The struggling Reds are hosting this year’s All-Star Game, but the possibility of bad P.R. shouldn’t prevent them from dismissing manager Bryan Price, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports writes. Rosenthal notes that owner Bob Castellini likes Price and Jocketty and is wary of an upheaval before the break. But the Reds have played poorly lately, and Price’s occasional bursts of odd behavior (including an infamous profane tirade against the media a few weeks ago) raise questions about whether he’s well suited for the job. The organization has third base coach Jim Riggleman, Triple-A manager Delino DeShields and perhaps roving instructor Barry Larkin as potential replacements. Here’s more from the National League.
- The Mets have lots of talented young pitching and the Cubs have terrific young position players, and MLB.com’s Jim Duquette proposes several trades the two clubs might make. By far the wildest one (and one Duquette fully acknowledges is vanishingly unlikely) is Matt Harvey for Kris Bryant. The Mets and Cubs’ respective fan bases have pinned their hopes heavily on those two players, so such a trade would be nearly impossible, but it’s fun to think about. The sense here is that the Mets would easily be getting the better of such a deal — Bryant’s bat is rare, to put it mildly, and Harvey is three years closer to free agency and probably also more of an injury risk.
- Carlos Frias’ poor performance Sunday shows why the Dodgers are likely to pursue outside starting pitching help, Anthony Witrado of ESPN Los Angeles writes. Frias gave up ten runs, including two homers, over four innings against the Padres, more than doubling his ERA. Frias did pitch reasonably well in four starts before that, but there’s no doubt the Dodgers’ rotation situation is somewhat uncomfortable, due to injuries to Hyun-jin Ryu and Brandon McCarthy.
- The Padres haven’t performed as well as they’ve hoped, but Justin Upton has been terrific, and the team needs to do everything it can to keep him, Matt Calkins of the San Diego Union-Tribune writes. The Padres’ new ownership did well to open its wallet last winter, but it must continue to show it’s serious about winning. Of course, keeping Upton won’t be easy to do — Upton currently tops MLBTR’s 2015-2016 Free Agent Power Rankings.
- Cardinals lefty Marco Gonzales will miss a start with Triple-A Memphis on Monday with pectoral muscle tightness, Jenifer Langosch of MLB.com writes. Gonzales dealt with the same injury earlier this season. Gonzales hasn’t yet pitched in the big-leagues this season, but as Langosch points out, he’s a key part of the Cardinals’ rotation depth, especially given Adam Wainwright’s absence.
Anti-Citizen One
Ugh Im sick of hearing of Met-Cub rumors. Cubs want to fleece the Mets of their pitching, Mets want to fleece the Cubs of their bats. Wake me when a trade happens. Personally I rather the Mets talk to the Brewers or Dodgers but Brewers may be more realistic
Trock
I agree completely. Of course everyone thinks and knows they really are a match made in heaven but im pretty sick of hearing it over and over.
scann
Russell for Degrom…..
Ryan D
No thank you.
scann
How about Castro for Sydergaard and Matz
Tommets
Waaaaayyyyy too much
oh Hal
Sarcasm maybe?
jasonpen
Ummm. No. Castro is a 3 time all-star and is on pace to soar past 3000 hits. The guy is a key piece to team chemistry as well. The pitching staff is fine. We’ll just sign one of the 4 aces available next year. Probably David Price.
MattHollidaysForearms
Seriously dude? Who cares about awards. It’s about value, and the Cubs would win that deal by a landslide.
You can have all the chemistry, hit clubs, and all star selections in the world, I’ll take the better value.
jasonpen
It’s not better value. I’d rather have Castro + Price, than just Syndergaard.
Syndergaard hasn’t even been up a month and you think he’s worthy of being traded for an allstar SS that is on pace to put up hall of fame numbers…
Like it or not, Castro is on pace for well over 3,000 hits.
I saw a stat where at a cetain age recently, only 5 players had more career hits, and they were all hall of famers. Castro is in damn good company.
MattHollidaysForearms
Why can’t you have Syndergaard + Price?
the term ‘all-star’ means nothing to me, I couldn’t care less about Castro’s fan votes.
rich 3
Castro with the negative WAR, the most overrated player in baseball I don’t care how many hits he has. And he won’t sniff 3,000 by the way he is already peaked as a player and has slowed noticeably at a young age. He’s their third best SS lol.
jury_rigger
Finally, someone sees Castro for who he is. Can’t believe how Cubs fans overrate him.
Tommy2cat 2
Nope. Thor & Matz untouchable.
Jose_Who
Not for the right bat, they’re not. Matz for Russell would be fair.
jury_rigger
Castro is terrible, he has a negative WAR this season.
TheMick
Please enough of the HOF talk when referring to a 25 year old player that has a career 98 OPS+ and is over 2,000 hits away from 3,000. So much can happen between now and the end of his career to keep him from staying on that “pace”.
Mary Jane
on pace does not mean anything. A trade with the Mets will give them a pitcher for way less money and controllable years. But if your Cubs want to waste money on a pitcher that probably won’t live up to his contract, then let the Cubs do it.
Jose_Who
Oh lord no…
paqza
Fidel Castro wouldn’t be worth Syndergaard and Matz.
Tommy2cat 2
Respectfully decline. Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, Matz & Thor in 2016.
paqza
That with d’Arnaud/Duda/Flores/Cecchini/Wright in the infield and Herrera/Lagares/Grandy in the outfield would look pretty good on paper.
Larry D.
Cubs are more likely to move Castro than Russell but Javier Baez is the prospect likely to be dealt.
willi
Cause nobody wants Strikeout Monster , they have their own !
jasonpen
Mike Trout also struggled his first time up. Guys that never have any competition in the minors sometimes don’t listen to coaches because they’re always told how great they are. The jump to the MLB from AAA is huge, and most of the time players need that slap in the face to wake up and listen to instruction.
Baez has been demolishing AAA by the way. He’ll be up in a month and Bryant will move to LF. Either that, or Baez will be traded in a package for Hamels… Not a low level Met’s scrub.
DavidL
Mike Trout K/AB ratio in his first call up was 24%. Baez was 45% last season. I’ve never seen anything like that. I imagine that’d take him off many teams’ trade list.
Starlin Castro has a negative BWAR again. He’s owed a lot of money. I can’t see any team being very interested in him either.
David McKenzie
Baez has changed his stance and adjusted his approach. His K rate in AAA is now at roughly 21% with a walk-rate at nearly 10%. He’s been working counts ridiculously well lately and with that will come strikeouts–he’ll be a 20-25% strikeout guy, but he will also be a .330-.340 OBP guy and a .270-.290 Batting Average guy–he’ll also hit 25-30 HR’s. The kid was 21 years old—and if you say you havent seen a K rate like his from last year then you haven’t looked hard enough–plently of quality-HOF type players that came up and struggled dramatically–Schmidt, Ryno, Rizzo, Trout, etc, etc, etc….he was 21—just now 22—he is currently younger than everyone on the Cubs roster but Russell—he’ll be a stud for years…Castro is getting dealt
TheMick
Baez for Hamels straight up…another comedian. Just what the Phils need, another strikeout machine.
Maybe you should just wait for Price. You make signing him sound so easy…like no one else will be competing for his services. Just because he played for Maddon doesn’t make it a done deal that Price will be a Cub next year.
BenRoethig
Exactly right. For many players, their first go around in the majors is a wake up call. Anthony Rizzo in his first 153 PAs with the Padres: 1.41 and 30% strikeout rate. He’s made adjustments and is now hitting .316 with a 13% strike out percentage.
This year at Iowa, Javy has made adjustments is hitting at a much higher average, a lower 25% strikeout rate, and his power hasn’t gone anywhere. He’s been known to have a pretty phenomenal work ethic, so I’m not worried yet. Give him the Rizzo plan and a half a season back at AAA. If he doesn’t resort back to bad habits, bring him up or trade him for a major player.
TIMMIAY
How about don’t make a trade and sign Desmond in the offseason. Can’t always think about now.
Rotation 2016:
Harvey
Degrom
Wheeler
Syndergaard
Matz
Niese
Gee
Depth just in case someone gets hurt.
Brixton G.
Because they want to try to win this year?
MattHollidaysForearms
And because a trade ensures you actually get the guy, instead of him going to another team.
Steven Garrison
I think the yankees sign desmond
paqza
Desmond makes very little sense for the Mets. He’s cratering before our eyes and he’s going to get a huge contract. Flores is outperforming him right now, actually, and has much better K-rates. And then you factor in age and salary.
Draven Moss
This is worse than the Castro trade. DeGrom is an established starter who is cost-controlled and a potentional Cy-Young candidate. If the Cubs could land him by simply trading Russell, they’d be getting a steal. Some Cubs fans mightn’t agree, but that’s alright.
paqza
I think Russell for deGrom would work well for both teams, frankly. The Cubs wind up with Arrieta/Lester/deGrom/Hamels and the Mets acquire their SS of the Future™ for a 27 year-old on his 2nd UCL.
Tommets
Castro or Russell for Matz, Plawecki, and Molina or Montero.
jasonpen
Um. No.
Cubbiejack
Montero are you crazy?? And Molina yea got the wrong team….
TIMMIAY
He meant marcus molina. But yeah mets would never do that.
oh Hal
What Price has been doing may be unusual, but using the word odd makes it sound as if its irrational in some way. I don’t think MLBTR wants a complete discussion of the subject, but I find honesty and outspokenness to some of the actions of the media and umpiring is refreshing. It will probably doom him though.
Shane Flannagan
For the one millionth time National Media and Mets fans, the Cubs will not be trading any of these younger players. Its not happening, so can we all stop please fantasying about it. I mean will the Mets trade Degrom for Castro? That’s what its going to take and they wont do that. Bryant, Russell, Schwarber aren’t going anywhere.
Tommets
So they’re just gonna have 6 major league middle infielders?
Shane Flannagan
No, Bryant is going to LF, Schwarber behind the plate, Russell with be at SS, Castro I think moves to 3rd, while Baez goes to 2nd. All works out. Just need Baez to start being more patient hitter
scann
Who’s going too pitch Mark Pryor…..
Shane Flannagan
Its called free agency. Free Agent pitching class next offseason is stacked. Going to be getting one them most likely Price or Zimmerman
Tommets
They’re not going to be able to sign one of those guys along with having Lester and keep all those young guys long term.
Shane Flannagan
How? Its the Cubs, we have money. Tons of it. TV deal coming up in 2 years also. Got plenty of money
oh Hal
I’m not a Cubs fan and I’d say they can and will. The young guys are cheap for a few years. But when does that strategy ever work? Its pretty rare.
Clark's Pants
The Cubs haven’t spent for the last several years and they’ve made several mentions that they weren’t going to stop spending with Lester. I agree with Shane. Zimmerman or Price will be on the Cubs next year. Book it.
scann
No way the Cubs can give Price the 200mil he wants….
Shane Flannagan
Don’t think he gets that much, but yes the Cubs could. Come on, Cubs aren’t like the Mets that are broke
paqza
Exactly. The Cubs can pay any salary in baseball.
Clark's Pants
Think about it… The Cubs have Lester for the next 5 years and Montero for 2 but they don’t have any other giant multi year contracts left. Castro and Rizzo are on team friendly deals and Hammel and Edwin Jackson will be on their last year. The benefits of having a young team is having an affordable team.
oh Hal
Why not? I’m a fan of an opposing team. I’d say not only can they, but its been the plan all along. Its high risk though.
willi
Phils are in on Zimmerman !
paqza
As a Mets fan, I couldn’t be happier if they sign him.
paqza
Or Cueto, if his arm’s okay. The Cubs would get to keep their pick that way.
willi
True, that what I said this is a Strategy until July,two or three will be moved !
Cubbiejack
Coming into this offseason the Cubs had enough cash to sighn Lester and sherzer. They held off on sherzer to sighn somewon this offseason
paqza
The Cubs have plenty of money. They’ll have no problems paying guys. They could ramp up right up against the luxury tax at whim.
jasonpen
Lester and Arrieta seem to be a great 1-2 so far…
The young roster is affordable too. So much so that another ace will be signed next off season. Most likely reuniting Price and Maddon…
scann
A trade for Hamels is more likely then signing Price….
GoFish
Is there a guarantee Schwarber stays behind the plate? I’ve heard he has a lot of work to do back there and may be an OF in the future. In that case, they can move Soler, the strikeout wonder.
Shane Flannagan
Schwarber is going to be behind the plate. I’m in Indiana and I watched him play at IU about 10 times and he is not as bad as people make him to be behind the plate.
scann
Does he know how too call a game and handle pitching staff’s…..
Shane Flannagan
Yes he does, been doing just fine at AA this season. I mean he’s never going to win a gold glove not saying that, But he will be solid and the bat has a chance to be Posey good
MattHollidaysForearms
I am going to defer to scouts take on Schwarber, and they don’t ring as positively as your eye test.
paqza
Posey can play defense. Schwarber doesn’t.
willi
I saw him too, really doesn’t impress as Starting Catcher at the next Level
Shane Flannagan
You obviously haven’t watched him. Numbers pretty similar to Bryant’s at AA.
Ryan D
I think he meant defensively as a catcher.
paqza
He hits a ton. He won’t stick behind the dish.
jasonpen
Rumor is the mlbpa will be pressing hard for a DH in 2016… Another top dollar contract on 15 more teams, and less SP injuries…
Cubs are prepared. Schwarber would be up already if he just had to hit. The guy can rake.
DavidL
The current agreement runs through 2016 and the DH isn’t likely to be addressed outside of a new agreement. If they agree on a DH it won’t come in immediately. That’d give a huge advantage to high spending teams who can go out and sign a DH through free agency and to those teams that already have a DH type. So a DH likely won’t go in before 2018.
paqza
Soler’s tremendous. He’d look great in a Mets uniform. He’s got Puigian upside.
willi
Patience is taught in the Minors, Production is needed in MLB.
MattHollidaysForearms
I’m not sure if Schwarber can play back there. Time will tell obviously, but I think he might be the headliner for a significant trade (if there is one to be made).
Shane Flannagan
Schwarber isn’t going anywhere.
MattHollidaysForearms
Can I have the lottery numbers too?
Shane Flannagan
No, just know the Cubs wont ever be trading Rizzo, Bryant, Russell, and Schwarber.
MattHollidaysForearms
How did you get this information?
jasonpen
It’s common knowledge.
MattHollidaysForearms
Among you and nobody else?
TheMick
You’re on a roll dude. You have a lot of access for a fan. I mean you must since you know all the moves that will and won’t happen with the Cubs.
On top of that you’re putting a 25 years old SS with a negative WAR in the HOF. Is it Castro’s 7 XBH’s this year that you find so impressive or his 5:1 K/BB ratio?
Cubbiejack
Not a terrible idea but they could move shwarber to left and deal Baez. Baez is great trade bait.
oh Hal
I read it as the fanbase wants to win trades big.
willi
Watch come July , They move two possible three of these players .
Shane Flannagan
No way it happens, guarantee it. Biggest guy I can see them trading for is like Kazmir on the A’s and Papelbon on the Phillies. Wont cost any of them big prospects.
DavidL
Papelbon is 11 for 11 in save opportunities. He has 23 strikeouts and 4 walks in 18 innings. The Phillies have been holding him this long because they won’t accept mediocre prospects. The Cubs would be smart to look elsewhere if they don’t want to give up anything.
paqza
The Phillies will take anything useful. There’s no way Papelbon is bringing back one of the guys we’ve been talking about here. Hamels could. But not Papelbon. Heck, Giles would probably bring back more than Papelbon.
Ryan D
They’ll move one at most…and it won’t be Bryant, Russell, and probably not Schwarber either.
TIMMIAY
How about Mets and Rays make a trade.
Mets:
Plawecki
Murphy
Rays:
McGee
Willy Adams
scann
Willy is too far from the majors…..
Tommets
They’re trying to get an MLB ready SS.
MattHollidaysForearms
That would be the least Rays like deal in a while. They traded for Rene Rivera this last winter, and love his receiving/framing. Adames was a significant piece in the Price deal, they love him. McGee has 3 more years of team control at pretty low prices (considering how low his save totals are and how poorly compensated relievers are without saves), and Adames is a legitimate prospect.
They get Plawecki and a free agent to be? They’re too smart for that monkey business.
paqza
I like McGee but I’d rather get deJesus coming back. The package would need to be improved accordingly.
JordanSwingman
See the Mets won’t make this trade not because it doesn’t make sense, but because that isn’t how Sandy Alderson makes deals. I’m sure he is trying his best to keep all the good young pitchers, yet get solid deals for guys like Gee, Murphy, and Niese. Sandy doesn’t trade his big guns, though. He usually plays a hot hand, so if Colon gets back on track he could be a fit for say, the Dodgers. Colon/? for Rollins/?. Those would perk my interests more.
Tommets
I really hope they don’t trade Murphy especially with Wright’s condition.
JordanSwingman
Well it depends on who you get back. For instance, if the Dodgers were willing to give up Rollins/Uribe for Montero/Murphy/Plawecki? I would be fine with that. I don’t think the Dodgers are that interested in moving Uribe, because he’s a great clubhouse guy for that team.
oh Hal
I’m spacing on the name of the Dodgers SS prospect, but is he ready and are they willing to use him in a playoff run?
Regarding Uribe, they have too many 3B and reading Friedman seems like pure guessing.
Tommets
Seager
treday
No chance Seager gets moved. He’s knocking on the door of the MLB club, and the more Rollins struggles, the louder that knock gets. I’d be a little surprised if he doesn’t see some MLB action by the end of the year
paqza
The Mets also have multiple 3B. Wright is hurt but they’ve got Murphy and Flores on the current 25-man and Reynolds down in Vegas.
MattHollidaysForearms
The Dodgers would absolutely love that deal. Trading two pending free agents for 6 years of Plawecki and Montero? That’s a no-brainer. They could just slide Turner to 3B with Murphy, Plawecki could set in the minors until Ellis becomes an FA this off season, and Montero could be an option for them start right now.
DavidL
Uribe is very close to being released. He’s been that bad. When the Phillies traded Rollins to the Dodgers he renegotiated his contract to include a no trade clause to 28 teams. The Dodgers can only trade him back to the Phillies without his permission. Rollins won’t agree to another trade.
JordanSwingman
Look, I like Plawecki, I really want him to succeed, but he is just not as good as d’Arnaud. Injuries aside, d’Arnaud is just more polished in every aspect. Not saying Plawecki isn’t going to improve on his weaknesses, such as a lack of command of the running game, but he can’t live off the fact d’Arnaud will have freak injuries happen to him every year like this.
paqza
Rollins/Uribe offer nothing to the 2015 Mets.
JordanSwingman
I know Flores has been putting up reasonable defensive stats at SS, especially compared to guys that are “better” than him at the position, but he is really truly a 2B. Uribe and Rollins would bring something the Mets’ clubhouse lacks – veterans who have won championships and can expect more from down the playoff stretch. I’m sorry, but they aren’t going to win with their current infield mashup, there needs to be better options to not only play the positions, but lead the clubhouse and hit off the bench and in clutch situations. As much as I’d hope they’re current team could do that, they are just not capable of that yet.
paqza
Veteran leadership is great and all but Uribe and Rollins aren’t good at baseball at this point. That’s pretty much what it comes down to. Flores is better than both of them; he’s playing adequate defense and tied for most homers among shortstops. At some point, the nonsense needs to stop.
JordanSwingman
That’s great about Flores, but I think the nonsence is the lineups and bench the Mets have right now. It’s just not trust-worthy enough at this point, or when (or if) Wright returns, to compete for a Wild Card let alone the division. The Mets are literally a B+ version of the Nationals, put the right pieces in on the bench and they’re neck and neck.
paqza
I don’t think Uribe or Rollins are looking to ride the pine for the Mets, either. If the Mets were to acquire someone from the Dodgers, they should be looking at Van Slyke.
willi
Time is Now , get nothing come July !
oh Hal
I think you’re right that Alderson doesn’t want to let go of premium prospects. i’ll bet he ends up with a good glove, light bat guy and its probably smart. But hoping for Rollins for Colon is dreaming.
JordanSwingman
I think I am too, but a team like the Dodgers are close to desperate when it comes to starters. I’m thinking that for Rollins the Mets would have to give up Montero realistically.
Sleeper
A Montero-Rollins deal isn’t being very realistic. Personally, I would think it’d be hard for Rollins to be moved because while he’s had a lot of career success, he’s had a pretty bad year to this point.
JordanSwingman
So what would be reasonable for him based off his 2015 statistics to this point that the Mets would offer up?
Sleeper
Well, that’s why I said it’d be hard to trade him, assessing his value isn’t an easy thing to do as things are. If the Dodgers were to be shopping him right now, they’d be doing so while his stock is down. He’s had enough career success that it’s not out of the question he turns it back around, but he’s also at an age where trading away an intriguing prospect to gamble on that just seems to be too big a risk. I would assume that the Dodgers would want pitching back, which the Mets have in all different tiers of performance, but he couldn’t command a Montero-prospect type as things sit.
paqza
The better question is why would the Mets want him?
paqza
Farhandrew is never desperate. The Dodgers have no idea what that word even means. They’ve got tons of money, top prospects, a brilliant front office team, and the most talented 25-man in the sport.
willi
Sandy going to hold all to Arms until another Tommy John Injury to Harvey!
paqza
That makes sense though, doesn’t it? Hold onto as many arms as possible because you know some of them will break.
paqza
ColĂłn’s not going anywhere either. He’s playing a triple role as a pitching mentor, Spanish-speaking clubhouse leader, and innings-eater. Just off the top of my head, deGrom, Harvey, and Familia have raved about how much they have learned from him. And after Beltrán left, the Mets had no Spanish-speaking veteran with leadership qualities. ColĂłn’s had an incredible influence on this team that goes past the numbers.
Gee and Niese are both on the block, though.
JordanSwingman
I don’t disagree with this, in fact I love it and it was a very well educated move my Sandy with the plethora of young Latin arms Omar Miniya brought in. I know LaTroy Hawkins had a big effect of the current bullpen, as did Marlon Byrd on guys like Justin Turner. Point is: you need to have good veterans that can teach young players (which the Mets have) how to be good players, while also contributing. The Mets are lacking in that right now it seems, not to beat down Cuddyer and Granderson, they just seem to lack it for whatever reason.
paqza
If Grandy could hit a bit more and Cuddyer could come anywhere close to what he has been over the past few years, we’d be a lot better off. If we could add a single corner outfielder – anything from a deJesus, a Van Slyke, or even a GĂłmez – the team would look a lot better than it does right now.
scann
Snydergaard or Matz for Baez is the most likeliest trade between Cubs and Mets……
Shane Flannagan
No way Mets do that. I would trade Castro for Degrom, but Mets wouldn’t do that either. Its just not going to happen.
jasonpen
I’d do Baez for Syndergaard, but I think the Cubs wouldn’t pull the trigger on that. You can get pitching in FA… 40 HR talent doesn’t come around very often.
Clark's Pants
There are definitely trades that could be made with the Cubs and Mets but Bryant for Harvey is just so laughable. It’s also funny because the Mets have to say no even though they would win the deal big time.
Shane Flannagan
Ya, lets not even mess with that idea lol. Harvey is going no where and Bryant is going no where forsure
Brixton G.
On paper, its actually a pretty good swap. In reality, its pretty laughable.
ot: What about Marcus Semien and Tyler Clippard for Matz and Montero
Roger 2
(very roughly estimating their arbitration costs) 6.5 years of Bryant at a cost of ~$60 million for 3.5 years of Harvey at ~$30 million? That’s a laughably lopsided trade on paper and reality.
It might be worth considering if their service times were swapped.
MattHollidaysForearms
Ya it’s pretty embarrassing Jim Duquette was once a GM for a major league baseball franchise. It’s a terribly one-sided trade. Even if service times were swapped, I’m still probably taking the hitter over a guy one TJ down already.
paqza
Is this a joke? Marcus Semien would be a downgrade at SS for the Mets; Flores actually plays much better defense. And Matz is a #2 or #3 starting pitcher in the Majors; Tyler Clippard is a decent reliever. This is completely unrealistic and poorly thought out.
scann
With all the pitching the Mets have I think they would say yes to Bryant and drive Harvey too Chicago themselves…..
jasonpen
The Mets would ride that trade to several pennants in a row. Bryant is a once in a lifetime talent. Not kidding.
jasonpen
Even if they gave Harvey + Syndergaard, the Mets would still win. There are probably 2 or 3 players worth more than Bryant right now.
Trout, Goldschmidt, and maybe, just maybe Stanton.
Tommets
Dude you gotta chill. Trout, Stanton, Miggy, Cutch, Goldy, Harper and others are better.
jasonpen
I understand that you didn’t read my comment thoroughly, but I never said better… I said worth more…
Of course Miggy is better, he’s on pace to be the best righ handed hitter of all time, or at least in the conversation. But he’s old and he has a huge contract. Bryant is 23 and under team control for 6+ years… Bryant has a Miggy type ceiling, only the Cubs will have him for 6 years of his prime.
McCutch is great too. Just older, that’s all.
The Pirates would trade McCutch for Bryant in a heartbeat. The Diamondbacks wouldn’t trade Goldy and the Angels won’t trade Trout… That’s where I was going with that.
paqza
Miggy’s not even the best active right-handed hitter. He’s easily behind both A-Rod and Pujols at this point. Also, I think you’re not giving guys like Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Honus Wagner, Mike Schmidt, Frank Robinson, Jimmie Foxx, etc, enough credit.
And there’s no way the Pirates would trade Cutch for Bryant, because Cutch represents Bryant’s absolute ceiling offensively without even considering the fact that Cutch plays a much, much harder position well and runs the bases better.
scann
You forgot Harper…
jasonpen
Nah. I wouldn’t trade Bryant for Harper. The Cubs’ wouldn’t either. He has started off well this year, but in previous years he has struggled to hit lefties and seems to be a diva. Bryant’s ceiling is to be the best player in baseball… He may never get there, but that is truly his ceiling.
scann
Harper is 9 months younger than Bryant and already has 3 going on 4 years of mlb experience…..Harper has a better chance to be the best player in baseball…..
jasonpen
They’ve been saying that since he was 16…
Still not there yet bud
stl_cards16
Maybe you should go look up Bryce Harper. He’s in the midst of the greatest month we’ve seen since Barry Bonds. That doesn’t happen by accident.
TheRealRyan 2
What are you talking about? Harper has been the best player in MLB this season and is still only 22 years old.
NL_East_Rivalry
Harper has less years on his current deal right now though. He said worth more not better
MattHollidaysForearms
Now that’s a little bit too much for me. Harper is the most productive player in baseball right now, he’s younger than Bryant, and while he has weaknesses, so does Bryant.
Control obviously plays a big role in this, but given equal control and cost, you take Harper every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
edgardoalfonzo
This truly proves you’re just a homer and completely overvalue everyone. I’m a Mets fan. If you wouldn’t trade Bryant for Harper you’re clinically insane.
paqza
The Cubs would trade Bryant for Harper in half a second.
paqza
Harper’s already the best player in the NL. And he’s younger than Bryant.
stl_cards16
No, he’s not. He could be a great player, he’s not a generational talent. Mike Trout is a once in a lifetime talent.
caughtredhanded
Price was great as pitching coach, but I’ve never been really sold on him as manager. I don’t really love him or hate him as manager. I would love to see Larkin as manager, but I believe he said fairly recently that he wasn’t looking to do that just yet.
CascadianAbroad
We’re in a pitching-dominated era and value can be had via free agency or low-cost trades. The Cubs have plenty of extraneous position players in the system (Vogelbach, Torres, McKinney, Jimenez, Zagunis, etc.) that the MLB-ready guys (Bryant, Russell, etc.) or the other top prospects (Schwarber, Almora, etc.) don’t need to be included to get value back in a trade for pitching.
Tommy2cat 2
Jim Duquette traded Scott Kazmir. Therein lies the beginning and the end of that man’s baseball acumen. When he opens his mouth, he kind of resembles Homer Simpson.
Vandals Took The Handles
Kind of silly to get on a guy over one trade.
Mark D
Agreed, Billy Beane traded Addison Russell and Carlos Gonzalez – GMs are allowed a couple of bad ones as long as there more good ones.
Tommy2cat 2
Please… not even close… I merely mentioned his finest hour. His body of work is atrocious, and since then listening to him has been an exploration of ignorance.
Chris March
I don’t see the Mets as a match. Harvey, deGrom & Syndergaard are locks for their rotation. I can’t see any of them being traded unless either Bryant/Russell are coming to NY. The other top prospect pitchers are 2+ years away from being ready for the bigs. Cubs are ready to compete now.
What the Cubs should do? Sign David Price this off season. It won’t cost the big prospects like it would to get a guy like Cole Hamels. If they trade for somebody, trade for Samardzija. He’s clearly not coming back to the Sox. Cubs made Baez & Vogelbach available, so I figure the Sox would make that trade if offered to them. Melky Cabrera could also be included in a deal with the Cubs. The Cubs need a LF until Schwarber is ready, so they don’t have to rush him.
Lester, Samardzija, Arrieta, Hammel & Wada would be the SP’s for the rest of 2015.
Price, Samardzija, Lester, Arrieta & Hammel/Hendricks/Edwards/Wada (pick one for #5) would be a solid rotation as they come for 2016.
Fowler/Cabrera/Bryant/Rizzo/Castro/Montero/Soler/SP/Russell lineup would be a strong lineup for this year and next.
Chris March
The Mets will get Alexei Ramirez for SS. The Sox will be sellers at the deadline. That hurts me just to type that as a Sox fan.
Vandals Took The Handles
Mets-Cubs trade arguments are closing the gap on the Hamels-to-the-Red-Sox trade arguments.
Steven Garrison
I don’t think the red sox will budge on getting hamels because the phillies want swihart or betts as the main piece, and boston already said no, then that could lead to as e-rod or owens as the main piece. I give hamels 1 or 2 more starts then the dodgers or cubs will be in a bidding war for him.
JimBaily
Why would the Dodgers even go after Hamels, that’s not what they need.
Steven Garrison
I think they will take a look at him due to the injuries of the rotation and having insurance because I have greinke opting out of his contract, just look at the year he is having almost a cy young type year. I think he will test the market.
JimBaily
It seems to me that they will pursue a bat or two before draining whatever they have left to get a guy like Hamels.
Steven Garrison
I think the dodgers have enough offense
Steven Garrison
I give Hamels 1 or 2 more starts and I think the dodgers and Cubs will be in a bidding war for him.
JimBaily
What you’re seeing with Hamels is closer to the opposite of a bidding war and it’s doubtful that trend will reverse. It’s the Phils that are dropping their demands, not the other way around.
Steven Garrison
Didn’t they say they were willing to eat some of the contract?
JimBaily
Yes, but there’s still no sign of a bidding war brewing. I think if the Cubs could get Hamel cheap they’d be in, otherwise they are more likely to go the FA route.
Steven Garrison
If their going to eat some of the contract, the cubs could easily make a play for him, the contract would be more affordable then trying to sign david price, jordan zimmermann or johnny cueto. And Amaro would prolly ask for Schwarber as the main piece, who knows
JimBaily
I see the more likely scenario being the Cubs looking for a couple solid bullpen pieces and perhaps a high OBP type and going after SP in offseason, but who knows? To me, the Cubs are at least a year away and are a very incomplete team so giving up a lot of their primary asset for a SP right now doesn’t make the most sense and I think Theo will hols to his original plan.
Of course I have no idea what he’s thinking and am just taking a guess at what I think he will see as a logical long term solution to a 100 year old drought.
Steven Garrison
they are playing great baseball right now but who knows what the cubs will do, and where will hamels land or do the phillies just hold on to him because amaro won’t lower the price on him
DavidL
Hamels dominated the Rockies in Denver and a Nationals team that had averaged 7 runs a game for the previous two weeks. You don’t usually lower your asking price when your player keeps getting better.
Steven Garrison
He is doing just that but a team won’t budge because they value their prospects way too much. But I think if they get 1 top 5 prospect in the teams system then others, It gets the deal done.
DavidL
The Phillies aren’t looking for 1 of a team’s top 5 prospects in a deal. They want a player who is top 30 overall, another who is top 100, and a couple of other players. A package led by someone who isn’t in the top 100 won’t get it done.
petrie000
that is indeed what the Phillies want.
And why Hamels went the entire off-season without being traded.
The Phillies can’t get what nobody’s going to offer them because Johnny Cueto can be had for less if a team needs a rental and David Price, Jordan Zimmermann or Cueto can be bought next off-season for not much in AAV than Hamels.
willi
No so , they have the Proven, All-Star ,Playoff, World Series pitcher!
willi
Every Week those Clubs Lose Games that they could have Won with Hamels , Pay the price and Win Now or regret it in October, then it’s couldn’t ,shouldn’t time !
paqza
Where the Dodgers are on the win curve, they really don’t need Hamels. A lesser guy can get it done for a lot cheaper. A Kazmir or Niese, for example. The Cubs can wait. They’re doing just fine right now. They have no need to force a trade at this moment.
jury_rigger
Even worse is the Castro/Russell for Syndergaard and Montero proposal. I would laugh and hang up quickly on that if I’m Mets management. Castro is one of the most overrated players in the game, and he even has a negative WAR this season.
Rob Lucci
At this point Mets should just call it a year and wait till the Winter meeting for any trades.
paqza
What’s the logic behind that? They’re in the thick of it a third into the season, and are playing down 2 of their 3 best hitters. They’ve done well enough so far.
TheMick
Urias + for Hamels. The Dodgers will have Kershaw, Greinke and Hamels to make runs with for the next 4-5 years as I expect the Dodgers to extend Greinke. You have to give value to get value and the Dodgers are in win now mode more than any team in baseball. Could they get by with a lesser pitcher like Kazmir…sure, but they want to win a WS and no one will help solidify that rotation more than Hamels. After Urias, 4 of the Dodgers top 10 prospects are pitchers per BBA. They should have reinforcements when they need them, but right now they need a stud SP to help them win a WS.
Pitchers of Hamels pedigree are not easy to get, not to mention he’s on a team friendly contract that runs through his age 34 season with an option for his age 35 season. There’s very little, if any dead money there as Hamels keeps himself in excellent shape. Considering his out pitch is a change up and he’s not a flame thrower Hamels is less likely to get hurt than a hard thrower or someone whose out pitch is a hard slider or other breaking ball.
Steven Garrison
I like this situation, but I think Greinke opts out and test the market. He is having a cy young type year. I say Urias or Seager plus others gets it done for hamels.
TheMick
I agree Greinke tests the market. I just believe the Dodgers won’t be outbid for him. Kershaw, Greinke & Hamels would be an awesome trio for the next 4-5 years. Another strong aspect of having these 3 pitchers anchor the rotation is they make 30+ starts year in and year out.
Steven Garrison
I agree to that, but Greinke I think he does leave the dodgers and possibly the Cubs do make a bid on him. And If the dodgers are going all in for it, Hamels is the best choice for them, There are other cheap options like Harang Kazmir and Mike Leake, but Hamels would put them over the top for the world series, but in my eyes it still won’t be enough for them beating the cards in the post season.
TheMick
Maybe not, but the expectations are so high they can’t stand pat at the deadline. Like you said a Kazmir, Harang, Leake type pitcher helps, but not enough. Hamels may not be enough, but he gives them the best chance this year and for several more years if they can retain Greinke. If they can’t keep him I expect they’ll be in on Cueto, Price or Zimmerman.
Steven Garrison
I think Hamels and Leake would fill the voids, and Greinke it’s possible he does stay but he’s having a cy young type year while kershaw is looking like he’s human not superman, But just saying the cubs will also be looking at cueto price and zimmermann and my dark horse the astros will be looking at those big three.
TheMick
No guarantees in free agency, you’re right about that. It cracks me up how many different fan bases think their team is going to sign Cueto this winter. As far as Kershaw goes yes he looks very human this year, but I still believe he can turn it around at any time. I’m not a Dodger fan but would enjoy seeing Kershaw pitch to his potential in the post season one of these years.
Steven Garrison
Yea only if he can avoid pitching against the cards because they just own him. I’m an angels fan, I wish they could afford Hamels but they don’t have the money, and plus they don’t need pitching right now, they need offense. I said the angels should trade for ben revere to play left, and then for the power lefty bat, adam lind ryan howard or pedro alverez. A lot of people are saying go get CarGo but he’s injury prone , and his crazy contract.
TheMick
Revere’s very under appreciated in Philly. He doesn’t have an arm, but in LF he’s more than adequate. Offensively he’s a good table setter at the top of the lineup. If the Phils are still willing to eat the majority of Howard’s contract he’d look good in a Halo uniform too. He’s having his best month since 2010 and racking up doubles and HR’s while keeping his BA up. I don’t think it would take much to get Howard either.
Steven Garrison
Let’s see right now the angels have a few prospects tearing it up behind the plate, Kubitza but I have him taking over after freese, And Jet Bandy a catcher but if Amaro asked for Bandy in a deal for howard or revere that is way too much, I would include a reliever prospect and somebody on the roster for both.
TheMick
I’m not sure why the Phils are so eager to trade Revere. They don’t have good OF’s at the major league level and no one at AA or AAA projects to be a starting OF. Bandy would be a nice addition for the Phils but I agree they’d have to sweeten the pot to get him.
Steven Garrison
It would but the angels have to think long and hard on that , they have carlos perez up right now who they got in the tropeano and conger deal. So I wonder who will be the catcher of the future, perez or bandy. MS likes defense first catcher I believe.
willi
Houston might be ready then for Big time Bid too, Greinkes Agent knows this Too !
TheMick
I think the Phils would rather have Seager than Urias, but the Dodgers will probably have Seager at SS or 3B next year. If their rotation has Kershaw, Greinke and Hamels at the top Urias becomes more expendable than Seager.
Steven Garrison
Yea with the dodgers having all of that starting pitching, it does make Urias expendable, Seager I do believe will be on the club next year, along with Olivera which he could be up this year, and I think they let kendrick go to test the market, I have him signing with the nationals. But If the phillies could get Urias plus others it would be a good deal, but I do know that the phillies want a catcher in return.
TheMick
The Phils do want and need a catcher of the future, but there’s so few out there. If they can’t get one they have to make the best deal they can. Getting a potential Ace to replace Hamels in a couple year along with some other lesser pieces (Verdugo, Leon) may be the way to go.
If the Phils are willing to take back some money on Hamels it would open up the bidding to other teams that can’t afford him now and get them a better return. That’s what they should do. The Phils are awash in cash. Their new Comcast deal kicks in next year and is massive. Not to mention Lee comes off the books this year and Howard next year.
Steven Garrison
Well I do think the phillies already said they were willing to eat some of Hamels contract and then eat 50 mill of Howards contract unless that has changed, but if the phillies can get a great package if the dodgers end up being the team to get him, Urias Zach Lee a catching prospect who does not get hurt and others for hamels, I can say it’s a win for them, The phillies already have nice young starting pitching in the farm starting with nola.
TheMick
So far Nola looks better than advertised. It’s still early and I don’t believe in getting too hyperbolic over a pitcher with 13 AA starts. Eflin looks like he may turn out to be a decent pitcher in a couple years too. Even Ben Lively has middle of the rotation potential. With all 3 pitchers still in AA they still need more experience. I live just outside Philly and you’d be amazed how many fans think all 3 should be called up now. Nola could probably make the jump and may be up later this year, but Eflin and Lively – no way. AAA’s there for a reason.
Steven Garrison
Yea I don’t think it would be right to call them up to start their clock while the phillies are rebuilding, But if they could pull off a trade with the dodgers to get Urias maybe zach lee and others, then the future would be bright for the phillies rotation. and if they clear out all of howards and hamel’s money, I can see them ahead of schedule on their rebuild. But my want my honest opinion, they should of never gave howard that extension, should of traded him when he still had value and let ruf take over playing first, the rebuild should of started after the game 5 of the 2011 nlds, they got papelbon for no reason , I knew after that game they were going to struggle and it was time for a change, they are about 4 years too late in doing the rebuild
TheMick
No arguments here on them being late on the rebuild. Amaro and Montgomery kept living in the past glory of 2008. It’s over and been over for years. They should have started turning over the roster after the playoff run was done.
Ruf has never been given a chance except in 2013 when Howard got hurt. He wasn’t great but had an OPS over .800 with 14 HR’s in under 300 PA’s. Plays much better defense than Howard too. After that he got buried again and Amaro was bad mouthing him on local radio that offseason saying he’s not a starting caliber player. Even if Amaro’s right, it’s not the kind of thing you say publicly. Since Ruf’s never had any extended playing time after 2013 who knows if he could be a starter? The Phils lineup is weak and completely devoid of power with the exception of Howard.
Steven Garrison
I agree to that, they had a nice run from 2007-2011 but they have to realize that it is time for a change, and Amaro finally realized that this offseason , but also they are stuck with cliff lee and his contract, I say he’s done and he should just retire. They traded most of their future away to the astros in the past. See I kinda put the angels and the phillies in the same category, bad farm systems but dipoto has done a good job trying to rebuild it, after trading away a lot of the future, and the phillies having a bad farm system too, the angels have changed going from a speed/ defense team to a power team, they still have the pitching motto though.
TheMick
I hate to put it this way, but Montgomery getting sick is the reason the Phils elevated Gillick to team President – which has been a blessing for the Phils. He’s the man who made the call on the rebuild while Amaro kept trying to patch the Phils up with band aids.
The Phils need a baseball man to run the organization. Montgomery came from the business side of the front office and allowed Amaro carte blanche to do what he wanted. Gillick put an end to that and is now the defacto GM.
The only reason Lee hasn’t retired yet is to get the remainder of the 25MM he’s owed this year plus the 12.5MM buyout next year. I expect he’ll retire then. He needed surgery last year and wouldn’t go for it. Torn muscles and ligaments don’t heal themselves with rest.
TheMick
Uh oh…my last reply is getting hung up by the MLBTR. May be a good time to get my day started. Thanks very much for the back n forth. I love talking baseball with intelligent fans. Enjoy the holiday Steve.
Steven Garrison
no problem you too
willi
Money not the Issue ,missing the Big Picture , Phils have some Quality MLB Players that the Dodgers and other teams covet.If Cuteo goes down for any legnth of time , Clubs who want to Really make it to the World Series will Pay !
paqza
Ăšrias is a Mexican lefty doing amazing things at a very young age. The Dodgers know that. They’re not trading him. They know their history (Fernandomania).
willi
Pitching Wins,as the saying Goes they can Fill at 3rd Base until some other Prospect make the Jump, If they don’t win this year they start over again in offseason and Don Mattently Ninth Lives finally run out !
paqza
The Phillies would be happy with either. That said, they’ve got Franco at 3B and Crawford coming up to play SS. So it could be argued that Ăšrias would be a better fit. He’s not going anywhere, though. The Dodgers know that having a Mexican lefty in their rotation moving forward would be huge from a marketing standpoint (think Valenzuela).
willi
I Agree , the Dodgers Management Knows this too, that’s they been talking about Hamels since the End of Last year, Greinke Walks Out , Hamels in , For the Phillies price.
BlueSkyLA
If Hamels’ contract is under market, it doesn’t make a trade for him any easier for the Dodgers. In reality, it makes it quite a bit harder, as the Phillies would demand more talent in trade. The Dodgers would prefer to spend money than give up talent.
willi
So would Phillies, they have Plenty of Money, they need Good Quality Prospects who Must have better than 75% Chance of Being Good Solid MLB Players.
willi
Keep Urias, Phillies want SS, then Plus 2 more Pitchers.
Mark D
The crazy thing about the Cubs is that they have Schwarber, McKinney and Vogelbach dominating in the minors right now – those are the 3 pieces they should be looking to trade, as McKinney isn’t going to unseat Soler and Vogelbach isn’t going to play 1B for the Cubs either. There’s talk of Schwarber moving from C to LF which could work, but he’s still catching as of now. I think those are the pieces they could use in trades, I’m not sure I’ve seen 3 better blocked prospects than those three before.
Tommets
Matz, Syndergaard and Plawecki say hi.
Steven Garrison
The cubs and mets are perfect trade partners on paper but I don’t think either one of them will budge and make the trade
Tommets
I agree, but I was talking about when he said he’s never seen 3 better block prospects than those three before. Syndergaard is ranked higher than those guys after comes Schwarber then Plawecki and Matz follow behind not too shortly. Also, Nimmo and Herrera are right behind those two guys. McKinney and Vogelbach aren’t even top 100
Steven Garrison
And thats why I also believe Tulo is stuck with the rockies. too many injuries and pitching at coors field is a nightmare.
willi
No , for everybody involved its Best he gets moved the sooner the Better, he wants out more than anything. Rockies will settle for Less from Yankees for the salary relief.
paqza
Tulo’s stuck with the Rockies because Monfort will never trade him. He gets emotionally attached to his vets. He personally vetoed a de la Rosa for Eduardo RodrĂguez trade.
Mark D
Those three Mets players aren’t blocked that badly or long though.
Mark D
McKinney & Vogelbach are knocking the cover off the ball right now and should be top 100 by the end of the year.
willi
Not that Good !
willi
Cubs will, they sense a chance at Making History , which for them is just making the postseason. Mets on the other hand have terrible Ownership or they would have done something by now to sure up third base by now !
paqza
I strongly disagree with pretty much everything you typed here. First off, the Mets’ ownership group doesn’t control trades. Alderson & Co. manage that. They only accept/veto free agent signings. It also doesn’t make sense for the Cubs to trade big pieces they can find spots for when they can acquire guys like Arrieta on the cheap and fix them or get guys like Lester with no compensation pick attached. You show a clear misunderstanding of both teams.
willi
Schwarber has little Mobility behind the plate, Doesn’t have speed / Quickness to play outfield. If he can’t make behind the Plate, he can DH in American League someday. The Prince Fielders of the world are Far in Between !
Rob Lucci
Forget any Cubs bat and trade for Todd Fraizer.
paqza
Which team should trade for him? If we’re talking about the Mets, Cozart makes more sense.
CT Cubs Fan
Russell, Schwarber & another top 6-10 prospect for Thor & DeGrom
willi
Phils might do that with one more Good prospect in the Deal for Hamels.
CT Cubs Fan
You’re out of your mind if you think 2 top 25 prospects in baseball and 2 other “good” prospects in one of the best systems is worth Hamels. Russell is a top 5 prospect in baseball and already proving he can handle the big leagues as the youngest player in MLB. Maybe something like Schwarber and another top 10, but that’s the absolute limit if I’m the Cubs.
willi
they will move player if they want SOME PLAYER who can help them Win .
willi
Thats the kind of thinking of a Team that hasn’t been to World Series in Hundred Plus seasons, Sound thinking ?
paqza
That’s pretty much irrelevant. The Red Sox hadn’t won since Ruth and then they won 3 in quick succession.
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