11:45pm: Agent Scott Boras adamantly denied that anything is wrong with Gomez from a health standpoint. Via Rosenthal (Twitter links): “Carlos Gomez has never seen a hip doctor and has never had a hip issue in his playing career. Anyone who suggests that is inaccurate and baldly misrepresenting the truth of the player’s condition.”
11:17pm: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that it was actually the Mets who backed out of the deal due to concerns over Gomez’s hip. Andy Martino of the New York Daily News also hears that Wheeler’s elbow was not the issue (Twitter links).
11:13pm: Tonight’s near-trade of Carlos Gomez to the Mets in exchange for Zack Wheeler and Wilmer Flores has fallen through, and Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports (via Twitter) that Milwaukee’s concerns regarding Wheeler’s medicals caused the deal to collapse. The Brewers, though, are still planning to trade Gomez by Friday’s trade deadline, Nightengale adds.
Wheeler, of course, had Tommy John surgery this spring, so it stands to reason that the Brewers weren’t comfortable with his progress (or perhaps the lack thereof) since the operation in March. By multiple media accounts, the names in the trades were agreed upon, though there was no official announcement of the deal from either club.
Mets GM Sandy Alderson said following tonight’s game that a trade “will not transpire,” so it seems that if Gomez is to be traded, it will be to a team other than the Mets — the organization that originally signed him back in 2002.
Gomez should still hold widespread appeal around the league, as he’s earning $8MM in 2015 and has a more-than-reasonable $9MM salary for the 2016 season. Among contending clubs, the Orioles, Astros, Pirates and Giants have all been linked to outfield upgrades over the past few weeks. The Angels, too, have been in the market for an outfield upgrade, though they’ve added three new players this week (Shane Victorino, David Murphy and David DeJesus), so they’re likely out of the mix for outfielders at this time.
And, while the trade ultimately won’t be pushed across the finish line, it does speak to the Mets’ willingness to deal from their current big league roster in order to upgrade the offense. Flores has been a regular contributor to the team in 2015, though they do have internal replacements including Ruben Tejada, Dilson Herrera and Matt Reynolds. A report from Yahoo’s Jeff Passan earlier in the night also mentioned that Juan Lagares’ name had come up as a potential piece for the Brewers t acquire, further demonstrating a willingness on Alderson’s behalf get creative in order to augment his offense. The Mets have also been prominently connected to names such as Justin Upton, Jay Bruce and Gomez’s Milwaukee teammate, Gerardo Parra.
Dave 41
The fact that the names were agreed upon just speaks to how terrible of a GM Doug Melvin has become. Mets would’ve committed highway robbery if the deal went through.
MeowMeow
Names are generally agreed on before medicals go through…
Dave 41
i know that, but the Wheeler and Flores for Gomez deal itself was bad for the Brewers.
jamesa-2
That very much depends on what one thinks of Wheeler’s future.
jsc1968
No way, it would have been a steal for the Brewers, glad Mets came to their senses and nixed it. Shouldn’t have happened in the 1st place. Only problem was Brewers leaked before everything was finalized.
And I liked Carlos when he was with us the 1st time, now he’s got that ugly attitude. Stay away!
seamaholic 2
Got nothing to do with Melvin. I can basically guarantee that the leak that caused all the fuss came from the NYC side.
seldomused
That’s actually not true.
hojostache
Melvin reported told Gomez before it was a done deal….that was a problem.
heisenberg58
Not quite, dude. Gomez has a serious hip injury. Mets nixed the deal.
Dave 41
Serious hip injury?? Get real. He’s been playing at full strength for awhile now. He’s only missed one game since June 23. And that was a scheduled day off. Mets are upset the Brewers nixed the deal over Wheeler’s medicals so they blamed Gomez’s medicals
East Coast Bias
But all the reporters that are paid to report on these things are saying the opposite. Why should we believe you over them? Do you have any proof, or even any credibility?
AaronAngst
By “all of the reporters” you mean Ken Rosenthal, and not Bob Nightengale, whom reported the opposite? There is some damage control going on here.
hojostache
Hip injuries typically effect: SB, power, and range.
2012-2015
SB:…37, 40, 34, 7 (stolen bases)
ISO:… .202, .222, .193, .161 (isolated power)
PwrSpd: 25.1, 30.0, 27.4, 7.5 (uses HR & SB in formula)
UZR: 6.9, 27.2, 7.0, 4.1
So….yeah, I’m guessing his hip(s) are impacting his play.
allthingsninja
Serious hip injury? LOL
So you’re telling me that the Mets were tracking Gomez for weeks, and then were going hard after him today, had a deal in place, and then at the very last second pulled out because they discovered he has a hip injury (which he doesn’t)? Basically you’re admitting that the Mets front office is completely clueless. If he was actually dealing with a “serious hip injury”, wouldn’t a halfway-decent front office have done their due diligence and researched that weeks ago?
The New York spin machine is in full effect.
NoAZPhilsPhan 2
Just exactly how would they do their “due diligence” considering medical information cannot be shared between clubs unless a trade is agreed upon per the CBA. Once the trade is agreed upon medical records are then shared and it would be at that time that any injury, examinations or treatments would come to light.
NoAZPhilsPhan 2
I cannot edit so I will clarify my statement here. They would not know the extent of his known hip “injury, examinations or treatments” without the medical records. This hip ailment was well documented in the press. He underwent an MRI on June 16 for his hip despite what the always truthful and honest Scott Boras says.
Yankeedynasty
Not true 3 trays layer
Dave 41
I hope the Brewers can find a better offer out there.
heisenberg58
They will not.
Gomez has a hip injury that the Brewers tried to slip by the Mets. Good luck trading him. LOL.
Dave 41
Yeah right. More like the Mets tried to slip their Tommy John pitcher by the Brewers. LOL
East Coast Bias
What? It isn’t a secret that Wheeler had Tommy John surgery. You can’t “slip” an injury if everyone knows about it.
The Brewers were okay dealing for Wheeler because they will not be competitive in the short term anyway. By the time Wheeler recovers and has a chance to realize his potential, the Brewers would perhaps start to be competitive again.
hojostache
There are plenty of data out there that support recovery from TJ surgery. I’d hazard to guess that the #’s are FAR better than hip surgery.
refugee
Wheeler and Flores would have been a nice return for Gomez…the Brewers return for Gomez just decreased with hip-gate being revealed.
seldomused
There are reports coming out now that the Mets nixed it due to concern over Gomez’ hip issue. This is a media circus.
heisenberg58
Yep. It’s Gomez who is damaged goods and not Wheeler.
allthingsninja
“The guy playing every single day in CF is damaged goods, not the guy a year away from pitching again while rehabbing from TJ surgery.”
You’re on fire right now heisenberg58. Stick to cooking meth.
cookiemonster
lagares needs tommy john and is playing everyday… don’t follow the logic that players don’t play hurt…
allthingsninja
I didn’t say players don’t play hurt. I said Carlos Gomez isn’t playing hurt.
bobbleheadguru
So what will it take to get Cespedes. How about BOTH Cespedes and Price and something else for one of the big 4?
bruinsfan94 2
Why? Those guys are free agents in two months…
bobbleheadguru
There is this thing that some teams like to do:
PLAYOFFS.
bruinsfan94 2
So you give up an ace thats under control for five years and is very cheap for an ace for two months and a hitter for two months. Some teams like to do a little thing called:
PLAN FOR THE FUTURE
hojostache
Sandy is already on record saying he isn’t traded any of the Big 4. A rental is even more unlikely than a controlled player.
MeowMeow
Man, the Mets can’t even trade correctly
jcqiv
Dude get it together.
Mets backed out not brewers
seamaholic 2
Doubt it. Gomez has no physical issues and the Mets haven’t had time to do any new imaging. This is all because of Wheeler’s elbow.
heisenberg58
Then why are all the news reports coming out that it’s Gomez’s hip and not Wheelers’ elbow. We all know that pitchers nowadays come back stronger from TJS, especially the young ones like Wheeler.
drewm
Because Mets.
seldomused
Seriously guys, Mets!
Matt Galvin
Royals?
Astros?
Pirates?
Cardinals?
jamesa-2
Does anyone there actually have a clue what is going on. This entire scenario has been one long comedy/tragedy of errors.
seamaholic 2
Yes. Mets org leaked the trade too early. Brewers didn’t like Wheeler’s medicals. Mets didn’t like the Brewers not liking Wheeler’s medicals, so make up a story about Gomez.
bruinsfan94 2
At least your not speculating too much….
hojostache
Gomez’s hips were already a known issue, though the extent of the injury was not known. Back in May it was “inflammation” and he missed a couple of days (or more?). I believe Gomez even tweeted about it so….
Jay Sanders
Typical Mets. Watch Gomez tear it up and stay off the DL for the next year and a half.
Mcgrupp81
Ironic that there were all those Tulo to the Mets rumors and concerns over his hip and now it’s Gomez’s hip that prevents an actual trade.
AaronAngst
What is more likely: The Brewers looking at Wheeler’s medicals and second-guessing a deal that would send a Gold Glove, All Star-caliber player for a Tommy John patient and a gloveless replacement-level infielder without a position, OR: Gomez having a real medical concern in his hip?
woodhead1986
The Brewers agreed to take a guy coming off TJ, which was publicly documented as well as Flores, who they must think highly of. Its not like the Mets said “Surprise, wheeler has a balky elbow!” The Brewers knew who and what they were getting, its clear that The Mets did not.
AaronAngst
There’s a difference between knowing a guy had Tommy John, and actually taking a look at his medicals.
arianborova
It was the Brewers that tried to slip a hip injury past the Mets. Obviously, the Mets were sending a TJ victim but the Brewers at least knew about it.
Novak
Take a second to google Gomez injury and the fifth and sixth articles are about Gomez’s injuries from April and then the hip injury from early June. Not really slipping it past them when it’s been reported on already.
The Mets apparently don’t like the look of it, even though he’s only missed one (scheduled off day) game since late June – and is slashing .250/.379/.444 (.829 OPS) in July.
bobbleheadguru
Cespedes may now be the focus.
mrtplush
So the Mets are trying to trade a guy still a year from playing due to injury, but get concerned about a hip that is not effecting a guys ability to play every day? This thing just continues to get more and more strange.
woodhead1986
how? Gomez would be acquired to help win NOW for a team in contention. The Brewers are dead, they can afford to wait and get Wheeler healthy and hopefully contributing for years to come, even if that means he wont pitch til the middle of 2016. Thats not the hard part to grasp.
bostonarmy
Didn’t Mike Napoli have a hip condition back in 2012? He still helped Boston win a championship, bad hip and all.
cookiemonster
he has a hip condition for life, hence no more catching.
uhoh22
Cardinals make a package to get Gomez/Lind. Get it done!
John Mozeliak
Exactly what I was thinking. The bats of Gomez and Lind would be a huge boost. Plus Grichuk in Left, Gomez in Center, and Heyward in Right is a solid outfield defense.
shaneredsfan 2
I’d take Wheeler and Flores for Bruce.
mrkinsm
What are the Reds going to do with Flores? BP isn’t waiving his no-trade clause.
drewm
Stupid cancerous Mets. Does this look like a guy with a bum hip?
m.mlb.com/video/topic/31521824/v308788683/milsf-go…
seldomused
Oh, totes bro. Cancerous Mets. You nailed it. smg.
seldomused
*smh
pretentious
What really happened: Doug Melvin found out that Wheeler was injured after agreeing to the trade.
craigcounsellhitsbombs
I came back to these forums to post on this thread and I’m sad that I did. This site used to be a great place for baseball discussion but this thread looks like a bunch of ESPN fanboys fighting over who’s team is better.
This whole trade is a mess and it’s clear that no one knows what happened yet so why don’t we all calm down and stop pointing fingers?
Gomez has played every game except one since June 23rd and has been running, diving, and sliding all over the diamond during that time. I highly doubt that there’s an underlying hip issue.
However, it’s totally in the Mets power to look at medicals from last month and show concern about a guy they’re trading away some serious talent for to perform in the now.
It’s not shady or dirty. It’s just a trade that fell through as I’m sure lots of deals do on a daily basis in July.
I think the real problem here is that the trade got out and the market for Gomez is probably now destroyed until at least the offseason. He could have been a spark plug for a contending team and a real difference maker. Now, he may not get the chance to help a team make the playoffs and beyond because of some media frenzy that should have never leaked.
As a baseball fan, I’m disappointed this trade fell through.
Dock_Elvis
This site typically isn’t so ludicrous….it’s the time of year I believe we see fan boy tourists. Lots of regulars have drawn issue with trolls and general commenting protocol. Some is what’s being revealed working the kinks out of the new system. There are some doozies for sure…just keep coming back and I believe you’ll see it calm down after the trade season.
drewm
People have opinions, be happy for them and for baseball. It’s the trade season, everyone is a little crazy.
Dock_Elvis
I don’t think most have issue with opinions…but there’s been some harshness that’s not typical of this site, and its been driven by those that are likely here for a short time. A little like going to your favorite restaurant on St. Patrick’s Day. Just boisterous. But the administrators of the site know it and have been altering moderation and uo down votes. It’s all good.
nleininger
and the Astros were stupid to question Aiken’s medicals. Moreover, Kemp and Feliz for Gomez.
thebuccosjanitor
Wheelers arm for cargos hip and flores tears?
Matt Galvin
Maybe redo Trade and like also KROD goes back and Mets send back Montero,Ninmo and others. I see lots of Trades today and Twitter lighting up.
Larry David's Joe Pepitone Jersey
I can’t see a Mets/Brewers trade happening thanks to this fiasco.
In fact, I would have to say that I don’t see the Mets making a different trade either at this point, unless Alderson gets creative or returns to a player that wasn’t really on their radar previously.
mike156
Lots of speculation that seems to be driven by which side gets to their favored media outposts first. I’d like to know the truth.
Dock_Elvis
Makes me wonder if there’s some bad juju between the teams. Perhaps the Brewers balked at Wheeler, so in turn the Mets drew issue with Gomez’s alleged hip concern. Ifcso…it’s spite and could damage the Brewers ability to deal him in deadline time
jmdjr1966
As I stated early, Gomez could have an injury (this was before I read today’s NY Post). Now we know Gomez is playing with an injury leading to his lack of playing time and his production. Boras is an ass. He knows Gomez is injured and is trying to keep Gomez’ value up. His lack of steals and limited at bats this year proves their is an injury there. Mets were giving up way too much for him. If this was the Gomez of last year then I say it was a good deal. Flores for Gomez straight up is a fair deal. Flores is younger with a good upside. Going to a sand box in Milwaukee where he can play second base for a team in dire need of a major league quality second basemen would greatly benefit Flores and the Brewers. While the Mets get a guy, if healthy, is pretty good.
jmdjr1966
Now that Flores wants to remain a Met, let’s see him produce. Prove your worth. This was be the catalyst he needs to jump starts his bat.
If the Brewers think very highly of Wheeler that they want to trade for him, even though injured, then I say hang him out there and package him with Nimmo or Montero and get a better outfielder than Gomez. The Mets sorely need a power right handed bat to protect Duda. I’ll take Cespedes, the only guy available now who fills this need.
If I were the Mets I would do this deal: Wheeler and a prospect for Cespedes.
Another deal I would do is with the Reds. The Mets need a lefty in the pen. I go for Chapman and Brandon Phillips and trade the Reds Murphy (keeping Flores at short and replacing him late in games (they are winning) with Tejada for better defense) and Montero. The Mets have a wealth of prospects and major league ready talent to trade.
they can get anyone they desire that is available. Niese, Murphy, Flores, Montero, Wheeler are proven major leaguers that can be packaged with prospects.
tom21
Y’all need to chill out, this deal was trouble from the beginning both of the high value players have injuries. Y’all Brewers fans have no idea how good Zach Wheeler is, you would have gotten a high value player for a hot head who isn’t performing this year. With that said Y’all need to take a chill because the stuff that the Mets were going to give up would have made this trade a steal for the Brewers so you fans of the Brewers should be mad not happy!
JordanSwingman
All I got from reading these comments is that apparently Carlos Gomez cannot have an injury.
This comment section sucks. From the lack of features to the people that love speculating speculation.
Backatitagain
Great News! The Braves can make the same deal. Send a young pitcher recovering from TJ surgery (Mike Minor) and a budding shortstop/infielder (Daniel Castro) to the Brewers for Carlos Gomez. Throw in replacement MLB veterans in the deal (Jonny Gomes and Chris Johnson).
davbee
Minor is nowhere close to Wheeler, so this must be a joke post.
twentypitchesofterror
According to Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the trade broke off because of money. It sounds like the Mets didn’t want to pay all of Gomez’s $9 million salary next year, so they asked that the Brewers take Juan Lagares, and when they said no, demanded the Brewers 2016 competitive balance pick, to which the Brewers also said no. Then the Mets nixed the trade due to “concern over Gomez’s medical records”.