ESPN Chicago’s Jesse Rogers has penned a column on the status of the Cubs’ targets in free agency at present. To this point, the team hasn’t given any indication that a pursuit of either Zack Greinke or Johnny Cueto is a possibility, leaving David Price as the sole top-tier arm that the Cubs could be expected to pursue, Rogers writes. The Cubs’ Plan B in terms of free-agent pitchers focuses on Jeff Samardzija at this point, according to Rogers, and sources tell him that the team is also in the mix for Ben Zobrist. Signing Zobrist would all but ensure a trade of Starlin Castro, but of course, there is widespread interest in Zobrist, who is one of the most popular free agents on this year’s market. Rogers lists Jason Heyward as a perhaps speculative target but notes that president Theo Epstein has pointed out in the past how young the game is getting, and Heyward, 26, would indeed fit into the Cubs’ youth movement in terms of position players. I’d imagine that signing Heyward would create further trade speculation surrounding Jorge Soler and Kyle Schwarber, though Rogers doesn’t indicate that Heyward is a top target of the Cubs as things presently stand, so much of that speculation would be putting the cart before the horse.
Here are a few more notes pertaining to the Cubs…
- CSN Chicago’s David Kaplan hears that the Cubs are active on many fronts at this point but still doesn’t believe that the Cubs will be significant players for Price or Greinke (links to Twitter). Kaplan hears that the Cubs are currently active on the trade market and are also in touch with the representatives for Samardzija, Mike Leake and John Lackey. Unsurprisingly, the Cubs’ highly touted farm system has many names that are in high demand as the team explores the trade market for starting pitching. Any of Samardzija, Leake or Lackey would give the Cubs a strong third starter to slot behind Jake Arrieta and Jon Lester in the rotation.
- Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune writes that the difference between this winter and last offseason for the Cubs is that Epstein & Co. can now sell prospective free agents on the allure of joining a contender rather than preaching patience and trust that the rebuild will deliver a winning club. Epstein also explained to Sullivan a number of non-monetary incentives that the Cubs pitch to players, including the team’s new clubhouse and the programs the Cubs have set up for the families of players to enjoy upon relocating to Chicago. “Just little things behind the scenes we do that really impact the lives for our players’ families they may not be aware of,” said Epstein. Of course, as Sullivan notes, those factors alone probably won’t outweigh the difference between tens of millions of dollars, but they could help tip the scales in Chicago’s favor should they make a similar offer to another club for a free agent target.
- Epstein noted today that the club’s early-offseason moves haven’t been without their importance, as Rogers reports. “Depth is underrated, especially in the winter,” said Hoyer. “Everyone will write out lineups in the offseason and they don’t focus on bench, they don’t focus on the bullpen, they don’t focus on guys in Triple-A that are going up and down. Over the course of six months, those are the little moves that make a huge difference.” But Hoyer made clear that more impactful transactions are coming in the near term, with the organization prepared to adapt as the market explodes. “You have to stay nimble and know things will come at you that you might not have expected,” he said. “Some team will throw an idea at us that we never thought about.”
nikogarcia
I see more value in signing a Leake, Samardzija, or Lackey and trading for a Miller or another player of the like than signing Price
gopads
when you put the postseason as your main goal, i’d have to value Lackey & Leake above Price….for now anyways
gopads
Price has been brutal in the playoffs for awhile now – solid on twitter but not on the postseason mound
gopads
dang really? Give me Lackey in a post season game in 2016 over Price for that kind of money, I think Price is a great pitcher but hasn’t shown it consistently in the postseason
chesteraarthur
Neither had Kershaw. You want Lackey over him too?
gopads
Kershaw, no pitcher should make more than him – he gets value plus some with his contributions
Voice of Reason
Too small of a sample size to say he is brutal in the playoffs.
gopads
ya the reg season much longer, but thought he lost like something like 7 postseason decisions in a row with a high era but anyways hope he stays in the AL
chicubbies1
I can’t believe people are even talking about Lackey. Talk about a ton of people with short memories. The guy has been horribly mediocre his entire career. One good year at age 36 though and everyone is acting like he’s a top of the rotation-type guy. He’s a white, old version of Edwin Jackson IMO…… maybe slightly better. Not worth it.
JT19
Worst case scenario is he’s a solid number 4 pitcher. He’s set to get maybe $14-$16 million a year which is good when compared to the overpay Happ got.
jimmyjack
Lackey has a 40 WAR for his career. By definition, if he was “mediocre” he would have a career WAR of 0. Not sure how somebody can be “horribly mediocre” but I’ll let that go.
chesteraarthur
Having a WAR of 0 actually means that you are replacement level. Not sure where you’re getting your definition of what mediocre means
jimmyjack
My mistake. I confused league average with replacement level. Either way, as it is now, Lackey essentially has the same WAR as Dan Haren and Chris Carpenter. Neither of those were “mediocre.” And naturally he got better with the move to the NL, so chicubbies may not be giving his AL ERA’s enough credit.
ryanw-2
Uh I don’t know what stats you’re looking at but Lackey has been much better than mediocre in his career and had several good years before 36. If he’s not worth it, it’s probably because he’s pushing 40.
ryanw-2
Actually you’d be lucky to get all of them to combine for the same WAR that Price would likely deliver all by himself. That was the case in 2014 when the Cardinals were struggling and acquired a bunch of veterans midseason, and then all of them combined for a lesser WAR than what Albert Pujols gave the Angels all by himself. That’s why you sign David Price. Because you have the money to do so, and therefore should have the money to supplement with a Shelby Miller or a John Lackey any way.
slider32
The Cubs have set themselves up, now is the time they make the key moves to put them over the top. I think they have to get another top tier pitcher first and then trade for other pieces. I think Price and Greinke are their safest bets.
Philliesfan4life
I was hoping that the cubs would of got Zimmermann , but him going to the tigers shook up the market. Price could go to the cubs but boston said they are going to outbid everyone, greinke could fit as well but they need to outbid the dodgers, I see the giants getting him
slider32
I also thought Zimmerman was going to sign with the Cubs. Price has a connection with Madden so I still think he goes to the Cubs. I don’t see them over taking the Cards if they don’t sign either Price or Greinke. Remember they have Wainwright coming back.
Philliesfan4life
they need somebody to replace lynn, they might go after kazmir or chen. I hope the angels can get heyward
chesteraarthur
What exactly is this based on? The cardinals had the highest strand rate in the history of baseball for most of last season. They aren’t doing that again next year.
The cubs were 3rd in ERA. They do not need Price or Greinke. They need to fill out the middle and back end of the rotation with people that are not Dan Haren.
lsd265
Although it was very brief, Wainwright didnt look like himself in the NLDS
chesteraarthur
Why do they “need” another top tier pitcher?
garyleetee
Did you watch the NLCS?
chesteraarthur
Yes. I also don’t plan an offseason on a 4 game sample size.
michaelw
They need to bring back the mad Hungarian lmao
Larry D.
The Cubs will NOT be trading Schwarber. #PleaseStop
bustercherrie 2
He’ll go to the Yankees for Dustin Ackley
Philliesfan4life
would you put him in a package for sonny gray?
bustercherrie 2
No, Dustin Ackley!
garyleetee
For Sonny Gray, I would send the As Schwarber, Baez, Castro, and Pierce Johnson.
gopads
right, the guy mashes like not many others as a left handed rookie – rumors about him being traded this offseason crack me up but anyone is almost tradeable these days
JT19
He shouldn’t be traded, but if the Cubs tried to trade for Gray, Sale, Fernandez, Harvey or deGrom, Schwarber would have to be the starting point. Unless the Cubs decided to just trade the entire farm (Soler, Baez, Mckinney and probably two more top prospects) but even that might not be enough.
seamaholic 2
Schwarber isn’t nearly as valuable as you seem to think. He has no real position and is a butcher in his best one, LF. And he hit a rousing 143/213/268 against lefties last year. That’s worse than several pitchers. He wouldn’t be the first to discover a huge platoon split once he reaches the big leagues.
Not saying this is necessarily true, but he MAY be just a good platoon DH. And teams have to account for that real possibility in their valuations.
rayrayner
Schwarber may never be a good defensive player but his hitting will more than make up for it. 61 PA are not enough to judge whether he can hit LHP. Rizzo struggled early against lefties, too, but he hits them now. Schwarber has a chance to be a better hitter than Rizzo.
lsd265
He was a rookie..
gopads
Cubs have been interested in Ross of the Padres, how about a reunion with Cashner?
age1
I agree with niko , while price or Greinke would give you the best chance to win the next year or two, nothing is guaranteed.I think trading for a good young starter and signing an established vet would give you the best chance for long term success and I don’t think the Cubs want to have 3 30 guys making 20 mil a year( Lester and soon to be Arieta)
RedsNut1967
Even though I’ve been a Reds fan since the ’70s,as someone who was hoping to see a Cubs/Astros Works Series, I dint know why the Cubs would trade any of their big young names. Not just because of cost control, but also talent. If they trade Castro,they have Baez. Soler in right. Ace anger in left. I assume there are CFers and catchers in the pipeline . And, 2nd is–my memory is failing me right now. But, keep the kids. Unless you can get something BIG in return . I might jump on the Cubs’ bandwagon, and leave the Reds behind. I’d still hate the Cardinals, at least.
sigurd 2
Please do.
michaelw
Do it, Cubs Blue and send Chap with you we need him. LOL
signedepsteinsmother
I agree 100%. My feeling, in regards to Baez Soler and even Castro, is that there value is low now. But even lower will still get the Cubs pretty close to the same. So there is nothing to lose to let it play out.
Marge would be interesting, but the Cubs love their draft picks. Leake has no QO. The name I never here is Kaczmir; also no QO. Makes me wonder…..
I think Tererhan could be had for MiLB’s. One of the above and him makes the most sense.
Can’t see Zobrist, but agree that it could spell the end for Castro.
I’d love Heyward. Put in CF for a year or two and let the kids play! Then trade from strength.
chicubbies1
Why would signing Heyward create more trade speculation around Schwarber and Soler? Signing Heyward is to complete the OF, why trade another starter just to fill another hole? Makes no sense. Soler and Schwarber are also under control for a looooong time. Sign heyward and you wouldn’t have to worry about the OF for another 5 years… minimum.
JT19
I don’t know about Soler, but as far as I know they’re all corner outfielders. I don’t know what Heyward’s defensive metrics are in CF, or if he’s even played there before but that could be a reason why. I’m sure maybe Heyward could be put into center (or Soler, again I don’t know much about where in the outfield he plays best or if he could even play CF)
blueberryninja
He played a handful of games in CF last year for the cards if memory serves. It’s not his best position though, but he can do it if needed.
michaelw
Stuff moving pretty quick now. Personally I think Price is just playing with the market and it a waiting game. I would bet Greinke signs first. I still think Cubs are headed toward doing two pitchers – a the lower tier. I’m surprised Zimmermann didn’t go to the Cubs either, but I really don’t think they were thinking that direction. I really think they are going to go after Sam, and Lackey at this point.
They still need that Center/Left field guy. – If they get the Shark, then I can see them trying to trade for a Miller. Also if they are in the mix for Zobrist, then I’m 99.9% sure they are thinking get Lackey and the Shark have some money to get Zobrist, and then maybe trade for a pitcher. They have enough to trade Cinn for Chat which is what I would do after they see what they have left after they do their first major signing. Price will go to Boston if it is about money, time will tell, Cubs will probably offer him between 220 and 225 for 7 seasons. Boston will probably go to 240 to 250 if they are good on their word. But I still think the Cubs are better off getting the Shark and Lackey, then go after Zobrist and Gordon.
Then trade for Cha from Cinn – to me thats a winning Winter… If all that can be done. Sonny Gray will take a lot to make that trade and the A’s aren’t going to do it. But it would take a Schwarber, a few prospects and Sol, and Castro to make that deal, and I’m not sure all that is worth him to be honest. That is a lot.
If the Cubs are smart they sign The Shark, and Lackey, Go after Zobrist, and Gordon and trade Cinn for Chap. Add Miller but thats if Lackey don’t go to them, or the Shark. Forget Price inless he don’t care and goes a lot less than anyone thought. LOL..Doubt it. Heyword not going to Chicago not for 200 Mil for 7 seasons…
chesteraarthur
They can’t afford to sign shark, lackey, zobrist, and gordon. That’s like 65m AAV for those 4 plus whatever they’d have to pay Chapman (in your scenario) Additionally, I think you’ve seen the cubs address the bullpen as much as they will. They’ve signed a ton of depth and will see what shakes out. They do not need chapman and from reports the reds wanted more for him than Kimbrel got back…so pass.
michaelw
They got to dump people also lol.. Im not saying all of them, but I’m 99% sure they are going to go after the Shark, and Lackey and try to sign them both. Then go after Zorb or Gordon and start dumping people for low end players or prospects also. Money balance. Even if they don’t get Gordon or Zorb, I see D Span in the plans. But I’m sure they are thinking already a head of the Price thing. Price will be 240 7 years, I think the Cubs will top out at 220 – so pends on Price Cubs and 20 Mil less or Money and the Green Monster?
chesteraarthur
His name is zobrist, not zorbist. I have no idea why you keep calling him zorb. You also need to stop playing the show and realize how a real MLB offseason works
michaelw
Hey Chester Zorbrist an ZORB abrv, and I was pretty dead on with that Lackey and “ZORB” thing Hu, add Heyward into that mix sorry I was off by a great outfielder and a good one LOL. now instead of Gordon Hayward.. Pretty dead on so much for your Theory of the know how the off season works. Practice what you preach. Guess now all that is left is that other pitcher which will be a trade. Didn’t hit that Shark signing guess the Giants were desp after losing Grez.. Not bad for a guy who calls a guy Zorb and doesn’t know how the off season works. LOL CHESTER>>>>
mibenavi
Why won’t Yankees grow a pair and acquire a good starting pitcher ? What will it take to wake them up?
hojostache
Paying big money for FA pitchers hasn’t been great for them. They are actually trying to restock their farm and be a bit more realistic about spending.
lsd265
My ideal scenario would be getting Shark, and Heyward. Thoughts?
mdvorak
If you sign Heyward, you’re looking at a likely scenario of trading Soler. If the Braves are willing to part with Miller for a package starting with Soler, then I’m all for it. I’m just not sure of Heyward in CF 140 games.
As far as Samardizijajanla, I’m not sure he’s worth the $80 million over 5 that I’m sure he wants. Even if they can get him on a shorter deal, I don’t know how I would feel about losing two draft picks for Heyward and Jeffy.
chicubbies1
While the buzz is that heyward is going to get a contract in the 10 year 200 million range I have a hard time believing that. He’s a career .268 hitter with a .350ish OBP. He hasn’t shown 20+ HR power in a while either. Yes he plays above average defense (in a corner spot, he’ll be in CF with the Cubs) and can steal 20+ bases, but is that really worth $20M nowadays? I don’t think so. Also, the age of ridiculously long contracts is almost a thing of the past. I see an 8-9 year deal (still insanely long) for maybe $18-19M, tops, annually. anything more than that isn’t worth it. Unless you do a 10 year $170-180M deal with an opt out after 5 years. Pay him $15M aav the first 5 years and then $21M aav the final 5 years. If he hits his stride now that he’s entering his prime he likely would opt out and try for more money than $21M annually. If he keeps up the same pace though $21M by 2021 probably won’t be so ridiculous as it seems today for a .270 hitter with 15 HR power….. but by that time he’ll likely decline into an average fielder. I say try and sign him, then trade for Jose Quintana for Baez, Vogelbach, and Almora – or – Castro, Vogelbach, Almora, and Candelario. Vogelbach, Almora, and Candelario are all blocked by Bryant, Rizzo, and what would be Heyward…. so they’re all expendable assets. Then sign Price for $30M aav and role the dice on either Fister or Latos on a 1 year deal. Those 2 guys are 1 year removed from being top tier #2 SPs. That’s about $50-60 mil in payroll for 2016….. might be a little steep, but let’s quit acting like the Cubs can’t afford it. They didn’t just jack the ticket prices way up for no reason. An earlier MLBTR piece reported that there is speculation that the increase in payroll from 2015 will only be like 20 million, so around $140M. That makes no sense to me at all. They entered the offseason showing their colors, openly stating they’ll be players in the free agent market and want to add depth and quality arms this offseason. Unless their definition of quality is completely different from mine that’s going to cost more than a $20 mil bump in payroll. Doing my plan adds Price, Quintana, and either Latos or Fister. Throw in Lester and Arrieta and that is a nasty rotation of SIX arms. Then they’d have to figure out what to do with Hammel and Hendricks. Hammel would likely get traded for a young, solid reliever…… Hendricks might move to the pen or unfortunately get demoted to Iowa despite a SOLID 2015 campaign for being his first full MLB season. Or they can forgo signing the bounce back candidates in Latos and Fister and rock a rotation of Price, Arrieta, Lester, Quintana, and Hendricks……. I’m loving that too.
Voice of Reason
Like it or not the budget is $140 million.
They can still sign free agents and make trades. They just have to be creative.
They won’t sign heyward, though. Starting pitching will get the majority of off season spending.