9:40pm: The club has received promising initial indications on Ramirez’s shoulder, as Brian MacPherson of the Providence Journal reports on Twitter. Manager John Farrell called Ramirez “day to day,” saying that it is not yet clear that he’ll need a DL stint.
8:24pm: Red Sox outfielder Hanley Ramirez suffered what the team is calling a sprained left shoulder during tonight’s action. He crashed into the left field wall attempting to make a catch down the line.
It is obviously far too soon to know how severe the injury is, but the somewhat innocuous terminology (“sprain”) could potentially belie its seriousness. Shoulder sprains come in different grades, of course. And Ramirez has already undergone two procedures on his left shoulder.
The 31-year-old has hit a robust .283/.340/.609 over 103 plate appearances this year, providing the middle-of-the-order presence that Boston hoped for. While his poorly-rated work in his first season as an outfielder has held down his value, the club will certainly miss his bat for whatever time he misses.
Of course, the Red Sox are particularly loaded in the outfield, even with Shane Victorino already on the DL. Allen Craig and Daniel Nava are already on the big league roster, while Rusney Castillo and Jackie Bradley Jr. are patrolling the outfield at Triple-A Pawtucket. Then again, the Red Sox promised Ramirez $88MM over four years in hopes that he would help anchor a potent lineup, and every game counts in a tight division.
If the injury keeps Ramirez down for a significant stretch, the biggest impact, in the end, could be on Boston’s flexibility to deal over the summer. Outfield depth seemed among the more likely places from which the club could draw in adding pieces to its rotation, which has struggled to a 5.66 ERA.
Draven Moss
This is a huge blow to the team. They gotta hope it is a Grade I sprain so he’ll only be out for a couple weeks, or a bit more. Time to test the outfield depth they have hung onto.
Draven Moss
Big blow. Hope he can recover fast and continue mashing the ball!
Jaysfan1994 2
It’s a huge blow considering Boston’s probably limiting him to PH duties unless Ortiz feels his body can hold up fielding for a few weeks. Can’t see him fielding with a sore shoulder, even if it isn’t his throwing one.
Sleeper
Wasn’t a fan at all of his reaction to the HBP by Warren last night, but not so disdained by it that I’d want that to happen to him. Sorry to hear, that could be a tough blow if it’s anything more than a minor sprain
User 4245925809
He didn’t throw his bat, like Bert Campaneris did at Lerrin Lagrow once…
Sleeper
I know, it was just pretty over dramatic for a pitch that was below the belt and pretty clearly unintentional. Regardless, I respect the guy and never want any players to get hurt.
andrewyf
No doubt about it, Hanley is not an outfielder. This injury is a direct result of Boston misplacing him in LF. Terrible roster construction.
User 4245925809
Evidently you never saw him play SS. His bat was always what made him a valuable commodity, kind of like jeter the last dozen years?
formerdraftpick 2
If the Red Sox were a Disney movie it would be called ‘Infield in the Outfield.’
MB923
Orrr…could have put him at 3B and not sign Pablo. Said it before and will say it again, signing both didn’t make much sense Unless they used Hanley as a backup SS if Boagertes continued to be mediocre in 2015 as he was in 2014. Thankfully as of now that hasn’t been the case for Boston.
Jaysfan1994 2
Hanley’s always been a butcher with the glove, doesn’t matter where you move the guy.
David Coonce
Why is there any idea he would be better at 3rd than in left? He’s a born DH; I’m assuming the Sox will live with his defense in left as long as they can. He’s not worse than Manny was out there.
Pei Kang
not with the Panda there….H-Ram should DH, but they have Ortiz.
Don Wilson
Their was a time when he could play SS at a respectable level. Never great but decent. He’s ticketed for 1b after this season if I were to guess.
TheMick
Agree HanRam’s not as bad as Manny was, but Boston had some great teams while Manny was there to make up for his defense.
MB923
“He’s not worse than Manny was out there.”
Never know. He very well can be. Manny at least played the wall very well. He can be way worse than Manny in LF. After all he was worse than Jeter at SS.
Very SSS but among the 3 positions , he has played 3B the “least worse” of the 3 according to UZR. Just saying.
MeowMeow
At least Manny would hustle to the ball. Watching Hanley saunter over to the balls while the runners take their extra base has been painful.
David Coonce
Hanley got hurt hustling for the ball. At least he didn’t fall over it and have it land under his body. With Napoli struggling badly, I wonder if Boston could use Hanley at first for a few games here and there.
MeowMeow
I’ve always been in the “shouldn’t have signed Sandoval” camp, although Pablo has made some amazing plays at 3B so far this season at least
Cam
Ain’t nowhere to hide him either, unless the BoSox petition for two DH spots.
Bradley Maravalli
I guess you can this is just “growing pains.” Haha. Punny.
vwnut13 2
Seeing him play in the outfield, I’d hate to see him play in the infield…
stymeedone
How surprising! Hanley Ramirez is injured? What were the odds?
Derpy
From my recollection, a lot of guys who suffer this type of injury report one problem the day it happens, and a very different problem the following day. You often hurt the side that hit the wall in some less serious way, and then more seriously hurt the opposite side of your body. I believe Mike Baxter complained of an injured shoulder at the time of his injury (the catch that saved Johan Santana’s no hitter, I’m sure you’ve all seen it a thousand times), and then the following day it turned out he broke the opposite collar bone and tore the cartilage in his ribs, again on the opposite side of his body than what hit the wall.
Anyways, just sayin fans should give it a day before you jump to any conclusions. Information right after an injury may be erroneous.
Vandals Took The Handles
No problem – the Red Sox have guys sitting on their bench that are better then most guys starting on other teams. They have the best prospects in the history of the world, that fans of other teams envy (or so I read here). They should have no problem replacing one guy. After all, aren’t they running away with the ALE?
MattHollidaysForearms
It’s been a month. Slow down.
Valkyrie
Yeah slow down. Their entire pitching staff are notoriously slow starters. Besides, I’ve heard that the Sox dismal start is all a feint to throw the rest of the division off balance. The plan is for the Sox to not lose a game after the 14th of June. They are confident that it will work.
DAKINS
Wait a min, I thought that was the Jays’ plan this year….
Valkyrie
It is. Them too. Great minds think alike.
Cam
I guess that’s what happens you put a DH in the field.
frogbogg
Leave Beltran out of this…
guyute
Saying the Sox are “particularly loaded” in the outfield is being generous. Loaded down is more like it.
Nava and Craig have been terrible, and Craig’s contract makes him tough to trade.
Only hope is Vic comes back healthy and contributes, Castillo lives up to the hype and Betts’ growing pains are short term. No guarantees there.
Vandals Took The Handles
That’s not what I read here this offseason.
What changed things? The games starting?
MattHollidaysForearms
A month of baseball proves nothing.
Vandals Took The Handles
When am I allowed to comment on the Red Sox play? June 4th? July 11th? August 23rd? September 30th?
You have a date?
MattHollidaysForearms
You can comment whatever you like whenever you like. Just as I wouldn’t take someone seriously calling out a winner of the Kentucky Derby when they’re 1/7th through the race, I have a hard time treating some evaluations seriously when ~15% of the season has been played.
Valkyrie
Yeah, but in September, you’ll be saying that 6 months of baseball proves nothing.
MattHollidaysForearms
It proves 6X more than 1 month. I’ll soften my stance by saying 1 month of baseball tells us little, it doesn’t tell us nothing.
I’d be happier to evaluate a team after 160 games, rather than 25.
David Coonce
I wouldn’t worry too much about Betts; his .250 BABIP won’t last forever. He’s having good at-bats, hitting the ball hard and hitting line drives. He’s hitting into a bit of bad luck but he’s drawn 11 walks against 19 Ks so he’s not swinging at everything. I don’t find Nava or Craig to have much value, except as platoon DH guys. Victorino seems broken. I would assume if Castillo is healthy he’ll be the guy called up if Ramirez ends up on the DL.
MeowMeow
Nava and Craig have 92 combined plate appearances, coming as non-regulars and also mid-game replacements. I know people hide behind SSS a lot, but… too small of a sample size to condemn either.
formerdraftpick 2
If they place him on the DL, they should call up Garin CecchinI because the Sox apparently can always use another third baseman on the roster.
Don Wilson
Well……he has been dabbling in LF at Pawtucket. Thing is he can’t hit a beach ball.
MiddleIn
No trouble. They can reach into their tremendous prospect pool and not miss a beat. This team is a mess already.
Valkyrie
Which one of those “tremendous” prospects you talking about?
M.Kit
Was good while it lasted I guess. Once fragile, always fragile.
Jaysfan1994 2
Next up Bret Lawrie, Mark Texeira, Troy Tulowitzki, Michael Cuddyer and Carlos Gonzalez.
Already injured therefor not included are Carl Crawford and Jose Reyes.
MB923
You left out Grady Sizemore
Jaysfan1994 2
I’m rooting for him.
willi
Of a bigger concern is the Red Sox Starting Pitching, They must give up something to get Cole Hamels from the Phillies or their seasons over before July.
Bill 21
What is interesting is that the Phillies seem to have more than one player that could help the Bosox; Hamels, Harang, Papelbon, and any of 3 or 4 other bullpen arms.
Vandals Took The Handles
Please…….
That teams starting pitching need a lot more then one additional arm – Sandy Koufax in his prime would not solve their starting pitching issues. And their bullpen is even worse.
Fenway Park made a power-hitting SS out of Rico Petrocelli. I can be the GM of the Red Sox and bring in players that can hit in that park. That team needs pitching and it needs players that can run the bases and play smart baseball……every day.
MattHollidaysForearms
You only play 81 games at home. Petrocelli hit 28+ home runs for 3 consecutive years. It’s entirely possible Petrocelli could hit for power.
The Red Sox need to play better. It’s been a month.
Vandals Took The Handles
I’ve been watching MLB for almost 60 years. I know that things can change during a season.
But when I see a sub-par pitching staff along with position players consisting of veterans past their prime and young guys not entering theirs….well, I’ve seen this before and it’s seldom, if ever, resulted in those teams suddenly becoming WS contenders. I’ve watched the Red Sox this year and at this point see no chemistry at all.
That roster looks like something put together by committee. Fenway Park can make any average ML hitter a very good one. Bringing in Panda and Rameriz has kept their stats going in their later years, but that’s not at all what that team needed.
MattHollidaysForearms
– I have no idea how you’re supposed to ‘see chemistry’ and what that means. This is a rather vague term and I have a tough time knowing how to detect chemistry.
– Pre-peak and post-peak players can still be very productive.
– This team looks incomplete. The roster will be different in September. Be patient.
Valkyrie
Then again, looking at how poorly Hamels seems to be pitching this season, he might just be another very mediocre arm on a team loaded with mediocre arms. If you’re going to lose anyway, which seems almost certain with the Sox, why give up Swihart and/or Betts?
NoAZPhilsPhan
He always starts slow. Last year on May 6 his ERA was 7.02…the rest of the season..2.06. Eliminate the month of may too and from June on 1.91
Don Wilson
No one sneaks a negative comment of Cole Hamels past NoAZPhilsPhan. You always come with stats too!
NoAZPhilsPhan
Actually it’s the first time I have been on in days…lol. Been sick.
Don Wilson
I just remember your name when Hamels Bashing comes up. He does have a history of slow starts, you are correct. His velo has also aged well.
NoAZPhilsPhan
his 4 seam, cutter and curve velo have varied .2-.4 mph since 2010…his change has actually ticked up about 1 mph. I just find it amusing when any established very, very good player gets “diminished” when the facts speak for themselves.
pft53
If Craig, Nava, Bradley and Castillo is considered loaded then so am I. Quantity is not quality. Also, Betts has not played all that well either. Victorinos loss is not felt much as poorly as he played. Castillo should probably if he is over his shoulder injury. Hanley was the only guy getting it done in the OF, at least at the plate as defensively he was not very good (that was a nice play he almost made tonight though)
Red Sox have a history of underplaying shoulder injuries to position players that are in fact much more serious. Kalish and Ellsbury come to mind. Hanleys looks like an injury that can linger, as labrum strains often do, and since its his left shoulder that’s likely to affect his power
Sir Didihiro Nakamura
That was a pretty routine play, guys like Gardner easily make that play. Hanley just sucks.
TheMick
With the Sox spectacular depth at every position, the highly under rated SP, and best minor league system in baseball this will end up being a blip on the radar at season’s end. Take your time Hanley’
Mikenmn
I wonder if they even need to play any of the games with that type of potential. Manfred could just order simulations. Then no one would get hurt.
TheMick
It’s fair to say the Sox were going to win at least 100 games. Perhaps Manfred should just give them the W’s and see where the rest of the division finishes
Vandals Took The Handles
The teams just play the season for laughs. The PERCOTA projections are spot on every year.
MeowMeow
I’ll have you know my 2015 Red Sox team in Out of the Park Baseball is doing PRETTY well!
Mikenmn
Glad to hear that. I would have expected no less. How’s the concession and parking sales doing?
Mikenmn
I don’t think Boston needs an ace. Boston has enough hitting that they just need a competent staff. Look at 2013. Other than a great half season by Bucholtz, none of the other four pitchers were that remarkable in the regular season. This type of team is like the Yankee teams of the 50’s. Competent pitching is probably enough, with a decent bullpen.
Valkyrie
Yeah, right. Their results so far certainly support this rosy point of view.
Stonehands
I actually agree with Mike, except we don’t have competent pitching. We have a good start with Porcello….then it just goes down hill
Vandals Took The Handles
Yes! Pitching, defense and baserunning are overrated. And those Yankee teams of the 50’s – all they did was stand up and swat. Casey didn’t know anything about baseball, he just babysat the players.
Mikenmn
I think my point is still a good one. The Big Red Machine didn’t have a staff of aces either. The fifties Yankees and the Reds fielded well and hit very well. There was very little stealing in the 50’s, but the 56 Yankees managed 51 for the entire year–caught stealing, 37. What I was trying to say is that are a lot of ways to win championships, and while I would be delighted if the Red Sox last one was….their last one permanently, I wouldn’t necessarily say lack of an ace dooms them.
$40129616
If the injury keeps Ramirez down for a significant stretch, the biggest impact, in the end, could be on Boston’s flexibility to deal over the summer.
No. The biggest impact will be on their ability to score runs, since he’s currently one of the only guys we have who is hitting.
madmc44
The Sox have a plethora of infielders–why they picked up Jimenez and immediately brought him in to take Hinojosa’s place, a relief pitcher, is beyond me.
Initially I thought if the Sox could keep the opposition to 5 runs or less they could win plenty of games; that’s not a lock as we have found out.
I do suggest going with a 5 man rotation and an 8 man pen—to me they are stretching the pen too much as has also been evidenced this season.
VAR
I think the Ramirez injury answers your question. Now Holt is free to start in right field, with a platoon of Craig and Nave in left, and if there is an issue in the infield they have Jimenez.
madmc44
My feeling is the more pitching arms in the pen the better. Knowing Ortiz can play 1 B in a pinch. I would go with reserves: Swihart, Nava and Jimenez. Craig in LF every dayj. DL Hanley. Hanley is useless for the next two weeks because of the shoulder. He could bring ERod up and give him a couple of BP opportunities.
Stonehands
I wonder if the Sox would consider going to a doubles rotation? carry 6-7 SPs and pair them up for 3-4 IP a piece in hopes to find a few prospects/current starters standout…after a few weeks of that re-establish the rotation with the 5 best pitchers you found…the current staff is just plain terrible and that might save the bullpen a bit as well
TheMick
Why not bring up Owens, Rodriguez and/or Johnson? I heard Cherington say he’d look internally before going outside the organization for pitching help. It’s pretty obvious they need starting pitching help. What’s he waiting for?
NoAZPhilsPhan
I’ve seen several people propose ideas similar to that or to go with a six man rotation. There is one problem. Most starting pitchers are creatures of habit especially those who have been in the MLB for a while. They are very used to having their four days rest and for many of them pitching on three days rest or five days rest etc really throws them out of balance.
Stonehands
I understand that too, which makes it tough. But the current habits they are in clearly aren’t working
Paul Salinas
It should’ve been called an out tho
Michael 22
So, the Red Sox have a left fielder who’s really a shortstop, but should be a third baseman, a center fielder who’s a second baseman, a right fielder who’s an infielder, and a first baseman who’s a converted catcher? Injuries aren’t just going to happen here, I would actually expect them.
Draven Moss
All those guys have made the transition extremely well. Betts and Napoli are now above average defenders at their positions. The only one struggling with the conversion is Hanley, and he was never a good fielder anyways. He can’t be much worse than he was at SS.
ahrmann
But did he glare angrily at the wall after running into it?