10:18pm: Heyman reports that Kimbrel’s name has “at least surfaced” in talks with the Yankees, but New York’s reluctance to part with any of Aaron Judge, Luis Severino, Greg Bird and Jorge Mateo would need to change before anything could ever come to fruition. As Heyman notes, the Yankees are checking on nearly all available pitchers, so it’s tough to gauge how much significance to place on the fact that his name has been kicked around.
9:41pm: The Nationals are the team that is “hottest” after Kimbrel, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets.
9:43am:Ā The Nationals, Blue Jays and Astros are among the teams to have shown interest in Padres closer Craig Kimbrel, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. The Astros, though, are concerned with the financial commitment that comes along with Kimbrel in the future, he adds.
While many would think the same should hold true of the Blue Jays, it should beĀ pointedĀ out that Toronto can potentially see Mark Buehrle, R.A. Dickey, Dioner Navarro, Marco Estrada and Maicer Izturis depart as free agents this offseason. Additionally, they’ll finally be freed from the burden of the ill-fated Ricky Romero contract this winter. That means more than $50MM will come off their books.
Of course, some of those departures will be offset by a significant increase to Russell Martin’s salary on his backloaded contract ($7MM in 2015, $15MM in 2016) and arbitration raises to players such as Josh Donaldson, Drew Hutchison and Justin Smoak, among others. (Donaldson’s raise, in particular, willĀ be substantial.) Kimbrel’s remaining $3.49MM salaryĀ in 2015 would fit into the Blue Jays’ reported $5-8MM in-season spending limitations, though such a move would also limit GM Alex Anthopoulos’ ability to address the rotation, which is reportedly his focus.
The inclusion of the Nationals is a bit peculiar at first glance, given Drew Storen’s excellent 2015 season, but the team has had some bullpen issues beyond Storen. And, as the Royals made abundantly clear in 2014, a deep bullpen isĀ a notable advantage in the postseason. Over the weekend, ESPN’s Jayson Stark speculated this weekend that the Nats could make a play for Kimbrel.
As for the Astros, GM Jeff Luhnow has stated that he’d like to add a flamethrowerĀ to his bullpen if an upgrade is made, and Kimbrel’sĀ average fastball velocity is 97.4 mph, so he’d certainly fit that description. His four-year contract’s guaranteed salaries escalate in 2016-17, however. Kimbrel is earning $9MM this year, but that jumps to $11MM in 2016 and $13MM in 2017. He’s also guaranteed at least $1MM via the buyout of his $13MM club option for the 2018 season.
Kimbrel got off to a rough start to his Padres tenure, surrendering 10 earned runs (partially on the strength of three homers) through his first 15 2/3 innings. Since May 19, though, he hasn’t allowed a single homer, and he’s reeled off a 0.76 ERA with a 32-to-10 K/BB ratio in 23 2/3 innings. Recent reports have indicated that the Padres are “pushing” to move some of their big-name, expensive assets.
RunDMC
Kimbrel in a Nats uni. Kill me now. C’mon TOR/HOU!
chrism-2
As a Braves fan, PLEASE not the Nationals!
coleham
Maybe the Cubs will get him.
Patrick Beliveau
If Toronto could get a starter or 2 with Kimbrel, i’d make a deal. There are quite a few upside parts on the farm, though they are mostly in the lower levels which might make sense to San Diego after unloading their farm last offseason
Math&Baseball
If you’re asking for Kimbrel and Ross it starts at Stroman. Trading Kimbrel and Ross separately nets more quantity trading them elsewhere individually. If Blue Jays want both it’ll be based on quality.
NoRegretzkys
There’s no way that AA gives up Stroman for anything. Well, maybe Sonny Gray. Not for a marginal SP and an expensive closer.
Math&Baseball
Then they can afford either Ross or Kimbrel. Not both.
Both have more than 1 year control and Kimbrel is an elite closer while Ross is a great #3 / decent #2
Trading Kimbrel and Riss in separate deals nets at least 6 good prospects.
Trading both to 1 team won’t net them 6 so you better amp up the quality of the ones you do trade in 1 deal.
Joe McMahon
I agree that they would cost quite a lot, but I disagree that the Jays don’t have enough without Stroman. Hoffman and Norris, even Osuna, are all extremely highly regarded young pitchers. If the Jays offered Hoffman and Norris in a package for Ross and Kimbrel, Preller would have them on the next flight out. Then again, I doubt the Jays would.
Math&Baseball
If the Padres traded Ross to the Astros that would bet them 1 of Moran or Fisher and a guy like Hader plus another piece.
Astros have depth in pitching and outfield
If they trade Kimbrel to the Nats they can easily get Aj Cole and Difo plus another.
The Nats are also stocked in pitching.
Kimbrel and Ross for Moran/Fisher, Hader, Aj Cole, Difo, and whatever else they acquire fills more team needs than a Blue Jays trade does.
Joe McMahon
Are we talking about a different Tyson Ross? He is in no way a marginal SP. He’s very good.
Math&Baseball
His splits say otherwise. Great at home decent/good on the road away from Petco.
He’s a great #3 but to be a great #2 you gotta be good/great at home good on the road. A lot of his bad outings have come on the road since he became a padre.
bdoo
well this year Ross home/away splits are pretty outrageous.
Home: 4.47 era.
Away: 2.69 era.
take what you want with that.
theo2016
So a half season sample or his whole career.
RedRooster
His fortunes have changed. Now he’s just as good on the road and he hasn’t given up a single home run since like April. Stop trying to use the PETCO excuse on our pitchers or you aren’t getting any of them.
YourDaddy
Ross has a 3.53 ERA on the road as a Padre starter. That ranks 24th in MLB. Makes him a great #2.
John Lazzaro
Yeah that’s pretty good
RedRooster
You did NOT just call Tyson Ross “marginal.” Come on now, dude was an All Star in 2014!
YourDaddy
Ross is arguably a top ten starter in baseball and there is no argument about the fact that he is in the top 20. Can’t say the same about Stroman. In fact you cant say Stroman is a pitcher at all right now since he is out for the year. There is absolutely no argument about fact Kimbrel is the best closer in the game.
Mark 20
Ross a top 10 pitcher? Are you insane? Bias at its worst.
scissormetimbers
If he wasn’t going to give up Stroman for cueto he’s not going to do it for Ross and Kimberl
Draven Moss
Ross and Kimbrel have a lot more value than Cueto, I hope you realize that. Both of those guys are controllable pieces. Regardless, the Blue Jays aren’t gonna trade Stroman, and there is certainly a deal to be made without him. It’d probably be something like Norris, Hoffman, and Pompey for Ross and Kimbrel.
NoRegretzkys
I don’t know much about Ross. Kimbrel would solidify the back of the bullpen, maybe would put Sanchez back in the rotation, but Toronto still needs that ace calibre pitcher.
Los Calcetines Rojos
so true, a ross kimbrel trade would net some high value prospects more due to their control and their potential. You know you get a stud closer with kimmbrel and ross is a young controllable pitcher who shows massive potential. you don’t get that without giving something up. Jays may be smarter to trade for someone like shark and focus in on kimbrel in a one for one
Joe McMahon
Lol, Ross is waaaaaay more valuable than Cueto. He might not be an ace, but he’s a very solid #2 locked in for 2.5 more years. That’s extremely valuable.
Bob M.
We can call Ross a #2 when he throws 200 innings or more for two years.
bdoo
Looking at the Blue Jays starting rotation he is easily #2 possibly their ace. His GB rate is pretty high at 63% and that plays perfect since toronto is a hitters park.
YourDaddy
Ross threw 195.2 innings in his first full season as a starter and is on pace for 210 this season. He has an ERA and FIP as a starter in the to ten in MLB for the Padres.
bluejaymatt 2
What about a package of Ross (or Cashner) plus Kimbrel and Gyorko? Gyorko has negative value right now, Toronto could take his contract to reduce the value of prospects they have to send. The package then starts with Devon Travis but how much else would San Diego want?
thecoffinnail
If they are saying that Toronto could barely afford Kimbrel let alone adding Ross to the deal, how are they going to afford all 3?
Joe McMahon
The Blue Jays can’t afford that. Multiple reports estimate that they only have $5-8M to spend at the deadline this year.
bluejaymatt 2
Kimbrel is $9.3M, Cashner at $4M and Gyorko at $2M in 2015. Total of $15.3M but there’s less than half the season left so you’re only on the hook for about $7M. Toronto can afford it but then the payroll is maxed out,
thecoffinnail
I don’t know.. If the Padres sent Kimbrel and Ross and also picked up a bunch of salary I could see Stroman being the return.. As everyone else seems to think I would agree that Hoffman and Norris are more likely to be the pieces that San Diego gets back.. I could see them kicking in Venable to sweeten the pot for Toronto as well as substituting Cashner for Ross..
YourDaddy
Stroman is hurt, wont pitch this season, and has not proven he is even as good as Ross.
voodoo
stroman is UNTOUCHABLE
Bob M.
Its funny how youre getting down voted. Aaron Sanchez, Daniel Norris, Pompey and maybe 2 more prospects could get Ross and Kimbrel. Im sure fans think that is unheard of as well.
As this article pointed out there is money opening up for the Jays. What they should do is trade the above package for Cole Hamels and ask the Phillies to eat 30 million dollars. Bautista and EE are going to hit free agency very soon, and the Jays wont be able to afford those contracts. They dont need to fiddling with paying a closer ridiculous money and paying for 3 years of Ross who hasnt thrown 200 innings once. They need the established arm.
JD.
That’s way way too much to give up. Plus Cole Hamels won’t waive his no trade clause for Toronto. If he would he would have been a Jay last month. Try and keep up.
Bob M.
he would waive his no trade, if he is told he will get traded to the Rangers and wont be able to force a team to pick up his option year.
NoRegretzkys
I agree, Shields or Ross should be their targets also. Who would you offer for Shields and Kimbrel though, assuming Toronto takes on all their salary? Stroman is untouchable, but Norris and Hoffman might be a good place to start.
thecoffinnail
If Toronto takes Shields’s entire contract I don’t think Norris and Hoffman would be included.. I could see one of them and several lesser pieces.. More than likely Hoffman over Norris.. Even though I think Norris would fit in better with San Diego..
YourDaddy
Padres are looking to win sooner than later. Low A prospects wont get the job done.
marinest21 2
Hey AJ, since we have a gaping hole at SS, I heard the Nats have a kid named Trea Turner who is pretty good….oh, wait.
Martin H.
His biggest regret!
theo2016
Yasmani grandal…
Bob M.
I think ownership pushed the win now thing. But Turner ticked up this year. Im sure they were banging their heads on the table every at bat he took for them this year.
MB923
Lol. Just read the article saying they asked the Nats for Turner once again when the Nats asked for Kimbrel.
Los Calcetines Rojos
i really don’t see the jays making a trade for a sd pitcher and kimbrel. That prospect package would be well out of what aa has been willing to spend in the past. I believe they could go after kimbrel but in terms of a sp i could see someone like shark going to them who imo has more value in terms of immediate talent over ross right now. comes down to what aa prefers i guess
Patrick Beliveau
The rumor going around and reported earlier on MLBTR was that the White Sox were looking for 4 solid young pieces for Shark. Thats a lot to give up for a rental, even if those guys are out of the top 10 of your farm system.
NoRegretzkys
Shark is a rental. Jays don’t want that. They need to look at the standings and wake up. They aren’t contenders, if anything they should stand pat with what they have, or sell what little they can. They are a .500 team, one pitcher will not make them a playoff team this year. There are 60 games left, and they are what…like 6 games behind the Yankees? Any trades will be for controllable pitchers that they won’t lose for nothing at the end of the year.
scissormetimbers
The only thing they could sell is buherle and he probably doesn’t return more than the comp pick
thecoffinnail
I doubt they offer Buehrle a QO..
JD.
I actual believe they will and should. First off Buehrle has put up decent numbers in Toronto. Second he’s a great club house guy which ups his value. Third he’s not coming back to Toronto so very likely not to accept. . Let’s not forget that he’s been here three years already and refused to move his family north.
scissormetimbers
our bullpens the reason we’re not winning this division. Having stability now with Osuna and Sanchez, plus whatever they add will make a huge difference down he stretch. I’ll settle for a wildcard spot, which is realistic right now and hope they can play themselves back into a division race
thecoffinnail
They are in the best shape to contend this year.. They are only an A-Rod/Tex injury away from the division.. Plus, how likely do you think it will be that the Red Sox don’t fix their rotation this off season and run away with the division next year?
marinest21 2
Without question it is a lot to give for a rental. But this is still 27 July and sellers can be quite picky and demanding. It’ll be interesting to see what happens as we get closer to Friday’s deadline. Odds are sellers will lower their asking price and buyers will get a bit more desperate. If/when they find that consensus between those two moving spectrums (aka coming to a trade) should make for a VERY exciting week.
thecoffinnail
Exactly.. The Sox are gonna want back pretty much what they gave up for him.. He is arguably a bit more valuable at the deadline than in preseason but his stats last year were better than this year so I don’t know..
Los Calcetines Rojos
@thecoffinnail i agree completely. He could either get 4 prospects and one of those be a top guy or get 2-3 guys where one is really a lotto pick at this time such as pentecost. I mean really sox will most likely get a few high profile guys that have been performing but It would be a head scratcher to see someone like sanchez or norris in a deal like this. Highest they get name wise I’d say is pompey or pentecost but thats the ceiling
Los Calcetines Rojos
yeah, but that may be due diligence to see which guys they aren’t as strong on. sometimes when you ask for 3-4 you come away with one and thats better than nothing
thecoffinnail
Agreed on all of your points, Hawk..
Bob M.
Id imagine the Astros are more concerned with the left handed options in their pen. Im sure they are asking on Kimbrel to see how the Pads value players in their system. But the Astros are in desperate need for a high strike out lefty.
gdogg
I am so tired hearing about the Blue Jays budget. Rogers can afford it them crying the blues is just being cheap. Give me a break. They spent $50 million on a new coach for the Maple Leafs.
Mark 20
If I was AA I would go to Preller with a proposal of Hoffman, Pentecost, Pompey and a low level tier prospect for Casher, Kimbrel and 5m.
YourDaddy
Blue Jays cant afford Kimbrel. They have $4-5 million of payroll flexibility and closer is not their area of greatest need.
MB923
Pitching of any kind is a priority for the Jays.
go_jays_go
Hereās what people are missing about the Blue Jays:
In the traditional sense of buying vs selling, the Blue Jays have never been a āreal buyerā or a āreal sellerā for the past decade. The right move is to sell.
Deal Mark Buehrle for a B-prospect. That will send a clear message the players (and fanbase) that the Blue Jays are sellers. Then deal Bautista + Encarnacion for real prospects. Overall, the Blue Jays should be able to secure 3 – 5 *legitimate* prospects, some of which should be at the AA / AAA level.
In the offseason, the Blue Jays should then re-explore the idea of acquiring Carrasco, Fiers, Cashner, Ross, etc.
Kiss 2015 goodbye, but these moves will position the franchise for the long-term success, which is something that has been neglected for a very long time. It will also likely mean that AA will be fired (contract not renewed)
Bob Smiley
the Yankees are comical…jokesters.
Matt Galvin
If the Yankees were to make any of those people available it would before like Hamels.
Nats get Kimbrel,Ross,Revere
Phil’s get Goodwin,Middlebrooks and others
Padres get Ruf,Taylor,Cole and others
MB923
First place with a 7 game lead and the 2nd best record in the AL. A big trade isn’t necessary for a very good team (this year) with a growing but average farm.
MB923
Doesn’t make sense for the Yankees to trade top prospects for a player they don’t even need. If it was for in something of in need like a SP such as Hamels, that’s a different story
I think they should build a package starting with Severino however. I believe I read the Phillies asked for a package starting with Judge Or Severino. If I’m the Yankees I’d try to do it with Severino, but whatever.
redsfanman
Teams shouldn’t waste their resources on Kimbrel with Chapman available. If you’re giving up big prospects for a closer you might as well aim for the best.
MB923
I think the Reds seem to be asking more for Chapman than the Padres are for Kimbrel. And Chapman is a FA at the end of the year I believe whereas Kimbrel is controlled through 2017
You can also make a strong argument that Kimbrel is in fact the best.
Padres want to trade Kimbrel and Shields to get rid of $ so I think there asking price for prospects is lower than the Reds asking price for Chapman, despite that Chapman (maybe) is only a 2 month rental. I mean I can definitely be wrong, but I read the Reds won’t trade Chapman unless the offer is big.
theo2016
Chapman is controlled next year thru arb.
MB923
Ahhh. Thank you sir.
Rex_Chestington
I think the Jays, Padres and Nats should sit down and hammer out a deal that has Kimbrel going to Washington and Storen to Toronto. Fill in the rest of the blanks.
Martin H.
God I wish Padres can take back Turner as a piece for Kimbrel. But it would never happen :(.
SS is like the hardest thing to find at these days… Don’t know why Preller gave up Turner for injury prone Myers.
dunbarbw
What puzzled me almost as much as the Nats getting Turner was the fact the Pads ended up chipping in Joe Ross. Dudes had some big starts for the Nats and hasn’t disappointed.
coleham
We will give you Starlin Castro straight up for Kimbrel.
citizen
Maybe the braves can take a flyer on Kimbrel.
willi
Braves Fans will have a Heart Attack when Killer Kimbrel strikeouts all of Atlanta’s AAAA Hitters.
John Lazzaro
For as much as I’d love Kimbrel on the Yankees there’s no way I’d give up any of these prospects. Just way too much for a guy who pitches 1 inning for the most part.
MB923
They can give up Mateo if they are comfortable with DiDi long term. Seems that’s not the case though.
Daniel 22
Hope AJP is smarter than to deal Kimbrel to NY for any of their over-hyped prospects……They are all marginally ranked and even that rank is blown up by the media
bluelotus
NATS will land Kimbrel and Chapman ~ no one is safe from Roark to Ross to Storen to Burris to Dilfo et al #7/8/9
Franl Edwardo
if i am a GM with an Okay Rotation, i am targeting both Chapman and Kimbrel. I keep deals for both as quiet as possible, and hopefully announce them both with in minuted of each other. Imagine the Dodgers getting them both. Jansen, Kimbrell and Chapman. How do you beat them if they lead after 6?
bluelotus
Agreed, I said same exact thing for NATS ~ one is a rental and one is a keeper.