In his latest Inside Baseball column, Jon Heyman of CBS Sports kicks off by discussing Ryan Howard’s increased trade value. Howard is hitting .256/.298/.519 with 10 homers this season, and while the OBP is lackluster, he’s performed particularly well of late, hitting .307/.340/.602 with six homers this month (a .389 BABIP on the month, though, is heavily influencing those numbers). The Phils were willing to pay down $35MM or so of Howard’s remaining contract this offseason, and doing so would make him a roughly $10MM player this season and next. While Heyman notes that might be seen as a fair price, he adds that some scouts and executives will want to see more sustained production before considering a move, which strikes me as more than reasonable; I doubt three weeks of hot hitting have transformed him from albatross into hot commodity. The Orioles, Royals and Rays all discussed Howard with the Phillies this offseason but went different directions, and Heyman looks at those three teams as well as five others in determining if there’s a fit to be made. Howard received 10-and-5 rights on May 2, however, allowing him to veto any deal. And while many reports have indicated it won’t get in the way of a trade, Heyman hears that Howard is happier in Philadelphia now than he was over the winter and wonders if he might require some kind of incentive to waive those rights.
Some more highlights from a lengthy column …
- The Orioles never really came close to reaching an extension with starter Chris Tillman this spring, and talks are on hold at present. The 27-year-old has scuffled early this year with a 5.59 ERA over 48 1/3 innings.
- David Robertson could have taken home even more than the $46MM promised to him by the White Sox, says Heyman, as an unnamed team offered him more this winter. That provides yet more reason to believe that plenty of teams are still willing to pay top dollar for premium relievers.
- While the Tigers are very interested in attempting to retain Yoenis Cespedes beyond the current year, Heyman says that all signs point to him reaching free agency. Detroit can, of course, pursue him on the open market, but sources tell Heyman that Cespedes is unlikely to agree to an extension.
- Likewise, the Tigers don’t appear to have much hope of an extension with ace David Price, and Heyman says they “aren’t overwhelmingly confident” that he’ll be back. Detroit’s front office believes that Price will look to top Max Scherzer’s contract.
- The Astros are sorting through many pitching acquisition possibilities, and Aaron Harang of the Phillies has “at least been discussed” by the club. Fellow Philadelphia starter Cole Hamels may come with too much contract for Houston, but Heyman reports that the club does see Reds free agent-to-be Johnny Cueto as a possibility.
- While Brewers GM Doug Melvin has given signals that he’s ready to sell early, owner Mark Attanasio may prefer the club hold off until at least the upcoming draft. While PR considerations seem to be a factor, that may be the best strategy anyway; the team could still get out ahead of the market, while allowing it to mature somewhat before acting.
- Be sure to check out the piece for more interesting items around the league.
iliekcereal
What would it take for the Astros to get harang?
scann
The Astro’s want Cueto first if they could get him……..
Donnie B
Don’t think the Astros will part with the asking price will be for Cueto as a Rental… They would go after Hamels 1st if they are willing to go “all in” – Harang I doubt lasts until July’s deadline, I bet he goes sooner as his value won’t get higher than it is right now with his 1.98 ERA
scann
But the article says Hamel’s may come with to much contract for them….
Donnie B
Hamels has a great contract, which makes him even more valuable because all these others that will hit the FA market will be getting 200+ Million contracts. Hamels is CHEAP compared to the other choices teams will have to be paying for a Pitcher of his quality.
jb226 2
He does have a good contract, but that doesn’t instantly mean a team wants to pay that contract.
Donnie B
Do you think in terms of prospects needed to get Cueto vs Hamels, its worth it? Cueto won’t come cheap just because he’d be a rental. The Reds would want the same type players that the A’s gave the Cubs for Samardzija and Hammel.
Chris Koch
Cueto would be a 5mil Ace rental roughly vs Hamels costing 12mil to acquire, more than Cueto is making total on the season. Cueto can be acquired by Any team. Hamels can only be acquired by say the 10biggest markets teams. Unless Philly starts throwing cash of 5-10-15mil per year to allow smaller markets to afford him.
Donnie B
You missed the part where I said it will cost any team trading for Cueto at least 2 “A” prospects for just a 2 or 3 month RENTAL. Then what happens next year when you cannot re-sign Cueto? You just lost 2 top prospects for a few months of Cueto. You really think that’s a better deal than trading for Hamels w/ 4 years of a “good” contract for a pitcher of his caliber?
Chris Koch
Yes I did miss that part…where is it I still don’t see 2 “A” prospects for a rental in your posts above. There isn’t even a mention of grades required to get a rental.
Again, Cueto can be afforded by ANY MLB team that wants him. Hamels I’ll guess 12teams TOTAL. Unless the Phillies start eating salary for the entire contract. Will Cueto cost two A prospects? Doubtful. How many A prospects exist currently? 1 makes sense followed by some B grades. One really high ranked A may be all it really takes with C grades then.
If I’m the Reds, I’d be after the Pirates, Taillon+McCuire+Heredia.
Is the trade worth 2months+Playoffs? For the Pirates, and giving themselves worthy WS Starter yeah I think so considering who they’re giving up.
That Value of a contract is going to be a value to 10-12 teams only. How great are those 10-12 teams’ minors?
Matt Garza is making 12.5mil this year and for another 2 years and His contract is being deemed too much? You must live in Philly or a huge market and think 24mil is nothing to team’s payroll. How is just over half Hamels’ contract too much paying for a #3SP? vs paying for a #1 that gives you 0.85better ERA? Looking at paying 11mil more on the season to save roughly 20runs total scored. That’s if Hamels pitching 220innings.
Donnie B
Since last year, ONLY 2 Pitchers have a better ERA than Hamels… and they are Kershaw and Felix Hernandez.
Please don’t ever compare Garza to Hamels.
Or if you are going to, compare all their stats side by side.
Chris Koch
haha removed are replies….I put record team payroll for Milw and it’s gotten us a .333 record…oh wait another loss less than .333
stymeedone
I don’t see where an A prospect is an absolute. As long as the acquiring team offers what Cincinnati considers an upgrade from a compensation pick, they would be better off trading him if they don’t think they will contend and are unable to sign him. A couple of B prospects might do it.
willi
And his potential Inquiry, unnecessary gamble. Why take that risk ?
Chris Koch
Taking on 24mil in a contract is a huge risk for 15-18 Ballclubs. Cueto won’t require that kind of salary now or beyond for those 15-18 teams that can acquire an Ace w/o having to pay an Ace’s salary. Now for the 12-15teams that have no problem paying 24mil a year to a player in salary, sure why now take on Hamels vs Cueto rental? if the cost in prospects will be the same.
Donnie B
All trades and high priced FA’s are risky when dealing with star players and hopeful prospects… Injuries can happen at any day.
willi
Bingo,Organizational Number #3 and 4 , Prospects for four months and 20 Starts.
Chris Koch
Samardzija wasn’t a rental. And he brought back Marcus Semien this offseason pretty fair trade off for losing Russell and gaining Samardzija for a rental time frame.
Chris Koch
How is being paid the 10th most in ALL of MLB cheap? Add 1.5mil and it’s tied for 3rd most?
Donnie B
I said Cheap “COMPARED” to all the other Pitchers of his level that were available before this season started (Scherzer and Lester) and FA’s to be next year (Price, Greinke, Zimmermann, Cueto) He’s easily 4-7 million a year cheaper than those Pitchers are and will be.
Chris Koch
24mil/yr no matter how you spin it, is not “Cheap” 24mil/yr plus loss of a top prospect and a few B-/C+ prospects equals that 25-28mil cost of the FAs to be who don’t cost any A prospects
Donnie B
Try $30 Million a year for 7+ years… And teams can trade a good package of players that are not deemed “untouchable” – Boston can offer a good package and never have to include Betts or Swihart. Cubs can too without Bryant or Russell… Dodgers can without Urias, Seager, Pederson…
Trading for Hamels gets you closer to the playoffs THIS year and come next year, those teams that want Price, Zimmermann, Cueto and Greinke… well… It will be a bidding war with no promise that they come out a winner.
Prospects are just that… Prospects.
Fact is.. over 75% of prospects traded for stars never pan out.
Prime example: Cliff Lee was traded 3 times for 11 “prospects” – and only 1 is just starting to pay off.. Carlos Carrasco. The other 10 were busts. Lee paid off well for the teams he was traded to (Rangers and Phillies both went to the World Series with Lee)
Chris Koch
That’s your belief all those guys will get 7/210mil apparently.
It’s also a one individual example to pull from to justify trading away prospects. The FA loss compensation has changed as well. Rangers got 2 picks in 2011 for Lee, it was easier back then to justify making trades, you got a comp.
Also Mike Trout. He ushered in an era where prospects are far more readily read about by the public/ videos being displayed of prospects than before he emerged on the scene. Prospects today have more video/scouting analysis than before, and we the public chair GMs have more access to such.
Where did you come up with Fact is over 75% of prospects traded for stars never pan out? Are you the Elias Sports bureau with that info to provide or just basing that off of one Cliff Lee?
fighterflea
Kiley McDaniel of Fangraphs did a recent analysis of, if I recall correctly, top 100 prospects over the approximate 2002-2012 time period. It revealed a 30% percent success rate based on prospects having a useful big league career. The survey included the Mike Trout and other successes, the cup of coffee cases, the injured and other wash-outs. Obviously top 25 prospects (throughout all baseball) fared better than the 25-100 prospects,
Chris Koch
So it wouldn’t be over 75% then but 70% in that revelation.
I’d be a little more interested in what the success rate was on AA-AAA top 100 ranked prospects, vs the ones ranked in the top 100 who were drafted in the 1st round within a season or two and ranked mostly based on that? I can look at top 100 rank and go through bottom half. Names that would come by count are: 20. 20 of the bottom 50 via MLB rankings haven’t reached AA and were signed/drafted 2012 or later.
I think Jed Bradley for Milw was ranked in the top 100 the season he was drafted. He’s not once shown over a single month professionally he belongs in a top 100 ranking. He’d be a part of Kiley’s list of failures. That’s on the rankers being dumb to rank him because he was a top 12 pick. Cases like that should be thrown out in the figures.
Chris Koch
Meanwhile just 9 would qualify for that distinction in the top 50. Moncada, Giolito(16th), Crawford(16), Kolek(2), Jackson(6), Gordon(5), Stewart(4), Meadows(9),and Frazier(5)
These are highly ranked due to being a top 10 draft pick and from HS aged.
Not a fan of the rankings a top 100 til a prospect proves it at A Adv and has sights set out for AA soon. Before that, they should just be Honorable mentions for top 100 til then. I’d bet the number changes dramatically for that success rate
stymeedone
Check out the return the Marlins got for Miggy. The only player that panned out for them was Burke Badenhop. After his release Andrew Miller finally developed. Check out the Indians and the Sabathia trade. Brantley took forever to develop, and the rest didn’t pan out.
willi
Thats what I been saying , Clubs over value people because want to believe their own hype it sells better for a number of reasons, mostly trying to convince other organizations that they have really good scouts and GMs, and can’t be wrong about their evaluations of their own talent, Kinda , like grading your own homework !
gorav114
Weird how clubs always have a huge fear their prospect is going to be a super star somewhere else.
stymeedone
Houston can afford it. They don’t have any large contracts currently. It may be a matter of choice, but not affordability. I can’t think of an available “Ace” that would come cheaper (dollar wise).
jbjoyner
As a Astros fan, I do not want Hamels. He is gonna decline as he gets older and you will still be sitting on that contract.
Donnie B
Pitchers like Hamels don’t decline as quick as others, his change-up is one of the best in baseball, and his fastball still averages 94 MPH. His contract is only for 4 years, I don’t see him declining much if at all within his contract time.
Do you have someone else in mind that is an Ace, Younger and Available????
Draven Moss
Given he regresses somewhat, I’d say a couple B-level prospects at the deadline.
scann
The Astros were the team that made Robertson that offer….bet hes mad he didn’t take it now…….
Donnie B
Robertson signed a very good contract, and just because the ChiSox are struggling right now, they have a very bright future and can easily get into playoff contention this year, Its still only May. The Astros can drop just as easy as well…. too early to be regretting contracts, especially when he’s like the 1st or 2nd highest paid closer in the game…
scann
True but it still seem’s as if Robertson didn’t even consider their offer seriously….
Donnie B
He still made the right decision I think. Nobody thought the Astros would be this good this soon, and everyone had the ChiSox as instant contenders after all the moves they made in the off-season (Samardzija / Cabrera / LaRoche) and Robertson to go along with what they had (Sale, Abreu, Rodon)
scann
I think Scherzer may pitch better then Price over the curse of their next contracts…..
Donnie B
“Cursed” with 200 Million+ contracts? If say the Dodgers get Price, Price would pitch in bigger stadiums than Scherzer… You have to factor where they play in it too as well as the talent of that pitcher.
NL_East_Rivalry
He meant course
Donnie B
i know…
bobbleheadguru
What evidence do you have? Scherzer has a violent arm delivery, has been at the top pitcher for a shorter period of time, is older and is a righty.
stymeedone
His delivery was violent when he was in AZ. The Tigers smoothed it out. That’s why he hasn’t had arm issues.
stymeedone
What did the ninth inning say to Max Scherzer? “have we met before?”
scann
Could you imagine how crazy It would be if Howard had the nerve too veto a trade…..
Donnie B
He’s earned the right to Veto any trade…. His wife and her family are from Philly, he has a mansion in Clearwater, FL… and he was born and raised in St Louis.. So unless the trade is to the Rays, Cards or Orioles… he just may veto a trade.
scann
Philly fan’s would hate him for life……
Donnie B
They hate him now… and ever since he got hurt.. so nothing new there.
willi
Not so , I have no problem him taking take of his interests first, Let see what happens.
Phillies_Aces35
Only the ones that don’t understand he isn’t blocking anyone.
Ryan Howard vetoing a trade does nothing to prevent the Phillies rebuild.
NickinIthaca
Seriously…. Amaro has done more to prevent the Phillies rebuild than Howard hypothetically turning down a trade…
Donnie B
agreed.
zpgreen
The Cards are on his no trade clause because even though he is from STL, he doesn’t want to go back. He had a big falling out with his family a few years back.
DavidL
He has a full no trade clause and hasn’t had a no trade list since last season. The Phillies asked him to leave the 9 A.L. teams that they thought would most want Howard off his list and he did that. Thus, the Cardinals were on his no trade list because of the team, not Howard.
CT Cubs Fan
Hey Price! Come join your buddies Maddon & Martinez in Chicago! You’d slot in perfectly in front of Lester, Arrieta, Hammel & Hendricks!
Donnie B
May want to hold off the invite until he becomes a FA.
CT Cubs Fan
I figured that would of been implied..
Donnie B
If the Cubs want to take advantage of the Cards losses of Wainwright and Adams, they would be better off trading for Hamels than waiting to pay Price more than Lester next year for another long contract. Cubs have just as good a chance to land Hamels as Boston does. They want Hamels too.
CT Cubs Fan
I agree, but they’re not trading Russell or Bryant and knowing how Amaro does things, he probably asked for at least one and that’s just laughable. I’d honestly trade Schwarber and CJ Edwards + another top 10 for him and maybe Papelbon. Cubs taking on all $.
Donnie B
Hamels & Papelbon to the Cubs for Schwarber, Edwards, Baez, Wood and Almora.
willi
No ,Hamels is All-Star Pitcher, Phillies don’t want Quantity but Quality !
I WILL FINE HIM
3 Top 10 prospects in one of the best minor league systems and a former top 10 prospect in all of baseball isn’t quality? Lol
stymeedone
TAMPERING!
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Detroit’s front office believes that Price will look to top Max Scherzer‘s contract.
See this is what the problem with Baseball is these days.
Players and Pitchers are worried about Money. They aren’t worried about the best they could be. Do you think Pete Rose was worried about money? No, he was worried about winning! Sure he had other issues, but getting a top contract wasn’t one of them. Tom Seaver? Johnny Bench? Willie Mays? Nolan Ryan? They all had long careers. These guys were worshiped. They are remembered for their play on the field. Not their contract! Max Scherzer is going to be remembered for making an owner pay him when he is 40 something and the owner will be 103!
This is ….. well unacceptable to me! It certainly doesn’t give me joy that is for sure.
NickinIthaca
I know I go to work for the intrinsic value it provides to me – it has nothing to do with getting paid and putting food on my family’s table….
All of the guys you mentioned played the game to get paid. None of them played the game because they wanted to be looked up to. They played it because it was the best way for them to get paid. We as fans need to get over the fact that these guys are overpaid.
Until we start filling stadiums (at $50 dollars a pop, nonetheless) to watch the people who truly deserve to get paid do their jobs (teachers, firemen, soldiers, etc.) we just need to come to grips with the fact that athletes are going to continue to be paid more than we want them to.
DippityDoo
I get your point but I had to giggle that you picked the person banned for life from the game for GAMBLING as the example of if they were worried about money. Yeah I do think he was worried about money, but I do agree, being the best and winning did drive Pete Rose as well.
David Coonce
This. A guy gambling on his own team isn’t concerned with money? A guy who signs a free agent contract with the putrid 1984 Expos wasn’t chasing the dollars?
Roger 2
There is a lot of money pouring into baseball, and the players are the main reason for it.
I see no problem with the stars trying to get their fair share of the pie.
If you want the massive contracts to get smaller, stop giving them loads of money every year.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
It’s also these outrageous TV deals. Then you have silly companies paying an outrageous amount for TV time for their commercials.
The idea of cable TV originally was to pay a premium like a whopping 50 bucks a month so that there were no commercials. Now almost every cable station has commercials. Even the MLB Newtwork has stopped to having Pfizer commercials for their product. I mean kids are watching and it is incomprehensible to me. TV managers have to bring in revenue and they don’t care who it is from as long as they get money to support the cause. These huge contracts put huge amounts of pressure on everyone including the player. and on top of that they are guaranteed contracts, which boggles my mind. Look I am not trying to take food out of anyone’s mouth, but Schezer’s contact is worse than a mortgage. That was just beyond anything that I have ever seen.
scann
You can thank Tom Hicks for the 250mil to A-Rod in 2001 all the way too Loria and Stanton 325mil last year…..just wait for the Harper deal it’s really going to be outrageous maybe 400mil……
David Coonce
They should be guaranteed contracts. These guys have short careers and sacrifice their bodies. Think Sandy Koufax, who retired at 30, would have liked to have a guaranteed contract during those seasons the Dodgers were running him into the ground?
BobbyO04
Actually, think the guaranteed part is the issue that irks me, esp when some players put in cruise control once they get that huge contact. Rather have NFL structure in all sports but too late for that to happen.
David Coonce
The NFL contract structure is awful for the players – they can be released without pay just because they get hurt doing their job. If you think baseball players change teams a lot look at the NFL sometime. And a majority of NFL players are broke within 5 years of leaving the sport, while the owners reap billions. It’s an awful system.
Lance
If the teams are dumb enough to give these contracts the players would be fools to turn them down. No one is going to hold a gun to the heads of the owners who sign Price, Grienke, etc…..
David Coonce
Pete Rose was a compulsive gambler. Of course he was worried about money. You should read about Pete Rose sometime. Do you think he went to Montreal because he wanted to win? And you are aware that Willie Mays played before free agency, right? And Tom Seaver signed a huge FA contract (at the time) to go to the White Sox. Ryan’s career straddled free agency – as soon as he could become a free agent he signed two (at the time) very large FA contracts, first with Houston and then at age 42 with the Rangers. He basically made all of his money after he reached free agency.
rct 2
In addition to this, BR says Pete Rose made over $7MM in his career, which is a lot of money for someone who retired in the mid-80s. Further, his post-baseball career has been all about money, as Rose endorses plenty and tries to sell memorabilia at every turn.
TheRealRyan 2
No kidding. Pete Rose is the epitome of money hungry and selfish. He bores(rhymes with the word I really want to use) his name and image anywhere and everywhere that will throw him a dollar. He’ll even sell you a chance to sit down to dinner with him. He then hung on for years at the end, as a below average player, only to chase a personal record of most hits. People want to bash A-Rod for still playing only to chase records and money, but at least he is still productive.
Lance
Rose ONLY played because someone thought him valuable enough to play. Whether it was for his playing ability or as a gate attraction or as player-manager, SOMEONE thought him good enough to pay. That these other long term contracts are given is sheer insanity, IMO, but it’s their money.
TheRealRyan 2
What are you talking about? The guys I grew up watching were real men and heroes. They didn’t care about money and only played for the love of the game. Today’s players are babies and cheaters, who are money hungry and lazy.
If you could only hear my grouchy old man voice it really helps to drive my point home.
Lance
That’s nonsense. Players back in the “good old days” didn’t have any leverage to go on the open market. The Cardinals could shove a “take it or leave it” contract at Musial, Gibson, Boyer and they didn’t have any options other than quit. Pujols DID have an option and the Angels were stupid enough to give him a contract that will pay Albert over $30m when he is 40+ years old. But he earned it by working hard and becoming one of the greatest hitters in history.
Lance
Rose left his hometown Reds for (at the time) was one of the largest contracts in baseball with the Phillies. Ryan became the first million dollar a year player in baseball when he signed with Houston.
stymeedone
I don’t like how much money they get paid either. I would love to be able to afford to go to more games, but the ticket prices, and even my cable bill to watch the games at home, keeps going up. I used to go to 20-30 games a year. Now its about 5. Still, I understand Price wanting a better contract than Scherzer-He’s a better pitcher.
Lance
Rose, Seaver, Bench, Mays, Ryan ALL wanted money but until free agency began, they didn’t have many options. Then Rose left Cinci for a huge contract in Philadelphia and Ryan left the Angels for Houston and became the first million dollar a year player. Don’t think for a moment Musial, Mays, Aaron, Mantle or Ted Williams wouldn’t have left their teams for better deals IF they could have.
bobbleheadguru
1. Scherzer’s contract is not as big as it seems. it is less than the Verlander/Felix level if you factor in the time value of money. Only $10MM more than Lester according to FanGraphs.
2. No reason for the Tigers to overpay for Price now when they have Cueto/Zimmerman/Shark/Fister as backup options. No way all 5 will get overpaid.
3. Cespedes is a perfect fit for LF at Comerica Park. However, he is a star, not a superstar. No reason for the Tigers to overpay here.
Lance
I think it all depends on how you define “overpay.” At some point one would think teams would wise up and stop giving 6-7 year contracts and regrets like the Phillies did with Ryan Howard, Chase Utley and Cliff Lee. But if Philly turns things around in the next few years, they’ll be right back out there in the market.
stymeedone
1. Scherzer’s contract is ridiculous when considering the Nationals had no competition to signing him.
2. When has a premier FA ever chosen the Tigers as first choice? They overpaid to get I-Rod and Magglio, and even paid top dollar to Fielder when there was no competition for his services.
3. I am in agreement on Cespedes. Moya is left handed (which they need) and a fairly similar type of player. Hopefully he will be ready. They will need to save their money for Pitching.
tune-in for baseball
Too much playing time to go in 2015 to see what SP will fetch. Cueto an Zimmerman have had injury concerns which could lower their value or they could bounce back. Price has not looked as dominate as in the past and could also get injury issues. As the year progresses values will go up and down and options may be elimated.
Cespedes is a very good #6 hitter with a .265/.315/.465 slash line and will average 20-25HR and 85-100RBI. If he is asked to perform as a #3-5 hitter, his numbers will suffer. Not even a “star” player if he continues his “all or nothing” approach at the plate and piles up the SO. Could really be a .300+ hitter by going to all fields. Has had some success doing that in 2015. Losing VMart has really hurt the Tigers and without someone like him to hit in the #4-5 slot, Cespedes will not get good pitches to hit and struggle. He really is excellent at making a pitcher pay for a mistake, but has little plate discipline. I agree, he fits well in LF but if he wants to get paid as a #3-4-5 he needs to perform better.
willi
Then those clubs need to be Playing in AAA Players , Not Majors !
Sickle
Howard is going to net a decent return if he keeps hitting and the Phils kick in some serious cash.
sdsuphilip
Doubt he keeps hitting, already down to 115 wRC+ with a under 300 OBP the ISO will regress next
onthebucks
Bettis had a perfect game against the Phils into the seventh inning last night and a no-hiiter into the eighth. Colorado beat the Phils 4-1. It’s intersting to speculate what the Phils would be like without Howard and Revere in the lineup this season and if the Phils can really afford to trade either or both players at this stage of the club’s rebuilding project.
stymeedone
With his performance so far, the Tigers rookie catcher, James McCann, has done what the other highly rated catching prospects in baseball have failed to do. He has increased his value AFTER reaching the majors. If the Tigers really wish to go all in this year, upon Avila coming back from the DL, move him as a centerpiece of a trade for Hamels. With Verlander expected back by then, that would give the Tigers a rotation of Price, Hamels, Sanchez, Simon, Verlander and Greene. Not a bad 6-man rotation. (maybe move Simon to the bullpen).
tune-in for baseball
I hope you mean to include Avila in the trade, not McCann. They would be foolish to part with McCann. He will be a solid fixture in Detroit at a very difficult position to fill. He will hit, play good defense, and be very affordable for years. Not worth it to trade him for Hamels but I really like your idea of trying to get Hamels.
stymeedone
Avila wouldn’t get Hamels, McCann would. Trading McCann would not empty the Tigers of minor league catching depth. McCann is good, but if he gets Hamels (and hopefully a WS), then we can wait for the next catcher in the system.
tune-in for baseball
So you would be OK to have Holiday as the everyday catcher in 2016? Avila will not be signed and nobody on the farm is ready to step up..McCann is not Minor League depth, he is the Major League starter til Avila comes back. Even then they will be 40/60 or 45/55 split.
Tigers are in a funk now with VMart out and Hamels will not get them a WS at this point. SP is not the biggest problem. I agree AA will not get Hamels, and I would love to add him but not losing McCann as a part of the deal. Still plenty of time before the trade deadline and my gut says the Phillies will milk their position til the final days.
DavidL
James McCann is a promising player who has a 101 OPS+ in 100 major league at bats. Keep in mind that the price for Sanchez was a top 20 overall prospect, a catcher who was better in the minors than McCann, and a another pitcher. Sanchez had never had a 4.0 bWAR season and Hamels has had five consecutive seasons over 4.5 bWAR.
You need to put in two guys like Smyly and Franklin in with McCann to get Hamels.
tune-in for baseball
I know that Hamels will require much more than McCann but you should also be aware that the prospects mentioned above were for Sanchez and Infante.
DavidL
That’s true but in Sanchez’s best year he wasn’t as good as Hamels’ worst year. And the Price deal was only for Price. The Tigers simply don’t have players left as well regarded as Smyly and Turner were at the time of those deals.
stymeedone
With his dad in the front office, I’m betting that Avila could be open to resigning with the Tigers. I’m fine with Holaday as the back up for next year. I am expecting Victor to be back at the 15 day mark. I do, however, realize that to get something, you have to give up something. I would love for the Tigers to keep McCann, but I realize that they are probably not going to resign Price, or the other top FA pitchers. Detroit is not a free agents first choice. Without starting pitching, the Tigers (or most any team) will have no chance to contend. Hamels would be a nice addition for this year, and be a NECCESSARY rotation piece for next year. While not cheap, he is in the range the Tigers can afford. If the Tigers don’t trade McCann, who can they trade to improve the team? Dixon Machado looked smooth in the field, but I don’t think he would bring back a substantial piece on his own.
willi
No, only 50 years ! Schwareris a DH at most, Baez is a Strikeout King, Almora a fourth outfielder, McKinney average at Best, and Volelback,can’t field,can’t run or throw,another Dh in waiting! NONE are Quality!