4:31pm: The Rockies are not engaged in trade talks regarding Simmons, Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post reports on Twitter.
8:58am: The Mets checked in on Simmons this morning and were met with the asking price of Jacob deGrom or Matt Harvey, tweets Sherman, which is steeper than New York would care to pay.
NOV. 12, 7:09am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears that the Braves are indeed listening to offers for Simmons, and they’ve been in recent contact with the Padres, Dodgers and Angels (three Twitter links). The Braves recognize the weak free-agent market at shortstop and want to at least see what the return would be for Simmons considering how valuable he is. Sherman adds that the Mets haven’t checked in on Simmons yet, perhaps assuming that the Braves wouldn’t deal him within the NL East.
NOV. 11, 10:42pm: The Braves have discussed Simmons, but no deal is close at the moment, per MLB.com’s Mark Bowman (links to Twitter). They’re willing to listen, and as David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal Constitution adds (also via Twitter), Atlanta is determined to add multiple young, impact pieces without raising payroll much. Moving Simmons could achieve that goal, but the cost would assuredly be astounding for a player with as much surplus value on his contract as Simmons presently has.
10:31pm: The Padres have checked in on Simmons but nothing is close in terms of trade talks between the two sides, according to Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union Tribune (Twitter link).
9:58pm: Keri now tweets that the Braves’ talks revolve around Andrelton Simmons. That doesn’t necessarily rule out any of the four remaining teams, as the Rockies and Padres could certainly use a long-term answer at shortstop and either the Dodgers or D-Backs could shuffle their current infield alignment to add a defender of Simmons’ caliber.
Simmons’ offensive output was down in 2015, but he remains arguably the game’s most elite defensive player and is under contract for another five seasons at a total of $53MM.
9:33pm: The Giants aren’t in talks with the Braves, both SB Nation’s Chris Cotillo and the San Francisco Chronicle’s Henry Schulman hear (links to Twitter).
9:11pm: The Braves are “deep” in trade talks with a yet-unnamed NL West club, reports Jonah Keri of ESPN (via Twitter). Clearly, there’s a lot left to the imagination with this report, but there’s enough to at least envision a few possibilities.
The Braves are known to be shopping expensive veterans Nick Swisher and Michael Bourn, though neither player is a desirable asset considering the $15MM each is owed in 2016. Joel Sherman of the New York Post reported today that Cameron Maybin is available in trades, and Maybin could be a more appealing piece on the heels of the first fully healthy season he’s enjoyed since 2012. There’s also been speculation over the past several months that Atlanta could move on from formerly presumed catcher-of-the-future Christian Bethancourt, and the team did just reportedly agree to terms on a new one-year deal with A.J. Pierzynski earlier tonight. Other possibilities include Julio Teheran, whose name has been kicked around in trade rumors since the summer, and Mike Minor, whom the team is reportedly uncertain about tendering after he experienced a setback in his rehab from shoulder surgery.
A quick rundown of the NL West’s team needs: the Rockies could be looking for catching or pitching help, the Giants are reportedly interested in outfielders and rotation arms, the Diamondbacks are hunting for general pitching help (rotation or bullpen), the Dodgers are in much the same boat as the D-Backs, and the Padres could conceivably be looking to add in the outfield, infield or rotation. That creates a wide-ranging slate of possibilities, of course, though if a trade is indeed nearing fruition, further details are likely to be reported sooner rather than later.
cubsflan
Since they trade alot, I will say its the Padres trying to get Teheran. Have no clue, just a random guess
tecjug
I really hope they don’t trade Teheran. He’s signed to exactly the type of deal the Braves need on their payroll.
RunDMC
I don’t mind them trading Teheran, but trading him with his stock as low as it is is not smart unless they can get a high-upside OF like Jorge Soler, which I don’t think will happen.
Bringbacktheblue
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Only player that makes sense. But I don’t think it’s us.
aff10
I’m gonna guess Teheran and Arizona, but he could really make sense for anyone in the division. They all have holes in the rotation
cubsflan
Good point, I could see the D-Backs trying to get him. I think the D-Backs want to add 2-3 starters. They have a solid lineup, just need the SP and bullpen
seamaholic 2
Don’t the Dbacks and Braves trade a lot with each other? Well, twice anyway in recent years, the Toussaint trade and the Upton trade.
jamesa-2
And the Cahill trade as well. Yes, those two teams have matched up a fair amount.
godsman87
Actually, Cahill came in the same deal as Toussaint.
A'sfaninUK
Would be funny if they’re trying to do that, while taking on the albatross deals of Swisher and Bourn. Simmons, Teheran, Swisher and Bourn for who? One of Gyroko or Spangenberg and? I can’t see these two teams matching up at all.
chop
My guess is Yasiel Puig. He makes sense for the Braves and Dodgers.
vtncsc
Um, where would he play? I highly doubt Atlanta wants him. I’d expect more of a return for Simmons as well.
vtadave
Dodgers would surely be happy to take whatever junk (that’s you Swisher) the Braves want to attach to Simmons in order to lessen the prospect package going Atlanta’s way. LF Markakis CF Maybin RF Puig. Bourn 4th OF.
jaysfan77
In other news, water is wet..
g55s
Maybin to the Giants?
Bringbacktheblue
Hell no! Don’t want to see him in our division I can’t stand him.
rayanselmo
As a Giants fan, I don’t really want Maybin or Bourn – neither one has been even average offensively in years. They could fill that CF spot better in FA. Teheran, I’d love … but I doubt the Braves will be willing to give him up without the offer being overwhelming.
Tommet
Braves trying to get Kimbrel back? Imagine this blockbuster: Kimbrel and Kemp for Simmons.
Bringbacktheblue
Lol
mj-2
Kimbrel is easily my favorite player, but I wouldn’t trade Simmons to get him back and neither would Atlanta
Also lol at Kemp, like we would want him.
R.D.
Gene Simmons for the 7th inning stretch
mrnatewalter
Of course you mean Shae Simmons… right?
MB923
Richard Simmons
Cam
Ron Simmons? Damn.
est1890
Braves want Crawford? ….My prayer has been answered
rayanselmo
Nobody wants Crawford, not with that contract. Crawford’s mom doesn’t want Crawford. 😉
seamaholic 2
Yeah … not so much.
LH
?? I bet you 25/30 gms would take Crawford as their shortstop over Simmons any day.
aff10
They’re referring to Carl Crawford
dlevin11
No one would take Carl Crawford his contract is beyond toxic as is his overall game. His best years are way behind him.
jlc130
Crawford isn’t half the shortstop that Simmons is! He couldn’t even sniff his jockstrap.
failedstate
Yeah not so much, my guess is most GMs would prefer Simmons to B. Crawford. But since it’s C. Crawford the point is moot.
By_Leo_R
Diamondbacks: Aaron Hill and Dansby Swanson for the rest of Hill´s Contract and a Box of Baseballs
-Dave Stewart
jamesa-2
Don’t give them any ideas.
jjdunckley
Teheran and Bethancourt for Kimbrel
mj-2
Kimbrel come home!!!!!
vtncsc
No, Atlanta doesn’t need him and his huge salary.
Jordan R.
No reason to invest in a closer until you get your team to a point where they can close…
Ray Ray
Teheran and Bethancourt for Charlie Blackmon and Boone Logan/John Axford. The Braves love Georgia products and have long been rumored to like Blackmon.
mj-2
But we don’t need outfielders
Mallex Smith will be in center by mid season or 2017 at the latest. Olivera may transition there. We still have Markakis
All of these hypotheticals with atl getting an OF back are reaching
If anything we are shipping one, Maybin
seamaholic 2
Well, then where DO the Braves need players? I mean, they were awful last year obviously. And they have guys they can throw out at a lot of positions, but evidently not good enough guys. I really don’t think Mallex Smith should be preventing anyone from making a trade.
mj-2
Bullpen, 3B, 2B, C
Whether you like Mallex or not it doesn’t change the fact Atlanta is high on him taking over.
Also Olivera is basically a new addition. So in a way we filled a hole from last season…. At least theoretically. I’m not really a fan of Olivera personally but he’s going to get his fair shot in 2016 obviously.
Ray Ray
They are shopping Maybin, Swisher, and Bourn from what I have read. If they move that many OFs, someone ha to replace them.
braves28
That’s not entirely accurate. Braves OF situation isn’t any better than their IF one. At least in the IF they already have 2 or 3 young guys locking up their position (Simmons being one of them). 4 of the team’s top 20 prospects are in the IF vs only 2 in the OF. Combine that with the 2 corner pieces Olivera and Markakis being 31 and 32 for the start of the 2016 season and you see that this team has at best a stop-gap situation in the OF even with Malex Smith. Unfortunately, the Braves need young help pretty much everywhere on the diamond except 1B, SS and P.
mj-2
If you want to call Markakis and Olivera a stop gap situation that’s fine, it doesn’t change the fact the braves aren’t going to bench Markakis or Olivera this season. So yeah, the outfield is full. Just because you don’t like what it’s full with doesn’t change that fact.
If they dealt Olivera or Markakis then I guess you can talk about brining in Blackmon (or other OF) but right now it makes 0 sense
Jordan R.
Selling high on Maybin would be ideal. What the Braves got out of him this season was undoubtedly his ceiling.
seamaholic 2
Not sure what the Braves would want with Blackmon. CF is the one place they have some options. Well, that and SS and 1B.
sportfan
I am guessing that either the Dodgers or the Paders with who whom that the Braves are talking to.
rick5ful
Has to be a big trade with the Dodgers. I think they get Teheran as well as Bourn and/or Swisher to help the braves offset their expensive contracts. Braves get Chris Anderson, Scott Shebler, and Kyle Farmer.
Ray Ray
That’s more of a deadline-style trade of veterans for prospects. Offseason deals tend to be more vet for vet.
mkorpal
Could possibly think Rockies here. While Teheran is too much of a fly ball pitcher to be optimal, still makes sense.
ropano44
Arizona and Atlanta strike a deal for Teheran. Teheran and Vizcaino to AZ for 3B prospect Drury, Pitcher Godley, and two other pieces maybe?
Acuña Matata
What? The Braves traded Drury to the Dbacks in the Prado deal… But now you want them to trade their #2/3 and their late season closer for the guy they traded already? Seems legit
jamesa-2
The deal seems odd, but at the same time Drury has actually started to look like every bit of the player some only hoped for before the Braves traded him in the Upton deal. Drury+Godley is a pretty solid offer for a non-spectacular MLB player.
That said, I’m not sure Drury actually matches Atlanta’s needs. I guess it depends on what the Braves think of Peterson moving forward, as Drury plays both second and third.
Acuña Matata
Simmons is young (26), he should be a 3 time Gold Glover, he’s already getting Ozzie Smith comparisions (at least with the glove work), he’s signed to a pretty decent contract (compare it to Starlin’s). For Hart to entertain that trade he would want more.
Pitching wins ball games and im like a pirate when it comes to pitching. Horde as much of it as you can. Hart seems like the same thing. Not only because it wins games but because its much easier to deal with teams. Godley is nice and all but if Hart got Miller + Jenkins for one year of Heyward and Walden he can do better with Simmons.
Teams value pitching prospects above all else. At today’s rate of Tommy Johns that should be apparent. Hart has stocked up a ridiculous amount of pitching prospects and is still going. Even if half of them reach their potential we have a wealth to deal from. (Toussaint, Jenkins, Banuelos, Fried, Sims, Sanchez, Hursh, Winkler, even Whalen) and thats not including those already on the MLB roster. Teheran’s name has been floated around numerous times.
I don’t know if Jace is going to stick. I think Simmons is helping him look better than he is. But time will tell.
MB923
Whoa. It involves Simmons according to Jonah Keri
Ray Ray
Gotta be the Padres then. Although I would be up for a Simmons for Jose Reyes swap. Maybe the Braves GM recently got a concussion and would go for that.
Bob Smiley
i would expect Reyes to get 50 game suspension. doubt anyone is dealing for him right meow.
Ray Ray
Oh I know. That was a joke.
mj-2
FML
bravessciowa
To Padres in a package built around Wil Myers. They wanted him when he was with kc. Young right handed power bat.
YourDaddy
From what they were saying on the radio here it was a package of Padres pitching for Simmons, but interestingly enough not Ross.
willreily
I don’t get this at all… Simmons would be the last guy you’d want to trade away.
breckdog
Who knows maybe the braves are getting kershaw, puig, and a boatload of cash. Please dont take that seriously, just wanted to make the point to wait and see before deciding that yes the sky is falling.
dj227
True. But trading the best defensive SS in the game will be hard to swallow. Maybe the Braves see him declining and are selling high on him. Who knows?
RunDMC
Yes, but if a team is offering a king’s ransom, would be a nice get. Honestly, I love Simmons and his defense saves games, but his bat has never fit into any part of our order – though Fredi has “been ready” and keeps moving him around like a redheaded stepchild.
willreily
lol I didn’t. You got a point, the Dbacks or Padres could empty the farm. But I just don’t understand why they would with him. He’s 26, signed through 2020. Who ever it is, if there is an actual deal, is gonna have to give up a lot.
christian18cutshaw
If the braves don’t get Kimbrel and Brandon Crawford through a three team deal i will no longer support the braves. No other trade period would be worth parting with Simmons heart hustle defense and work ethic. And that stuff is contagious in the clubhouse
mj-2
Can’t wait for it to be Simmons for prospects.
“As much as we saw Simmons a part of our future this offer was something we couldn’t pass on….etc etc etc”
User 4245925809
San Diego’s system is really thin after Preller went wild last winter. Might be some kind of larger deal w/Kimbrell involving Tyson and Myers.
Bringbacktheblue
You’re not getting Myers.
YourDaddy
From what they are saying on SD radio, it involved neither Kimbrel nor Ross. It did involve Padres pitching though.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
I wonder who it could be then? A bunch of pitching prospects, maybe throwing in Cashner too for good measure?
I just hope Preller knows what he’s doing considering he’s been robbed twice by the braves so far in trades.
R.D.
Seeing as the braves already have 3 feasible rotations worth of sps available to them, I really doubt they’d actually trade andrelton for Padres pitching. I personally wouldn’t trade him for cashner kimbrel and ross
nccubsfan 2
I feel you there. Trading Simba would certainly make it much easier to root for my 2nd team, the Cubs. If you’re trying to build a team around contact and defense (Royals), you don’t trade the best shortstop in the game.
Bob Smiley
Simmons to the D-backs. Owings/Drury in the mix with others headed to the braves?
By_Leo_R
If the Dbacks get Simmons that could make no sense, the Dbacks have a strong defensive option at SS with Nick Ahmed, and Hit More HR and Almost the SAme AVG yhan Simmons. Unless a Pitcher is going to Arizona Too.
Bob Smiley
move ahmed to 2b. Owings will head to the braves in a deal. Makes senses.
Ray Ray
Did you ever consider that Ahmed might be a part of the trade return?
jamesa-2
He would almost have to be. Ahmed’s defense at SS is in the same category as that of Simmons, but not yet as established. Simmons is the better all-around player though, so Ahmed would have to just be a complementary piece.
gslacy
Simmons to the Padres for Melvin Upton Jr.
Bob Smiley
i was just posting the same thing. hahahahhahahahha
gslacy
Seriously though, Simmons and and Swisher to the Padres for Kimbrel and Will Meyers
Bob Smiley
Padres have Upton. won’t take on Swisher and they seem to like Will
Bringbacktheblue
No
mwk89
have i mentioned how much i love the mlb offseason?
dieharddodgerfan
Definitely could see the Dodgers trading for Simmons and moving Seager to 3B.
Slipknot37
I think that wouldn’t be a bad idea to be honest. If the team is the dodgers, I hope they do it for whomever they give up
ryan211
This makes sense to me too, but the question then becomes what to do with Justin Turner. Turner may not have the name value of Seager or Simmons, but he actually led LAD position players in WAR last year, so I imagine the Dodgers would like to find a spot for him. I suppose Turner himself could be involved in the trade, but then, he’s only under control for one more year, so I’m not sure a rebuilding Atlanta club would be all that interested in him.
Cdiaz
Sounds like second base for redturn. He’s average at third base, i guess he can be better at second.
dbeattie
Put Turner at 3rd. The defense won’t be brilliant but you keep the bat in the middle of the lineup
AGAVE
Ryan211…
I was wondering how this would work out. Seager affects Turner’s 3’rd base start. However, Turner has proven to be one of our most effective spark plugs off the bench. Which then I assume Howie gets an offer so that he stays.
christian18cutshaw
Tagging a star along with a couple bad contracts. Sound familiar? Especially with the braves stating that Swisher and Maybin is available just hours ago. Ive gotta good feeling that this is about to make me sick. Please tell me I’m wrong.
gslacy
but at least we will get more pitching “prospects”
mj-2
Only if those prospects are fresh off TJ surgery though!
gslacy
That’s the only way we do business. Get em with a busted elbow.
mj-2
If they did that it would confirm we aren’t trying to compete and we are just trying to be the Marlins.
The silver lining is at least the cat would be out of the bag
dj415cali
I wouldn’t put it past them at this point. Probably want to clear money and get younger. Could start a play for a top notch pitcher.
Mike_Davis
If Simmons is indeed the centerpiece, you can take the Dbacks out of the picture. They already have a cost controlled great defensive SS in Nick Ahmed. Seeing as they are looking to spend their money on pitching, taking on $53 mil makes no sense.
gslacy
The only team that makes sense at ss is the Padres or the Rockies.
dj415cali
Out of them two I would say Padres as the Rockies have Jose Reyes and it would not make sense to have Simmons and Reyes. Reyes is going to be virtually untradable because of his probable suspension not to mention dollars so the Rox couldn’t be able to flip him. Padres it is and methinks Tyson Ross might go alongside prospects.
mrnatewalter
If it’s the Padres, I gotta go make some changes to my entry in the prediction contest…
sportfan
It was just confirm on Twitter that it is the Padres.
rick5ful
Wrong, they confirm that it is NOT the Padres.
YourDaddy
You may want to go read the article again. It is the Padres.
sportfan
As a Braves fan I don’t get why would the Braves trade Simba.
dj415cali
Now the NL west is about to get crazy…one thing is for sure…the Giants would win the offseason if they could send some money and get rid of Cain and Pagan.
mj-2
This is sounding more like a false alarm to me if anything.
mkorpal
Not sure what the Rockies could give up to get Simmons, but he sure would make a fine Tulo replacement.
seamaholic 2
They have a loaded farm. And could easily include DJ Lemahieu, although obviously that’s not enough.
christian18cutshaw
Has to be the Padres. No package could be enough for Simmons not nothing they’ve got atleast. No one else in that division needs a SS as bad as they do. Unless they’re gonna throw a three team trade at us with Nolan Arenado they can’t do it themselves. Kimbrel isn’t even worth it
christian18cutshaw
Never mind no Padres. Let’s go get us a bunch of washed up prospects whatcha know about it
sportfan
The Paders have nothing to offer beside Kimbrel and that will not be enough.
dbeattie
Preller gutted that farm system last offseason.
Salionski
I can’t see the Braves trading Simmons simply for salary relief (adding in Swisher and/or Bourn in to the deal). Or even with a couple decent prospects added in. Albies may be the Braves shortstop of the future, but he is still at least a couple years away from sniffing the majors. Just seems like not the right timing unless they get bowled over by a great deal.
And that great deal should not include Kimbrel. A high paid closer continues to be a luxury for a team like the Braves, so people should probably just forget about that.
rick5ful
Scratch both Giants and Padres as they are not in talks for Simmons. That leaves Dodgers, Rockies, and D-Backs. To me I doubt it’s the D-Backs because they drafted Swanson. So that leaves Dodgers or Rockies, my guess is that it’s the Rockies because Jose Reyes has had off the field issues recently, but the Dodgers could also make sense since they can move Seager to 3rd base.
Bob Smiley
Rockies drafted Rodgers and have Story..i think D-backs scoop in and move Ahmed to 2b. the dodgers and moving Seager to 3b makes sense too
seamaholic 2
Dbacks just draffted a SS #1 overall and he’s no more than a year away, if that.
Bob Smiley
true and they have Ahmed. none of it makes sense. Maybe The rockies will move on from Reyes and his off the field issue and add Simmons
seamaholic 2
Reyes is irrelevant to the Rockies at this point, beyond how much money they’re gonna save when MLB suspends him. Unlikely he’ll play for them again. Their SS is Trevor Story.
Bob Smiley
you mean RODGERS.
Ray Ray
Rodgers won’t be in Denver until 2019 or so. There is a long time between then and now.
Bob Smiley
yeah, true. Story is MLB ready.
Ray Ray
What if he is part of the trade return? Since we don’t know what the Braves are getting back, any of the three could still be possible.
Bob Smiley
Reyes has to have negative value right now with the off the field issue …dont you think?
seamaholic 2
Oh yeah, he had negative value before the incident. He’s not involved in this.
sportfan
If it the Dodgers the Braves could get Seager along with other prospect in return for Simmons. The Braves need a 3B while the Dodgers need a young SS.
Bob Smiley
Seager is not going to the braves. Period
Mike Query
Then you’re not getting Simmons. Period.
Bob Smiley
i’m not a dodgers fan…so i don’t care but i highly doubt the dodgers deal Seager in any deal. he is a big body kid made for the move to 3b.
seamaholic 2
Yeah but much of his value is in his ability to rake AND play SS. Lots of 3B can hit.
Mike Query
And I highly doubt the Braves deal Simmons, yet here we are, you need to give up something to get something. Five prime years of the best defensive short stop in potentially the history of this game has a ton of value.
rick5ful
I think the Braves might get Grant Holmes.
est1890
you mean Zach Lee
smahoney
Take either…..I love the Dodgers and have seen both play. They are not even close to being able to be a starter for the dodgers. At best they are a #4
mrshyguy99
there really no room for homles or lee at the moment. dodgers have kershaw, zack or a new number 2 plus two guys they will be getting back from injury. so either lee and co will be fighting for the 5th spot or they just resign Anderson and the rotation will be set
hojostache
Grant Holmes as a secondary piece maybe, but not as the centerpiece. #75 ranked prospect…a good start.
jlc130
The Braves have enough “prospects” from all the other useless trades their GM has made since he took over.
seamaholic 2
Moving Seager would be so strange and so un-Friedman like. As a 3B he’s just another big bat, and you’d have to move Turner to 2B and the whole thing just gets effed up. Now if Seager’s going back to Braves then they just pulled a major heist. Maybe that’s it.
YourDaddy
Its the Padres.
gofish1
Simmons to the Angels for Erick Aybar, Sean Newcomb & another prospect.
bravesfan 7
How did you know???
smahoney
Not Padres, not giants, no money in colorado, maybe Arizona….but my bets on L.A…….they wanted him. They have have the pieces prospects and $ to pull it off! Puig and prospects will get it done. The Dodgers are going to complete by Friday…this will entice pitchers to come, plus they are rumored to want a new outfielder that used to where cardinal red. It just makes sense.
seamaholic 2
Rockies have plenty of $$ actually. Certainly enough to fit Simmons …
smahoney
They just shipped out Tulo….they are broke! If you had the $ Tulo would still be there.
mrshyguy99
well dodgers do have the money and the players to get a trade done. plus they have some holes at SS and 2nd since both their starters are free agents. so getting simmons would move people around. segaer to 3rd and turner to 2nd even though i believe i heard he better at 3rd then ss or 2nd
The Oregonian
If it were the Dodgers surely Seager would have to be the centerpiece of the return, right? And I don’t see how that makes sense for them. If Friedman could get Simmons from Puig, that seems like a pretty good deal for the Dodgers though.
MB923
No deal is imminent, so Braves fans can go to bed now. But by the time they wake up, knowing this team, Simmons, Freeman and Teheran will probably all be traded.
jlc130
And then the Braves only fans will be in the front office. That new stadium will be hard to fill with the sorry work the GM is doing!
jlc130
If the Braves trade Simmons, I’m done with them! I am sick of seeing them trade away our best players for “prospects” and washed up hacks! I’ve been a Braves fan for 40+ years. If they want to keep me, that crappy excuse for a GM better stop acting like he’s in the Marlins organization!
mrshyguy99
if it the dodgers i just hope they do a smart trade. they shouldnt give up any one of their top 3 young players for him.
R.D.
Teheran and Simmons for Arenado.who hangs up first?
baumer16
Rockies laugh then hang up
R.D.
The Rockies should really recognize that their offense will be good no matter what and focus on optimal pitching. That mindset is why they’ve had one good year in the last 15
Ray Ray
The Rockies offense was fairly bad last season beyond Arenado and CarGo. Everyone notices the eye-popping numbers, but fail to see the rest.
mrshyguy99
rockies would laugh at them then hang up. they arent the As. sure they traded their best SS but he also cost alot and was prone to getting hurt.
afenton530
Definitely Rockies. The discussion could go beyond arenado because those are both valuable pieces, I don’t see them trading away their best young player. Jon Gray and a couple Dj lemaehu types might push a deal
Chrish815
First off I’ve been a fan of the Atlanta Braves for 32 year I went though years where we where lucky to not loss 100 games . But this disrespect that going on with media on Braves and bias to what they call a big market team is sickening . This though that Atlanta is transited city and they are not big market is stopped I’ve lived in Washington, D.C. Area for most of my life and d.c is transited city New York is transited city Los Angels is transited city . All these city all so have fan that are transplants from other city’s . So the talk that Atlanta can’t spend the money to put super team on field is wrong the problem is ownership . If you have owner are more about the bottom line then the team and fans. And what owner don’t understand it’s not for there fans you don’t have a team and Braves all over USA . So this thought of trade Simmons or freeman is not good for business if they don’t want to make the fans more madder then we are . So last year happen to build the team for future I get that but the TV contract is coming up soon and new stadium open next season ha well what do other fans thank would rather go to a stadium because the it new or because the team is winning team ? If you cable company would you give more in contract for new stadium or because the team won a World Series . They said problem was the stadium well let see what happen if team still not winning if fans will go to stadium in 4 to 5 years from now
Salionski
The television contract doesn’t come up “soon”. Not unless you think that more than a decade from now is soon. Having trouble deciphering what you’re trying to say otherwise.
bravos4evr
Braves run on revenue and ownership has zero input on baseball decisions or payroll per an MLB agreement they signed before the deal was approved to swap them for Time Warner stock.
Chrish815
Like Kimbrel back but not if it cost Simmons. But could see Braves trading Cameron maybin , Julio Tehran and nick swisher Christian bethancourt William Perez Braxton Davidson Jason hursh Paco Rodrigues in exchange for Kimbrel ,Myers Norris shields and minor league Michael Gettys
YourDaddy
SD radio is saying it was a deal of Simmons and Swisher for a package from Padres that included Cashner, Edwards, Guerrero and 2 other guys. One of the radio talking heads said Nix was one of the guys which would make sense. I would think it would have to include Rondon, but they are talking about pitching. Specifically young, high upside guys.
Salionski
Sounds more like a rejected deal, since it makes very little sense. The Braves aren’t checking the couch cushions for extra money right now, so they don’t have to feel pressured to deal Simmons in that way. Especially not when the return is just adding to surplus.
Chrish815
Or maybe this Julio Tehran William Perez maybin Braxton Davidson nick swisher Jason Hursh and thurman for Carlos Gonzales and charlie Blackmon and Rex brothers and three Braves sign clippard o’Flathery Oliver Perez call it a day
bravessciowa
Stop. Please
Chrish815
I also like trade with pirates Julio Tehran Davidson swisher and bethancourt in exchange for Austin meadow Reese McGuire , mark melancon
ilikebaseball 2
Swanson, Bradley, Webster, Thomas 8 mil for Simmons and Betencourt and Vicaino.
Chrish815
I leave this if Braves are stupid and trade the only draws hey have in Simmons or freeman it time for the Braves fan to show them why can’t just blow up a team. I call for a boycott of all Braves games and merchandise and maybe that will get them to wake up. You have to have good players that fans can get behind at less when the Braves where bad in the 80 they had dale Murphy Hubbard Others
Ragin' Cajun Brave 2
“Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Chrish815
Bye way any trade that team make has to be approved bye the owners
Salionski
That’s actually not true. Liberty Media has a very hands off approach to ownership.
Chrish815
Bye the way when it comes to any contract . You can all way get out of them. I’ll give you example my mom back in day had ” Iran clad contract with a company that was good for 3 years and if they broke the contract they had pay her large sum and guess what happen they got out of it. The y closed her department down. So where there a will there is all way a way
Salionski
There is a huge difference between your mother’s personal situation to corporate contracts worth millions/billions of dollars. If you’re referring to a player contract then getting out of any contract is nearly impossible (and you risk your rep with other player signings if you try so generally isn’t even worth considering). If you’re referring to the television contract then it’s even more impossible. If there was a loophole they would’ve gotten out of it prior to reworking the deal a few years back.
Martin H.
If the Padres want Simmons, I think talks would start with Renfroe and Hedges…
Kind of hard to see Padres getting Simmons with that gutted farm system.
Martin H.
maybe also throw in Colin Rae… Seeing how Preller traded last year, I wouldn’t be surprised if they involve Nix or Smith in there.
dbeattie
The Dodgers tried for Simmons at the deadline and have plenty of talent on the farm. Wouldn’t be surprising
braveranger9erknick
I would say in my humble opinion and this my friends is humble. If the Braves were able to get a contract extension from Derek Norris I would say this would be a beneficial trade for both sides. Simmons,Bethancourt,Swisher,Teheran for D.Norris,W.Myers,Kimbrel.
Salionski
Really not sure how that’s beneficial for the Braves. I doubt the Braves and Padres go the distance on a trade for Simmons, since I don’t think the Padres have the pieces.
Acuña Matata
So the Braves get a broken Myers, a declining Kimbrel w/ one less year on his contract and an ok Derek Norris….
MB923
Buster Olney is saying the Angels are now involved
nccubsfan 2
I “suppose” I’d take Trout for Simba 😉
rct
“Mets haven’t checked in on Simmons yet, perhaps assuming that the Braves wouldn’t deal him within the NL East.”
I think this has more to do with the fact that the Mets just traded prospects for Clippard and Cespedes and called up Matz, Syndergaard, and Conforto this year. Couple that with losing a pick to the Cuddyer signing and the number of prospects it would take to get Simmons, and it’s easy to see why the Mets wouldn’t want to bother. They need to build their system a little.
A'sfaninUK
Hoo boy, prepare to argue about how Brandon Nimmo isn’t a top 100 prospect with the Mets fans on here…sigh
rct
haha, I know. Honestly, I see him as a #4 OF, and that’s probably not even until 2017.
A'sfaninUK
It’s kind of weird how people stick so hard with such a highly volatile thing a prospect ranking. Minor leaguers can go from studs to duds almost overnight. Nimmo might end up playing everyday for a season or two somewhere but he really has no value as a trade piece, as every team has a “high OBP/not many other tool” outfielder at AAA.
A'sfaninUK
One thing I’ll understand is the way GM’s will only talk to a couple teams regarding a potential trade – why not just announce “player X is on the market!” and then see who comes to them first?
Dan LeBlanc
The Padres would be better off trying to acquire Brock Holt to play short.
larrycole3
Well this is simply terrifying. I never thought the Braves would trade away Simmons, and at the very least, their asking price would be tenfold what any team would be willing to offer. I really hope they don’t try to bundle Simmons with Swisher/Bourne in a salary dump, like they did with Kimbrel/Melvin. They’d be getting less value out of the trade, just to save some money on contracts that only have a year remaining. I’d rather us just trade Simmons straight up, for a king’s ransom (if we have to trade him).
Joe McMahon
That wasn’t a salary dump, they got a good return for a closer, Wisler was a top prospect on the Padres. That being said, Simmons would bring in a ton more, even if he was packaged with Swisher.
vtncsc
They got rid of the worst contract in Braves’ history. It was a salary dump.
Ragin' Cajun Brave 2
It was a salary dump with a damn good return. Ya’ll both win!
Salionski
I don’t see them doing a package deal with the focus being on salary relief. They’re not in a desperate position. I think at this point they’re simply seeing just how much they could get, which isn’t a bad idea. Maybe a team will wow them with an offer.
A'sfaninUK
Welp, they asked the Mets for deGrom or Harvey, so you pretty much don’t have to worry about it.
dx4life
This would be a good move for the Angels. Since Aybar is a free agent after next season. Bring Simmons and a outfielder from the Braves.
Ragin' Cajun Brave 2
Angels don’t have the pieces to get Simmons, let alone Simmons and an OF.
dx4life
The Angels will be starting next season with Weaver, Wilson, Satiago, Skaggs, Richards, Heaney and Shoemaker all buying to be starters next season. Plus the Cuban ss the Braves wanted. And I didn’t even mention Newcomb Chris Evans and Tripono knocking on the door of the majors. The Angels are the only team mentioned that has pitchers they can trade that are or will be major league ready by 2017. Heaney or Richards with Shoemaker and that Cuban ss would be more than any other team will have to give the Braves in return.
vtncsc
Why do so many Braves fans want Kimbrel back? We don’t need him.
Salionski
They could use Kimbrel. They just don’t need his salary. A team in the Braves position shouldn’t be paying 10+ million to a closer. The fans should probably just move on from that one.
Niekro
After reading the comments here I’d venture a guess most of these Braves fans have never heard of Ozhaino Albies. Trading Simmons is not needed but something that should definitely be explored.
vtncsc
I’m not fully aware of who he is to the point I can reference him, but I still prefer Simmons and see no real reason to trade him & his moderate salary.
Niekro
I don’t think the Braves should trade Simmons just for the sake of trading him but they do have options at SS it would not be the end of the world. Simmons offers very little offensive value. The Wizard could at least steal bags with his defense, Simmons is very one dimensional but it is an outstanding one dimension at a very important spot which is why they should seek high value.
vtncsc
IMO, those SS’s who are the elite of the elite get a pass on the offensive side of the game simply based on the amount of runs they prevent.
Would you have traded Ozzie Smith for a few more RBI’s?
Simmons’ type comes around once a career for those in the front office, I’d hate to see them to something stupid just to make a trade.
If you’re not getting back a top 10 player in MLB, you gave up too much for too little.
Albies isn’t even MLB ready, and I doubt he would be by 2017 either.
Ragin' Cajun Brave 2
Albies is Simmons with a better bat and a lot more speed. He’s not ready yet but he’ll be ready in 2017-2018. It’s smart to see what we can get for Simmons every day and take something we see fit.
vtncsc
I guess, I just don’t agree. Who is going to want to go to games in 2016? lol
Salionski
Simmons is very unlikely to be a lifelong Brave because of Albies. Chances are he’s going to be traded either now or closer to when Albies is actually ready (and it’s possible that could be 2017 since he’s very advanced for his age). The difference is that the cheaper controllable years makes Simmons a lot more valuable now. Especially in a year where there aren’t a lot of SS options on the market. So them at least exploring the trade possibilities is what a good GM should do.
Ragin' Cajun Brave 2
Bingo!
Jordan R.
The Braves might prevent runs with Andrelton on short, but that doesn’t solve the problem that they can’t score runs either… The best defense in Baseball is worthless unless you can hit, and Andrelton is nothing more than a .240 hitter at best
Salionski
Albies is the top rated Braves prospect. He is another very gifted shortstop. Except Albies isn’t as one dimensional as Simmons has been thus far in his career. Albies might not match up to Simmons on the defensive side (but who does?), but he still projects to be a plus defender. Add in that Albies shows significantly more promise offensively. He’s a better all around shortstop.
I love Simmons as a Brave, but he’s definitely not untouchable.
prellerball
Cashner and Hedges to the Braves for Simmons
seamaholic 2
Not. Even. Close. (Not least because the Braves already have a Hedges, named Bethancourt.)
vtncsc
“8:58am: The Mets checked in on Simmons this morning and were met with the asking price of Jacob deGrom or Matt Harvey, tweets Sherman, which is steeper than New York would care to pay.”
I’d rather have Simmons than either of those. Make it both, then we can deal. I really hope they don’t trade him.
hojostache
Wow. Thank God you aren’t a GM, as that would be Ruben Amaro Jr. territory right there. A one-dimensional player NOT worth an elite #1, let alone two. At least you’ll have plenty of time to drink the ATL KoolAid, as the Barves aren’t making the playoffs any time soon.
seamaholic 2
Doesn’t matter how he earns his value. Value is value. Simmons is a 4+ WAR player and is not a pitcher (i.e. low health risk). He’s easily worth one of Harvey or DeGrom. Not both obviously.
rct
Depends where you look. Fangraphs has him as a 3 WAR player.
It should be noted that both of those pitchers are 4.5-6 WAR players and have much friendlier contract situations. Simmons is not worth either of them, much less ‘easily’.
sportfan
The way that I look at this if the Braves play this smart. The return for Simmons could very well be massive. We are talking about the teams needing to give up multiple top 5 prospect. And also a young player who is already playing in the major league.
jabmets
Seriously can’t understand why Atlanta thought they can get Degrom or Harvey for Simmons I wouldn’t even do it if they added freeman. Wheeler for Simmons and another prospect
seamaholic 2
Wrong. Check those numbers again. Simmons is easily worth an elite SP.
hojostache
Are you going to say WAR? Please don’t be “that guy” because WAR is not the end all and be all of statistics, it is just low hanging fruit for the masses who don’t understand statistics.
If you were talking about Tulo in his prime (elite D and an elite SS bat), then it’d be a different story. Simmons isn’t sniffing .300+ and has no power. He is a great defender, but an absolute blackhole in the lineup.
seamaholic 2
OK, if you want to be “that guy” who says all advanced stats are wrong, fine. Let’s just go with “great position player is ALWAYS worth more than great pitcher, because pitchers break”.
hojostache
WAR isn not an advanced stat…lol. It is a blunt instrument at best. My issue w. WAR is that it doesn’t stratify well across positions and what people things is apples to apples is everything but that. It is meant to allow comparison across positions, but it isn’t very good at it. That was my point.
portopotti
Elite defender but can’t hit, doesn’t get on base. One dimensional is worth an elite SP?
Ragin' Cajun Brave 2
Within the division, yes. Outside the division, maybe not.
Ragin' Cajun Brave 2
An in saying that, I’m agreeing with you.
Acuña Matata
He’s 26 w/ Ozzie Smith comparisons and a contract that makes Starlin’s looking like a massive overpay. Any division in any league he should get an elite SP.
portopotti
And is still one dimensional. Sorry, I simply disagree with an elite SP. As pointed out below, for within the division I understand the premium, I just don’t see it as worth it from the Mets perspective.
Acuña Matata
Of course you don’t you’re a bias Mets fan. Which is fine. But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what you think. Someone will pay the price because they, like many others, believe he’s worth that. Whether via a large package of prospects or an elite SP
portopotti
Okay Nostradamus, guess we’ll just have to wait and see what “Elite SP” Simmons will fetch.
You are now changing the tune from Elite SP to package of prospects which changes the premise by the way.
Acuña Matata
Actually I’m not changing the premise at all. If a team doesn’t have an elite SP then they will build a comparable package that would equal one. Not all teams are the Mets.
It has nothing to do with being Nostradamus. It’s common sense. Look at the market. There are no comparable SS out there. One of the glaring needs for the Mets is SS. This is also true for a number of teams. Padres do not have an “elite SP” they have a very good one in Ross and another in Cashner which is why any trade would be Ross or Cashner +.
Lol and really? Thats you’re rebuttal to the Ozzie Smith comparison? You sound like a kid about to have a tantrum. You know I’m talking about his defense. Dont be coy.
portopotti
You’re original premise was elite sp. Now it is package of prospects. That is not the same thing. You can spin it however you like.
I agree that Simmons will fetch a good package of prospects. My comment is specifically within the elite SP which I don’t believe they will get. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if he even gets moved at all.
Not sure the temper tantrum comment. Ozzie Smith would be a comparable only in defense then, although he brought significantly more to the table as a total package. Good comparison…
Acuña Matata
Now you’re purposely playing dumb. if this was the Mets and they were really keen on Simmons they would part with deGrom. While Wheeler isn’t a guarantee with he and Matz the Mets still field a competent and complete starting rotation. Plus they get a defensive wizard. Meaning, he saves runs… and Mets tend to not give up too many to begin with.
I repeat not all teams have elite starting pitching let alone 2. That means those teams HAVE to make a package comparable to someone like deGrom or Harvey. I don’t understand where you’re confused sir. I really don’t. But im not going down this hole with you.
Last point does nothing as the circle of redundancy has already begun to form.
portopotti
There is absolutely no confusion. It really is simple. You said elite SP. I disagreed and then you changed to elite SP or prospects. YOU changed your premise. I’m not sure why you aren’t understanding this.
The Mets could absolutely use Simmons as their defense (particularly at SS) has been awful. With Cespedes and Murphy gone, they cannot afford to lose yet more offense at another position. So from that perspective, I don’t believe it would make sense for the Mets.
Could the Mets trade DeGrom for him and still be good in the rotation? More than likely yes but again, that’s not quite the point.
Agree we’re going in circles. In your view I’m a bias Mets fan and I’m viewing you as a bias Braves fan.
Good luck this season.
Acuña Matata
Good luck to you as well.
Edit:: Let it go already.
portopotti
I’d double check that comparison again. Exactly how many SB’s has Simmons averaged throughout his career?
rct
It’s difficult to compare SP WAR to a position player WAR, and it’s also difficult to really nail down a proper WAR on a guy who’s value is based in large part on defense. For example, in his career, Simmons has 17 rWAR versus 12 fWAR.
I personally wouldn’t even consider deGrom or Harvey for Simmons, but that’s also taking into account contracts. deGrom is an ace who isn’t even Arb-eligible for two more seasons. Him and Sonny Gray are two of the most valuable guys in baseball. Harvey as great as well, though I’d be a little more inclined to listen on him.
seamaholic 2
Harvey or DeGrom is actually a decent ask for Simmons. That’s what it would take. Matz is not good enough.
hojostache
Now I know you are trolling. There are 28 other teams who would line up to get a shot at Matz. Simmons isn’t Trout. He isn’t even Tulo in his prime. He is 2015 Rey Ordonez.
Jordan R.
Simmons is the best defensive SS in the game and it’s not close. He would actually fit better in a system with more offense around him because I don’t think he’ll ever be better than a .240 hitter. This is actually a genius move on the Braves part to throw a net out there and see what they catch. There are no good FA SS’s on the market this winter, much less controllable for the next several years.. Someone will overpay for him
blackleather
well, if Hart told the Alderson, he wants DeGrom or the Dark Knight, I know my Padres are not in the running to get Simmons..because I dont see Preller giving up a guy like Tyson Ross, for a defensive SS.
now, if John Hart would take Cashner/Kimbrel and whats left on Craig’s deal, and give us a guy like Hector Olivera in the same trade with Simmons, maybe I think differently about Hart doing business with the Padres. But as it stands, I dont see how Preller gets this done, without it hurting us more than it hurts Atlanta..
Jordan R.
That is a TERRIBLE deal for the Braves… Lol
Salionski
Kimbrel is too expensive (which is partially why he’s a Padre) and Cashner has little value to a team like the Braves. The Padres just don’t match up well with the Braves.
Jordan R.
Any team who wants Andrelton, and there’s plenty, are going to have to give to get.. That’s the way any trade works for both parties.. A team with a surplus of talent will be able to pull this off, but I agree that’s not the Padres at this point
Acuña Matata
you can’t be serious…. Cashner and Kimbrel for Simmons and Olivera? Really…? That’s not even remotely close to fair.
Niekro
IMO the dodgers match up best for Simmons simply because of Puig and the quality of prospect they could offer along side Puig.
Jordan R.
Dodgers do have the prospects, but I hope it’s not Puig.. Nobody wants that guy in their clubhouse
Ragin' Cajun Brave 2
I’m willing to take that chance. We need a bat badly and I think he just needs to be out of LA.
Jordan R.
He’s good I just don’t like his attitude. The last guy with attitude issues I can remember is Yunel Escobar. I would hope the Braves try and fill the current void they’ve created at 3B with the impending move of Olivera to the OF. If the Dodgers wanted Simmons I wouldn’t budge without them including Seager.
nccubsfan 2
Chris Johnson rings a bell.
Jordan R.
Johnsons issues stemmed no further than Braves Brass.. As far as a teammate is concerned I don’t recall hearing any issues in the clubhouse out of that guy
nccubsfan 2
Did you not see TP jack him up against the dugout wall in the middle of a game?
Jordan R.
I also saw him instigate a dugout clearing brawl when Jose Fernandez went yard in a game down in Miami.. The guy doesn’t have character issues though.. Puig has been MIA for team meetings, been in trouble with the law, noted conflict in the clubhouse amongst his teammates..
Chris Johnson might have been a little hot headed at times, but I don’t think you can quite rope him into the same category as Puig.
nccubsfan 2
I wasn’t referring to Puig, I was referring to you saying “The last guy with attitude issues I can remember is Yunel Escobar.” But yeah, CJ was a guy most guys probably liked having on their team. Two different animals, him and Puig.
Salionski
He also appears to need to be micro-managed. The Braves don’t really have a great track record of managing headcases. I’m not against the idea of trading for Puig, but not in a deal that involves Simmons. I would rather the return have a lot less risk. And at this point getting 5 pitching prospects coming fresh off of TJ surgery is less risky than Puig.
Niekro
The Braves have dealt with a few head cases but that was when Cox was around admittedly so. He is just so young and the upside is incredible.
Acuña Matata
If you want Puig in the lineup then Hart needs to resign Uribe and hope he can calm his backside down.
vamosbravos
Last time I checked, this is a trade ‘rumor’ site, correct? So I for one will not believe any of this hype, until it is written in stone. One thing I can assure my fellow Braves fans though, is that if ‘Simba’ is indeed dealt, watching ‘our’ team play on a nightly basis will be nowhere near as exciting without #19, scooping up every mother freaking ball that comes his way.
bobbleheadguru
Iglesias and JD Martinez to Mets.
deGrom or Harvey and Wheeler to Tigers.
I will hang up and listen.
Ragin' Cajun Brave 2
What does this have to do with Simmons?
bobbleheadguru
Iglesias is Simmons-light defensively…. except he also hits .300.
If the Mets are inquiring about Simmons, they should talk with the Tigers as well.
From Tigers perspective, they can make this move and then sign Heyward and look at internal options at SS. Cheaper than getting two free agent mid-level pitchers.
hojostache
Worst post of the thread…by a lot. It isn’t on topic AND it is not realistic. Come on.
bobbleheadguru
What is not realistic?
The Mets don’t need a 38 HR bat to replace Cespedes at under $10MM/year and a elite defender that can bat .300?
The Tigers don’t need two pitchers and money to sign a guy like Heyward?
Iglesias is not directly comparable to Simmons and therefore relevant to this discussion?
Jordan R.
Here’s another thought.. If the Braves in fact could include a Bourn or Swisher in a deal with Simmons to a team with financial resources like the Dodgers, could this make them a buyer THIS offseason instead of next? I mean think about it the 2 nastiest contracts on the team now are Bourn and Swisher. Simmons is also obligated to another 50+ Million so dumping that much salary would immediately make them buyers this winter
Salionski
They have enough holes right now that 50 million wouldn’t be enough. Especially since they’d have another one with Simmons gone. This is not the year for the Braves as a buyer. At least not in free agency.
Also you’d destroy the potential return for Simmons by attaching those two contracts to him.
Jordan R.
Think if they unloaded all 3 though.. That’s over 30M in salary cap opened up just for this year.. This is the year to be a buyer in FA. Next years crop isn’t the best looking one
Salionski
But you’re wasting a year from any players acquired since it’s not enough money to make them competitive. Add in that you’re definitely going to have to pay high for any of those free agents, since they’ll know the Braves won’t be competitive right away.
And you’re ruining the return from one of your only valuable trade chips on top of that. Kimbrel made some sense to do that with, since he was too expensive himself. Bad idea to do that with Simmons.
It sucks that the free agent market gets a high year the year prior to the Braves moving to the new stadium, but I wouldn’t expect any big splashes until after that move happens.
Jordan R.
I just don’t understand what money we’ll have next year to spend that we won’t have this year… If the Braves can successfully dump all that.
Salionski
It’s not just about the money. The return on a cheap controlled higher tier player like Simmons can be dramatic. You’re throwing it away. Kimbrel was also elite, but also expensive in a limited role.
The return at this point can prove to be more valuable than what you could accomplish in the free agent market with it. Especially since the Braves are ultimately a business and it makes much more sense to save your big splash until after a move.Will those funds suddenly make them truly competitive? Unlikely. Then it’s better to grab some headlines with the big splashes later. Plus then you can get a better idea of your prospect progression so you’re potentially filling less holes with better players.
The Braves might not be a fun team to watch in 2016, but for those that track the team more heavily it should be a blast (especially Rome in 2016). Plus the international spending they’ve hinted at should be fun to witness too.
The Braves shouldn’t feel pressured to escalate their timeline.
Jordan R.
I’m not sure how much of of an influence Coppolella has at this stage in his GM career, but he could very well be looking to make waves early like Preller did in SD. I know John Hart & Scherholtz are essentially overseeing everything still, but they’ve made quite clear they have all the faith and trust in the world for Coppy. Who knows… I’m not saying they’re looking to build a contender a year early.. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see some rather bold moves this winter out of the Braves camp
Salionski
Coppy and Hart aren’t really that type. They’re both more longterm oriented. I wouldn’t count on it. I think the boldest moves you’ll see is what they do in the international market…not free agency.
BravesNomad
If Harvey and Degrom is too much of an ask, then what about Syndergard (sp)? Maybe that would be a little more in line. He’s their number 3, but would be our number 2 easily. Maybe expand the package some and see what can come from it.
staypuft
It’s not happening. ATL is probably only setting the price that high for teams within their division. They don’t want to trade him to the mets- unless, of course, the mets give them one of those 2.
hojostache
Syn would be a #1 on half (or more) of the staffs in the league. I wouldn’t do that. Would the Mets do Wheeler…maybe, but I wouldn’t like it.
g55s
Mets should be laughing hysterically. They should keep that staff and build around it. Simmons for deGrom is a joke.
James J.
Simba for Urias and Alex Guerrero?
sanjoseathletics
I would like that, but doesn’t Guerrero have some kind of opt out in his contract?
mrshyguy99
i believe the dodgers are very high on urias i dont see him being traded. if they wouldnt trade zack lee a few years back. i doubt they would trade urias
alt2tab
If the Braves really did ask the Mets for DeGrom/Harvey, I can’t see any possible way the Angels can be serious players for Simmons. Any deal would likely have to include Garret Richards and Sean Newcomb which would be a non-starter for me.
chop
I hate to say it, but I’d take Matt Harvey over Andrelton Simmons every day of the week. A Harvey, Miller, Teheran rotation is pretty stellar.
vamosbravos
Damn, Chop. Here I was thinking that you had it all figured out. Trading Simmons in a deal for Harvey though? Man, was I ever wrong. ; )
chop
Yea, I guess you were! 😛
lonewolf
If Simmons is traded, does that mean Freeman is next.
vamosbravos
Nah, Freddie is a Braves lifer. IMHO, anyway. Then again, if it were up to me, I would trade Freeman long before I would even consider trading Simmons. Then somehow hope to pry ‘A-Gon’ out of LA (Dodgers) to take his place.
Salionski
Well, they don’t have someone like Albies vying for Freeman’s job in the next couple years so I doubt it.
mrnatewalter
Too bad for Colorado. A combo of Simmons Arenado would force all righties to become switch hitters against the Rockies.
mizzourah87
Lol Harvey or DeGrom for Simmons… I’m assuming Simmons will remain a Brave.
staypuft
They’re going to ask for more from somebody in the NLE than they would from outside the division. That would be my guess anyway…