3:46pm: MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki reports (via Twitter) that Hamels will not start for the Phillies Thursday, as had been scheduled. Hamels’ start has been pushed back to Friday, though that game comes after the trade deadline. This prevents a disastrous scenario in which Hamels suffers an injury and also makes him available to start immediately for his team either Friday or Saturday if he’s traded on Thursday or Friday.
11:32am: The Phillies are notifying teams with interest in lefty Cole Hamels that they would like to receive their best offers tomorrow, Jayson Stark of ESPN.com reports. It’s unclear what the team’s decisionmaking process or timeline would be from that point, but there is at least some possibility of a deal occurring before Hamels makes his scheduled start on Thursday.
It makes sense, of course, that Philadelphia would look to strike a deal just ahead of Friday’s deadline. He is fresh off of a no-hitter, after two rough starts before it, so there’s only downside in putting him back on the hill in a Phillies uniform. And handing off another outing won’t hurt his trade value, either.
As for the suitors, we’ve heard of late movement from the Giants as well as from the Astros and Diamondbacks. Stark lists those clubs, along with the Dodgers, Rangers, Cubs, Yankees, and Red Sox, as organizations known to have had ongoing discussions with Philadelphia.
As he notes, however, “about half of that group” is participating because the Phillies have sought “to reopen discussion” of names that were previously deemed off limits. And one source says that there’s “nothing happening” with San Francisco, per the report.
De Leon, Zach Lee, Alex Guerrero, Scott Schebler and Darnell Sweeney for Hamels. Do it Dodgers!
Why not offer Puig plus and give fewer prospects?
Because the Dodgers want to win now.
For one, Puig has more value than Hamels. It would have to be Hamels+, not the other way around.
Lol the lack of baseball knowledge on here is quite amusing.
2014 WAR
Hamels: 6.6
Puig: 5.2
2015 WAR
Hamels: 2.8
Puig: 0.7
Not to mention that Puigs OPS has declined every year in the league. It went from .925 in his rookie year to .750 this year. Puig by himself isn’t even close to getting a deal done for Hamels, especially now with Hamels’ value sky high.
Dont forget about the behavioral/chemistry issues as well..
Go down the list of top-50 WAR hitters, and the list of top-50 WAR pitchers. See how many of the hitters were acquired through free agency vs the number of pitchers… Because it’s significantly more difficult to acquire top hitting, they’re more valuable. Not saying Puig is that guy, but the new reality of baseball is that hitters are worth more on the market than pitchers.
@ragincajunbrave – How about you keep your rubbish, and the Phillies counter with Jerome William for Kershaw, straight up. You get salary relief, and when the NLCS comes up, Im sure Williams can do better then 0-3 with 7.32 era! Do it Phillies!!! If the dodgers put up a fuse, will throw in Haarang …. but we really don’t want tooooo … kershaw isn’t worth it 🙂
Rubbish? Okay, then. You can keep him and hope the Phillies can rebuild in time before he starts to decline. It was just a proposal, no need to get heated.
@dieharrd – Im not getting heated, everything i type is in a calm, matter of fact tone. message board responses lose that tone, but for the record, its baseball, no need to get heated … !!! are for being animated, not heated.
Rubbish? You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. De Leon is one of the best prospects in baseball.
its rubbish bro… ask yourself…. would you accept the same for Kershaw? I thought soooo. BTW, Kershaw chokes in the playoffs…. hes a regular season stud, and a playoff dud … remember that before you start talking how HAMELS ISNT a big game pitcher…. Hamels is worth Seager as a headline, if not, keep your rubbish, and insert them in your playoff race, correction, in your win now playoff race.
I’m going to guess you’re the only person here that would take Hamels over Kershaw in ANY game.
I agree with him….if Kershaw is severely injured and can’t throw a baseball
@STL_cards16 – well informed fans would know that Kershaw chokes under pressure. Hamels, on the other hand, throws no hitters in the face of pressure. Whats Kershaw’s playoff record again? That shows he can’t turn it up a notch when needed. Then follow that by grienke, whos 1-2, thats not enough yet, but tell me the dodgers don’t want Kerhaw, Grienke and Hamels in the playoffs and that thats not worth Seager? Keep dreaming, you guys want to walk into a Ferrari dealer and offer 50K for the latest model…. riiiiight, willl keep hamels then.
I dont see how him throwing his first no hitter for a last place club is in the face of pressure…
@theo2016 — lol of course you don’t THEO, of course you don’t THEO… That is pretty funny. Not biased at all 🙂
Theo and I go back and forth a lot on here…and he’s yet to troll me. He makes intelligent comments, even if I feel the need to make.a counter comment. Hes certainly never referred to a comment as rubbish or called me bro… Bro
@redline – What is wrong with the word rubbish? If a brit says it is hilarious… take it in context. I don’t post online to often because everyone thinks you are trolling them if you don’t agree. I strongly disagree about the prospects being offered in the article or by posters, in a clear non threatening way. Bro is a figure of speech. I know he is not my bro, but thanks 🙂 …. Bro 🙂 (relax its supposed to make you smile brah 🙂
@tac…it’s fine..like I said…you should get an award for using rubbish and bro consecutively. I don’t even pay attention to offer proposals by commenters… It’s a pointless rabbit trail.
School is out for the summer. It’s the only time when you see the words “bro”, “brah” and emojis.
Hey brav
Well you said throws no hitters in the face of pressure. Just pointing out that was his first and the game was meaningless for the phils but ok facts are biased.
@Theo2016 – technically, its his second no hitter (combined for one last year) and I totally disagree… that was absolutely pressure at Wringley… the whole baseball world watching, trying to say you lost it, you don’t have it no more… That your not an ACE, that your not worth top tier prospects, vs and up and coming lineup, against a team that hasn’t been no hit in how many years? Thats pressure… o and it you fail for a 3rd start in a row… teams are going to low ball the FO, which in all likely hood keeps you pitching on a last place team, vs a pennant race.. Definelty pressure… if not, he has his NLCS and WS MVP awards to back him up. (Not said in a nasty troll way, I just disagree, which is fine)
Well i dont think he really cares what he gets traded for. And theyve been watching him for weeks. He had his best stuff against a lineup that really struggles against good changeups. Im sure teams will also take into accoung both bryant and ross hit balls that were homers if the wind wasnt blowing dead in. He was great but one start in july isnt game 7 of the world series.
You and Theo are pushing both ends to the extreme…its pressure and its not. I don’t think the WORLD was watching to see if he lost it…maybe some questions over an injury…but a few bad outings wouldn’t lead most to question if he’d lost it.
My whole question is that would Hamels have be considered a failure now for going 7 and allowing a few hits and a run maybe two?
@redline, I think that would have been fine too. Obviously the no hitter is better. I think Theo is underestimating how much a of a big game performance that was. Thats as about as pressure packed as it gets in the regular season during the trade deadline. Its not the playoffs, but a poor result could have you stuck on the Philliies, vs a playoff race. There was significant pressure, id say 8/10 on the scale. with meaningful games in the regilar season being 9/10 and the playoff moments 10/10s
I think it was a big game as well…but I think there’s a middle ground between you guys discussion points. Theo and I go round and round about Baez…you should ask him about Baez
You make the point that Kershaw and Greinke “choke” in the playoffs and then say that the Dodgers should give Seager for Hamels because a playoff rotation of Kershaw, Greinke, and Hamels would be ridiculous in the playoffs.
@ART – Hamels is worth Seager to hedge their bet in the playoffs.. If it was me, and I was the dodgers who traded for Hamels, I’d Pitch Hamels 1st, then Grienke, and then Kershaw. Maybe taking the spot light off of him will help him thrive and get going. he has enough of a track record to worry about him in the playoffs, until he shows otherwise. I say he wins 2 games this postseason, which is an improvement for him. Grienke, still to small of a sample size. For Kershaw, regular seasons are now mostly irrelevant. He needs to prove it in the playoffs, I hope he does, because its going to be the topic going in , and if he happens to lose game one, flood gates will open on him.
I’m a well informed fan and can spot small sample size when I see it.
That’s all that needs to be said about Kershaw’s playoff performance.
I’m no pitcher but I think throwing a no hitter causes a pitcher to feel some modicum of pressure. Kershaw has one already, and almost had a perfecto last Saturday. I’m sure he’ll have more by the time he’s inducted.
Phil humber threw a perfect game. That makes him an all timer? Theres a lot of luck involved even for the best.
Jury is still out on which can shuffle a deck of cards with a single hand. I’d take Kershaw with that as well as a single game. Maybe I’m dumb, but I think Kershaw has talent
Looking at the deal..Would you take Price Urias/Seager at 30 mil a year.Or Hollywood Hamels at 22 mil a yr..Of course Price isnt a guarantee,but the Dodgers will come out of it with probably one and resign Greinke.Too the Dodgers,money means nothing.
I don’t think Urias/Seager go for Price or Hamels.. So Dodgers might have their choice…and an extra 8 for Price won’t stop them. What might stop them is a bidding war in the winter with Chicago
@redline … who said he didn’t? Its how that talent translates into the playoffs. Baseball is the only sport where the defense controls its own destiny for the entire game. When your the SP, you can’t hide. There are plenty of Athletes that perform well in the regular season and then poo it in the playoffs… currently, Kershaw is one of those players … unless you consider a 1-5 record with 5.32 era clutch like.
@tac3….still small sample size. Past record isn’t necessarily a predictor of future performance. I need a few more blow ups to call him choke. You could say the same thing about stretches during the season….Kershaw generally gets shelled by the Rockies as well.
Hamels or Kershaw? I’d be glad to put either out there
Is that you Ruben?
@Draven Moss – ssssssshhhhhhhh!!!!!
Well philly know they aren’t getting either of their top two prosprcts. So they want the next best thing. Philly can’t be too picky or no one going to bite
Using rubbish and bro consecutively in a comment should qualify for some kind of odd prize
De Lepn is great….when healthy which is why he’s not as attractive as a piece. You could be the second coming of Nolan Ryan or Greg Maddux and your value will be severely hurt if youre injured often.
Basketball, baseball, football, any sport- your best ability is your availability.
As a package it is rubbish. Its de leon and AAAA guys.
We’ll trade Castro for a bucket of baseballs. Straight up.
and some skittles
And some skittles. Damn right we are firm on this offer.
They can have Leon guerrero and schebler. I wouldn’t trade Sweeney he could be the dodgers furture 2nd baseman
Hecter oliveria. You gave him 60 mil to be a minor league player?
All of the above + Puig for Fernandez (Marlins)
This is the kind of offer that is likely to make Hamels a Ranger.
Pretty sure I wouldn’t want to put Hamels out there on Thursday and risk injury
It’s got to be an artificial deadline. You don’t take any risk at all, especially if you are going down to the wire.
You do take injury risk which would damage his value
That’s what I meant, but it was too late to edit. I wouldn’t pitch Hamels Thursday. But I do think Amaro’s deadline in artificial.
I don’t think teams that are serious want dont him starting on Thursday…if he would get injured…the market tightens and they then have to make an even stronger offer on someone else. Shoot…if I’m the Dodgers I just call Cleveland and ask about Kluber
I think they would just hold him out, “if” they are definitely going to trade him. I’m sure the team who trades for him wouldn’t mind the extra rest for the stretch run. Im not convinced they are going to deal him. They may choose to build around him.
Choosing to build around him would be foolish. They need the young players he can return. Keep him and you’re ensuring the team won’t be competitive for most of his contract.
no mookie… what would be foolish is to trade him and not get 2 top tier prospects for him. If they would have traded him few years back when the deal was betts or middlebrooks…. how would that have turned out for them… or with texas for Profar and Olt? Yeah, i thought so, so its not imperative the Phillies trade him. They can return to playoffs either way, it just depends on how long it will take.. and that is determined by avoiding misteps, like trading for junk prospects that are all shined up.
No one suggested junk prospects. There are enough teams involved that they should be able to get a descent offer. Keeping him is just silly when you’re moving everything else that isn’t nailed down. Either trade him for the best offer out there or wait and watch the offers get worse or don’t trade him at all and waste more time. But building around him isn’t going to happen.
@Mookie – coming through the eyes of a redsoxs fan…. this is insightful. I appreciate the advice, but please, you don’t know very much about the Phillies by what you are stating. They have players coming , with or without a Hamels trade. Its not neccessary to trade him for a package of prospects thats not top notch… as ive proven before, prospects are just that. prospects. Your teams can keep them and run the risk of developing them ,,, Ill keep the proven LH Ace with WS MVP on his resume. By the time the phillies compete again, maybe he’s a #3 starter… and thats ok, because he’ll step up his game come playoff time, I have no doubt. I don’t need maybe’s. its seager/urias or your not serious. for the other teams, yeah, your top two, or go into the playoffs, crash and burn, and then overpay for a Ace in the winter. You can celebrate your FA championship only to fail to realize, that the 200mil 7 yr deal is going to prevent you from signing 2 of your growing stars in the tail end of his contract…. Look at the Nats with Jason werth!!!
If they keep him they wont be competitive before his contract expires.
That’s assuming a Cubs style tear down..which the Phillies might not do. They could play in free agency as soon as this winter.
Nah i was just saying they have too many holes. If they keep him they need 3 starting pitchers a first basemen, a whole new outfield. Basically the have hamels, nola, franco and crawford moving forward. No one else project as regulars. I could see eflin working out and maybe an of but too many holes to rely on f.a. ask the white sox.
Just guessing..How much would you value Seager/Urias over the next 4/5 years roughly.Not their contract,just their value in dollars.
Well moncada cost 70 mil right? So north of 100 mil.
now add 22mil a yr on top of that..Hamels can pitch,no doubt.But that (He is a cheap ACE) line doesnt factor the total deals worth when u add elite prospects.I dont blame Philly at all for getting all they can,just be prepared to keep him.And they are wanting him gone really bad or they wouldnt be playing all the schrades.
You have one of the bottom 10 farms in all of baseball. That tells me all I need to know. Sure you have a player or two that has the potential to be a star. But again, no one suggested taking a bad return for Hamels. If you do your rebuild just right there’s a chance you could be competitive three years from now. If not enjoy having Hamels as a number three starter for one season.
Im not a Phillies fan by nomeans.I was just asking Tac how much he values those prospects.Then add 22 million dollars a yr on top and thats what the Dodgers are giving up.I see an OK haul coming back for Hamels,but not no monster haul.The GM’s basicaly said in the offseason to keep him.
That’s pretty much why he’s still Philly.
Farm rankings can be deceiving. It’s how many actually turn into major league impact.
I agree in the sense they need to land at least one top prospect… And they could also quickly rebuild as well.
You must be forgetting Hamels salary. When you suck you don’t build around a SP at that price nearing the down swing of their career.
@myaccount … Philadelphia is not a small market team. I;m not forgetting about the money at all.> The Phillies will gladly pay it becasue Hamels is beloved here, and he’s cheap for an Ace, so even if he decines, he will still be around his value. You gotta spend money to make money. For those that don’t think hamels is a steal… go overpay in FA and come back to me. The Phillies arent; going to blink, pay up or don’t pick up the phone. They will be glad to Build around him (Hamels, Nola, FA, Morgan, Biddle, Efflin, etc) set bullpen in Giles, Diekman, etc, Crawford, Franco, Hernadez, Athlerr, Quinn, Rudolph, and this years #1 and all the international draft picks coming… The Phillies are not in as bad plunge as you think. Sandberg crapped out on them, They aren’t awesome, but they aren’t as bad as theyve played either. Time will prove it. I can wait until 17 or 18 with Hamels. Thats fine with us.
So other teams’ prospects aren’t very good, but all of those players will contribute to Philly’s future? I though we couldn’t put stock in prospects?
@mookie — no no no you got it all wrong, its just that your top current major league player isn’t worth any of our top unproven prospects.
Well there goes the last small amount of credibility you had.
Good terminology, to describe some these prospects. Tommy Lasorta, explained Dodgers deceit of doing Business years ago, about letting hitting Prospect advance to Thin Air AAA cities to Inflate Value for Trades , Most of their top Notch Pitching Prospect , where already Called up to Pitch at Major League Level.
Dodgers AAA is in Oklahoma City now…I can assure you that’s not thin air.
I think they know the prospects they want…and that is why Texas is so involved.
I’ll be stunned if he pitches thursday if not traded by then
On second thought, seeing as how highly regarded Hamels is in the Philly front office and amongst Philly fans, perhaps Philly should just let Hamels remain a Philly for the rest of his career. A good trade could restock their system, but if the definition of “good trade” is the highest possible return and multiple top tier prospects, maybe they could never be satisfied with any offer.
I would be shocked if he makes his next start for Philly….makes no sense.
Dodgers will probably get him. No other team has a prospect as good as De Leon (that’s available anyway) and the Dodgers have the need and money to pay Hamels as well.
If not the Dodgers, probably the Rangers or Astros. Both have strong prospect depth as well, although it depends on the availability of guys like Chi Chi and Mazaro.
I would expect Chi Chi to be in the Hamels deal.
If i was a phillies fan id be really disappointed. Chi chi will be a 5th starter.
It was reported yesterday that Mazara is completely off the table and will not be traded for Cole. They will also only include Alfaro if the Phillies kick in big buck. They are also hesitant to move Chi-Chi so I really don’t see anything happening on that front.
I think that was more of a leverage tactic. Judging by how competitive the race for Hamels has become and how demanding the Phillies have been, unless the Rangers include either Mazara or Gallo with Alfaro then no deal.
The Astros have a surplus of pitching and outfield prospects. Appel and Phillips beat any of the Dodgers deals without Seager. If Philly sends money to the Astros I can easily see them parting with Appel, Phillips, and other highly regarded prospects not named Carlos Correa.
Hamels, Kazmir, Keuchel are a pretty dominant 3 going forward and into the playoffs. Trading Phillips still leaves them Tucker and Fisher in the outfield and trading Appel still leaves them Velaquez and McCullers and others.
i dont know if the Astros will, but they certainly can and have better prospects.
Appels stock just keeps falling…
If Hamels would OK a deal to Houston, then I’d love to see them involved in the bidding. They’ve said Phillips isn’t going anywhere, but if he was on the table, that offer would be the one to beat in my eyes.
Bad move for the Stros Hamels gives you triple lefties Appel is not as good as most of the Dodgers prospects the Phillies would want McCullers and Hamels does not want Houston. The Dodgers Triple team is winning with real AAA players most who were AA last year in a pitchers area of the PCL
Baez was offered. Id take him over de leon everyday. His bust is still an everyday player utility guy at worst. De leon could need tjs and never reach the bigs.
If the Rangers are in the neighborhood of, say, Williams/Brinson/Ortiz, I don’t see how the Dodgers can trump that without Seager.
Rangers could still have a fallback chip of swapping out Williams for Mazara. Their depth of prospects makes them the leader on this.
I do think if Rangers offer Mazara in any type of package, Hamels will be on his way to Texas
I believe Jon Daniels is dead set on keeping Mazara
Probably. And I further believe Texas can top any other team’s offer with a package that doesn’t even include Mazara. They are super deep in quality prospects.
Sure they could top just about anyone but doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Otherwise Hamels would be getting ready to face the Yankees in Texas Thursday night.
The Rangers would not be able to beat a Dodgers package around Seagar or Urias. Not that there is much of a chance that happens, but Texas wouldn’t even be able to top that with Gallo.
That’s a lot of talent. I’d hate to give all three of those guys up. Ortiz has ace potential.
Brinson isnt really a great prospect. Repeating a in a hitters league and park. 21 is old for a real non pitcher prospect there.
The Phils don’t want to take a chance on Hamels feeling fatigued (after long outing) and possibly having a bad outing next time around. This deadline may be the smartest thing they have done in years.
Yeah, I could even see the Phils holding Hamels out on Thursday even if no trade gets done just due to the fact that he threw so many pitches last time out.
No need to risk anything with Hamels on the eve of the deadline.
Add Gary Sanchez/J.R Murphy to that and perhaps you have something…It’s been said over and over again that they seek a ML ready catcher…
Except trading for a catching prospect has been proven to be pretty unnecessary. If you take a look around the league, how many young stud catchers are there? Not many, because if they can hit they all get moved out of there anyway. You can win with a below average offensive catcher if he plays good defense. Posey is really the only stud out there right now.
Nova, Shreve and Refsnyder for Hamels.
As a Yankees fan, I would do that in a heartbeat, but there’s no way Philly would.
C’mon man, don’t we Yankee fans get bashed enough on here? Do you really need to fan the flame?
Not enough, and it doesn’t make any sense for Philly to trade Hamels for a package that includes a starter without a ton of control, a reliever, and a second-tier prospect.
That wouldn’t even get the Phillies on the phone
Try Judge Refsnyder and Sanchez, and then pray Rube doesn’t ask for Severino.
I would do that in a heartbeat. Nothing about Judge makes me all that attached to him. I would like to keep Severino though. I’m not Cash or RAJ though.
Judge and Sanchez are two guys the Phillies really like, maybe Mateo or Bird instead of Severino on top of Refsynder could get that done.
I hope the Astros make a move for him and Carlos Gomez
I say the Cardinals offer Garcia, Lyons, Cooney, Bourjous and Adams for Hamels and Howard. St. Louis gets a dominant left hander and first baseman and the Phillies get YOUNG MLB ready and proven talent
Doesnt add up. Grichuk over bourjous and piscotty over adams would be more in line.
Thats way too much for the Cards to give up. As much as id love to see both Hamels and Howard in StL, no way is that happening.
@pujrolen are you crazy? Why would the Phillies want a guy who is hurt 99% of the time, a 28 year old backup outfielder and a hurt 27 year old 1st baseman?
Piscotty and Marco Gonzales at minimum with all of the competition on the market.
Makes sense that a deal would need to be in principle by tomorrow. Half of those teams are on Hamels no Trade list and they would need to give him time to think it over and talk to the trading team about picking up his option and so forth. Which could take 24-48 hours
Andrew Susac, Tyler Beede and a throw-in righty for Hamels.
Susac is like a Nick Franklin in that he’s almost a tad bit better than a prospect, he has Major League experience and the Giants don’t have regular ABs for him.
There’s no need to keep him around only to use him every 4th or 5th game when he could start on a lot of teams and bring back value in a trade.
Have to add chris heston or lucious fox to even get a listen.
Lol okay and then we’ll trade you Ben Lively and Freddy Galvis for Bumgarner
fact. the Astros have the best set of prospects to make a trade with the Phillies…IF…the Astros want to part with them.
Hamels also has to want to join the Astros.
That would be a fact if their recent draft picks were tradeable. As it stands several teams line up that can offer similar packages.
As a cards fan how about Kamisky, Scruggs, Stanley, and Oscar Mercado. Plus we pay all of Hamels contract. The Phillies would get a rising star of a pitcher plus a good catcher prospect as well as a speedy shortstop prospect and a potentially starting first baseman once howard is gone. The cards could then go to a 6ish man rotation to limit wacha and Martinez’s innings or if Garcia breaks down again have 5, or worst case trade Garcia too. Then next year we have stability with lynn, hamels, wacha, Martinez and a just back wainright. As a Phillies fan would that work?
Its not a bad package, but I think the Dodgers and Rangers can top it, even if Urias, Seager, Alfaro and Mazara are off the table.
you could always swap Scruggs for Jacob Wilson or Greg Garcia. Or even just add Wilson or Tim cooney too. in not one to think the Phillies will get ripped off and hamels is a top of the league pitcher. With him in the cards rotation next year, their rotation would be one of the best in baseball. You have to give to get and I think the cards should do it.
I still say you give Jaimie Garcia, Cooney Lynons Bourjouse and Adams for Hamels and Howard. Philly gets mlb ready players and with that package should eat some salary
@stl4ever Why would the Phillies want a guy who is hurt 99% of the time, a 28 year old backup outfielder and a hurt 27 year old 1st baseman?
Piscotty and Marco Gonzales at minimum with all of the competition on the market.
De Leon, Grant Holmes and Darnell Sweeney for Hamels
Williams, Ortiz, Chi Chi and Martin for Hamels
I dont see the dodgers as a match. Phillies will eat money for the best prospects. Dodgers dont want the money. So i see them talking to houston, chicago or the dbacks and eating at least 30 mil for a better package. Forgot to say texas as well.
The Cubbies take Tyson Ross for Shields
Hendricks, castro, mckinney and edwards would pribably be around the package for a trade like that.
Chicago is in dire need of a closer. Without a walk off homer by Bryant last night they’d be looking at 14 blown saves. I’m sure they’d love to have the other 13 games back and be damn near the Cardinals.
I highly doubt Toronto gets him, and I doubt he waives it for Toronto, but here goes:
Norris, Pentecost, Pompey, Labourt is probably one of the best offers AA would make
That seems like a very good deal for Hamels to me. The only questions remaining is: Will Hamels waive his NTC? Can the Jays afford Hamels?
Yeah, that’s the million dollar question. Maybe the Tulo trade will help convince him to waive his NTC. I guess the bottom line is it will depend if Rogers wants to spend the extra money for his salary.
Bold prediction: He goes to some dark horse team we haven’t even seen in the Hamels rumors yet
Toledo Mud Hens?
EXPOS? Wild Card!
I think I might have posted this last night, but I have no idea why the D’Backs would want to trade for Hamels. They aren’t winning anything this year anyways, so if they really want a top of the rotation pitcher like Hamels…….write a friggen $215 million check to David Price in December! Instead of losing 3+ prospects one of whom is probably Bradley, by signing a Price, Cueto, Samardjiza in free agency, they only lose a competitive balance pick.
Assuming its because philly will eat some money. Getting hamels at 15 mil a year allows them to reallocate money on other free agents to plug holes. I somewhat see the strategy. They would be another starter and a lot of bullpen pieces short with hamels next year.
Wish I could write a check for $215 mill
When I read this I read it as, ‘Phillies asking Cubs for best offers’
What would the Tigers have to do to parlay Price into Hamels?
With a 3rd team involved…
It may be possible.
Is Price and Cespedes for Hamels fair (Phillies get prospects, 3rd team gets Price and Cespedes)?
Only way the Phillies get this done is if they eat enough salary to make Hamels a $17-18 million per year pitcher. Otherwise, a team like the Dodgers that already has two aces is better off going after Gallardo or Samardzija — and a team like the Rangers who are eyeing next year are better off just waiting until free agency.
We shall see how Hamels thinks. Go to LA and lose in the playoffs, or go to the WORLD CHAMPION SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS, and win a ring.
If he wants to win selfish awards and lose in the playoffs he will go to la. If he wants a ring he will go to the WORLD CHAMPION GIANTS!
Time will tell………
Astros? Baltimore? Royals if a 3 team is involved? Nats? Pirates?