs were 1.6, 1.5, and 2.2 in those same three seasons.
Steamer is projecting a WAR of 1.3 for 2016 according to Lind’s Fangraphs page.
His contract is just not unreasonable, or burdensome, even if you have to bench him against most lefties. Since most pitchers are right-handed anyways (and he hits them very well), Lind is worth the price tag.
So yes, he would cost Seattle a relatively good prospect. With Seattle’s farm system relatively weak right now, it would likely be a highly rated (for the system) prospect. And if the report of 21 teams checking in on Lind is in fact true (it probably is “technically” accurate, although I doubt 21 teams have a real need for Lind), there’s competition for Lind, and that would drive up the price a little bit more.
So pretty close to no excess value. That doesn’t warrant a to 100 spec
everyone, and anyone he can, ridiculous!
We could probably use a 3rd base prospect from SEA……
If Dipoto trades u Peterson u should consider your team extremely lucky, that would have to be among the stupidest trades of all time unless he aquired all ur top prospects
The only players he’s “given away” that I’ll miss are Smith and Miller but neither of them are crushing. Also, without signing Kuma and dumping Trump’s salary they should have some money to fill some bullpen holes.
Hold on Dipoto let me get JD on the phone. Moreland and lower level prospect for Zunino.
The Rangers will need to get another prospect alongside Zunino for that trade to actually seem fair.
Dipoto hung up the phone. Said something about Preller on the other line. I’d hate to know what those two were up to.
Throw in Odor & you “might” have the makings of a fair trade!
Lol. Odor AND Moreland for Zunino? Zunino alone wouldn’t and shouldn’t get either of them – let alone both.
You know, I’d rather just do Moreland for Zunino straight up then at least we could have a first baseman
Craziness. Nobody takes a kid 3rd overall, rushes him to Majors, watches him hit 20+ homers with excellent D and then trades him for a one-year rental. Unless that GM wants to get fired, that is!
Maybe sexson will come back and play first
I say we sweep in and trade Walker for Chapman.
Can we just give away our last top prospects for Lind to finish off this debacle
yes
That would be fine by me.. The Mariners top prospects aren’t even in other clubs’ top 20..
This is the point. WE DONT HAVE ANY TOP PROSPECTS! Look at Jack Z’s draft picks man. They all suck. Jerry is blowing this pile of shit up as he should.
I’m a lifelong Mariners fan BTW not a hater.
Well said!
Alex Jackson. The one gem in the disaster that is the Mariners farm system. Sure, he had a terrible start to last season, but he finished quite well and has an extreme amount of talent. Everyone else in the farm should be traded for major league talent, like Lind.
You’ve really lost your mind! It’s ONE YEAR of Adam Lind, He’s a platoon first baseman so its not like $8 mil is some huge bargain.
If the Cardinals could nab Kaminsky (88th best prospect in baseball) for Moss from the Indians, the Brewers should easily be able to get a top 100 prospect for Lind. He’s better than Moss. I don’t really see them matching up. Not much Seattle can offer.
Good thing you’re not the Brewers GM. Lind is a platoon 1B w/ one year of team control left at a non-bargain price of $8 mil.
Lind had 6 fewer RBI than the top guy in Seattle’s lineup last year. This playing in the pitching rich NL Central.
If the Indians could nab Kaminsky (88th best prospect in baseball) for Moss from the Cardinals, the Brewers should easily be able to get a top 100 prospect for Lind. He’s better than Moss. I don’t really see them matching up. Not much Seattle can offer.
Dipoto is doing a good job overall. It’s crazy how quickly people forget how secretive JZ was and how we over paid for every GOOD trade. Not to mention the horrible trades like FISTER for Casper…. Figgins….. and overpaid for Cano. Not to mention there would never be a rumor due to his perspective of keep things quiet and he was just an A-hole. The only deal we haven’t come obviously ahead is the Miley trade but it’s not as bad as people are thinking. People are looking at ERA and wins and loses but not computing pitching in Boston compared to Safeco! Keep up the good work and I retract this positive post if we trade Felix for Lind…..
Dj Peterson for sure
I hope so. Dude’s awful and a head case
Doesn’t anyone else think it was stupid to trade Trumbo and his $9 million tag, just to trade another player for (gulp) Adam Lind answer his $8 million tag???? I’d rather have Trumbo….
Dipoto must not like Trumbo since he’s traded him twice now.
I think part of it had to with with Dipoto inexplicably wanting to acquire Clevenger. He only wants to make trades and never wants to fill holes with the FA market.
Nori Aoki says hello.
Did you watch Trumbo last year. Lind’s consistency is much greater compared to Trumbo. I would take Lind or Morneau any day.
Watch much baseball do you?
Ok I was on board with Dipoto til he traded Smith and Elias today, now I’m a little worried that we are gonna be in a very bad spot. Hopefully he realizes that JOHNNY CUETO IS OUT THERE AND WOULD BE A GREAT PICK UP
Hopefully you realize he doesn’t have a stack of blank checks sitting in his office…
Dipoto took on payroll and gave away our young arms to acquire Miley dude.
He must have a lot of budget to work with lol.
The Mariners do have cap room to work with after the Trumbo trade and seeing as how they haven’t done Jack **** in past free agency to lose any money other than Cano, so presumably Howard Lincoln can find a way to cut his pocket lining to sign a decent player who won’t decline soon
Just hurry up and empty the farm dipoto and even the bullpen
Loving the Dipoto regime so far.. Lind would be a huge get! Great slash versus righties.. Miley will be great at Safeco.. Aro has similar stuff to Smith, and Elias has always been expendable.. The bullpen is going to be much better than ’15 already.. Nice to see a Mariners GM execute a plan rather than a dream.. Finally someone who understands the benefits of playing at the Safe, and actually builds around it.. The last time the M’s had this kind of depth, they won 93 games..
Dipoto knows what he is doing. First job is clean up the mess. He will put together a competitive team. D’Backs fan here. We should have kept him as GM a few years ago instead of that idiot Towers. Oh, well that is the past. In his short time here he made some good deals. In the long run you will be happy with Dipoto. Give him time to see what he is doing.
So far I have liked what Dipoto is doing. We still need bullpen help, including a closer. But he gave up a 30 homer a year player in Trumbo and a LHP for the bullpen to get a backup catcher and free up money by not having to pay $9M to Trumbo who would have been the teams everyday first baseman. Lind is a platoon player with an $8M price plus losing whoever we trade to get him. Does not make sense to me.
Benoit? Solid closer.
How does a trade of Adam Lind and Jeremy Jeffress for D.J. Peterson, Chris Taylor, and Tony Zych sound? In this scenario, the M’s fix their two major holes while not giving up too much, while the Brewers get a prospect who was a top 50 prospect as long as a year ago, a slick-fielding middle infielder who can still develop a bat, and a decent relieve prospect.
The Brewers have countless players that have the same skill set as Chris Taylor – he doesn’t really offer any value whatsoever to the Brewers.
I’m guessing that the return would start with one of D.J. Peterson, Luiz Gohara, or Edwin Diaz. After one of those players is included they will likely add an arm of 45 caliber.
its one-year of a platoon 1B and a relief arm. No thank you!
Lind made 30 starts vs. LHP last year. He was an impactful bat in 2015 with 20 HR and 87 RBI playing in the pitching rich NL Central. How many guys in Seattle’s lineup did that last year?
Why are so many Mariners fans against Dipoto’s moves so far? Dude has done a very nice job. He got your #6 prospect and a very good young starter in Karns. He also dumped Morrison! That in itself is a major victory. He dumped Trumbo! Miley is going to be very good pitching in Seattle. Losing Smith and Miller may come back to bite them, but I am still not seeing these major prospects that they have moved. In my mind, Dipoto has done another great job at acquiring good starting pitching for some so-so pieces.
Dumping mistakes shouldn’t be viewed as a positive.
Why not? He’s not the one who made those mistakes and its better than sticking with guys you know don’t fit well in their lineup.
The #6 prospect in our farm I’m pretty sure was outside the top ten prospects for the Rays, which speaks moreso to the sorry state that the farm is in.
Well nothing disastrous has happened so far but the rotation really could use Cueto after Iwakumas departure. I still think it’s foolish to not even make a run at 2 26 year olds (Cueto and Heyward) on the Free agent market, that being said, I do like the remodeling Dipoto is doing even if it doesn’t work cause I was sick of Jack Z sitting around doing nothing
I’d prefer those other first base options like maybe Mauer? Or Rosario?
Personally, If my choices are Mauer, Rosario, or Lind, I’d just as soon have Lind. Mauer just doesn’t offer the power you typically see of a first baseman (damn those concussions moving him out from behind the plate), is owed quite a bit of money left ($69 million over 3 years remaining if I recall), and has no-trade clauses in his deal. Rosario is meh, and the Rockies non-tendered him. If his bat wasn’t enough to keep him in Denver, I can’t imagine it would do so in Seattle.
Worst case scenario with Lind? You get ok production, he loses time to the DL because of his back, his defensive ability deteriorates, you give up an ok (but not great prospect) for him, and he’s gone in one year, and only cost you $8 million.
Maybe there would be better options available for the Mariners than Adam Lind, but Lind ain’t bad.
I think some of you are missing losing Kivlehan, he was almost as bad as losing Smith. I hope we don’t trade DJv in the trade for Lind because we would be in the same boat next year needing someone at first again. DJ hopefully will be ready by then. I also think Maeda would be better and cheaper than Cueto. Nintendo needs to spend some of the $190 mill tv money so do it on him.
Losing Kivlehan was almost as bad as losing Carson Smith? LOL. Because of all those homers he hit @ the Major League level. He’s 25 and a 4-A player.
Seattle reporter today said 21 teams have called the Brewers on Lind. That would tell me there’s a pretty good amount of interest so you would have to think Seattle would give something of significance up
Lind, such a underrated lefthanded bat
Considering Cano / Felix / Cruz’s age.
Dipoto is under a lot of pressure to win now in a division with many strong teams.
Don’t know where they’ll find the pitching to compete with the
Astros or the Rangers getting Darvish back but
my god are the mariners in a tough spot.
If I had the choice I’d go for a complete rebuild.
darn glad you’re not running the team. “Oh woe is me, we have no chance. Let’s just rebuild.” Ridiculous.
I love Lind as a player and wanted the Mariners to target him a few years ago, but he’s now in his final season of team control before free agency. It doesn’t make sense to trade either Peterson or Zunino for him. Don’t give me the “Peterson” sucks junk either. He’s not too far removed from minor league success, and a high draft pick pedigree, that his value has fallen all the way to, “dealt for platoon bat on an expiring contract.”
Peterson may be an ok trade if they believe they can extend Lind a couple years. There are concerns his contact rate and pull percentage and with a bidding war on Lind if they want him they may have to go that high. I agree that Zunino would be way too valuable. As a Brewer fan I was actually looking for them to target a package with Marlette included since we desperately need a catching prospect with Lucroy likely gone within the next year or so, but if they can get Zunino that would be ridiculous.
Would Zunino, Peterson for Lucroy, Lind be fair?
Not even remotely close.
Definitely not.
If Milwaukee really did try to trade Lucroy, just about any other team could pretty easily beat that proposal.
I’m not sure that Peterson/Zunino is enough to get just Lucroy
Lots of teams interested in him that would give way more than that to pry Lucroy away. Seattle would have to include one of their young arms in order for the Brewers to listen.
They “could” but they wouldn’t Lucroy, coming off injury and down year, and only has 2 more years of team control. IF Brewers trading him, they waited a year or two too long to do so.
Given what the Braves just acquired for Shelby Miller, the Brewers should be a pretty nice haul for Lucroy. I would think that the Mariners likely dont have the prospects to land Lucroy unless they involve a 3rd team.
There’s no bidding war on Adam F Lind. There was original talk that 10 teams were interested. If there were a bidding war there’s still be 3-4 teams in the hunt for lind. But there apparently is only one team serious as it seems only a matter of time before Seattle acquires Lind.
We only have him for a year. Is it worth it? If Lind does well, do we try to keep him or let him go like Kendrys Morales (who has not really slowed much since he came and left the Mariners)?
Of course Kendrys hasn’t slowed down. I don’t think it’s possible to get any slower than he already is.
Please don’t go the Giants Alex Gordon
Looks like the Mariners were far too aggressive with moving Zunino and DJ through their system. It’s like they promoted them to higher MiLB levels even when they struggled at the current level. Both still have a lot of potential. Looks like Seattle just mismanaged them. Could have been a product of Jack Z?!
“Could have been”?