Blue Jays president Paul Beeston appears set to continue on in that capacity, according to Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca. Of course, as Davidi notes, both Beeston and GM Alex Anthopoulos could face questions if a postseason berth is not in the offing in 2015. The front office will have at least $20MM to $30MM in free salary, Davidi reasons, which could be bolstered with a spending increase and/or move to shed some payroll obligations. As Davidi rightly notes, Toronto has a very clean balance sheet after this year, which could potentially leave the team with a big hammer to wield in free agency.
Here’s more from Toronto and the rest of the AL East:
- The Blue Jays have a number of possible offseason targets on both the trade and free agent front, writes Sportsnet.ca’s Ben Nicholson-Smith. Among them is Angels second baseman Howie Kendrick, who Toronto has “placed multiple calls on,” according to Nicholson-Smith — who, it should be noted, also recently reported that the Jays are on Kendrick’s no-trade list.
- Whether or not the Yankees are big free agent spenders this year remains to be seen, but the club’s financial muscle is flexed in many and disparate ways, as Kiley McDaniel of Fangraphs writes. Over recent years, New York has consistently controlled the market for minor league free agents, bringing bigger and better offers to the table for players like Yangervis Solarte. (In an interesting note to give context to this relatively minimal spending, McDaniel says a team source told him the team could break even financially even if it carried $500MM in total payroll obligations, including luxury tax costs.)
- The early set of rotation targets for the Yankees features names like Brandon McCarthy, Jason Hammel, and Chris Capuano, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. That jibes with another recent report suggesting that New York has no current plans to attack the arms at the top of the market.
- Free agent closer David Robertson, who is currently weighing a qualifying offer from the Yankees, is one of the most fascinating free agents to watch. Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes that his sense is the club will be interested in exploring a multi-year deal with Robertson, but may not chase him at the top of the market and would be comfortable allowing him to walk.
- Another QO recipient, Nelson Cruz, told MLB Network Radio (via Eduardo Encina of the Baltimore Sun) that a return to the Orioles is his preferred outcome. “No doubt it’s my first choice,” said Cruz. “I’d love to be back. I understand the business. I know they’re interested in bringing me back. Hopefully we can work something out.” Cruz was not willing to say he would take a lesser deal to stay in Baltimore, though it is obviously hard to fault him for not copping to that publicly — or, for that matter, for choosing the best contract offer he receives, if that ultimately proves to be the case.
- The Red Sox catcher of the future is Blake Swihart, not Christian Vazquez, opines J.J. Cooper of Baseball America. But the team need not decide now how it will sort out the presence of two highly-regarded young backstops. Instead, the team has the option of adding a veteran presence alongside Vazquez for the coming year while Swihart continues to develop in the minors. Assuming Swihart establishes himself as a big league regular, Boston will have plenty of time to assess whether it makes more sense to keep both players or deal one away.
Roy-Z
Red Sox are in a very good place right now. 2014 was a bomb, but I think they can recover incredibly quick. The time for other AL East teams to win is right now, and they should be playing free agency and the trade market that way.
EskimoJS
They aren’t in a good place until they actually sign the players that they need. They dumped their pitching and need to restock. If they miss out on too many they still won’t be in a good place. I’d rephrase it as though they have the potential to be in a good place but aren’t in one yet.
Bleed_Orange
They also traded their pitching for “win now” guys. Plus there isn’t much value left in the vets they still have. IMO the Sox need a lot of things prospect wise to break their way. Their team was a dumpster fire last year with Lester.
Yohan
Joe Kelly is average at best, Yoenis Cespedes is slightly above average, and Allen Craig continued his disaster year after the trade and who knows if he will have any true value.
These aren’t win now guys. More like fillers.
Bleed_Orange
I don’t disagree. Considering how valuable Lester was at the deadline I was shocked to see Boston trade him for a player with next to no service time left.
slider32
The Sox need to sign one of the big three along with another quality starter to be competitive next year. I would say Shields and Liriano would be the minimum.
Bleed_Orange
That would get them to breaking even before the trade deadline next year. They need to replace Middlebrooks and they need Bradley and Bogarts to take HUGE steps forward.
Draven Moss
Bradley won’t be playing, we have Castillo in CF, Betts in RF, and Victorina/Nava/Craig in LF.
Bleed_Orange
Wasn’t Bradley the best defensive center fielder in baseball last year? With his upside I think you have to start him. Betts in RF sounds about right and Victorino in left assuming he’s not traded. Craig is a player without a position right now.
Jeff Hill
He was easily the best defensive center fielder in baseball by far. But it doesn’t help that he can’t hit the ball at all. If they had a contending team and a great offense he could easily be inserted to the lineup. To be honest he could work in an offense where his bat is not really needed. To describe his offense I would use some decent hitting pitcher as a comp around a .200-.220 guy.
Jaysfan1994 2
I guess Cespedes is going to learn how to play 3B and SS in the off-season.
Christopher Henderson
Yoenis will be in left field
Draven Moss
Forgot all about him! That’s exactly right, so the Sox are gonna need to trade two of the other three
slider32
I wouldn’t give up on Bradley just yet. It’s funny how a lot of the hitting has left baseball.
Draven Moss
I’m not giving up on him, but he can’t play at the big league level, yet. After he was sent to AAA, he continued to struggle, therefore meaning he has to get his stroke back and adjust his approach in order to be successful. He doesn’t deserve the opportunity to figure this out at the MLB Level when we have 6 capable OFs who are more likely to contribute. I certainly hope he can get it back, because then he’d be a 5-tool player, but I wouldn’t count on it. The thing with JBJ though is that he strikes me as a very humble and determined player, so I’m looking forward to seeing him battle and try to regain a spot, it couldn’t happen to a better guy IMO.
Christopher Henderson
Jackie Bradley Jr does not having a starting gig in Boston. The 3 man outfield set for 2015 is Yoenis, Castillo and Victorino. He most definitely will be trade fodder this offseason. And Bogaerts really stepped up his game when they finally traded Drew, and X-Box was put back at short. He really finished the season strong
Bob Bunker
Betts>>>>Vic.
Christopher Henderson
With his $13 million salary and Farrell’s love for him, I dont see him being a bench player
Draven Moss
I’d rather have Betts playing than Victorino IMO, and I hope Farrell agrees with me. Betts is the definition of an all around offensive player; he makes good contact, has good OBP, has excellent speed, and has shown signs of power. IMO, he could be capable of putting up some great numbers. Maybe a slash like this: .300/.375/425 (So an OPS. Of ~800) with ~10-15 homers, 30 doubles, and 40 SBs during his peak years. Also, Betts is a better definition of a lead-off hitter, while Victorino is better suited for the 2-hole or 7-hole. Plus, his numbers vs. Righties aren’t great. So all in all, I hope the Red Sox trade Victorino, wether it’d be for a bag of balls or maybe a decent reliever/rule-5 guy (Not Bartolo Colon Please!), as I don’t want him playing over a guy like Betts, who I think can contribute much more effectively.
slider32
I would say Victorino and Castillo are ?s.
Draven Moss
Castillo is not, he was signed to a 7 year deal, you don’t just do that for a bench player. He will be the opening CF come 2015, as long as his thumb injury isn’t too serious (or bearing any other injuries).
Christopher Henderson
Again I say hell no to Liriano. He’s the definition of NL only pitcher. 5 times in the AL, he posted ERA’s over 5. Not worth the loss of a draft pick
Ed Duffy
It was a season and a half, hardly no service time, and he is a right handed power hitter that fills their biggest need. I think all these every coach hates him rumors are just that and if he gets off to a good start which i see no reason why he won’t he will have value to a contender, value to a team that can sign him, and certainly value to Boston if they can come to an agreement. Was it a bit of a risk? Sure bt I believe it was a well calculated one.
Christopher Henderson
The offense turned a 180 when he was added to it, no doubt about that!!!
andrewyf
Right, that’s the problem. They could have traded for prospects, but instead they traded for guys with no future value. So if they don’t win in 2015 – the definition of ‘win now’, it will have been for nothing. And they’re in a very, very bad place for winning now.
slider32
It will be tough to replace all the pitching they need and have them all be good.
Bradley Maravalli
Red Sox are definitely in a good place to add payroll AND have the ability to trade their prospects for immediate help. Besides the Cubs, many clubs have either/or, not both.
EskimoJS
Yes, they can definitely fill some holes. But they have a ton of holes to fill and I doubt they want to sell the farm to fill them all.
Christopher Henderson
3rd base, backup catcher and starting pitching are the holes to fill
EskimoJS
It depends how much you want to rely on your prospects, but I’d say 3B and four SPs is a lot just on their own.
Draven Moss
The Sox don’t need 4 SPs, they need two. One Ace, and a solid no.2 type starter. Behind these guys, you’ll have Bucholz (who should be able to hold his own IF he is healthy, and that’s a big IF), Kelly (who has good stuff, and hopefully can stay healthy, but has had injury issues), and one of the other guys that they used during the 2nd half, so probably De La Rosa, Ranaudo, or Workman. The thing is, if the pitchers in the no.4 and 5 spots fail, they have some pretty good options to fill the back end, but none of these options can solve their need for the top of the rotation, unless Owens is somehow ready and can contribute superbly (HIGHLY unlikely).
slider32
Cherrington may have over played his hand last year, just too many holes to fill, they need to get one of the big three pitchers.
Jim Johnson
They are in a pretty good place in terms of being able to compete for free agents. But I’m not sure the team is in a very good place right now. We we will have to see how the winter plays out. The Red Sox are an unknown right now, which can be both good and bad.
West Coast O's Fan
Signing Koji for two years $18 million will prove to be a mistake. They better start making better decisions them they have the last few years. There aren’t to many teams like the Dodgers out there waiting to help them out like they did a few years ago with their bad contracts.
Christopher Henderson
The Dodgers took over $300 million off their hands… No way are they in that bad of shape when it comes to contracts right now
Draven Moss
The Red Sox can afford Koji to be a bust if that very well happens, but I can’t see it. The guy has stellar control and hidden velocity, which relates to success. I just can’t see him loosing it. IMO, he is not the same pitcher as Nathan if that’s what you’re thinking, which is why I think he won’t end up like him.
mattdecap
I agree. The Red Sox can absolutely afford to take an $18MM risk, and a two-year commitment is really not that scary. So sure, it could be a bad deal, but there is enough upside that I wouldn’t call it a mistake. It’s a calculated risk, and a small one at that.
Need Pitching & Hitting
Pretty sure the $500M figure presented for the Yankees was for total MLB payroll expenditure, including the luxury tax, not in addition to the luxury tax.
Sam66mvp
It clearly stated a $500 million AND the associated luxury tax. That means in addiction.
LazerTown
“$500 million payroll expenditure (including luxury tax)”
clear enough?
Sam66mvp
Story was edited. It read AND , not including
Jeff Todd
LazerTown was quoting McDaniel’s piece.
You were all right about me being wrong.
Bradley Maravalli
“McDaniel says a team source told him the team could break even financially even if it carried a $500MM Major League payroll and paid the associated luxury tax.”
It simply means that if, IF the New York Yankees had a $500MM payroll, they would still be able to float. They do not carry that payroll currently.
Jaysfan1994 2
Having that kind of payroll would undoubtedly raise players asking prices and salaries would go up around the league. Pretty much killing every small market in the process. MLB’s front office wouldn’t be pleased.
Need Pitching & Hitting
It means they could float (if actually true) with a $500M total payroll expenditure, including luxury tax, which would allow for about a $396M luxury tax payroll.
Obviously they are currently nowhere near that level.
Jeff Todd
Yeah I’m pretty sure I misread that line in drafting the post. I’ll rephrase it in the terms he used.
UK Tiger
The Yanks could support a $500m payroll and yet still break even?
If thats true, its no wonder i rarely see Hank or Hal Steinbrenner without a large grin on their face, just dont tell Cashman…
Jaysfan1994 2
There’s a domino effect on spending that kind of money. Once one team does it every player is going to be asking to get paid like how the Yankees pay their players. The Yankees would effectively kill the small market teams that could never sniff putting up a $100M payroll on a season. MLB would not be very happy.
Robertson99
Exactly. No one really seriously talks about a salary cap in baseball, but if the Yanks suddenly spent that kind of money, you bet that MLB would institute one.
Jaysfan1994 2
I’m totally against a salary cap, but it would only be fair in such a case. Players deserve to make lots of money, it’s them who make the game what it is. Not the owners who make money off of marketing people.
barry2
This is a long shot but the Jays should call DD to see Kinsler is available. There is odd rumor says he is.
andrey
Makes sense in that Det acquired Kinslers’ contract to move Fielder. Now they can move Kinsler to save a lot of money.
Eugenio Suarez did ok at ss and now Iglesias is coming back. Also, 2b prospect Devon Travis is almost ready(AAA this year).
The return for Kinsler would be interesting though, what is his contract worth? Good player but high contract and he has to waive his no trade option.
dan coons
The Nationals have a need at 2b, Span for Kinsler?
barry2
No way, Kinsler is too good of an all around player. Great range and hands and not a bad bat. Still has the good speed and in great shape.
Jeff Todd
I think Kinsler is probably a better overall player than Span, but not by all that much, and not by nearly enough to justify the differences in their contractual obligations.
Span for one year and $9.5MM is a pretty nice deal. Kinsler is owed $46MM over three guaranteed years.
barry2
Kinsler is so valuable that his stats don’t jump out at you but watch him day in and day out is special. I would do the Span trade if the Tigers were going to do a payroll dump. Tigers do have 3 prospects ready for 2B soon.
barry2
You also have Perez. He would be more of a July deadline trade. I would be asking for Sanchez and Lawrie. Tigers are great position here because Kinsler is heck of a player or prize of the trade market and they don’t have to trade him.
Encarnacion's Parrot
Why would the Jays trade Lawrie for Kinsler, effectively filling one hole by creating another? I think you’re on the right track with the talent likely required from the Jays, but the name(s) are wrong.
barry2
I really like Lawrie especially if can stay healthly. Jays would also have to throw in Sanchez or Stroman. Kinsler is a game changer.
Russelmysanchez
I wouldn’t do stroman or sanchez straight up for Kinsler. Even if the money was the same. So much more control and very possibly will provide just as much value over the 3 year contract Kinsler has. I would pick up his salary and also give Graveman, Nolin. If Tigers want on field talent then we shouldn’t trade together, jays are in win now mode too. If they want to dump his salary and reallocate it to areas of greater need, then great. Otherwise I don’t see how these teams line up.
barry2
I agree with what you say. The Tigers do have 3 2B prospects waiting to take over at 2B too. One they are trying to move to CF, one will be utility player and one as a back-up at AAA.
TBJ12
Marcus Stroman put up 3.3 fWAR last season in 130.2 innngs and you want the Jays to just throw him in. Steamer has Stroman at 3.3 and Lawrie at 3.2 fWAR for next season with Kinsler projected at 3.9. Even if you swap Stroman for Sanchez it isn’t happening. I’d much rather see AA just sign one of Headly or Sandoval.
barry2
Go ahead.
canadianblue
Sanchez and Lawrie for Kinsler? if Toronto did that the GM should be instantly fired
barry2
That how valuable he is to the Tigers. His best part of his game is his defense at 2B and speed on the basepath.
Rally Weimaraner
DET will be very short on offense/power if Martinez and to a lesser degree Hunter signs elsewhere. I don’t see them trading Kinsler and weakening their lineup further.
barry2
I said it was a long shot and did you see the players I was asking for?
andrey
I think the point of trading Kinsler would be that Martinez is asking for the same amount of money that Kinsler is currently earning.
Therefore if you trade Kinsler you can sign Martinez without increasing your payroll.
This allows you to play inexpensive internal options at 2b.
slider32
No way the Tigers trade Kinsler!
barry2
I wouldn’t trade Kinsler either. If anything, and this is coming from me,
if the Tigers struggle in 15 then he would more of a trade deadline candidate.
George Bell 2
Kinsler supposedly rejected a deal to Toronto last year before the Tigers trade
Jaysfan1994 2
Yup, Santos was going to the Rangers. Imagine how that would’ve turned out.
kingbum
That YES contract the Yankees have must be very lucrative….. Plus what they get away with charging people for tickets is obscene in my opinion but people pay it so kudos for figuring out what your fan base can afford…..saying that makes me sick as a Red Sox fan but at the same time we aren’t exactly hurting for money either I’m sure John Henry could go deeper in his pockets too if he chose to
Roy-Z
Yeah, but Fenway sells out every night. Yankess fan base cannot afford to fill the stadium anymore. Their attendance isn’t what it used to be – not even close. Everyone has to watch on YES now, which also has the Nets or Knicks or some other sports team, so I’m guessing they make massive coin off of that contract.
Scott Berlin
They can afford too, it’s just the fact they’ve missed the post season the past couple of years. They will pay the price if the team can prove to be more competitive. They just wont pay the price to see a losing products. But Jeter’s farewell tour packed the stadium especially later in the year but of course attendance would have been better had they been higher in the standings or wild card race.
Even with the below average season they had the Yankees still had the 3rd highest average attendance in 2014 and the 3rd highest total number for attendance this season.
UltimateYankeeFan
If Yankees Stadium only held about 37,500 like Fenway Park does the Yankees would sell out every day as well. BTW, most MLB attendance isn’t what it used to be.
vtadave
Yeah in looking at the numbers, it’s down from its 2007 peak by about 7%, but still up a bit since 2009. Not a drastic decline, but yeah pretty easy to sell out Fenway at that number.
bgardnerfanclub
I would be curious to know what Yankee Stadium’s ticket sales/attendance would look like if you separated the Legend’s seats, which few, if any, of us can afford, and ran the numbers on the rest of the stadium.
slashieboy .
How big of acity is New York compared to Boston, Red Sox are doing a great job selling tickets if you factor that in.
slider32
I believe the Yanks make more than the Sox, but winning baseball is not all about the money, ask the Giants!
bgardnerfanclub
Yankee Stadium is expensive, but they are actually number two in average cost of a ticket… behind the Red Sox.
UltimateYankeeFan
I agree with what the blogger said about the Yankees for 2015. McCarthy should be their first option. I’m not convinced about Hammel at all. As for Robertson I agree entirely they will attempt to sign him to a long term deal but not throw money or years at him with no end. I do see Andrew Miller as plan B if Robertson walks.
EskimoJS
McCarthy should be their first pitching option but not their first off-season target. Headley should be the first player they try to sign. That UZR is too amazing to miss.
UltimateYankeeFan
I see no reason why one has to play 2nd fiddle so to speak to the other. I think the Yankees can and should accomplish both in a timely manner. At least I hope so.
pazsky
Plan B would probably be Dellin Betances getting the closer job if Robertson walks, though I would prefer them to sign Robertson and keep Betances for the 7th-8th innings.
Parisian_O's_Fan_OFIC
Didn’t Betances arm fall off this season?
vtadave
Not yet, but 90 innings is a lot.
UltimateYankeeFan
I agree about Betances. But Miller combined with Betances IF Robertson walked would be very, very nice for the bullpen
MB923
I’d take Romo over Miller to be honest. He has a longer track record of success. Miller’s career ERA is near 5 (though that’s mostly as a starter of course). But even Romo has much better relief numbers than Miller (not in 2014, but career I mean).
vtadave
I hear you, but I think Miller is just now finally reaching his potential after the Tigers drafted him ahead of Clayton Kershaw. I think his next four years will be better than Romo’s next four.
EskimoJS
McCarthy would be a great signing and I can even understand Capuano as a super cheap innings eater. But why Hammel? He won’t come at a Capuano price and he just isn’t good. I’d rather take a gamble player like Liriano in that case. Obviously the best gamble would be Josh Johnson but the Yankees will unfortunately never go for him.
Roy-Z
I can see the Yankees making a run at Johnson. Capuano had serious injuries in the past, as well, and Johnson was better before the injuries. If he’s lying around still in February, anyone should gamble on a MiLB contract.
Dynasty22
Josh Johnson? No thanks. The Yankees need durability in the rotation.
EskimoJS
Josh Johnson could be as good as Adam Wainwright when healthy and in the zone. I’d gladly sign him to a gamble deal. As long as we have 5 other pitchers waiting in case he goes down, it’s a great gamble to make for 1 year.
Dynasty22
Josh Johnson hasn’t been as good/better than Wainwright since 2010 and that includes a couple of healthy seasons. Still a good pitcher nonetheless.
I have no problem taking Johnson if most other options are exhausted but the Yankees need durability. Kuroda can’t be the only starter that can go February to September/October without getting injured.
slashieboy .
In the American League, you are joking. Josh Johnson tried the AL and how did that turn out? Not sure Wainright can hack it in the AL either but Johnson clearly can’t.
slider32
No way the Yanks sign Johnson, they already have too many question marks in the rotation. McCarthy or Liriano would be good choices in my book. Tanaka is a #1, Pineda a good #2, CC could still be a #1, that leaves McCarthy and Greene, Nova, or Phelps.
MB923
I don’t think they’d be wasting a draft pick on Liriano. Matter of fact, he (along with Ervin Santana) may be 2 of the last pitchers to get a deal this offseason.
Guest 3593
McCarthy should be their first pitching option but not their first off-season target. Headley should be the first player they try to sign. That UZR is too sexy to miss.
slider32
Like to see the Yanks sign Headley, Lowrie, McCarthy, and a top flight reliever along with Robertson.
Runtime
Was just listening to Ken Rosenthall on MLB Network and he was talking about how the Angels need low cost pitching…I could see Happ+Graveman (or similar) to Angels for Kendrick.
Roy-Z
Everything I’ve seen, rumor or speculation wise, would have Happ+ to Anaheim. Unfortunately, Howie Kendrick has Blue Jays on his no-trade clause. It seems every player on the block does, really.
Alex Grady
Most players will take a short list of teams that they are most likely to be traded to and put them on the No-Trade list for leverage. Kind of like a “Give me another $1MM and I’ll waive the NTC”. Marlon Byrd, last year, wanted his 2016 vesting option guaranteed to take a trade to Seattle, for example.
Runtime
Kendrick’s also in the last year of his contract… I’m sure he can deal for 6-ish months.
Bleed_Orange
Jays end up on a lot of NTC also because of being in Canada…. lots of traveling through customs and they make less money due to taxes and exchange rates.
Russelmysanchez
Ontario top tax rate is less than California. We aren’t as comi/socialist as our american friends sometimes think lol.
Roy-Z
As an American who’s closely connected with Canada (especially Ontario), I can confidently say that what Americans know about Canada is more wrong than it is right. American players think it’s some socialist state, but everyone who plays there seems to love it.
Rally Weimaraner
The exchange rate doesn’t really come into play as players for the Blue Jays are still paid in US dollars per their contract. Also the US dollar is stronger than the Canadian dollar (1 US dollar=1.14 Canadian dollars) so if anything it would increase the player’s salary not decrease it.
mattdecap
Maybe I’m not understanding correctly, but wouldn’t that make the Canadian dollar stronger than the US dollar? You could buy more with less Canadian dollars?
Encarnacion's Parrot
The US dollar is stronger than the Canadian dollar. What he’s saying is it currently costs $1.14 CDN for $1.00 USD. Thus, if the Jays wanted to sign a player for, say, $10MM USD, it would actually cost Rogers $11.4MM since they operate under CDN currency.
Really though, the salary a player makes is the same. The only thing that changes is how much ownership has to spend because of the exchange rate.
Jaysfan1994 2
This pretty much explains why the Jays spent more in the off-season of 2006. The Canadian dollar was at $1.10 American giving them money to spend for the first time in over a decade.
iains
Totally wrong on the exchange rate. Canadian dollar is worth roughly 88 cents American.
Rally Weimaraner
What is 1 divided by 1.14? .877 (rounds to .88) WOW turns out we are both right!
Guest 3592
Well, you had the right numbers, but stated it backwards.
iains
Only that you know know how to do an inversion, not that you know what it means. 1 American dollar buys 1.14 Canadian. In no one’s books does that make the Canadian dollar worth more than the American one.
Jaysfan1994 2
Yes and people don’t have to pay taxes here as long as they don’t live in Canada during the off-season via Tom Cheek’s 2002 settled case. People have so many misconceptions about Canada, it’s kinda ridiculous.
Rally Weimaraner
I really don’t think Happ is the type of pitcher the Angels are after, the inclusion of someone like Graveman is a must for LAA.
TBJ12
I would love to see AA make that deal. I’d even swap Graveman with Sanchez if that’s what it took to get the job done.
andnottoyield
“Jibes” not “jives”. Unless you’re Cab Calloway.
Jeff Todd
You obviously haven’t seen my jazz hands.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Unless, the O’s and Cruz can have a meeting of the minds and come to something that is mutually beneficial to both teams, I would not sign Cruz.
The Orioles need to improve this team. I don’t think a lot has to be done, but somethings need to occur to get to the next level.
I still stand by that the O’s need Billy Butler and Jed Lowrie. While this sentiment hasn’t made me all that popular with some O’s types. They are the two players that we need in my opinion.
Bleed_Orange
I don’t understand the love for Butler and Lowrie. Butler would just be an off the bench bat and for that money I’d rather resign Young. And Lowire wouldn’t come to Baltimore because there isn’t anywhere for him to play in the field, Manny and JJ aren’t moving. My dream scenario would be signing 1 or 2 pen pieces and trading a pitcher (Norris, Gonzales, or Chen) and some other pieces to Atlanta for Justin Upton or Hayward.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
We were short an infielder in the playoffs.
While Machado is coming back, I am still thinking we need someone of the caliber of Lowrie. I still think he has potential and would be worth the extra cost. As Butler, I think he could fully handle playing 1st base. I am a big believer of Butler and he still has the potential of becoming and elite hitter.
PS I don’t see the O’s having enough pieces to get Upton or Hayward
Plus, an outfield of De Aza, Jones and Kakes can get the job done.
That assumes we can resign Kakes and if he wants to stay in Charm City.
Bleed_Orange
Hayward and Upton have very limited value due to only having one year left on their deals and Atlanta’s payroll limitations… I think the O’s could land one of them without giving up one of the elite prospects (would have to trade off the ML roster though). De Aza seems more like a non tender to me as he is just to expensive for his production. And I would just hate to see a log jam at first with Davis, Pierce and Butler as all would be free agents in 2016 (assuming Butler signs a 1 year deal)
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
The problem with Pearce is that he’s not a big enough target to play 1st base on a regular basis. At least that’s the way I feel about it.
Bleed_Orange
I don’t disagree, (still crying about the play he botched against the Royals) but after the year he had last year he’s going to see regular playing time between 1st, LF, and DH… have to put him somewhere.
Seamaholic
Heyward’s a 5 WAR player (if you believe defensive metrics, that is). You’re not getting him for leftovers and extra parts, no matter how years of control he has left.
Bleed_Orange
All 3 of the pitchers I mentioned are 2 WAR players, Gonzalez with 3 years of control left. 1 of those pitchers and a few mid level prospects would get the conversation going.
Rally Weimaraner
If the O’s sign Lowrie it would be to play 2B not 3B or SS. Lowrie would be an improvement over Schoop.
Bleed_Orange
That makes more sense… wasn’t thinking about 2B
stl_cards16
I don’t think any team views Butler or Lowrie as players that will take you the next level.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
That’s what makes me unique.
I usually stand alone with my opinions for the most part.
Parisian_O's_Fan_OFIC
Butler? Oh I hope not
Al Wasser
” … a postseason birth ?” Didn’t realize the Jays were pregnant.
EskimoJS
Nice catch
canadianblue
hopefully they give birth to a little one that grows up to be a world series lol
Jeff Todd
jive/jibe … birth/berth
This was only a test, folks.
UltimateYankeeFan
“McDaniel says a team source told him the team could break even financially even if it carried a $500MM Major League payroll and paid the associated luxury tax.)” Obviously the Yankees are NOT going to carry a payroll of $500MM but their is no reason they can not and should not carry one about half that ($240MM+). Just like the Dodgers. I realize that’s offensive to some fans but it is what it is. There is NO reason for the Yankees or the Dodgers for that matter to act like anything other then what they are. Team(s) with the financial resources to outspend virtually every other team.
bobbleheadguru
Not offended. Want Verlander then?
UltimateYankeeFan
NOPE.
bobbleheadguru
No Problem. Will be nice to go 5-2 against the Yankees in 2015. Wish Tigers were in the AL East with two push over teams (Yankees and Rays). 19 games v. Yankees = more success than just 7.
UltimateYankeeFan
Maybe the Tigers should worry more about the Royals and White Sox who they didn’t exactly over power in 2014.
BTW you do know the Yankees and the Rays both took the 2014 season series from the Tigers.
The Tigers are what is called a severely overrated team and have been for years. In fact since 1984 for the most part. No offense intended.
Ausome7
Might I remind you who has kicked you out of the playoffs the past two times you’ve been in it… Also the tigers went 13-6 against the royals last year. In regards to the other teams in the al central, any true tiger fan would tell you they’d much rather see the rays or the yankees in the other dugout then the white sox and twins because of the rivalries we have with the latter two teams. Honestly if the twins played other teams the way they play us it wouldn’t be pretty. On a side note, the tigers have historically murdered the rays.
UltimateYankeeFan
Historically possibly but over the last 4 years (2010 through 2014) the Tigers are 18-16 versus the Rays that’s hardly murdered. BTW, prior to 2008 everyone “murdered” the Rays.
Jaysfan1994 2
When they were in the AL East it was Toronto, the Yankees and Red Sox beating them up every year. Detroit’s luck getting to the post season has always had to do with the pushover division they play in. AL East still had the best record versus the other divisions in baseball last year boys. Been that way for a long time.
MB923
As if the AL Central doesn’t have push over teams? Twins? White Sox? Royals until 2013
# of games above .500
ALE – +12
ALC – +4
UltimateYankeeFan
Eight of the +12 you mention above were against the Orioles +4 and Red Sox +4. I would hardly call the Orioles who won 96 games a “push over” team. The Red Sox were in 2014 but not 2013.
MB923
“Eight of the +12 you mention above were against the Orioles +4 and Red Sox +4.”
Confused by what you mean here. This was the amount of games over/under the 5 teams in each division were. This wasn’t head to head, just overall record.
UltimateYankeeFan
Sorry I misunderstood your comment.
Scott Berlin
I agree, salaries and payrolls go up naturally overtime with inflation and the Yankees once spend 200million a year and have seen their payroll go down to the 170s-190 range. They need to get back into the playoffs, hell even the Sox tried to cheap it out and they sunk in the division.
VAR
They actually paid 2 million more in payroll in 2014 than in 2013 when they won the World Series. They just didn’t play well.
MB923
That surprises me actually considering they traded away some vets (Lester, Lackey, Peavy). Though I guses they are included in the final payroll?
Jeff Hill
Well don’t forget that they didn’t bring in cheap prospects either. They brought in proven talent. I think Cespedes was around 10 million and Craig was around 6 millionish.
MB923
True but Lackey’s was about $18 mil and Peavy’s was about $13 mil. Not sure how much Lester made.
Payroll is based on AAV though, not how much they are making in that given season. For example, Pujols contract was what 10 year/$260 million? That means his contract is $26 mil per year on the team’s payroll, even though in his first year I believe he only made about $12 million.
Jeff Hill
Yea I understand that. It was just an idea.
VAR
Those numbers were the payroll at the beginning of the season. They actually added some during the season (Castillo, Cespedes, Johnson, Drew) and subtracted some during the season (Lester, Lackey, Peavy, Drew again, Pierzinski, Gomes, Johnson again). I’m pretty sure they lost more then they took on, but I was only answering the spirit of the statement, which was they tried to cheap it out. They only went cheap when it was clear they weren’t going to win.
Rally Weimaraner
With the rate at which player FA salaries are increasing a 240 MM payroll doesn’t actually buy that many free agents. The Yankees already have 141.6 MM guarantied to only 7 players in 2015.
A 240 MM payroll would actually only cover about 12 FA contracts leaving more than half the roster still to be filled.
UltimateYankeeFan
Three of the roster spots are filled with bench or role players and 5 of the 7 bullpen spots are generally filled with failed starters/rookies or prospects. $240MM +/- should be enough.
Jays Fan 3
Kendrick makes a lot of sense for the Blue Jays and there appears to be a match with Happ + prospect. He could hit in the 2 hole in case the Jays let Melky walk if the price gets too steep.
Rally Weimaraner
Jays fan seem to really undervalue Kendrick or overvalue Happ. They both only have one year of team control remaining but Kendrick is a top 10 second baseman (career averaged 3.02 WAR per season) signed to a very affordable contract, Happ is a back of the rotation starter (career averaged 1.07 WAR per season) with very little upside.
Jays Fan 3
You’re probably right. I think it’s easy to overvalue someone you watch pitch all summer and undervalue a player you watch maybe 6 times a year. I think that’s just the nature of a sports fan. However, Kendrick would fill a huge need for the Jays. What do you think it would take to get him?
Rally Weimaraner
Drew Hutchison plus a reliever or Happ and another MLB ready starter, for example Graveman. Angels are looking for cost controlled pitching.
Jays Fan 3
Seems like a steep price for 1 year of Kendrick, I dont think AA would trade 2/5ths of his current starting rotation for a 2B. If that’s the case I would rather sign a guy like Lowrie and save the pitching depth.
Rally Weimaraner
How is that 2/5th of the Jays’ rotations? I said Hutchinson+reliever OR Happ+Graveman. Basically Hutch and Graveman fit LAA’s needs, asking for both would obviously be excessive.
Jays Fan 3
Sorry I thought it was phrased as hutchinson + reliever/Happ + MLB ready starter.
That makes a lot more sense. Happ and Graveman was what I was originally thinking when I said Happ+prospect. So you think that’s enough?
Rally Weimaraner
Probably LAA is desperate for cost controlled pitching depth like Graveman
George Bell 2
Hutchison is clearly an overpay for 1 year of Kendrick while I agree Happ is not nearly enough
Jaysfan1994 2
You might’ve noticed we traded away a guy who’s provided 2+WAR the last two seasons for a longman reliever when that batter had a modestly priced $7.5M option for 2015 and a $8.0M option for 2016. Clearly our GM is telling us pitching is more valuable than guys who hit .350 vs RHP so you can’t blame our fanbase.
I’m not disagreeing with you though, Kendrick is a very good player who’s making about 40% less than what he would be making if he were to hit the open market.
Lucas Kschischang
LOL at using WAR to determine pitchers value. GJ,GE.
It’s apples and oranges, WAR is predominantly a position player measuring stick.
Good pitching is most assuredly the most valuable asset in baseball.
Rally Weimaraner
I see no metrics which say Happ is anything other than a mediocre back of the rotation starter. ERA, ERA+, FIP, xFIP, K/9 all paint an equally uninspiring picture of Happ.
Lucas Kschischang
While I agree with that, there are other peripherals (FB velo) that point to Happ being better than his numbers are suggesting. He saw a significant uptick in velocity last year, and as a result, pitched much more effectively than in past.
DirtyJay 3
While I agree that there is nothing extraordinary special about Happ. I do believe he is outplaying his contract, which is worth something.
HoopDreams
Blue Jays should make the move for Kendrik, if not then I believe Lowrie will be their 2B
Rally Weimaraner
Do you mean Jed Lowrie or Brett Lowrie?
HoopDreams
Jed, its Brett Lawrie not Lowrie
Rally Weimaraner
In that case wouldn’t the Jay be better served by leaving Lawrie at 2B and pursuing a 3B, say Chase Headley?
HoopDreams
Doubt it, Lawrie is primarily a 3B
DirtyJay 3
I like this idea. Lawrie hasn’t yet lived up to his hype as a hitter, but he has amazing defensive capabilities. This would play more to a second baseman. We could then put a bigger bat in the 3B slot.
Jays Fan 3
Jays need to try their best to keep Lawrie at 3B. His range there helps out Reyes tremendously. He gets almost every ball to Reyes’ right.
Erik Trenouth
And do you know who has better range than Lawrie? Headley
Jays Fan 3
I don’t see them moving Lawrie to 2nd unless its a impact bat. Headley is not an impact bat
Russelmysanchez
Debatable
Bradley Maravalli
Blue Jays Logic: Trade for Kendrick. Watch him walk after 2015 because they don’t want to sign onto anyone longterm. Makes sense… Not.
Philbert
Yep… the same thing happened when they let Bautista and Encarnacion walk because they weren’t willing to sign them to extensions.
Bradley Maravalli
They signed them extensions when they were still very much in arbitration. Kendrick is one season away from Free Agency. At this point he will likely wait for Free Agency.
Jays Fan 3
If they were to get Kendrik, I don’t think they would necessarily want to sign him long term, he would be 32. You would think he’s nearing the end of his prime, especially a middle inf.
DirtyJay 3
Wouldn’t that be more conducive to Toronto’s rule to not signing a contract longer than 5 years?
Jaysfan1994 2
Wrong, please get your information right. Edwin Encarnacion signed his extension during his 2012 breakout season on a 1-year deal when he had 6.085 years of service.
Bautista was on his last year of arbitration when he signed his extension in the 2010-2011 off-season. He had 5.165 years of service going into 2011.
Jeff Todd
Would have to disagree that this is necessarily a bad strategy. High-performing veterans can be more attractive without long-term obligations. In the Jays’ situation, it’s much more appealing to add Kendrick on a reasonably-priced one-year deal than to take on, say, three years of a lesser player (Lowrie, Cabrera) at the same annual price.
MB923
Hey Cruz, if the O’s are your first choice, how about you accept the QO. You’re nearly doubles ($8 mil in 2014, $15.3 mil in 2014)
Rally Weimaraner
Robertson really needs to accept the QO. Koji Uehara just signed with the Red Sox for $9 million AAV, Jonathan Papelbon, after having his best season in years with two years for $26 million left on his contract, went completely unclaimed last August. Accepting the qualifying offer would make Robertson the highest-paid reliever in MLB history even if it’s only a one-year deal, he shouldn’t walk away from that.
cuscus85
Aren’t the Blue Jays on Kendrick’s no-trade list?
Rally Weimaraner
Yes they are but that doesn’t mean he wont approve a trade to TOR it just give Kendrick extra leverage to demand some sort of compensation for being traded.
Reaper
What do u redsox guys think about a Joc Pedersen for swihart swap? Dodgers need a good young catcher and Pedersen is a top 20 prospect but blocked.
Stonehands
Elite prospect swaps are exceedingly rare, and this one in particular doesn’t fit because the Sox don’t need OF help
Scott Berlin
Montero for Pineda, just off the top of my head.
Jeff Hill
Name one since then. He said they are rare not that they never happen.
stl_cards16
He didn’t say they never happen, they are very rare.
Sky14
Pineda wasn’t a prospect at the time either. He already logged a season in the big leagues.
Scott Berlin
I’m just pointing out they have and could happen.
Stonehands
I didn’t say they couldn’t just that this particular one probably won’t and they are rare to begin with
stl_cards16
Pederson would be just as blocked on the Sox and they need a long-term catcher.
Reaper
I think Bradley is a bust with cepedes and victrino free agents after this year I thought he would be a great pick up.
Jeff Hill
Bradley is definitely a bust, but I think it was known that he couldn’t really hit that well. Just did a little research and if you read Law’s take on him, it says, “Bradley needs to stop focusing on trying to hit for power, as it leaves him exposed against major-league pitching, and should instead stay “short on the ball” and focus on going “line-to-line”. If he does that, Law sees an above-average regular at the plate, with defense that’ll make the Fenway Faithful forget all about the departed Jacoby Ellsbury. Whether he does that immediately in 2014 is unknown, but the potential is certainly there.” And obviously that did not happen.
Bradley Maravalli
Jackie Bradley Jr. could at least be a bench player for next season. His glove work is that good that he could be on the 25-man roster next season.
Baseball597
I don’t really think Angels are going to get rid of Kendrick, unless he demands a ridiculous salary after 2015… I don’t really think the Blue Jays match up anyways. To get Kendrick, it would probably take someone like Stroman, which I doubt Blue Jays agree to that. There’s no way Angels are just dumping Kendrick here.
Daniel Morairity
How can the Yankees have good starting pitching next year if their starters can’t go at least 7 innings if they go 6
Goriax
Kendrick for Happ? Does both teams a service. Jays might have to kick in a mid level prospect but it seems like a good deal both ways.
Rally Weimaraner
1 year of a below average starter for a top 10 MLB second baseman is not a good deal for the Angels.