The hiring of Dave Dombrowski puts a new face atop the Red Sox’ baseball operations hierarchy but does not change the goal and the philosophy of the organization, writes Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald. As Silverman writes, the Red Sox were going to overhaul the roster this winter whether Dombrowski, Ben Cherington or someone else was leading the charge. Chairman Tom Werner and president John Henry both spoke about how the team will still use data and analytics to its advantage, while Dombrowski said he’s not planning to “blow up” Boston’s baseball ops department.
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- Tim Britton of the Providence Journal looks at how Dombrowski’s history will tie in with the Red Sox. Dombrowski has a reputation for trading prospects for proven talent after his time in Detroit, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing, he notes. Part of successfully executing that philosophy is trading prospects at peak value and maximizing return — something the Sox failed to do with names like Will Middlebrooks and Anthony Ranaudo. Dombrowski spoke of dealing from a surplus in his introduction to Boston media, Britton writes, and he points out that center field, shortstop and catcher could all be areas of surplus/redundancy for the Sox. The other questions for Dombrowski in Boston will be how aggressively he’ll pursue top-flight free agent pitching this winter and whether or not he can rebuild a bullpen that has been largely problematic in 2015, writes Britton.
- Praising the Yankees’ decision to hang onto the likes of Greg Bird, Luis Severino and other top prospects is premature, opines Andy Martino of the New York Daily News. While Bird and Severino have each contributed to the Bombers over the past few weeks, Martino writes that the true wisdom or folly of that decision won’t be known for quite some time. A dominant October run from Severino might speed up the process of proving GM Brian Cashman’s decision to be shrewd, but the possibility also exists that the Yankees’ coveted prospects will go the route of Jesus Montero. Martino doesn’t necessarily make the argument that Cashman should have traded prospects away, but rather just urges onlookers to take a less reactionary approach following a two-homer game from Bird and a trio of solid starts from Severino, as narratives can change quickly when looking at small samples from early in prospects’ careers.
- On the heels of last night’s report from Ken Rosenthal, Sportsnet’s Shi Davidi writes that he, too, hears the Blue Jays consider Indians president Mark Shapiro a “strong candidate” to replace retiring CEO Paul Beeston. However, Davidi notes that there may yet be others in the mix for the impending vacancy. Notably, Davidi writes that the “assumption” is that GM Alex Anthopoulos will be offered some kind of extension prior to his contract’s expiration on Oct. 31.
- Miguel Gonzalez’s struggles with the Orioles are ill-timed, writes Eduardo A. Encina of the Baltimore Sun. The organization’s top alternatives at the minor league level — Tyler Wilson and Mike Wright — are both injured at the moment, and there aren’t many other options to give him a break from his troubles. As Encina notes, Gonzalez has struggled quite a bit when ahead in the count — even on 0-2 counts — which has contributed to a 6.48 ERA over his past 11 starts. I’ll add that the struggles are doubly problematic for Gonzalez, who is eligible for arbitration for the second time this winter and due a raise on his $3.275MM salary.
Joe McMahon
For what it’s worth, Montero was great until he started playing for Seattle. You know, the same organization that ruined Ackley and Smoak and is trying its hardest to ruin Zunino. He might have been fine if he stayed in NY.
redsoxu571
There is a reason he was playing great until he went to Seattle. You might want to check his suspension history.
User 4245925809
That’s pretty bold.. Same Seattle organization which developed James Paxton, Kyle Seager, Taijaun Walker, Brad Miller.. Majority of the contents of one of the best BP’s in the game (other than Rodney). Carter Capps, who is doing mighty fine with the marlins right about now.. Looking over those Yanks, don’t see very many young guys they have put onto the field, just a bunch of 30-40YO guys collecting massive paychecks?
Might want to remember that fact when posting about organizations which continually fail to produce talent from within it’s own farm.
Joe McMahon
Paxton, Walker and Capps are all pitchers and Miller is only ok. Seattle has a reputation of not being able to develop their talented hitting prospects, that’s not just me making things up. Almost all of their highly touted hitting prospects in the last decade, other than Seager, have failed.
Also, the Yankees actually have a ton of young talent right now. More than a lot of teams anyway.
jjs91
Paxton is also just okay. He;s not that different than Nova coming off TJ surgery.
jjs91
Yup that Yankees pitching staff is soooo old.
jjs91
“Majority of the contents of one of the best BP’s in the game (other than Rodney).”
The M’s pen has the 7th worst ERA in baseball, the fifth worst FIP, and the 6th worst WHIP. I’m not sure that they’re considered one of the best bullpens in baseball.
The M’s have had a lot of failures in developing their top prospects. As has boston over the years and every team. But of course you’re focused on only one.
User 4245925809
I focused on what the original poster when after. YOU brought up Boston, which has developed a few people themselves over the last half dozen years, but That’s another topic, not what the original poster was dicing on..
jjs91
The poster didn’t bring up the yankees you did. He pointed out that seattle has failed many hitters. Like smoak, montero, zunnino, ackley, and several others who were supposed to be good hitting prospects.
rct
CC Sabathia is the only player on the Yankees over 28 to have started more than three games for the Yankees. Him and Chris Capuano are the only pitchers over 30 who have thrown more than 3 innings all season.
As for hitting, the only regulars who are older than 32 just happen to be their three best hitters (via OPS+).
jjs91
Not to mention the yankees are considered to have one of the deepest system in baseball, and were ranked tenth in MLB.com updated list,
Lance
the yanks farm system the last decade has not been very productive. the reason for their success prior to that was developing Jeter, BWilliams, Pettit, Mariano, Cano, Soriano and Posada. In recent years, it hasn’t been pretty.
thecoffinnail
As reported a couple of days ago the Yankees 2006 draft had several very good bullpen pieces in it including Betances.. The main reason it hasn’t been pretty the last couple of years has been injuries to top prospects like Heathcott, Williams, and Banuelos.. Heathcott showed in a small sample size that he was deserving of his former top prospect status and if he can ever stay on the field can still turn into something special.. Had he avoided injuries we could very well be seeing him playing center instead of Ellsbury..
bobbleheadguru
1. DD likes Porcello, but not at his salary. He had plenty of chances to lock Ricky at a much lower AAV than he ultimately got, but passed. Will be interesting to see if he gets moved.
2. He has sort of the opposite of what he had in Detroit. He moved to a much better farm system, but ironically, an OLDER MLB roster, with NO Top of the Rotation Arms (like he always has coveted). Will be interesting to see whether Detroit or Boston bounces back first.
3. His “power arms” draft mantra will likely continue in Boston. Expect pick after pick after pick of high velocity starting pitchers in the the draft.
ianthomasmalone
Remind me who Detroit’s top of the rotation arms are again?
rct
Never fear, Randy Wolf is on the way.
Dock_Elvis
You mean, Nineteen Teens Wolf?
ianthomasmalone
I’ve actually always liked Randy Wolf and hope he does well. That said, I don’t have high hopes.
bobbleheadguru
Verlander (Cy Young, MVP)
Scherzer (Cy Young)
Price (Cy Young).
Sanchez (ERA Title).
Should I keep going? Perhaps you did not notice the word “had” in my post?
ianthomasmalone
I did.
“He has sort of the opposite of what he had in Detroit.”
Past tense could go many ways considering he’s no longer in Detroit.
Vandals Took The Handles
That’s silly.
He answered your question.
ianthomasmalone
Not really. Saying DD moved to a situation with no top of the rotation arms implies that he had them at his previous spot. I don’t really care what he had in Detroit last year or in the years before. It’s not Detroit did better than Boston under DD’s tenure, though some think that rings are worth less than AL Central first place finishes.
bruinsfan94 2
How is the MLB roster old? Age is inflated by Koji and Ortiz but the core is young.
bobbleheadguru
Fair enough. Big Papi, Pedroia, Koji, and years left on Panda, Hanley and Porcello, not really that OLD, but certainly a burden and likely “over the hill” for 3-4 of those 6. [Tigers and Red Sox average ages are within a 1/2 year of each other].
Tigers on the other hand have a horrible Verlander contract (though his ERA has been under 3 combined in his last several starts) and VMART. Miggy will be VMART’s age when VMART retires and even injured with low plate appearances, he is still likely to win his 4th batting title. I would not call Miggy “over the hill” yet.
User 4245925809
They did that pretty much this last draft. Instead of picking a LOT of, what I term “organizational fodder” pitchers, that throw in the 88-92mph range, the Sox took 2 kids that throw from 98-100mph. Max Watt and Kevin Kelleher. Not that both are sure-fire things.. They have serious mechanical flaws to fix and only lots of time will tell if they will even be serviceable relievers.
Other than that though, they took Logan Allen in rd8, signed him at 725k as a genuine hard thrower, then Travis Lakins and Ben Taylor in rounds 4-5 both reach the mid90’s plus as well.
Marc Brakeman in Rd16 (225k) is another power arm they took. The team seems to have gotten away, for at least 1 draft from those softer tossers.
dmm1047
What the Sox need are old style evaluators who really have a knack for fingering future stars.
redsoxu571
You have a lot a ridiculous bit of Captain Hindsight from guys like Tim Britton (and he’s not alone in this case). Bringing up Ranaudo and Middlebrooks are terrific examples of the WRONG way to criticize teams for what they do with their prospects.
Ranaudo likely wasn’t dealt “at peak value” because, news flash, that value still wasn’t very high. You have a guy who was highly regarded before being drafted until he suffered injury, and who struggled early on in his professional career. His “peak value” still wasn’t good enough to make ANY prominent top prospect lists though, and with his arrow pointed up Boston likely was looking for his stock to rise more, into tradeable asset territory. He never got there…also a good look at why teams didn’t really want him in the first place.
As for Middlebrooks, you couldn’t be less ignorant than to criticize Boston for not trading him at peak value. His “peak value” was as a rapid-rising power-hitting third baseman, who hit MLB-readiness AT THE SAME TIME THAT BOSTON HAD A HUGE HOLE AT 3B. When your minor league system produces a very promising and ready (though flawed…his plate discipline was highly questioned) prospect at a massive position of need, guess what you do with him? You play him in the majors! Which is what Boston did. What could Boston possibly have gotten in a deal at the value of roughly the 30th overall prospect that would have helped it more than Middlebrooks himself?
Middlebrooks has fallen short because he suffered some injury setbacks and hasn’t been able to overcome the deficiencies in his game. None of that had yet happened when his value was high, and by the time it became clear to Boston that he wasn’t the answer, his value was almost gone. That’s how it often goes with prospects.
I’m surprised Britton didn’t bring up Lavarnway too as a guy who should have been “sold high on”. Hmm, a prospect who hits at every minor league level but who has defensive position issues and who scouts hate and see as a AAAA player…what kind of return was HE ever going to offer? Sometimes players like that turn into Kevin Youkilis, and sometimes you end up with a Garin Cecchini.
This reminds me of the constant fantasy baseball articles written on “this guy’s at peak value now; sell high on him!” that are usually written about players everyone knows are sell-high guys and so nobody wants to pay market value for. It takes two to tango, and if nobody is offering anything close to the current high value of the player, why trade him? You’re better off sticking with the guy and seeing whether the high value is actually a sustained breakout than you are selling the guy for a mediocre return.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Well, James Shields cleared waivers correct?
User 4245925809
Shields is owed way to much money IMO for any team to take on, unless they can give back another contract in exchange and don’t think the O’s have any bad deals currently at all, another thing Duquette was good at.. Avoiding LT contracts that had to potential to turn bad, why the Manny Ramirez deal was such a shocker he gave out. Then.. Maybe nobody, outside of Cleveland had ever heard of Ramirez’s massive go before that deal? Heh..
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Well, he isn’t a 20 million dollar a year pitcher Silver, but if the O’s can cut a deal here, they should do it!!!!
Vandals Took The Handles
He knocked in 432 runs in the previous 3 years.
No one outside of Cleveland ever heard of him?
thecoffinnail
I think he was pointing to Ramirez’s huge ego rather than his outstanding play in Cleveland..
Niekro
So how long before Jose Fernandez is in Boston? Next year trade deadline or the year after?
stl_cards16 2
Now that the Red Sox got Stanton, we can finally move on to the next Marlins star they will trade for….
mike156
If the Yankees make the playoffs this year and a few of the Severino, Bird, and the rest of the prospects pan out (obviously, not all will) than Cashman’s bet will turn out to have been a good one. The roster, as currently constituted, is not of championship quality, and bringing in one or two older rentals at the price of youth and athleticism wouldn’t have made it that way either. So, I think it was a wise choice on balance. But we won’t know that right away
Vandals Took The Handles
The team plays solid baseball. In spite of so many old guys with bad contracts, the Yankees are slowly getting better and younger. Cashman and Girardi are doing a wonderful job.