TODAY: There’s another potential wrinkle, per Jon Morosi of FOX Sports (Twitter links): Chapman needs 138 days of service next year to reach the six seasons required for free agency. It’s at least hypothetically plausible that he could fall shy if he faced a lengthy suspension.
Rosenthal also details the league’s plans for the investigation, which will include an interview with Chapman, and the difficult questions that the commissioner’s office will face in assessing the matter.
Meanwhile, the prospective trade of Chapman to the Dodgers is not on hold due to any investigatory action by the league, Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports (Twitter links). Los Angeles is “undecided” on how to handle the possible transaction, he adds.
YESTERDAY, 11:42pm: A team that had contact with Cincinnati was left with the impression that Chapman “might have injured a hand” in the incident in question, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets. Obviously, it’s hard to judge the level of concern with that information without knowing which hand and what might have occurred, but the news adds to an already-stunning turn of events.
10:32pm: The Red Sox were in talks on Chapman in November before learning about the incident through a background check, Alex Speier of the Boston Globe reports. Boston was exploring deals for both Chapman and Craig Kimbrel at the time, says Speier, and turned its attention exclusively toward the latter after finding out about the allegations.
10:10pm: C. Trent Rosecrans of the Cincinnati Enquirer has Jocketty’s full quote, on Twitter: “We’ve talked to several clubs. I notified all of them tonight that we’d step back a couple of weeks or whatever it takes.”
9:28pm: Reds president of baseball operations Walt Jocketty says that a trade of Chapman may be delayed by several weeks, MLB.com’s Mark Sheldon tweets. That’s certainly far from the most important element of this story, of course. But a delay in completing a transaction also seems to represent only the minimum potential impact on Chapman’s marketability.
For one thing, any club would obviously want to know if a player being acquired will face disciplinary action. Notably, we’ve yet to hear anything on the situation of Reyes, whose arrest was reported about a month ago, suggesting that the process won’t be swift.
Quite apart from any suspension or fine, moreover, the disturbing report could well come with broader ramifications for Chapman’s future if the alleged facts are supported by the investigation. And that’s probably true whether or not he is ultimately charged in relation to the incident.
8:54pm: Reds closer Aroldis Chapman was allegedly involved in a serious domestic dispute in late October, Yahoo Sports’ Tim Brown and Jeff Passan report. The outlet says that it obtained police records relating to the matter.
According to those reports, says Yahoo, Chapman’s girlfriend told investigating officers that he “choked” her and pushed her against a wall. Chapman is also alleged to have discharged a handgun into the garage of his home.
There were no arrests in the incident. Chapmans attorney, Jay Reisinger, said in a statement to Yahoo that he and his client “vehemently deny the allegations as stated.”
The incident is the reason that a reported trade this morning to the Dodgers has been held up, according to Yahoo. Cincinnati has been aware of the matter “for some time,” Passan adds in an interview on MLB Network Radio (Twitter link). Major league baseball will investigate the matter, Brown and Passan further report.
An investigation obviously appears to be warranted under the new domestic violence protocol put in place between the league and the player’s association. Commissioner Rob Manfred can issue any punishment deemed appropriate “in light of the severity of the conduct,” after an investigation. Notably, neither criminal conviction nor a guilty plea are required to support the imposition of discipline.
The commissioner’s office is said already to be investigating fellow high-profile players Jose Reyes and Yasiel Puig under the domestic violence policy.
jaysforlife
Wow.
cards1
Yikes.
TheMichigan
This is bad. Firing a handgun as well
jaysrock
To me, it is the firing of the gun that is by far the most serious of the situation. How that failed to bring charges just on that basis baffles me, s . however I am Canadian so I do not have knowledge of other legal systems.. However, according to the MLB policy, charges or convictions do not matter. So, considerring the fact that it is in th report itself that Chapman admitted to police that he fired the six shots from the gun, how can now deny it? If this does not mandate a suspension of an entire season, it is joke. I would say full expulsion from the league is the way to go but doubt that but this case pales when compared to Reyes or Puig.
Either way,, he may be done now that this is out there,,,, no one may want him.
bigtwinsfan14
I don’t understand how you can see shooting a handgun in a person’s garage to be worse than allegedly choking his girlfriend. Unless he fired at her, which the story does not indicate, simply firing a weapon is NEVER even close to being the the most serious part of this situation.
Apparently, he’s man enough to make millions of dollars throwing a 100 MPH fastball, but deep down inside he’s just another pussy who’s so tough that he has to, allegedly, beat up on a woman.
Stay classy, Chapman!
MB923
Well then….
MaineBaseball
Well then.
Slipknot37
That took awhile to get out in the public
Meow Meow
So maybe this is the real reason why the trade got held up?
A'sfaninUK
Guess no one will trade for him now!!!
charles stevens
Jerry Jones on line 1.
padam
Classic.
jenduf
Awesome
start_wearing_purple
Reyes, Puig, and now Chapman. MLB is going to have to hand down at least one major punishment if they want their new domestic abuse policy to be taken seriously
Meow Meow
Reyes, at least, seems pretty open-and-shut, since he’s actually facing charges, isn’t he?
forum199
Puig didn’t really do anything physical; it came out that he didn’t touch the victim (his sister), let alone punch, push/shove, or slap her.
gamemusic3 2
Puig’s was just a rumor.
peterangelosisataintstain
Bright as a cucumber he is
CTBrowns
This is a guy who was busted for driving his Ferrari at 120 outside Cincy. I’m not surprised……
charles stevens
Isn’t that what Ferraris are for?
marucci19
Lol true
redszine
It was actually outside of Columbus, OH on 71 North in the suburb of Grove City, OH.
ironman8302
Well…that escalated slowly
tex
“Chapman’s girlfriend told investigating officers that he “choked” her and pushed her against a wall”
Must be a problem among closers.
Papelbon’s teammate told investigating officers that he “choked” him and pushed him against a dugout wall
redsfanman
I sure hope Bryce Harper is better able to defend himself than any player’s girlfriend…
chicothekid
Francisco Rodriguez comes to mind as well when he had problems with his father in law.
legit1213
He’ll be a perfect fit in LA.
gamemusic3 2
“Baseball’s classiest fans”
Mike 97
Obvious troll is obvious.
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
In light of news, Dodgers adjust offer: Chapman for Carl Crawford with Reds. paying all salaries.
mack22 2
Turn your caps lock off will ya!
Brooklyn
Hey Lunch I think you’re losing your money…
If that’s the way you talk about Women…MLB is gonna be investigating you soon!!!
mack22 2
Perfect! Chapman
mcdusty31
Does this mean we don’t have to surrender a top prospect?
ew032
The only thing the Dodgers are dominating is the Luxury Tax!!!
mcdusty31
So many capital letters
mcdusty31
So many capital letters!!!
Cam
Wow. That escalated from the Diamondbacks to Domestic Abuse in a hurry.
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
So, did Reds disclose this fact during trade negotiations or did Dodgers happen to dig it up and then put a stop to the trade? Rather slimey of the Reds if they tried to keep this secret.
redszine
The Dodgers didn’t have to dig more than player records on file with MLB…the league knew when the Reds knew and therefore every other team knew as did the Players Union….which honestly was probably the first to know anything.
peplo1214
If the Dodgers knew all along, then why did the trade only fall through today?
itsmuddy
Articles are saying MLB didn’t find out until today. Also say Sox only found out after doing background check. This all seems to indicate Reds tried to keep it private at least until deal was done.
fdlt46
Dodgers most likely won’t care if he wins
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
They’ll care if he’s suspended 2-3 months of a one-year stint.
chicothekid
The Dodgers just signed Chase Utley, again. They obviously don’t care at all about integrity from their players. They supported him publicly from day one, and then brought him back for more. This isn’t going to bother them, as long as he doesn’t miss any games because of it.
tacko
If only they were as mild-mannered as the Brett Myers, Dante Bichette’s, Bobby Cox’, Milton Bradley’s, Chuck Knoblauch’s, or Kirby Puckett’s of the world, eh?
mrshyguy99
Why do people love to waste their talent for stupid things like this.
Ray Ray
Why does everyone like to jump the gun (no pun intended)? He wasn’t charged with anything nor has he been convicted of anything. Accusation does not equal guilt. I forgot, this is the Internet, accusation equals guilt, acquittal equals guilt, even innocence equals guilt here..
Turtle
This. Maybe he did it. Maybe the woman is a gold digger. Let the authorities sort it out and see what happens.
southbeachbully
I don’t condone domestic abuse in any way shape or form. That being said, and not knowing all the facts, a lot of time a woman can provoke you and in the “heat of the moment” one might not make the smartest decision. We OBVIOUSLY need to control our tempers and be responsible for our actions but it’s not hard to understand how these things happen. Now if it’s a reoccurring behavior then that’s a deeper issue.
Meow Meow
“A lot of times a woman can provoke you”
Yeah so you, the multi-millionare superstar boyfriend, are totally justified in reacting by physically threatening her and firing a gun multiple times. Obviously.
bruinsfan94 2
Really? Do we really need a guy in here saying that women can “provoke” you? Insane! Of course people are gonna say stupid things that make ya mad, but a man should never hit a woman! No one should be hitting anyone because of some words. You really are on here trying to victim blame? Domestic violence and violence against women is a major problem in our country and the world, I don;t think its unreasonable for the public and other teams to be concerned about it. If no charges are filled or hes found not guilty it will go away. No one will care. Even if he was found guilty he probably wouldn’t miss out on all that much unless there was prison time..
MLBTRS
It depends. A 5’2″/98# girl screaming at me will give me a chuckle, but I suspect that your self-righteousness will be temporarily set aside if Serena Williams goes off on you.
sfg22
He can take counsel from his fellow countryman Puig.
TheMichigan
Just because he was “alleged” to have beaten her and shot a handgun does that really mean he did it? is it mainly just hearsay at the moment. I wouldn’t give up on the trade until hard facts are put up
Turtle
Agreed. No arrest was made. If this took place in late October, the case likely would go to a grand jury in December, if the prosecutor believes it is worthy. Legally, it should be resolved by the end of the month. We have no precedent for how MLB might handle it, but if Chapman isn’t charged, the league would have a difficult time disciplining him much, if at all.
Jeff Todd
The protocol specifically provides that arrest/prosecution is not required for discipline. And if charges are brought, there’s no way it will be resolved in a month unless they are dropped or thrown out, or a plea is reached. The criminal process takes forever (though I don’t know specifics as I don’t have experience in criminal law, admittedly).
Jeff Todd
Of course, which is why both the Yahoo report and what you read here are careful to draw the distinction.
Also, I don’t think “hearsay” is the word you are looking for. That’s a legal term relating to the admission of evidence. See here: legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Hearsay
As far as the trade goes, there’s a lot of uncertainty at present. Hard to make a deal in those circumstances, I’d have to think.
jaysrock
Facct: Chapman told police he fired six shots from his firarm while in the garage.. Five went into the wall and one went through the window. Go read the actual police incident report where it is direct quote from Chapman himself. Does not get plainer than that..
beyou02215
No wonder this came to a screeching halt today.
greatd
Puig for Chapman?
joshbresser
This team is sinking.
justinept
He should’ve notified these teams weeks ago. Talk about dealing in bad faith – the guy was dangling a player with potential criminal charges without disclosing the information until the very end.
Turtle
Jose Reyes is from the Dominican Republic. Aroldis Chapman and Yasiel Puig are from Cuba.
Matt Galvin
Dodgers know turn to Chris Sale/Robertson/Garcia in a Trade by giving up Pederson,Lee,Holmes and so on.
bruinsfan94 2
This is in fact real life and not a video game.
link2217
I’m sure The Dodgers and every other team knew about the allegations when they happened. Just because the public didn’t find out until now doesn’t mean baseball didn’t already know. So I’m sure the agreed upon trade will be finalized as soon as chapman is cleared which seems likely since he wasn’t arrested or charged. Just delaying the inevitable.
BlueSkyLA
Well, no. First MLB has its own policies and can discipline a player for behavior that wasn’t illegal. Second, the timing suggests that this impediment to a trade wasn’t disclosed by the Reds, or we would not have been hearing about the trade being finalized, let alone about all of the other supposed interest in him by other teams.
RichW 2
Rules about disclosure are strong. I doubt very much that the Reds held back. Reports suggest the Red Sox were in on Chapman until disclosure was made and they went and got Kimbrell.
BlueSkyLA
If so this opens the question of when the Red disclosed. According to the stories in the media today and repeated here Boston discovered the incident in their due diligence process. They don’t say whether the Dodgers did as well. The wording in the LA media is the Dodgers placed the trade on hold after”receiving word about an alleged October altercation.”
JRS-72
Reds are stating they did not know before MLB did and I don’t see any reason to doubt that. For one the consequences of hiding information from MLB are way higher than the reward and organizations know that. Secondly there were no charges filed, so unless the Reds do regualr background checks on their players, there’s no reason to expect they were informed between when the incident happened in October and yesterday.
BlueSkyLA
So Boston knew before the Reds knew? Something isn’t right here.
link2217
If reports are true that Boston found out in November when they inquired on him it’s safe to assume the other teams that showed interest found out as well. Doubt sox are only team to do background checks. Unless he somehow gets a 162 game suspension he will still be sought in trades. His value may take a slight hit but a contending team like Dodgers would still go after him.
Joe Covert
I am not familiar with Miami law in regard to discharging a firearm in your home and not in self-defense. If Chapman did fire it, then he would have (or most certainly should have) been charged and arrested for something. I guess DV investigations take more than six weeks in Miami.
bbatardo
What I read from police report is he used his left hand to punch car window to get his gun. Sounds like besides being cut could possibly be more
ImReallyHarry
Isn’t Marlins Man a lawyer from Miami? Looks like a perfect fit.
timpa
Its all a misunderstanding. He was just trying to punch Mr. Miyagi and got dodged.
mkeving
How in the world is this just now coming to light?
blackleather
these rich, young bucks never learn, do they?…if I have a million dollar arm, NOTHING on the face of the Earth is going to distract me from getting done, what I need to get done, with that arm…NOTHING!!…especially, if Im from a Third World country, and have no intentions of “going back there”.
women, come and go….and Stevie Wonder could “see” from the picture of him and this chick, she wasnt exactly the chick, you take home to Mama. And if there was some sort of incident that arose, that made you put your hands on her, that definitely means she had no business being with you from the start…and you had no business putting your hands on her.
doesnt matter where these guys come from, be them black or white, US-born, or from Cuba and the DR….when misconduct happens as often as it does, in MLB, you have to wonder out loud, “where are the authority figures in their lives?…where are the fathers?…where are the older brothers?…where are the grandfathers?…and former coaches or priests or boys club counselors?. These guys get some money, and instead of making an effort to become better human beings, they end up acting like retarded animals…
jd396
There’s always the occasional issue with a player, but usually it’s lower-level stuff with lesser-known players. It feels like it’s been since the height of the steroid problems that we’ve had this many players with character issues at one time. Papelbon’s d-baggery at the end of the season and Reyes, Puig, and now Chapman with their off-field misadventures.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
I am glad MLB has a domestic violence policy. Hope they implement it judiciously and offer treatments to both perpetrators and victims
slasher016
A man the size and strength of Chapman “strangles” someone and it doesn’t leave a mark on her neck? I’m thinking someone’s lying…
lacherj
Um…. Yeah being a Reds fan all my life… This is beyond baffeling. Walt Jockety and the enitire upper managament should be fined, suspended….. How for one, can this all go undetected?…. not a word (from what i understand) leaked to the media untill now?… Then the Reds trying to keep it hush hush so they can get rid of the guy and have him be someone else’s problem?… He’s going to miss games.. how many? idk.. but he’s going to miss some.. NO team is going to want to get rid of Top Prospects for this guy..
I like how the Reds were in such a hurry to trade hiim…. “Chapman WILL be traded during the winter meetings”…. so now Walt Jocketty saying… ‘Ok… we aren’t in a hurry lets see what happens”… only because they got caught trying to pull one over on ALL of baseball.. Me personally haven’t been a Chapman fan since he got pulled over for speeding…. and yeah He was never chagred with Domestic Violence but he admitted to breaking a windshield (With his pitching hand) and shooting a gun!….. smh…
ok i’ll be happy with a couple of decent AA players for him now…… lol.
BlueSkyLA
His baseballs should be pulled over for speeding.
The sequence of these events is troubling. Whether or not the incident was disclosed to interested teams in trade talks, it seems not to have been reported to MLB at the time it occurred. If the Reds tried to hide this it would almost certainly be a violation of MLB’s brand new domestic violence policy. Not good. Either way, Chapman’s trade value is currently close to zero and the Dodgers deal for him will almost certainly fall through unless MLB investigates quickly and gives Chapman a pass. And that seems unlikely,
JRS-72
Ironically if he receives a suspension over a certain number of games his FA will be pushed back a year and actually increase his trade value considerably.
slasher016
He would have to be suspended something like 50 games for it to affect his free agency. That is highly unlikely when the police didn’t even charge him due to lack of evidence.
Joseph Anderson
I love scumbag lawyers. “He didn’t do it. It might be his blood, his finger prints, video evidence but there is no reason to believe it was my clients fault. Just because he admitted in on camera showing date, time, SS card and DL doesn’t mean he didn’t. He was a high profile athlete that made millions…..No way it was him.”
jaysrock
What I do not get is how he can deny anything when it says right in the report that he told police that he fired the rounds from his firearm in the garage! It does not get any more black and white than that. I do not understand how one says that and faces no charges at all. I guess with American laws the bullets must hit a human, then we will charge you and deal with you. In Canada, he would be arrested first, charged and if convicted, face minimum of 5 years in prison for “discharging a firear”, not to mention “careless use of a firearm” and other charges under our tough gun laws that could have been laid. No wonder so many are killed by guns in the USA.
bigtwinsfan14
He did not deny firing the weapon. Read the entire article jaysrock. And while you’re at it, keep your gun control/Canada vs US arguments out of here – this is baseball, eh.