The Astros are “hell-bent” on acquiring a closer, sources tell ESPN’s Jayson Stark. The Astros have made calls on Aroldis Chapman of the Reds, Andrew Miller of the Yankees, and Brad Boxberger of the Rays, as well as potential free agent possibilities. They’ve also spoken with the Phillies about Ken Giles, as had previously been reported.
Adding a closer would move current closer Luke Gregerson back to the setup role in which he excelled with the Padres and Athletics. A dominant ninth-inning type like Chapman or Miller would also give the Astros not only a terrific ninth-inning option but also enviable depth, with a bullpen that would also feature Gregerson, Pat Neshek, Josh Fields and Will Harris. Also, the bullpen’s 5.63 ERA in September and October and its eighth-inning implosion in Game 4 of the ALDS against the Royals are surely fresh in the organization’s mind, particularly after watching a Royals team with a hard-throwing bullpen win the World Series after beating them. It’s easy, then, to see the appeal of adding a shutdown closer.
Still, overall, the Astros’ bullpen was a key element of the team’s success last season, and Gregerson is a perfectly good ninth-inning man in his own right (although Stark notes that Gregerson’s K/9 was relatively low for a closer, at 8.6). Stark notes that the Astros might not want to pay the prospect cost of acquiring Chapman, Miller or Giles, and therefore could ultimately pursue hard-throwing setup-type relievers instead. Given the potential departures of lefties Tony Sipp and Oliver Perez via free agency, a lefty appears likely to be a priority, whether they add a closer or not.
Niekro
Would be interesting dynamic if Miller ended up on the Astros after having taken less money than the Astros offered to sign with the Yankees.
bradthebluefish
It would be funny, but at least now the Astros are a winning team.
batman
What about Melancon?
Niekro
I don’t think he is the kind of pitcher they are looking for, Gregerson had a higher k/9 than Melancon, obviously Melancon is an upgrade regardless but I think they want a guy who misses bats. Melancon is extremely hard to elevate though so I think he would actually work on the Astros but just maybe not what they are looking for.
stymeedone
Papelbon misses bats, and he’s available!
Bob M.
I’m sure that virus would fit in perfect with the loose but analytical bunch.
jljr222
I really don’t see the Astros and Yankees matching up well for a Miller deal. I don’t know their farm system that well, but the Yankees have mentioned they want MLB-ready players for Miller if they deal him. I don’t see the Astros dealing players like that. Probably match up better for Chapman.
Niekro
Depends on what Yankees would think of guys like Appel and Valbuena those are most obvious players that the Yankees might have interest in and the Astros would trade. Lowrie might be better than Valbuena even from the Yankees perspective since he has an extra year of control, I don’t know what Yankees want at 2B a stop gap or a full time guy.
stonepie 3
lowrie? valbuena? did you see what kimbrel just fetched? t
Niekro
Appel is a top 50 prospect last I checked getting high end prospects along with major league talent is a lot of value for a 1 inning pitcher. Jed Lowrie is still a 2-3 war player in a full season. If we are talking Bettances now that is a completely different ball game.
jljr222
None of those guys really interest me if I’m the Yankees. Appel more so than anyone since he could be something special, but not in love with his progress through the minors and he’s also not close to the MLB-level based off his performances. Valbuena isn’t much an asset, plus he’s a free agent after 2016. No thanks on Lowrie, that actually makes us worse.
Niekro
Lowrie was much better than what the Yankees were trotting out to 2B.
jljr222
No really all that much better that it’s worth giving up Miller for. Sorry, but there is little long-term value in your proposal that would make the Yankees want to give up their closer who is still under control for 3 years at a good salary (see what guys want now). Yankees want an overpay and if you’re not going to overpay then no deal is to be made. Hence why I don’t think the Astros and Yankees fit.
Niekro
Lowrie accumulated the same war as Headley in half the games. Miller is not some huge building block for a franchise either he does not have nearly the track record of Kimbrel assuming all 3 years of that contract will be good is not a given.
jljr222
Headley is our 3rd baseman, not second baseman. You’re still missing the fact that you’re not giving any years of control aside from Appel who has low value. I doubt the Astros would want to move him with his value this low. The other two guys are just silly.
Niekro
Having control over the most volatile position in baseball means what exactly? Who said Headley was the second basemen? are you being captain obvious? Lowrie is better at multiple positions you said he makes the Yankees worse.
rocky7
I guess you’re convincing yourself that this isn’t and shouldn’t even be considered right! I’ll take Miller pitching in pressure packed games all year long for a winning franchise over Kimbrel who was pitching for a team that wasn’t even a maybe and probably a never was as far as the pennant race. Track record bulloney!
Niekro
You will take 1 year of closing over 5 years and Kimbrel is younger No one is giving the Yankees that package for Miller. If Track record means nothing why did Robertson get 10 million more dollars than Miller?
southbeachbully
According to fangraph Headly had more WAR than Lawrie (1.2 vs 0.6) but that’s a moot point.
The comparison is faulty. Just because we have Headly under performing at 3b doesn’t mean we should trade for a comparable player in Lawrie using a trade chip that excels at his position (Miller had a top in WAR as a relief pitcher).
Miller is a arguably a top 5 closer in a strong market for closers where as Lawire isn’t a top 10 player at either 2b or 3b.
In addition, the 2b market has better options available either as FA (Murphy or Zobrist) or via trade (Phillips or Walker). Phillips shouldn’t demand a top 100 prospect either.
rudejim
When did this discussion become a 3-team trade?? You’re right, Brett Lawrie did only have 0.6 WAR for the A’s…but Jed Lowrie had 1.0 WAR for the Astros (in less than 70 games) and he is who Niekro was talking about.
rocky7
Hey Niekro.
John is right on, Lowrie any way you look at it is not a third, or even a fourth with the other guys you were mentioning. Are you his brother, brother in law, or his Dad.!!!
Jeez, if you like him so much keep him please!!
yanks02026
Lol. One of the funniest things I’ve read on this board.
rocky7
come on man….Valbuena is a dog with fleas and Appel is a maybe. Lowrie…are you kidding?
yanks4ever
The Yanks can get way better packages than those two
rmullig2
If the Yankees can get anywhere near the kind of package the Padres got for Kimbrel they should take it, regardless of whether the players are MLB ready. They can put Manny in at closer and sign a setup guy like O’Day and not be much worse off.
Ray Ray
Manny who?
MB923
Manny? You mean Dellin?
Bob M.
Colin Mchugh. The Astros would have to go out and sign a starter though.
chiburgh 2
I know it requires a trade, but Mark Melancon is getting very little love this off season. Are teams waiting for the FA market to play out?
TJECK109
If he threw 100mph he would be top of the class. I really see that as his only draw back but consistently gets the job done. After all he did get votes in the CY Young race
gomerhodge71
High save totals aside, I’ve always viewed Melancon as an 8th-inning guy.
Voice of Reason
Chapman is perfect for the Reds. Just one year left on contract so not tying up a bunch of cash long term.
Turtle
Chapman is exactly the player Houston wants, but Jeff Luhnow and Walt Jocketty don’t have the best of relationships, going back to their days with the Cardinals. The Astros and Reds also matchup up very well as trade partners. This could be quite interesting.
Bob M.
Not sure the Astros want to pay for a rental, with the cost rumored.
MikeC
Sox should talk to them about Robertson.
Bob M.
Wouldn’t be surprised if
It happened.
redsfanman
Silly Astros, their goals would be satisfied just by acquiring Chapman! No need to waste time with those other guys!
AstrosWS20
Boxberger is not an upgrade over Gregerson. I know the price will be expensive, but I’d love to see the Astros get Giles or even Chapman. I love that they’re hell bent on getting someone regardless.
Bob M.
Box is a high K reliever. He may not be throwing 100 mph but his k over 10 is elite. The Astros need a reliever who generates strikeouts. Gregerson is apples to oranges to Box. I think in 2014 both threw similar amount of innings with Box striking out twice as many.
bravesred 2
Should definitely trade for Grilli. He’s about 1/3 of the price of the other closers. And he comes with a cheap option.
ASapsFables
Call the White Sox and beg for David Robertson…please, pretty please! (lol)
Bob M.
I don’t see why it’s funny. Robertson brings
The K’s needed. Sox could use a young arm ready to step in to the rotation like Vince Velazquez and some ads prospect depth.
3Tavgreg
If the Astros need a closer this bad, if I’m Sandy Alderson I call and offer Harvey, Familia
and Tejada for Correa. I think it would be a good trade for both teams.
Ray Ray
I’d bet Mets fans are glad you aren’t Sandy Alderson.
rct
What? Correa is one of the best young players in baseball. Highly touted and put up 3.3-4.1 WAR in only 99 games last year, and he’s a shortstop. He has 30-35 HR potential and isn’t even Arb-eligible until 2019.
I love Harvey and Familia (I’m not bothering to mention Tejada because the Mets have been talking about non-tendering him; not that I agree with that, but whatevs), but I would do that trade. Harvey’s going to make around $5MM next year, Familia about $3.5. Harvey is very likely to not resign with the Mets in three years, so they could look to trade him anyway. If you can get one of the best young position players (a shortstop, no less) in the game with six years of control, you do it, imo.
kingfelix34
Correa isn’t worth all of them, Harvey for Correa is a good swap tho.
eilexx
No it isn’t. Correa isn’t worth Harvey AND Familia, but he is worth more than Harvey.
Bob Smiley
CORREA is not being traded. Period.
CamStros
The mets would take Correa for Harvey and familia and run. 21 year old power hitting SS for a pitcher they might not have once his contract is up and a CP that has had one year.
Bob M.
not happening, but I could see Harvey for Altuve matching up.
Anonymous 6
Take Sergio Romo. It’s not a good deal, but please take him…please.
dan86 2
What players would the Phillies want from Houston if we trade Giles?
Bob M.
Probably 3 of the glut of upper level prospect pitchers who could be in the Phillies rotation from day one.
R.D.
I bet aj Ramos could be had for a decent price.
Bob M.
I think teams prefer Capps
seamaholic 2
Don’t pay the big bucks (or prospect cost), Houston. Go get a big arm that’s cheap. Someone like Axford would do fine, and he’s basically free now.
dan86 2
What prospects would entice the Phillies to trade Giles to Houston?
3Tavgreg
Correa reminds me of a twenty year old A-Rod, I’d take him to start my franchise over Trout or Harper. The only reason I think the Astros might consider it is that I believe they
have another top three overall pick at SS in the minors.
Astros44
I like the idea of a three way deal. What do you think? Chapman and Homer Bailey to the Yankees, Andrew Miller to the Astros, and someone like Preston Tucker Michael Feliz and Andrew Aplin to the Reds. Could something like that happen?
jljr222
So the Yankees get an amazing closer for 1 year and a terrible contract for an OK pitcher for 3 years of Andrew Miller at a fair salary? I don’t think that makes sense for the Yankees.
Mark 21
I dont think that is a good deal at all. Bailey is not cheap for the next 4 plus years. They want cheap controllable pitching and not a nigh priced rental closer and a over paid starter like Bailey
dhud
Meh, I could see it. I don’t know how much interest they have in trading Bailey and if they do how much value they think he holds.
If they’re trading both, they may feel the need to get a bit more back than that. Maybe Fisher, Moran, or Kemp as another throw in or in place of Aplin
Mark 21
You are not going to get allot for Chapman and Bailey as a package. Bailey is not cost effective for the next 5 years and Chapman is a 1 year rental. You would have more value just trading Chapman alone. Bailey hurts your return I think.
dhud
For an organization like the Yankees, 4 years $81 mil might not be “cost effective,” but it’s manageable. And I can’t see how adding Bailey possible hurts your return. Yes he’s been hurt, but fully recovered he’s a number 2 or 3 starter that’ll toss a gem every now and then. And as a premise I just don’t understand how adding another player lessens return
Ray Ray
He’s a 1 year rental, but he is a very good 1 year rental. Not only that, but he is definitely worthy of a qualifying offer, so you’ll get one prospect back at least. Chapman is not going to come cheap. Three prospects, one top 50, one top 100, and a high upside low level guy at a minimum for him.
dhud
As a Reds fan, I’m bullish on Chapman’s value as well, but even I think that may be a bit much.
I’d go with one top 50 and a top 100, or one top 50 and two more mid-level
Ray Ray
I agree with your assessment if the deal happens at the trade deadline. But if it happens in the offseason, he will eligible for the QO next year and the Reds should get an extra prospect out of the deal.
petenhall14
If I’m Brian Cashman I wouldn’t do that deal…Bailey is coming off TJ surgery and wont pitch till at least Mid-May, his contract is long
jakegreenberg24
At first sounded like a terrible trade, but it’s possible. Don’t quite understand why the Yankees would want to take on Bailey’s contract just to upgrade Miller by a bit.
dhud
I really hope HOU and CIN work something out. They’re a perfect fit. It’s just going to come down to agreeing on a price
123redsox
Ken Giles and Cody Asche to Astros for Tony Kemp, Nolan Fontana, Derek Fisher, Patrick Sandavol and Teoscar Hernandez
darrendaulton
I’d go for that if I were the Phils
dan86 2
Papelbon is a clubhouse cancer!!!
rr30
I’d love to see a Chapman/Frazier blockbuster trade between the Reds and Astros. Would help both teams out a lot. Reds get a bunch of highly regarded young prospects, Astros get an elite closer and a very good 3B on a team friendly contract for 2 years.
dhud
Yes please.
Ray Ray
I think you are talking Bregman, Appel, Moran, and possibly even someone like McCullers for that package. I doubt it happens, but it would really be fun to talk about.
rr30
Yeah, Bregman + at least 2 other highly touted guys would be the minimum for that. Stros would get 2 guys to help them for a WS run, the Reds get badly needed bats to pair with their ridiculious pitching prospect depth.
Bob M.
Can’t see it happening. Maybe Daz Cameron, Vince Velasquez, Feliz, and Fisher. But I doubt Bregman gets moved before they see what they got first.
dan86 2
Does anyone see a chapman for Giles trade?
budman3 2
McGee and Loney (along with 3 million dollars) from the Rays in exchange for Marwin Gonzalez andKyle Tucker (as a player to be named later because he was drafted in June). Maybe Astros throw in Jonathan Singleton to save some money as well.
Ray Ray
He doesn’t need to be a PTBNL anymore since the season ended. They changed that rule and now current year draft picks can be traded at the end of the World Series.
NL_East_Rivalry
Don’t need to do PTBNL. They changed the rules. Can trade after season ends
darrendaulton
I would love for the Phillies to work out a deal to trade Giles. He’s a stud but his value will never be greater.
AndreB
Boxberger would be too expensive
Bob M.
Giles makes the most sense. It gives them the ability to spend even more money. Possibly extend Keuchel long term, maybe sign Gomez after the season, maybe extend Springer….
If you have the prospects to deal, dont trade for a reliever who costs a lot of money. The Phillies would be greatly happy with Vince Velasquez, eating the Feldman contract, and possibly Feliz or Paulino.
Bob M.
I think if the Astros do end up with Chapman, we are going to see him throwing 2 innings and 3 innings a lot. Houston isnt going to waste him by limiting him to just the 9th inning. I would expect to see Chapman throw 120 innings.
Ray Ray
What about Mariano Rivera? He pitched 1283 innings in his career (or about the same as 26 year old Rick Porcello). Was his career wasted because he was mainly pitched in the 9th inning alone?
Chapman is as close to a lights out closer as there is going today. His biggest problem comes from his loss of focus when people get on base. He walks quite a few more people when there are already men on base. Pitching multiple innings will only exacerbate that problem.
Bob M.
He’s a close the lights out pitcher who should be used in the highest leverage situation of a game and that is not always the 9th inning. Chapman may walk batters but he lead the league far and away in strike out rate. If players can’t put the ball in play multiple times, they aren’t going to involve BABIP, which was the down fall of the Houston pen.
Overbrook
David Robertson is consistent year to year and is a very good pitcher. He’s just a bit overpaid. He had an excellent year last year, but Whitesox fans only remember the few blown saves. Whitesox fans would love him were he not in a Whitesox uniform. (Miller, whom everyone fawns over, had a WAR of 2 while Robertson’s was 1.8).
That said, if a “closer” is what you want, Strikeouts aren’t important. Closers pitch clean innings. The more valuable pitcher is the one who can get out of jams and for that Ks and induced double players are critical. Robertson is a high K pitcher.
Bob M.
Quintana and Robertson going to Houston in a major block buster wouldn’t surprise me. Could even involve McCullers and Bregman
memphismike
I thought the astro’s were a team supposedly going ALL IN when it comes to sabermetrics. Aren’t matchups in the later innings more important than having a specific pitcher pitching the 9th inning?
bcslouck
Any chance they give the O’s a call about Britton?
Bob M.
Tucker and Appel could fit