The Tigers have officially agreed to acquire David Price from the Rays, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The deal is a three-way trade between the Tigers, Rays, and Mariners.
Tigers center fielder Austin Jackson will go to the Mariners, with Nick Franklin (from Seattle) and Drew Smyly (from Detroit) heading to Tampa in the blockbuster. Minor league shortstop Willy Adames is also going to Tampa from Detroit in the deal, per a tweet from Rosenthal.
The move brings and end to near-ceaseless speculation regarding the now-former Rays lefty, who has been one of the game’s best pitchers in recent seasons. Still only 28, Price is under control for one more season through arbitration, though he will certainly not come cheap.
Playing this year on a $14MM salary, Price will be in line for a big raise next year. Of course, one key element of his value lies in the fact that his new club will have an opportunity to explore an extension. The reason that Price figures to draw a big salary next year is obvious: he has continued to be outstanding. At present, he owns a 3.11 ERA with a remarkable 10.0 K/9 against just 1.2 BB/9 over 170 2/3 innings.
The return for the Rays is not particularly splashy, but delivers obvious value. Smyly, 25, was outstanding last year as a reliever and has since converted into a solid starting option. He carries a 3.77 ERA through 100 1/3 innings, with 7.8 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9 and a 36.9% groundball rate. While his strikeout numbers are down since moving to the rotation, he can be controlled through 2018.
The 23-year-old Franklin, meanwhile, seemed without a future in Seattle after the club added Robinson Cano. Though he has spent time at both short and second, many observers believe he is better suited for the keystone going forward. He had a solid 2013 at the MLB level (.225/.303/.382 in 412 plate appearances), and though his numbers were off this year in limited action, Franklin has continued to swing a big stick against Triple-A pitchers.
Then, there is Adames, who could be something of a wild card in the deal. Just 18, he has a promising .269/.346/.428 slash line through 400 plate appearances at the low-A level this year. He entered the year as Baseball America’s 30th-ranked Tigers prospect, but appears to be raising eyebrows around the game.
That brings us to Seattle, which quietly managed to address its center field need without giving up an indispensable piece of the future. In fact, the 27-year-old Jackson will be at least a mid-term piece for Seattle. He is playing on a $6MM salary this year before hitting arbitration for the final time. He currently sports a .270/.330/.397 line that is approximately league average (as it was last year). With solid contributions in the field and on the bases, he is certainly an above-average big league regular.
Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com first reported that Jackson and Smyly were part of the deal (via Twitter). Mike Salk of 710 ESPN tweeted that Jackson would head to Seattle. Bob Dutton of the Tacoma News Tribune first reported Franklin’s inclusion (via Twitter).
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
ihwfvp
scherzer going somewhere?
Hoosierdaddy92
he’s a free agent after this season, so no way.
James25B
yea cus that stopped Lester from being delt
redmeansgo82
The Tigers aren’t in last place.
Hoosierdaddy92
big difference. Why trade for Price just to lose Scherzer? That’s not really an upgrade for this season which the Tigers are actually going for (The Red Sox are future planning).
GenerationInk
Price has 1 more year of control, and a year’s worth of time to extend him for $$$ Scherzer turned down. Tigers get comp pick for Schezer when he walks. It’s a huge upgrade this season because they both get to pitch in the same rotation.
Eric Murray
How does adding price to a rotation of Verlander, Scherzer, Sanchez, Porcello not improve them for this year exactly?
$114759666
Because one of those guys will not be in the rotation come October and yet they still won’t have a guy in the BP that can get lefties out.
Hoosierdaddy92
I was referring to the above post that i thought was suggesting they were trading Scherzer to get Price. Out of context
jdogg13
To Disney World, now, apparently.
Bounded
Why would they Trade Scherzer, they are making a World Series push & it would be stupid to trade their best pitcher
amoreperfectunion
No… sadface. Wish he could have stayed with the Rays. Kind of hoping this falls through…
Spencer James
This website is about to explode.
Alex K.
Disappointing, as a Tiger fan. Tigers hopefully get a bullpen arm back as well. Price is also horrible in the postseason. Why not go after Lester? Ah, well. Go Tigers!
Spencer James
Yes, but this time around he’ll have an offense that can score with the best of them.
Kevin 23
What did Lester do that offense last year?
Zack B
seriously, complaining over this?
StantonLikeMyDaddy
You’re unbelievable. If these reports are true, you pretty much just PILFERED a top 5 starting pitcher in the game.
DG
Price is the best lefty in the AL right now. I’ll take him over Lester. Plus, he’s under contract for 2015, and Lester is a free agent at the end of the season. I’m a Rays fan and deeply disappointed that this is all the Rays managed to get back for Price.
Alex K.
Forgot about that fact. Man, that A’s trade really was awful… the Tigers are still gonna miss not having Smyly in the pen in the post season. I mean, at least they have Porcello.
Priggs89
Chris Sale says hello
wallywhack
Wow. You’ve acquired an arm that is arguably better than both Verlander and Scherzer and you’re upset about not going after Lester, who is most certainly the lesser of the three?
CharlieMurphy
Most certainly the lesser of the three? I’m assuming you aren’t talking about this season. Even then, Lester has been just as dominant in the postseason if not better.
letsgogiants
No kidding, I’ve had the site crash on me about five times already.
AZDbacksfan1
This site is getting refreshed so much because of these types of trades that it’s breaking my computer. I love it.
MeowMeow
That Tigers/A’s ALCS is gonna be a lot of fun to watch
Ross G.
season aint even close to being over yet bud.
MeowMeow
The implication is that it basically is now 😛
Nicolas_C
Don’t sleep on those Angels
Ross G.
^^
MB923
All I see is a blank avatar 🙂
I Believe We Can Win
The angels who didn’t beef up the rotation? Just added street? Yeah I’m sure the Lester shark gray rotation and the scherzer verlander price rotation is something the angels can match…..
MikeTroutForMayor
Mike Trout
MiggyCabby24
Mike Trout strikes out too much. Great player, but he’s ESPN’s hype machine now. As long as you don’t pitch him down in the zone, you can get him out. He can’t handle pitches up. Classic low-ball hitter.
Rally Weimaraner
Mike Trout will pitch every post-season game 😉
Brodan
Its like you are implying the Angels won’t just outscore them 10-9
I Believe We Can Win
You seriously think you’re scoring 10 runs if all those guys go 7+? I’ve got better odds winning the lotto.
Brodan
It’s like you are implying I was being serious
Brodan
Its like you are implying the Angels won’t just outscore them 10-9
Eric Murray
Don’t need to match those rotations if,you have the lineup,to,kill those rotations….which the angels do
MiggyCabby24
Angels better hope they don’t play the O’s. They match up well with them.Won 4 out of the last 5.
Metsfan93
I’m more afraid of Sanchez and Porcello than Verlander at this point.
MiggyCabby24
Now you have Price to worry about, along with Scherzer.
Aron
The Jays are still kickin around somewhere too, we did sweep those A’s in a 4 game series and the Tigers right after. Granted it was before they got Shark and now Lester and Price but our offense, if clicking, is the best in the Majors. Especially with the trade deadline “acquisitions” of Edwin Encarnacion, Brett Lawrie and righty masher Adam Lind we should be fine. If Stroman can keep up his performance and our bull pen stays how its been during the second half of the year we’ll be in pretty much every game.
Aron
The Jays are still kickin around somewhere too, we did sweep those A’s in a 4 game series and the Tigers right after. Granted it was before they got Shark and now Lester and Price but our offense, if clicking, is the best in the Majors. Especially with the trade deadline “acquisitions” of Edwin Encarnacion, Brett Lawrie and righty masher Adam Lind we should be fine. If Stroman can keep up his performance and our bull pen stays how its been during the second half of the year we’ll be in pretty much every game.
BK
Tigers havent shown they can beat the Angels, not sure how they are gonna meet the A’s.
MeowMeow
Tigers have beat the A’s in each of the last two ALDS’s………
alphabet_soup5
Ask the A’s if they think they can beat Justin Verlander.
Metsfan93
My assumption is that assuming whoever wins the AL West is the best record in MLB, A’s/Angels would meet in the ALDS, no? And the Tigers would have the easy road: AL East winner.
Aircool
Don’t just assume that the Angels win the wild card game… its a one game playoff their pitcher could get shelled…
padresfan33
Aircool is right. Plus if the Mariners are the other wild card team, the Angels will have to play a one game playoff against Felix Hernandez.
MiggyCabby24
And that’s not a very good proposition at all.
Muhamed Mashkulli
What a crazy day
javywoz
Gotta be a 3rd team too, this last 10 min will be very interesting…
Ned L
Lester Vs Price in game 1 of the playoffs………….For Detroit and Oakland?
Kevin 23
Scherzer starts game 1 no doubt
Aron
Id go with Price
Metsfan93
Price might be marginally better, but Scherzer’s extended tenure on the Tigers will mean he’ll start, I think.
MiggyCabby24
Extended? Scherzer is gone after this season.
Aircool
by extended tenure he means the fact that he has been a Detroit Tiger for longer than a couple hours… But IMO that shouldn’t matter… best pitcher pitches Game 1 and then comes back for Game 4/5
Aircool
by extended tenure he means the fact that he has been a Detroit Tiger for longer than a couple hours… But IMO that shouldn’t matter… best pitcher pitches Game 1 and then comes back for Game 4/5
Aron
Yeah definitely a good chance he does, for the reasons you stated but I’d always want my best pitcher going first, to throw as many meaningful innings as he can
Aron
Id go with Price
Aron
Id go with Price
Bravesfan22
Wow
jljr222
“Oh” – A’s Fans
Spencer James
Tigers’ GM: “I see your move, Billy Beane. I’ll call and raise you by this Price.”
letsgogiants
Verlander expressed worry to GM Dobrowski after realizing that acquiring Lester too was for the Tigers.
TWWxKeys
Called this before the Tigers were even in talks
letsgogiants
If the Tigers-A’s do match up in the playoffs, it’s gonna be one heck of a series.
Allismileo
Wow! I was hoping the Pirates, but OK. I wonder how much the Rays got?
Ned L
Best trade day in a very long time.
Tko11
Its like Christmas!!
CHendershott
Please God no.
Seamaholic
Hmm … So Smyly from the Tigers. Who else do they have to sell, either to Rays or another team? Interesting. If JV is his usual playoff self, I dunno how you beat that team.
DarthMurph
Who goes against Oakland in Game 5 of the ALDS?
Jorge Correa
Given the standings I doubt we’ll see another DET-OAK ALDS. My money’s on OAK-LAA and DET-BAL in the ALDS.
Mark Eisner
Jered Weaver
mlbaustin
I don’t think the A’s will play the Tigers in ALDS. Doesn’t the wild card winner play the team with the best record? More thank likely, the best record will come out of the West, and the Tigers win the division. So the only way they play is in the ALCS.
rizdak
Someone on short rest
Chris Vinnit
Smyly is a hard trade chip to beat. If Taillon hadn’t gotten TJ and pitched 5-6 starts this season, the Bucs could’ve been in on it but right now they are more offering hopes and dreams than ready for MLB guys.
Andrew Collins
Various reports are Price to Detroit, sounds like Zobrist going to Pirates, Rays getting Marte and prospects.
GameMusic3
That is a bad deal for the Pirates
Andrew Collins
Austin Jackson and Drew Smyly going to the Mariners, Nick Franklin heading to Tampa
OppoPower
Just make something else up.
Andrew Collins
dont hold your breathe
oaklandfan22
Lets go Oakland!!!
troy
YAY! Now we wait for the damage.
Karl Larson
I thought they didn’t have a farm system…
GrayhawkAZ
Three team deal
dc21892
Awesome trade deadline.
BobMarley22
Anybody remember last years trade deadline and the big player that moved was Drew Butera? Good times
EightMileCats
I didn’t think we had enough pieces to make this happen
CHendershott
Dombrowski is pulling Austin Jackson from the White Sox game now!!
Jim Smith
7th inning, mid-inning and R. Davis replaced him in CF. AJax appears to be headed out of town
CHendershott
Yup. Going to the Mariners?
Jim Smith
appears to be, depending on who ends up where
CHendershott
Guess is prospects/Smyly to Rays, Jackson to M’s, Price to Tigers. Depending on the prospects, Smyly to Mariners?
Jim Smith
AJax is the money guy so it makes sense that he would go to Seattle because it appears the Rays are shedding payroll. Smyly does appear to be the other piece, he probably goes back to Tampa. Also they just said Dombrowski came down from upstairs to notify Ausmus to pull AJax.
DarthMurph
This essentially takes the Tigers out of the Scherzer sweepstakes. Probably for the best. Boras can’t be happy.
Pei Kang
Wow, I did not see that coming! okay, I was totally wrong, one of the best trade deadlines I can remember. so much action….and there’s still the waiver-wire deadline to boot.
vtncsc
ONLY Nick Franklin?
letsgogiants
There has to be more. Heck, the Mariners look like they have a better return thus far.
MadThespian
Right? A decent bat without giving up any of the young pitching. I like this deal. Might be too little too late though.
mlbaustin
That’s all the Rays got for Price? That seems weak.
vtncsc
Seriously, Atlanta should have made a play for Price if that’s all it took.
Tony Gonsalez 2
If only the NBA and NFL trade deadlines were this exciting, just love reading all the rumors leading up to the deadline and trades that happen out of nowhere.
lonechicken
Yeah, seriously. It’s all about players in baseball trades. In the NBA you’d think the teams only cared about expiring contracts, mid-level exceptions, Bird exceptions, and sign-and-trades.
SouthsideChicagoFan
So the White Sox do nothing, don’t get rid of dead weight, don’t pick up any body and now the best pitcher in baseball goes to their rival despite the Tigers having a worse farm system than the Sox. White Sox might as well go all in on a full rebuild and trade Sale, Quintana, Abreu et al in the offseason and just try to restock. They are going to be bad for a long time.
Evan
Kershaw didn’t go to their rivals.
SouthsideChicagoFan
Hyperbole my man, LOL. I’m just REALLY PO’d at the Sox right now.
Evan
it will be ok man. Price is like the 8th best lol. So no worries then.
Evan
it will be ok man. Price is like the 8th best lol. So no worries then.
Tigers94
the Tigers traded MLB players, something the White Sox have like 4 of
Nicolas_C
There have to be prospects heading to Tampa, don’t worry
barry2
Surprise, surprise good for DD. No teasing Tigers about the farm system going forward.
Ross G.
wow Smyly just pitched in today’s game!
calamityfrancis
What a terrible get for the Rays.
Rally Weimaraner
DD must have some serious dirt on Friedman, he just got robbed!
Liberalism is a Mental Disease
Smyly and Jackson are a part of this deal for Price.
Mac Mckinnon
Austin Jackson just pulled from game.
Van Hunsberger
austin jasckson just left the game for the tigers. must be part of the trade 🙁
redmeansgo82
Ummm…. Rays just got robbed for Price. Nick Franklin’s all they could bring in? I find this trade confounding considering what lesser pitchers are bringing in.
Alex Foltz
Smyly and Nick freakin Franklin to TB? That’s it!?
Kevin6CD
Smyly’s going to Seattle lol EDIT: Article updated, Smyly to TB of course.
Alex Foltz
Jon Heyman just reported Smyly to TB. No way Smyly would go to Seattle in this deal
Kevin6CD
Just going off of what was in the post, guy.
letsgogiants
That makes a little more sense. But I would have to think another piece would be going to Tampa to make more sense for trading a guy who arguably has been the face of the franchise.
vailb
a prospect ss
Spencer James
Mariners are the winners of this trade if there aren’t any prospects moving around.
Chris Vinnit
Wait, what? Smyly to Seattle, not Tampa? The centerpiece of the deal was a pop gun hitting SS? That can’t be right. If they took that deal, man, that’s terrible.
nate-6
nick franklin for david price… are you kidding me?!?
jesse heiman
Jackson and smyly
Frittoman626
If Smyly and Jackson are going to the Mariners Walker better be going to Tampa, not just Franklin.
Allismileo
I thought the Rays were good at making deal? Nick Franklin and Drew Smylyl?!?! Scott Shields was worth a lot more two years ago I guess…
Hodor
Scott’s cousin James Shields was worth a lot more too.
Allismileo
Haha! You are probably right. (Whoops)
Sean Grogan
How is this a good deal for the Rays? Did they acquire anyone other than Nick Franklin?
slasher016 2
There obviously has to be more to the deal.
Ace2095
There HAS to be more then Franklin going to TB, Walker? Paxton?
Eric Murray
I hope the rays got more than Nick Franklin lol
Alex Foltz
It’s gotta be
Price to Det
Jackson to Sea
Smyly and Franklin to TB
Even that is STILL a weak deal for Seattle and TB
Ray Ray 4
I think it is a great get for the Mariners in exchange for their odd man out. Jackson is a strong CF.
padresfan33
Mariners turn a guy who hasn’t proven he can play full time at the big league level into a big league regular. Not a great deal, but certainly not weak for Seattle
Tony Gonsalez 2
Will Verlander say that the Tigers made the trade because of the A’s after his comments on the Sumardzija trade?
Alex Foltz
exactly. They reacted to what Oakland was doing.
Christopher Giles
I’d say they made the trade because it was an absolute steal. I don’t care what any other team is doing, if I’m a GM and that offer is on the table I take it 100% of the time.
Yankees420
Seriously. I am in awe that this is all Friedman got for Price (even with the SS prospect). Even as a Yankee fan, I hope the Rays get more than this for their ace. Maybe somehow there are still details that are unreported? Though I doubt it with MLBTR’s writers,
Seamaholic
Someone else is going from Sea to TB. Has to be.
Nicholas Adams
Settle down folks… when news is reported before the story is complete, expect to get incomplete information.
Ace2095
Zobrist to Pirates so apparently they get Pirates prospects?
Puig Power
Has to be more. Dodgers could beat this
Alex Foltz
Dodgers COULD, but wouldn’t. They didn’t wanna let go of their prospects
Kolukonu
The Rays only got Nick Franklin in the deal? Wow.
slasher016 2
Smyly too.
amoreperfectunion
Uhh even Franklin + Smyly seems selling low on Price.
slasher016 2
Agreed, feel like there is more coming.
Kolukonu
Ah, when I first saw the post it had Jackson and Smyly going to Seattle.
DieHardMsFan
Wow….we are trading Franklin for Jackson/Smyly….if that is all we are giving up lol…has to be more just has to be…
vtncsc
You get Jackson. Rays get Franklin/Smyly
DieHardMsFan
Yeah I saw that. Makes more sense now. Guess was an error by MLBTR….
DieHardMsFan
Yeah I saw that. Makes more sense now. Guess was an error by MLBTR….
vtncsc
Still seems weak.
OhioSox 2
There has to be more to this deal than Smyly and Franklin.
DippityDoo
Wow, today is nuts.
sascoach2003
Watching the White Sox game and Jackson was just replaced mid-inning by Davis…he’s going somewhere
Hock13
There has to be more to this….
GrayhawkAZ
For the Rays it better be more than Smyly and Franklin coming to them…
nate-6
smyly and franklin is better but their still better be more than that… we got myers for shields
Trock
That is what I was thinking after reading who was involved. Price is under contract for another year and a far superior pitcher then Shields. There has got to be more involved then this.
attgig
huge trading deadline…two aces moved in a day. both out of the AL east. crazy.
Yankeeboy11
It’s smyly and franklin to Tampa
benong88
If Tampa only gets Nick Franklin they should have just dealt Price to the Cardinals and got back Taveras and either Miller/Martinez. If thats all they’re getting Tampa should regret dangling Price this entire week and waiting until the last minute to settle for this kind of deal.
CHendershott
I’m guessing Smyly to Seattle and M’s send prospects to Tampa.
W.G
If Rays only get Smyly and Franklin… wow
Eric Murray
Cards could’ve beaten that by just giving up Oscar taveras and Shelby,Miller…
Trock
Shoot at this point I would of settled for the Rays only getting OT for Price. Sometimes you have to take the quality over quantity. I would much rather see OT on the Rays then Smyly and Franklin
Eric Murray
I’ve been following this all day….honestly can’t believe this was the best the rays were offered. Makes me think the taveras rumors were just rumors and MO never put,him on the table
Eric Murray
Kelly and Craig would’ve been a better return than this lol
Alex Foltz
They probably would have made that deal if Mozeliak had ever offered OT plus Miller/Martinez. All reports out of Cards camp have been that OT was never really on the table
benong88
You’re right. But it just seems like if Tampa had pushed for it they could have gotten much more out of St. Louis for Price than what Seattle is offering, even if Oscar Taveras is not involved. Especially since Mo has gone after Lackey and Masterson now.
benong88
You’re right. But it just seems like if Tampa had pushed for it they could have gotten much more out of St. Louis for Price than what Seattle is offering, even if Oscar Taveras is not involved. Especially since Mo has gone after Lackey and Masterson now.
benong88
You’re right. But it just seems like if Tampa had pushed for it they could have gotten much more out of St. Louis for Price than what Seattle is offering, even if Oscar Taveras is not involved. Especially since Mo has gone after Lackey and Masterson now.
Kingmojo101
Sherzer vs Lester
Price vs shark
Verlander vs gray
Sanchez vs kazmir
Porcello vs hammels/Chavez
And to think the winner if the ALCS will potentially go against kershaw,greinke,ryu,Beckett,
bigbadjohnny
#5 pitchers will be for long relief in a playoff series
Evan
You don’t have five pitchers going in the playoffs. You use three, maybe four. it would be lester shark grey kazmir.
MilkMeMore
Billy Beane is shaking his head right now…
Kingmojo101
Billy Beane said “here we go again”… (tosses chair in the hallway)
Rally Weimaraner
Tampa must have gotten more than Franklin and Smyly for Price.
orangeoctober
That’s it? Nick Franklin and Drew Smyly for this year and next year of Price?
Guest 3657
Walker looks to be going to Tampa too. Though the reactionary comments were hilarious.
thenewyorkfan05
he was just hungry lol!
thenewyorkfan05
he was just hungry lol!
tjhall23
Walker stays w/Mariners
baseballbeisbol
What a steal for Seattle then. Love the trade for them.
Guest 3656
possibly walker is included
tjhall23
Wrong
twigTOLLESON08
That’s all the Rays get for Price? Wow….
Guest 3655
No
Met Fan 4 Life
What an underwhelming return for someone like Price!
Met Fan 4 Life
That’s what happens when the Rays sign their players to long term team friendly contracts. It gets to the big money years and the Rays toss them away, even for a
lesser value. It’s the Rays ownership’s equivalent to an “eat and bolt”.
twigTOLLESON08
If Walker is going to Rays also it makes it better
jesse heiman
Watch Scherzer sign with Red Sox when Lester doesn’t come back and signs with Yankees or Dodgers in offseason
Jbruns318
I can’t believe this is all the Rays are getting.
Chris Vinnit
If Tijuan Walker posts are true, Walker + Smyly + Franklin for Price is actually a pretty decent haul.
javywoz
Yep, thats 3 ML’s for 1 with too many years of control for me to count out right now
tjhall23
Walker stays w/Mariners
Jbruns318
Just Smyly +Franklin, awful deal IMO.
slasher016 2
Wait for more details before overreacting…this came together quickly, doubtful this is all the pieces.
GrayhawkAZ
Need more than Walker also for Tampa….
Alex Foltz
not to mention, giving up Walker out of Seattle for Austin Jackson doesn’t really seem like a good deal for Seattle
Spencer VonHershman
…Why do people keep saying that there’s more going from Seattle to Tampa? Seattle isn’t paying for David Price, the Tigers are. Nick Franklin for Austin Jackson is pretty good straight across.
CHendershott
If Seattle also gets Smyly though….
Kevin6CD
They’re not. The post just wasn’t correct on first publish.
Kevin6CD
They’re not. The post just wasn’t correct on first publish.
CHendershott
If Seattle also gets Smyly though….
Spencer VonHershman
…Why do people keep saying that there’s more going from Seattle to Tampa? Seattle isn’t paying for David Price, the Tigers are. Nick Franklin for Austin Jackson is pretty good straight across.
Chris Turner
and stephen drew to the yankees!!!!…..kidding
letsgogiants
The real blockbuster of the trading deadline.
southerndodgerfan21
And the Dodgers get Darwin Barney. Maybe he secretly can take the mound for Haren and Beckett every 4th and 5th day. Ned’s is incompetent.
southerndodgerfan21
And the Dodgers get Darwin Barney. Maybe he secretly can take the mound for Haren and Beckett every 4th and 5th day. Ned’s is incompetent.
gnats
What a terrible return for the Rays.
gnats
What a terrible return for the Rays.
Robbieb7
There’s gotta be more to this. The rays and mariners would be losing BIG TIME
Todd Smith
Austin Jackson for Nick Franklin is alright to me. Rays need more than just Franklin and Smyly though.
Robbieb7
I thought they were also sending Walker to Tampa. I’ll just wait for more info.
Todd Smith
Austin Jackson for Nick Franklin is alright to me. Rays need more than just Franklin and Smyly though.
NimbusStev
Ugh, Detroit was the last place I wanted to see Price end up. Looks like the AL Central is officially theirs.
cgriffith
You had doubts?
NimbusStev
Well the Indians and Royals kind of dropped off recently, but for the first time in years the Tigers actually looked touchable.
cgriffith
You had doubts?
Jon 27
Did Zobrist get traded or not?
Seamaholic
I was gonna say … where does Franklin play?
Seamaholic
I was gonna say … where does Franklin play?
Danielle Rennifer
To the Pirates.
Jon 27
have seen no confirmation from anything other than in passing on ESPN
Kyle 16
What did the Pirates give up?
Hoosierdaddy92
Dave Dombrowski has done it again. Extends the Tigers’ championship window by an extra year and gives them the leverage they need to let Scherzer walk after this season if he can’t agree to their terms. Love it. Just wish we could have snagged a an effective lefty reliever in the deal as well.
Hoosierdaddy92
Dave Dombrowski has done it again. Extends the Tigers’ championship window by an extra year and gives them the leverage they need to let Scherzer walk after this season if he can’t agree to their terms. Love it. Just wish we could have snagged a an effective lefty reliever in the deal as well.
Alex Foltz
Sean Doolittle @whatwouldDOOdo 2m
*lowers sunglasses*
“They made that trade because of us”
*raises sunglasses*
Alex Foltz
Sean Doolittle @whatwouldDOOdo 2m
*lowers sunglasses*
“They made that trade because of us”
*raises sunglasses*
faceforest
Walker is going to Tampa.
Spencer VonHershman
… Why in the world would Seattle trade Walker and Franklin for Austin Jackson.
Jonathan Barlock
They are saying its just Franklin to Tampa. Whew!
Jonathan Barlock
They are saying its just Franklin to Tampa. Whew!
CHendershott
How would you feel if M’s also got Smyly? Only way this makes sense for them or the Rays. SO far Tigers win HUGE on this one.
Seamaholic
Confirmed? That would make it a fine deal for TB, highway robbery for the Tigers. M’s get completely hosed.
Danielle Rennifer
Hope the Mariners also receive Ian Krol if not mentioned yet as a fifth starter.
Danielle Rennifer
Hope the Mariners also receive Ian Krol if not mentioned yet as a fifth starter.
Jon 27
Per Jon Heyman “mariners got austin jackson and send franklin to tampa. thats all of seattle’s involvement.”
Gumby65
Heyman squashed walker part
yawn
thats it? That seems kinda minor.
thenewyorkfan05
no walker. thars crazy rays were jipped
thenewyorkfan05
no walker. thars crazy rays were jipped
MeowMeow
Feels like Tampa is also getting a pretty low return (unless there are more prospects heading Tampa’s way?). People just aren’t paying for pitchers today o.O
JacobyWanKenobi
There’s probably more headed to tampa. There’s gotta be right?
Jesus Gutierrez
nothing from Seattle confirmed
Danielle Rennifer
Is there a minor leaguer heading to Seattle too?
MeowMeow
If not this is a huge lose for Tampa, when they could still have gone after a WC spot and go after another trade in the winter
bobbleheadguru
Smyly is a lefty and has accomplished more at his age than many top prospects. People seem to overvalue prospects and undervalue young players that already are playing in the major leagues.
MeowMeow
Tampa should have just gotten MORE. Like, in addition to Franklin and Smyly.
yewed
agree. seems like could have gotten more this offseason, even it was
for only a year of price.
MeowMeow
Feels like Tampa is also getting a pretty low return (unless there are more prospects heading Tampa’s way?). People just aren’t paying for pitchers today o.O
TheBigNice
Hayman is saying no Walker.
TheBigNice
Per MLB network
TheBigNice
Hayman is saying no Walker.
Alex Foltz
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 1m
mariners got austin jackson and send franklin to tampa. thats all of seattle’s involvement.
d-blaqueqq
Oh, rays…
DieHardMsFan
No Walker ? Sweet!!!!!! Hope Walker/Paxton get healthy and regain some value so we can acquire another bat in the offseason
Alex Foltz
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 1m
mariners got austin jackson and send franklin to tampa. thats all of seattle’s involvement.
bobbleheadguru
So Verlander is in the bullpen then? OK that will fix the bullpen issue (think 2012 Lincecum)
Jon 27
Their needs to be like 5PTBNLs in this trade
Raylan Givens' Stetson
Everybody wins! Oh wait, I forgot about the Rays, they don’t win at all.
Bryce Gonzalez
Is this the whole trade? Please tell me this is a joke
slasher016 2
There’s probably one more piece going from Detroit to Tampa.
baseballbeisbol
I’d have to think that is assuredly going to happen.
Chris Vinnit
Except Detroit doesn’t have any attractive pitching prospects except Smyly. Man, if Walker isn’t involved and the Rays don’t get one more high end prospect, they got really hosed.
James X.
I don’t see how Walker would be involved with the M’s only getting Austin Jackson in return.
Danielle Rennifer
Also to Seattle w/ Jackson.
AdamAE24
Thats it? Tampa turned down Addison Russell and settled for Smyly and Nick Franklin?
philpbarnes
If this is the whole trade… what on earth are the Rays doing?!
PhilliesPhan4102
They got a potential ace and a young second basemen who could break out.
Danny Phillips
In no way is Smyly a potential ace.
PhilliesPhan4102
Looking at his stats now, the Rays gave Price away.
$3513744
they are trying to make up for the shields trade
Christopher Hoffa
there’s no way nobody topped that offer for Price….how in the world did he just get traded for freaking Nick Franklin & Drew Smyly
Ace2095
Seattle got a pretty good deal on Jackson, only having to give up Franklin.
McNasty
A steal!!!
Ace2095
9 to be exact.
McNasty
HA, I see what you did there.
Seamaholic
Holy Moly. Major fail in Tampa unless there’s something missing. No minor leaguers in this whole deal? That doesn’t sound right.
W.G
So far:
Rays get: Nick Franklin and Drew Smyly
Tigers get: David Price
Mariners get: Austin Jackson
cgriffith
1a. Max Sherzer 2013 Cy Young Winner
1b. David Price 2012 Cy Young Winner
3. Anibal Sanchez
4. Justin Verlander
Playoffs – Porcello to the bullpen with is great sinker
Ace2095
Verlander 2011 Cy Young, they have the last 3 CY Young winners.
Light_tower_power
Who cares…Verlander is on the decline
Ace2095
You never know, he could heat up down the stretch and the rest could be history. Just look at Lester last year. Had a bad run of starts and then managed to heat up when it mattered most which is what the best players are able to do
Kirk Edward Gerwin
Verlander did the same thing last year. Was pretty bad most of the season and then torched the A’s during the post season…..again
Ace2095
I think Verlander could very well heat up when it matters most because he seem to do the best when he’s under pressure and it’s fun to watch 🙂
TheBigNice
Rays must really love Smyly
Chris Turner
tampa fans are going to be frowny
Ace2095
Is Jackson the only one who left the tigers game?
TheBigNice
Yes, but trade went down after Smyly was already out of the game
Ace2095
So the remaining players if there are any are probably prospects, which is what I was checking for.
cgriffith
Smyly was traded to he pitched today
Joseph Kraus
I’m getting sick……..
bighiggy
Thats all tampa got? Cards could have offered way more
BitLocker
Pretty underwhelming trade for David Price. I would have thought TB would have gotten more.
Joseph Kraus
If this holds out, me and the other 40 fans down here in St Pete are gonna RIOT!!!
bigbadjohnny
Lots of cane waving and wheel chairs tying up traffic around the stadium ?
Joseph Kraus
More worried about the thug that’s gonna rob me coming out….
Todd Smith
I think a lot of fans of other teams will riot too, I feel like most teams could have beat a Smyly/Franklin deal for Price.
Todd Smith
I think a lot of fans of other teams will riot too, I feel like most teams could have beat a Smyly/Franklin deal for Price.
ZeelandCap
That’s all Rays got?! dang
TRAPstar
Nick Franklin + Drew Smyly? That’s it? Wow…
Jon 27
Per Dan Zymbroski “There’s Zobrist talk, but from the people I’m on the phone with the last couple minutes, nobody’s actually sure if it’s real.”
SheaGoodbye
Detroit has to be sending some good prospects along with smyly to the Rays…right? This cannot be all there is to this deal.
Jon 27
Yankees got Martin Prado
bigbadjohnny
sounds like Rays gave away Price.
halflink123
This is a pretty nice deal for everyone involved, especially I would say Tampa as they get a nice SS and starter for Price who was a great pitcher but never quite elite elite and plus was horrible in the playoffs historically
Alex Foltz
David Price, not Carey Price. We are talking baseball.
timmytwostep
This is a terrible deal for Tampa, so much so everyone thinks something is missing.
halflink123
I dont see why tho, Smyly has a chance to be almost as good as Price in fact if going by WAR Price has been pretty overrated except for 1 year.
Yankees420
Looking exclusively at one stat is rather erroneous, especially when there’s been disputes over how well WAR really judges a pitcher’s value.
Also if you used bWAR it shows Price’s career as a roller coaster (which I believe is b/c they use ERA+, but I’m not quite sure) whereas fWAR has Price as a consistent 4-5 win pitcher every year since 2010.
Look at his other stats – In ’11 and ’12 his K/BB rates were nearly identical – 3.46 to 3.47. In ’13 he learned to walk significantly less batters, which caused a slight drop in his K/9, but his K/BB skyrocketed to 5.59. This year it’s sitting at 8.22 because he’s maintained his control (BB/9 of 1.21) but increased his K/9 from 7.2 to 9.9. The guy is a stud and is truly learning how to pitch rather than always relying on his “stuff.”
Smyly has a long way to go before he “has the chance to be almost as good as Price.” Assuming we’re talking about Smyly staying as a SP – I agree his RP numbers are impressive.
halflink123
Yes good points. However (and I agree that the Rays shoulve gotten more for Price), Price has never had a season where he beat Cliff Lee’s best seson(s). Cliff Lee has 2 years left on his deal @ $25M and yet I feel that the trade market would value the 2 very very differently
halflink123
keep in mind also the Rays are definitely in the running this year and this helps them NOW AND in the future, as they can slot Franklin and Smyly right into their club without having to wait. Yea overall I like this deal though I agree they wouldve gotten more had the players been farther away from the majors
yawn
lol no.
halflink123
I’m simply saying that of all the deals done today this one makes the most sense to me…the rays basically replace Price and get a SS to boot. Sure wouldve been nice if they got a Catcher but at least they didnt get ripped off like Boston with a rent a player. The Mets had a good strategy here, this was a very weak trade deadline as far return in terms of prospects
yawn
lol no.
bobbleheadguru
Tigers Rotation =
2013 Cy Young +
2013 ERA Champion +
2012 Cy Young +
2011 Cy Young +
A 25 year old with 73 career wins.
GrayhawkAZ
Drew Smyly is an average pitcher
SierraM363
I like the Lester deal better.
SheaGoodbye
As do I and every other rational human being on the planet.
Jaynestown
There is no way that’s it
barry2
Is there a salary dump? Smyly 5th starter/reliever and Franklin hasn’t don’t much.
Better
W
O
W
What just happened?
SheaGoodbye
I almost feel like crying out of embarrassment for Rays fans if this is all there is to the deal. Unfathomable.
Houstoncolt45s
Sooooo…who plays centerfield for the tigers now? Do they call up Carrera? Fields? Trust Dirks or Davis? Yikes. Glad they are bolstering their rotation though.
cgriffith
Stephen Moya?
Houstoncolt45s
Moya is primarily a RF. That .300 OBP is disturbing, especially since it’s only AA. I’ll take Carrera if it comes down to those two.
Hello it's Dick again
Carrera
PaidByTheNotes
has to be more going to TB. otherwise freidman got fleeced.
yawn
So all Tampa got was Smily and Franklin.. no prospects? Thats it?
wow.
northsfbay
You would think that the Rays could get more for Price. Why do the M’s want Austin Jackson?
Mario_Lanza
Because they haven’t had a center fielder in years.
Kevin6CD
They still don’t.
Kevin6CD
They still don’t.
Chris Vinnit
So Franklin and Smyly for Price? Wow, Friedman got more for Kazmir, Shields, and Garza than he got for the best pitcher the team ever had!
Todd Smith
The Pirates could have offered Morton and Hanson and beat this deal. I don’t get it at all.
Chris Vinnit
I know. I will give Smyly credit for being better than Morton but this reads like Kingham + Hanson for Price. If I were Huntington, I would’ve made that deal so fast Friedman’s office would’ve gotten the contract before he hung up the phone. Just an absolutely mind-bogglingly meager return.
johansantana15
The Dodgers could have offered Pederson and Guerrero and destroyed this deal
Hoosierdaddy92
For all the people saying the Rays didn’t get enough, this is Andrew Friedman we are talking about. He obviously saw something he liked in both Franklin and Smyly and good for him for getting the guys he wants. As a Tigers fan, I can tell you Smyly has the potential to be an elite starting pitcher. I was really hoping we didn’t deal him and were able to keep him as a dominant lefty out of the pen. As for Franklin, he looked like a burgeoning power hitter at a tough position last year with the Mariners before he cooled off and lost his opportunity abruptly. If the Rays can bring that out of him again, this could be a very good deal.
PhilliesPhan4102
The Rays should have gotten Castellanos.
Hoosierdaddy92
Rays have Longoria long-term? And Tigers would create one big hole to upgrade where they really didn’t need to. DD would not budge on Castellanos.
TheBigNice
I don’t know about elite. He’s good, yeah, but he’s no Price.
Hoosierdaddy92
Not currently, but if any organization can develop him into something close, it’s the Rays
TheBigNice
Maybe. Don’t get me wrong, I like Smyly, he’s good. Watched all his starts this year (Tigers fan) but, unless he develops Cliff Lee-esq command, I’m not sure there’s much ceiling left with him. Either way, he’ll do good things for the Rays.
bigbadjohnny
Rays GM must want to work at the Tigers FO after this season.
Rally Weimaraner
The Cubs got a better return for 2 months of Garza than the Rays got for Price!
PaidByTheNotes
exaclty
Brodan
This doesn’t change the triangle at all. Tigers will always own A’s, A’s will always own Angels and the Angels will always own the Tigers. It is clockwork.
seth
This is the complete trade? Seriously????
UpSide
Looks like this trade will put an end to everyone thinking the Rays sell high or bargain hard.. Well and truly done over in this one. Tigers laughing
PaidByTheNotes
baffling why they wouldn’t keep price if that’s all they got. could have done much better.
Danielle Rennifer
Did the Mariners get Colon or Cespedes at the last minute deal? If not both could be put on waivers.
Jon 27
The Astros got more for Jarred Cosart then the Rays did for Price
nate-6
I was just about to say that
nate-6
this cannot be all there is… there’s no way friedman would make this trade
Salty Dog
The fact is the market has adjusted. Several years ago, sure, you’d get multiple top prospects for the final two years of an elite SP, e.g. Adam Jones/Chris Tillman + 2 others for Erik Bedard. Times have changed. Teams are now properly valuing prospects, which is why you’re seeing more trades involving major league players rather than prospects (e.g. Cespedes and Smyly). I think everyone saying the Rays got fleeced is living in the past. This is the new market reality.
$3513744
no man, they got fleeced. big time. especially with the packages that have been rumored with seattle for weeks now.
Better
Fleeced
RHova87
tell that to THEO LOLOL
PaidByTheNotes
oh how short our memories have become… samardzjia and hammel for russel, mckinney and straily. garza just last year, for olt, ramirez, grimm and edwards. both of those deals are better returns for lesser pitchers, and both relatively recent trades.
PaidByTheNotes
not to mention the marlins dealing moran and marisnik for cosart. freidman got hosed. plain and simple.
Salty Dog
The fact is the market has adjusted. Several years ago, sure, you’d get multiple top prospects for the final two years of an elite SP, e.g. Adam Jones/Chris Tillman + 2 others for Erik Bedard. Times have changed. Teams are now properly valuing prospects, which is why you’re seeing more trades involving major league players rather than prospects (e.g. Cespedes and Smyly). I think everyone saying the Rays got fleeced is living in the past. This is the new market reality.
lambird17
So they wanted at the very least Taveras + Miller/Martinez for Price from the Cards but only got Franklin and Smyly for him? Wow
Eric Murray
Yeah I’m thinking the same thing lol Kelly and Craig would’ve been a better return
billy f
There are no cowbells ringing in the Trop for this trade.
yawn
Verlander
Price
Sanchez
Scherzer
Porcello
damn thats nice
Nathan Fenstemaker
Max?
yawn
lol oops my fault
Kevin6CD
+1’d for completely genuine “Matt Scherzer”
Dynasty22
Verlander isn’t an ace this year.
$3513744
fixed:
dustin verlander
mark price
dirty sanchez
matt scherzer
porcello
DelusionalCubsFan
I don’t know a lot about the guys the Rays got but it sure looks to me like the Tigers won this trade. Thought for sure Price would have brought back a couple of elite prospects. Sure makes me happy TheoJed jumped the deadline on everybody and traded Samardzija and Hammel weeks ago.
letsgogiants
The Mariners seriously couldn’t beat this offer by themselves? Price would have been a great addition along with Price and Iwakuma and would have made things very, very interesting in the AL West.
GD
What TB got back is compared to:
Elias and Franlklin for Price. Wow
Baseball Legend
That’s a pretty weak trade for the Rays. They should have waited until the offseason.
Jon 27
Maybe there’s like $50 million involved?
Jon 27
Or Maybe the Tigers are gonna build the Rays stadium for them?
W.G
Wow, that is the final deal… I would of thought STL or LA would of put together a better package
Baseball Legend
There were some really bad deals made today by a few teams and the Rays just caped off the worst of the bunch after an afternoon of the Red Sox making one bad deal after another. Believe it or not, but the Yanks and Tigers are clear winners this year. The Yanks got McCarthy, Headley, Drew, and Prado for virtually nothing. The Tigers, well, I am still wrapping my head around that. The Red Sox got worse now, next year and in 2016.
d-blaqueqq
Lol Yanks aren’t even going to finish in the wild card. But I agree, the AL East did pretty bad today as a whole.
TWWxKeys
This probably means Scherzer walks this offseason
GenerationInk
Guarantees it. thats ok im of the opinion getting one more year and negotiating time with Price is worth letting Scherzer walk
DRays Jim
As a Rays fan…I’m just stunned.
bigbadjohnny
all 40 of them I bet.
DRays Jim
You would think; but to be honest there are a lot of us. TV ratings are very high…we just don’t want to drive over that damn bridge.
Nathan Boley
Is the bridge really that bad? In Pittsburgh we have more bridges than anyone and we have you beat in attendance handily.
DRays Jim
Yes; it really is. By the time most get out of work in Tampa, fight traffic to go home and get the kids then turn to fight traffic again for easily 30-45 minutes or more…the game has already started. To do this 82 times a year is crazy. The dome is surrounded halfway by water and the other 50% does not have enough households to fill the stadium in a 10 mile radius. Take the same percentage of people that go to the game now and put it were the people are in Tampa and using the same percentage and you will double the attendance nightly. The main question is how does it get paid for and what does it take to payoff the lease in St. Pete.
SheaGoodbye
Another piece, thank good for the Rays. But who the hell is Willy Adames?
JacksTigers
18 year old playing very well in A ball. Could be something, could fizzle.
RHova87
if hitting .269 in the midwest league is your definition of playing well…
SheaGoodbye
Youngest player in the league, so that’s pretty good considering.
Slothcliff Hokum
If all the Mariners have had to give up for Austin Jackson, Kendrys Morales and Chris Dinorfia is Nick Franklin, Steven Pryor, Abraham Almonte and minor-league pitcher Stephen Kohlscheen, I think that’s pretty decent. Not glamorous moves, but the M’s have a more reliable everyday guy in CF now, and a better backup OF who has hit lefties well in his career. (And a DH who might start hitting at some point!) 🙂
LordOfTheSwings
Red Sox arguably got more for Lackey than the Rays got for Price…
That arguable would be much better if Allen Craig bounces back… pretty big if though I’ll admit, he looks pretty bad.
Edit: I see that they also got a prospect… I personally don’t know anything about him, so this post may now be less accurate depending on how good he is.
Eric Murray
They should’ve offered kelly/Craig for price,lol
Aron
This seriously can’t be it. It CAN’T be. How do the Mariners just give up Nick Franklin and turn that into Austin Jackson, a proven CFer who can hit for avg. and power. And the Tigers only give up Jackson and Smyly for a young cheap CY Young winner with another year of control????
Baseball Legend
This trade was a mistake all around and I wouldn’t trust Jack Z for a moment.
westcoastwhitesox
I think AJackson is a better, higher-potential, more complete player than most of the guys Jack Z is able to deal with. However, I sincerely hope Jackson doesn’t take it too hard he was traded away from a worldseries contender. Aside from Kemp (who’d cost too much), I haven’t been excited about any batters rumored to be in play for the Mariners, but I am excited about this!
Eric Murray
Cards should’ve offered Kelly and Craig for price….this has to be a joke
Unassisted Triple Play
Did the Rays panic? Maybe i’m drastically underrating drew smyly. What no one is talking about is that the Mariners just traded Nick Franklin for Austin Jackson! Yes, that is quite the coup especially since franklin is blocked by some dude named robinson cano. Mariners, job well done!
Jon 27
Tigers #3 Prospect 18 yr old SS Willy Adames included per Ken Rosenthal
nate-6
im still hoping for more
SheaGoodbye
Still not enough but a big step in the right direction.
Eric Murray
That’s still next to nothing…I figured they would get more ML ready prospects
slasher016 2
As expected, another piece going from Detroit to Tampa.
Kingmojo101
Thats it?, angels could have gave the rays grant green, michael kohn, and tyler skaggs/matt shoemaker/hector santiago in a deal.
GrayhawkAZ
So Seattle gets Jackson for Franklin…. Thats it? Wow.. Great trade for Seattle
Hoosierdaddy92
You have to wonder how much of this DD planned for this blockbuster in the offseason for this year and 2015 in the event that they couldn’t resign Scherzer. Trades Fister away to show the league what Smyly can do, trades Fielder away and relies on Castellanos and JD Martinez replacing Fielder offense, gets Kinsler to be the new leadoff hitter instead of Austin Jackson, and surprisingly signs Rajai Davis to a two year deal (who can play CF and effectively replace Austin Jackson production). Not saying he could predict Austin Jackson and Smyly would net this much talent, but still, impressive.
yawn
Boston fans can’t feel that bad considering what Tampa got
Salty Dog
Unless I’m missing something, the Mariners only control Jackson through 2015, and he’ll be in his last year of arbitration, which means he’s probably going to get a raise to something like $9 million. He’s a useful asset, but it’s not like they’re getting him for multiple pre-arbitration years or anything.
Tony Matias
Franklin had no future with the M’s and 2nd is his only projected position. This was a good trade for Seattle.
Salty Dog
My point was merely that saying “the Mariners got a great CF for nick franklin” isn’t the full story. If you’re getting Austin Jackson two years ago, when he still had 3 years of team control, that’s very different from getting him now. You also have to look at what else Franklin might have brought in return. Can’t just say that because he didn’t have a future here that Seattle couldn’t have gotten a better return from someone else.
For the record, I agree it’s a good trade. Jackson’s unlikely to sign a long-term deal since he’s a Boras client, but even if he doesn’t sign long-term, you extend him the qualifying offer and either sign him or get a draft pick. Just think people need to look at the full context to properly evaluate the trade.
Unassisted Triple Play
Someone explain to me how the Tigers will be able to afford Verlander, Price and Scherzer? Impossible!! One of Scherzer or Price will be gone shortly, so this is a total win now move!
Alex Foltz
My crystal ball tells me they will lose Scherzer in the offseason. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!
Eric Murray
Yes it is. Scherzer is gone after this year and DD cam focus on signing price longterm. For now they have an electric rotation
Kevin6CD
If only trading Verlander were possible.
Eric Murray
Porcello having a bounce back year and they still have Sanchez…that top 4 is still,better next year than a lot ofteams
Unassisted Triple Play
Well it’s not improved though by subtracting scherzer and inserting price for next year. It improves them dramatically for the rest of this season and that’s it. If anything some would prefer scherzer over price if picking between the two for next season.
Eric Murray
And who would rather pay for one of the top lefties in the game over a righty with equal or,worse success….most GMs
Unassisted Triple Play
You can’t make this argument without backslapping Max Scherzer in the process. Max has been the better of the two over the last 2 seasons so the the rotation with Price over Scherzer can’t reasonably be argued to have improved. Fair?
Eric Murray
Scherzer turned down an extension before the season. They’ve been planning for him to bounce all season and for this price got a steal. They can use the $$$ they offered scherzer to sign price easily. Like I said a verlander price Sanchez Porcello rotation is better than a verlander Sanchez Porcello rotation so yes they are improved passed this,season
Unassisted Triple Play
To sign Price easily? That’s laughable. Just like u said earlier who would be interested in David Price? Most GM’s. They could wind up only getting him for next season but that’s better than not having him or scherzer next year but my point is and it’s very valid that beyond the rest of this season the Tigers rotation did not improve.
Eric Murray
You don’t think they traded for him with the intent of signing him long term? Lol that’s laughable. So if they didn’t get price and lost scherzer their rotation would be worse, correct? So getting price at least keeps a good rotation stable and not get worse so I’m correct in what I’m saying. Scherzer is older than price so signing him long term makes less sense than signing price long term. I never made the assumption that their rotation got better did i? They are improved passed this year in that they will have a rotation with price next year instead of a rotation without price or scherzer which is precisely why the tigers made this move.
Eric Murray
I’d rather sign a guy long term That’s had a better career than a guy whose had 2 good years lol
Bill Couch
max is 2 years older and doesent have a track record of pitching long into games.I would take price all day any day.
SinHalo27
Looks like Rays got the worst of the deal. Gave up a left-handed starting ace there.
agureghian
especially one that is under team control for next year too…
javywoz
Friedman just got Friedman’d by someone else…..sad day in Rays land
nate-6
very sad indeed… im furious
javywoz
I was all for trading Price….but not for this. I’d rather OT or Joc Pederson straight up. Need star upside if you trade Price, not a useful #3/#4 pitcher and an avg middle infielder.
SheaGoodbye
Friedman REALLY needs to lay off the hard stuff prior to future trade deadlines. Seriously, it’s hard to comprehend how he felt compelled to move Price now, for this return, after holding onto him for so long in hopes of maximizing said return. Even with the Tigers #3 prospect included, it’s still an incredibly weak return for an ace signed through the end of next season.
This all provided more prospects do not trickle out of the woodwork
Mike Sutton
Loving Franklin for Jackson. M’s outfield just got a BIG boost!
agureghian
This makes the A’s trade for Shark and Hammel a HUGE overpay.
TheBigNice
Yeah, it really does.
Alex Foltz
this makes every trade this season a huge overpay.
Lester deal an overpay
Lackey deal an overpay
Masterson an overpay
This deal is crazy bad
Hopper15 2
peavy an overpay
Ace2095
All makes sense now with Willy Adames going to Tampa…they didn’t get fleeced…now let me go google Willy Adames…..
nate-6
no not fleeced but they definitely didn’t get market value… look at what the cubs got for shark and hammel… even what the Padres got for Street is better than this lot… im furious
Ace2095
Even the Lester deal was better then this, the Rays waited too long to deal and the buyers just wern’t willing to pony up that much last minute.
nate-6
if that’s true, they shouldn’t have traded price at all… there has to be more than this… this is completely out of character for friedman
Ace2095
I think he did this to save face, the fans wanted to see a move with Price and he moved Price.
nate-6
im a fan and I would have much rather keep price till winter… surely they could have done better in the meeting than this… im embarrassed
Ace2095
Maybe there are still pieces that need to be announced? You never know..
nate-6
I hope… I really hope… Friedman has NEVER failed like this before… so who knows… should find out in an hour… until then Im gonna go drink
Ace2095
Drink away your sorrows?
nate-6
damn straight
Ace2095
Look on the bright side…..you could be a cubs fan
Ace2095
All makes sense now with Willy Adames going to Tampa…they didn’t get fleeced…now let me go google Willy Adames…..
cgriffith
Seattle enjoy Austin Jackson; he has been a great teammate and player for Detroit the last 7 seasons. I know I will miss him. Good luck in Seattle AJax!!!
cgriffith
Seattle enjoy Austin Jackson; he has been a great teammate and player for Detroit the last 7 seasons. I know I will miss him. Good luck in Seattle AJax!!!
amoreperfectunion
They should have waited until the offseason. Teams that are not in contention now would also be in on him this offseason (Cubs with their overload of infield prospects, for example).
PaidByTheNotes
cubs have no need to trade when pitching can be bought for nothing but money.
amoreperfectunion
The Cubs have no rotation right now. Trade for Price, buy Scherzer or Lester, and the Cubs have some momentum for the next 7 years.
DetroitTigers
the cubs can in no way afford scherzer
Out of place Met fan
Or they can sign 1 of Shields, Scherzer, Lester and wait 1 year and buy Price
Out of place Met fan
So true, and now there is basically no chance Scherzer remains a Tiger
Chris Vinnit
I almost feel like shedding a tear for my small market brothers, the Rays and their fans. Granted no GM is going to pull off the utter fleecings Friedman has always done for Shields, Garza, etc but still… To trade away your team’s signature player and a truly elite ace for a mid-rotation starter, a pop gun infielder and some magic beans is pretty sad. Easily the weakest return for an elite pitcher ever.
SheaGoodbye
Lol, I expressed the exact same sentiment. A sad move for baseball fans on what has been an otherwise entertaining trade deadline.
SheaGoodbye
Lol, I expressed the exact same sentiment. A sad move for baseball fans on what has been an otherwise entertaining trade deadline.
BrynGilkey
The Bambino from Red Sox to Yanks in 1919 for $100k. Yes, he was elite at pitching too.
KJ4realz
And Price has been the best piece he’s traded too. Stunned by this deal on the Rays end. Stunned.
I mean they can start Smyly and Franklin right away, but still.
DetroitTigers
They had to get rid of money to get more prospects in the off season. :i
Out of place Met fan
At the same time doesn’t Friedman and company get time to see this shake out before calling it a lopsided deal. If anything he has proven to have astute talent evaluaters
TheBigNice
So now Davis is Detroit’s regular CF?
Kevin6CD
Sure seems that way. Maybe pick one up in August? That or they really think Dirks will be back and effective soon. Doubt that.
sascoach2003
Heard they were promoting a stud from AAA to play CF
yawn
Nothing else from Seattle. So smily, and a prospect to Tampa….that’s funny.
Rally Weimaraner
Did DD get Friedman really drunk or what?
Kirk Edward Gerwin
Dombrowski was just fishing in Florida again. Instead of his usual Marlin he reeled in a Ray this time.
letsgogiants
Talk about a good deal for the Tigers. Just Jackson + Smyly + Adames for a year and a half of Price? I’ll take that every day of the week.
letsgogiants
Talk about a good deal for the Tigers. Just Jackson + Smyly + Adames for a year and a half of Price? I’ll take that every day of the week.
Ace2095
Whats the deal on Zobrist? Is he a Pirate or a Ray?
Guest 3652
Pirates.
Kevin McClintock
No David Price as a Pirate, Brewer or Dodger.
Win for St. Louis
FredBird
Yeah but they could of gotten him for as much TB asked for.
Eric Murray
Not if the cards get to the world series and have to face that rotation
Rally Weimaraner
Are you sure this deal did come from one of those fake accounts???
Ace2095
I have no idea about Zobrist, I heard he was traded to the Pirates on Baseball Tonight and they usually don’t report false stuff do they? (I assume this is what you were talking about)
Rally Weimaraner
No i was referring to the fact that the Rays just got robbed blind for their ace.
Ace2095
Oh my bad, I just saw someone say something about a fake account and the Zobrist trade
StantonLikeMyDaddy
Dombrowski and Beane need to get sloppy drunk and have one of those old sword duels. It only seems right.
Guest 3651
The Rays got more for Alex Torres
Guest 3649
mlbtraderumors.com/2014/01/rays-to-acquire-logan-f…
For Torres the Rays got Brad Boxberger ( 4hits 0ER in his last 15.1 innings),
An A-ball infielder hitting .300, A utility infielder barely hitting his weight and a borderline MLB ready pitcher with a 3.5+ ERA.
For Price they got: An A-ball infielder hitting .269, A utility infielder barely hitting his weight (in the majors) and a borderline MLB pitcher with a 3.5+ ERA.
Joshua hatt
I thought the Rays would get more for Price, nice deal for the Tigers and Mariners though.
I hope the Tigers face the A’s in the ALCS, that would be an amazing series to watch.
Guest 3650
Tigers got hosed with the Fister trade and return the favor to the Rays for Price
animedad
The Mariners got hosed on the Fister trade and got hosed again today.
Seamaholic
Austin Jackson for Nick Franklin is a hose job? What the?
YankeeFan™
The Rays Got ROBBED
Seamaholic
Whole lotta good deals for buyers and bad deals for sellers today. Red Sox-A’s deal seemed fair, but that’s about the only one.
jawilli31
That doesn’t make sense, it looks way too short between the ends. Can’t say I agree with this rumor.
Jack Miller
They made this trade because of Oakland 😉
Rally Weimaraner
So is there anyone left to trade that not a Phillie?
Ace2095
Koji,Rios,Napoli,Beckham are the ones that come to mind
Tanthalas
Wow. Seattle and Detroit both make off like bandits in this, and Tampa gets doubly fleeced. That is a shockingly bad return for David Price.
nate-6
if franklin doesn’t hit within the first week he’ll be booed out of the city
Seamaholic
What fans are gonna do that?
nate-6
your right im over reacting but Im unimpressed by this… we should have held on to Price if this is it… not to say it won’t work out but I definitely have a pit in my stomach after reading this
Ace2095
I’m a Red Sox fan so I share most of your pain, there is one thing I don’t share though, and that is the feeling of giving away an ace pitcher for nothing :P. Sorry I just like fun jabbing like this 😛
nate-6
hahaha its all good bro… I would have happily given up Guyer and Price for Cespedes after hearing about this
Ace2095
Maybe Freidman sees something that nobody else is able to see.
nate-6
its possible… Franklin could bounce back and be great… i’ll keep my fingers crossed… till then I really need that drink
Evan
I think he ment the Rays have no fans to boo anyone. Even if he didn’t….Bazinga
Out of place Met fan
Its Tampa, only going to be 500 fans there to boo…won’t be to bad
slasher016 2
I’m not sure why everyone is saying the Rays got robbed. They gave up 1.33 years of Price for 6 years of Franklin who had a .800+ OPS in the minors, 4.33 years of a young pitcher who has already generated 6.2 career bWAR, and an up and coming SS prospect who is hitting well in low A while being the youngest player in the league.
nate-6
in other words… a 2b who has been useless in the majors(quad a player at best… so far), an SP who has struggled recently and at his peak is a 3rd starter and a guy who is 2-4 years away… excuse me for not being impressed
slasher016 2
Franklin had a 1.9 bWAR last year (102 games). That’s far from useless. Smyly is probably a peak 3rd starter sure, but he’s already useful.
nate-6
Franklin barely batted over 200 last year… Im sorry but for an elite SP like Price that is useless
slasher016 2
Oh I forgot batting average is the end all stat.
nate-6
ok his OPS was under 700 in over 400 ABs… that is an end all stat and Im not impressed
twigTOLLESON08
it is not at all (I think it is an entirely overrated stat and I like OPS better) but WAR certainly is not the end all stat either.
A .649 career OPS and an OBP .291 in 416 AB’s is hard to swallow.
I like Franklin and think he has a good up side but it doesn’t change the thinking that the Rays should had gotten more.
The Mariners got a good deal though.
johansantana15
True, but before today we were hearing the Rays wanted can’t miss top notch prospects like Seager, Urias, Pederson, Taveras, etc. To get two guys who you have to describe as “far from useless” and “useful” instead is quite a downgrade.
twigTOLLESON08
“800+ OPS in the minors.”
That is all fine. But that is the minors and not the majors. Their are NUMEROUS of players in the minors that can have an 800+ OPS but they never amount to anything in the majors.
I’m not saying Franklin won’t be anything in the majors but for a legit Ace in David Price that you can have next year, I’m expecting a bit more of a return. I’m not even a Rays fan and I think this…
RHova87
Up and coming SS? He’s hitting .269 in the midwest league (hitters paradise) and appears on exactly zero top 50 or even top 100 prospect lists.
paqza
Can’t just look at the average. He’s hitting .269/.346/.428 which is totally respectable considering his age and defense.
paqza
Can’t just look at the average. He’s hitting .269/.346/.428 which is totally respectable considering his age and defense.
tiduss
“They made that trade for us” – A’s
oaklandfan22
Seems to me that the Rays got the shaft.
northsfbay
You would think the A’s could have gave a better offer for Price.
oaklandfan22
We sure gave the cubbies a better haul then what the Rays were able to get. Addison straight up for Price would be better, I believe, then what the Rays got in this deal
northsfbay
I am one the few people in the Bay Area that roots for all the Bay Area teams.
oaklandfan22
Well then I shouldn’t use “we” haha
nate-6
I would have gladly taken Cespedes for Price and Guyer over this
Rally Weimaraner
Hey Scherzer meet your 2015 replacement.
DetroitTigers
Hm, I was correct. Jackson got traded. haha yes! People doubted me!
DetroitTigers
The tigers better get another outfielder. That’s all im saying.
Hello it's Dick again
Carrera is better defensively and has 43 steals this year
Kevin S
How is it that the Cardinals could not have come up with a better package to TB? Seems like with the package TB got, STL could have gotten Price without including Oscar Taveras.
javywoz
Still hitting refresh every minute, theres more for the Rays, right? right? Heading home to have a talk with mister Jim Beam.
Jon 27
The Rays got more for Alex Torres than they did for David Price
For Torres the Rays got Brad Boxberger ( 4hits 0ER in his last 15.1 innings),
An A-ball infielder hitting .300, A utility infielder barely hitting his weight and a borderline MLB ready pitcher with a 3.5+ ERA.
For Price they got: An A-ball infielder hitting .269, A utility infielder barely hitting his weight (in the majors) and a borderline MLB pitcher with a 3.5+ ERA.
Seamaholic
I hate the trade too, but Smyly is WAY more than a borderline MLB pitcher.
Jon 27
I’m exaggerating slightly to make a point but he is at least a borderline Starter. He is averaging 5 1/3 innings per start with about a 4ERA as a starter… not exactly WAY more than borderline
Salty Dog
Franklin is a 23 year old slashing .294/.392/.455 in AAA this year. You can’t look only at his major league stats. Have to project what he’s going to be in a few years in the majors. I think his minor league numbers suggest he’s going to be significantly better than the major league numbers he’s put up this far.
DetroitTigers
Go tigers. Now or never. We got this.
Seamaholic
It certainly is now or never. I’m rooting for them. All those 30+ hamstrings …. hang in there until November.
DetroitTigers
Exactly. SO close these past couple of years.
nate-6
I thought Addames was the no. 3 prospect… now there saying no. 30… this just keeps getting better and better
slasher016 2
Team vs. overall in MLB I believe is the difference.
nate-6
the no. 30 in Tigers organization prolly isn’t even in top 250 in MLB
slasher016 2
He was #3 for the Tigers.
twigTOLLESON08
He is #3 for the Tigers.
But I don’t seem him listed overall on Baseball-America and Baseball-Reference doesn’t have him listed as an overall top prospect. Unless MLB.com moved up him way at Mid Season
GD
#3 for the Tigers is like all other teams #20 lol.
Tigers Farm has been so depleted it’s not even funny. But hey they have 3 CY Young SPs in their rotation now. There’s a price for something.
RHova87
started at 30, jumped to 3 midseason
nate-6
ok that’s some good news then
Mikenmn
interesting, i thought price would fetch a higher price
DetroitTigers
Now we just gotta get rid of avila and we will be good! 😀
Dan Bowen
Friedman probably thought this was fantasy baseball and accidentally clicked the “Send Trade Proposal” button.
Jim Taylor
Rays got absolutely fleeced in this deal. Talks of Joc Pederson, Corey Seager, Oscar Taveras, Shelby Miller, Julio Urias. All they got is a middling infielder in Franklin and a number 3 starter in Smyly. Compared to the haul they got for Garza and Shields this is nothing. It really shows you why Epstein said yes as soon as Addison Russell was included for Samardzija.
Seamaholic
The SS prospect they got is supposed to be very good. Youngest guy in his league and a terrific fielder. The deal may turn out OK, but I’m not sure I trust the Rays judgment on position players. Pitchers, yes.
vtncsc
Since when is .225/.303/.382 “solid” at the MLB level?
westcoastwhitesox
when you play for the Mariners organization 😀
amoreperfectunion
I think they’re trying to spin it so the Rays fans don’t feel so bad…
amoreperfectunion
The more I look at this deal, the more I feel like the Rays got Lando’ed – “This deal is getting worse all the time!”
DetroitTigers
Avila and Coke need to be gone and we got this in the bag. Tigers champions.
javywoz
Next years Rays rotation would have been Cobb, Moore, Archer, Odorizzi and Hellickson. I’m failing to see how Smyly is a great upgrade over any of those. Even if Moore isn’t ready, you still have prospects Karns and Romero at AAA who wouldn’t be that much if at all worse than Smyly. Still scratching my head. Franklin is a nice back up plan for when we lose Zobrist, but thats about it.
Seamaholic
Moore’s not back until May, and then he’ll probably stink for a while (most TJ guys do).
start_wearing_purple
Definitely an eyebrow raising move, but time tends to prove Friedman more right than wrong.
On the Tigers side, clearly they’ve entered into an arms race with the A’s and I’m just praying now for an A’s/Tigers ALCS. But in the long term, can they afford Scherzer next season? With the addition of Price who could cost between $18M-$20M next year they have about $115M on the books already and I’m pretty sure that’s 7 contracts.
Seamaholic
Not so sure about Friedman. His record on trades is no better than most GM’s. Some real stinkers in there. His strength is signing low-end FA’s and having them turn into gems. He has no peers there.
RHova87
Billy Beane?
BitLocker
TB better hope there’s more in this trade that hasn’t been announced. Red Sox got more for Lackey.
Seamaholic
No, that’s not true at all. Cards sent a couple extraneous, soon-to-be journeyman pieces that may or may not even be on the Sox next year. In this deal the Rays get a mid-rotation starter, a disappointing former elite prospect, and a fast-rising elite SS prospect. It’s not a good return for Price, but it’s in the ballpark.
RHova87
Seamaholic, I believe that you are incorrect.
Ace2095
Who here thinks RAJ did an amazing job today?
Rally Weimaraner
Well he didn’t make any bad trades….
Silence
Honestly, after seeing the fall out of the Price trade, I’m kind of glad we didn’t trade Hamels/Lee.
Yeah he overvalues his talent, but I rather him overvalue talent than give away talent for the sake of giving it away.
If this was the “best” last minute deal the Rays got, I’m happy RAJ didn’t pull a similar type of move.
Silence
This is one of the worst trades, in recent memory, that has happened in the MLB.
Jon 27
Sure if Willy Adames is the next Manny Machado then this won’t be too bad of a trade. And even Zobrist had an awful 1st couple of years in the majors so maybe there is hope for Franklin too. But where does Smyly fit in?
DieHardMsFan
Man I love this trade from the M’s perspective. I was never a huge fan of Franklin once I saw him with the M’s. Great trade Z!
cgriffith
Dombrowski ” we have been pursuing this for 10 days” “Rays GM called him again last night” WOW!!! – Mr Illitch gave his blessing before the game
DetroitTigers
i thought you said jackson wasnt getting traded hehe
Ace2095
I’ve had this view for awhile but I think Illitch is a top 5 owner, am I the only one who sees things this way? 😛
javywoz
I just don’t see the point in this trade now. You could have received similar value at the end of the year compared to this from someone, and still given the Rays a small remote chance of making the playoffs this year. This wasn’t a bowl me over type of trade the justifies giving up this season. Plus you essentially traded away a comp pick as well. Horrible, just horrible.
DetroitTigers
Getting rid of extra package and looking to the the future for the rays. Done poorly but still looking to the future.
DetroitTigers
Getting rid of extra package and looking to the the future for the rays. Done poorly but still looking to the future.
GenerationInk
they didnt trade away a comp pick because Price isnt a FA til after NEXT season. they would only get comp pick if Rays kept him through the end of 2015, which we all know wasn’t happening.
javywoz
Right, but Detriot gets a comp pick. Friedman knows this and that should be part of the return. Detriot gets 1.5 years of Price and a comp pick and the Rays get Smyly and AJax….beyond horrible deal.
cgriffith
Dave Dombrowski “if we can get Joakim Soria and David Price we’re going for it” (in presser right mow) Well like I’ve said If Mr. I and DD want them, they get them.
DetroitTigers
Whats your opinion on Jackson then? Now has it changed?
paqza
Gotta love the Fielder trade in retrospect – it cleared a whole lotta budget which is being put to great use right now.
Youjustgotpetcoed
Wow rays got robbed
Guest 3648
Wow… I do not understand this trade for the Rays
RHova87
The Astros got more value for Jarred Cosart LOLOL
Seamaholic
Not even close.
Alex Foltz
actually, a lot closer than it should have been
Scott Brewer
Tigers winners. Rays yet to be seen as you can say Smyly hasn’t hit his ceiling yet and Franklin has none to little MLB experience..only time will tell. Well done Dave. Seattle nice little piece which was a necessity; however they’ll come up short of the playoffs.
Out of place Met fan
Seattle still needs a pitcher
DieHardMsFan
No we don’t. Price would have been a luxury. Being a Mets fan you seen our pitching and it is damn good. Apart from three or four guys we can’t get any hits on offense. M’s should still look to acquire another bat in August or wait for Saunders to come back.
Out of place Met fan
Surprised Ackley is still there to be honest, and while the Pitching is good with potential to be really good, a lot riding on an unproven back end moving forward. C Young has already pitched more innings then the last 6 years
DieHardMsFan
Ackley has been our hottest hitter in July (if not than our second hottest hitter). He was the least of our problems though as he is a .700 OPS hitter and plays good defense. While our CF/RF/1B/DH have an OPS below .700.
I understand that C. Young last pitched this many innings 6 years from now but the M’s should not be really concerned about him. He is a FA at the end of the year. Ride him for a chance to get to the playoffs. Besides he does not look like he is starting to get tired on the mound but looking stronger and stronger as the season goes on.
Out of place Met fan
I have always liked CY, the way he adjusts in game. Many, more talented pitchers could learn something from him.
From this distance though insurance innings, back end rotation type seems like it could be very useful there. Granted I only get to see a handful of M’s games a year.
As for Ackley, aside from a really good start and recent hot streak, I felt like he is a prime change of scenery guy. Great swing, quick, probably could hit more HR in a different ballpark, but still should be a doubles -gap hitter. Again as a fan from a distance I see an under performing player who just hasn’t had all things click at once yet.
DieHardMsFan
I agree regarding Ackley, but if he has a .700 OPS while we have struggling hitters at other positions there is no real hurry to get rid of him. Besides change of scenery type trades are usually done over the winter.
He has a very pretty swing but his eye is often too good for his own good and gets called out on borderline pitches just a bit outside. Also when Ackley hits (like he is right now) he hits the other way very often. The times he struggles is when he pulls everything…
Kyle 16
Why hasn’t the Zobrist to Pittsburgh deal been announced? Did it actually occur?
Chris Vinnit
No. They fell for a fake twitter account. If you don’t see it on MLBTR, it didn’t happen.
Kyle 16
Are you kidding me?
Ace2095
Well it’s been 2 hours since the deadline passed, they announced it on Baseball Tonight but there has been 0 mention of it since so I’m assuming it didn’t go down.
Chris Vinnit
No. They fell for a fake twitter account. If you don’t see it on MLBTR, it didn’t happen.
DieHardMsFan
If that trade did occur the teams can announce it whenever they please. The commissioners office just needs to get the trade in before the deadline.
Seamaholic
Nope. Didn’t happen. Shame too. Would have been nice for Pirates.
Trock
Cubs should of flipped Russel and Arrieta for Price. That deal would of been better for the Rays. Heck, I would of been fine with them adding someone else to the deal for price. I for sure thought it was going to take more highly regarded prospects then what they got.
TimotheusATL
That deal makes no sense for the Cubs, though.
Ace2095
Sure it does, getting an ace pitcher on a team that lacks starting pitching, they have the money to extend price if needed and he would be the veteran piece among a team full of young guys.
TimotheusATL
Pretty bold assumption that Price would be an automatic extension for a team like the Cubs in a clear rebuild. Do you really think an ace like Price wants to be at the head of a rebuild project when he’s already sniffed the World Series?
Ace2095
I think he would go for it because by the time his contract runs out they should have the main pieces in the farm either in the majors or on the brink of breaking out and once those prospects arrive it will most likely be a great team, and plus the appeal of helping to lead the cubs to their first world series in over 100 years might be a factor also.
Trock
He wouldn’t but the Cubs do have the money that it would take to sign him for a long term extension. Not sure if he wants to head a rebuild just depends if Price is after the money at this point in his career or a WS. He also said recently he see’s the young prospects that the Cubs have and that they may be very good in the next few years (which could happen as soon as next year or the year after).
DieHardMsFan
Money talks. If the Cubs would have offered him a deal similar to Felix/Verlander/etc. you really think he would turn it down?
TimotheusATL
Too much “if” — Samardzija and Scherzer serve as proof of that. I could MAYBE see the angle if the Cubs asked for (and received) a 24 hour window to negotiate a pre-trade extension.
Out of place Met fan
How long before those bats are hitting bombs in Wrigley?
jb226 2
In terms of how they performed this year, Jeff Samardzija had a better ERA for the Cubs than David Price had for the Rays. What you’re suggesting essentially rewinds the tape to the start of this season, which found the Cubs in last place in the division and wildly out of contention early enough that they traded 40% of their pitching staff nearly a full month before the deadline because hey, why not, it doesn’t matter.
Please note: I am NOT saying Samardzija is a better pitcher than Price. What I’m say is that the Cubs need multiple big changes before anything is going to matter, and dealing one of the biggest positives on our major league team isn’t going to get us to that point. As I pointed out in another comment, I would take my chances keeping Arrietta and looking to sign somebody like Price or Lester during subsequent offseasons. If we were closer to contending it might be a different story, but we’re just too far off right now to be trading big pieces, especially with no guarantee Price stays in Chicago beyond 2015.
Trock
It really does. They have the money to lock up Price. He also said recently it would be cool to win a world series with the Cubs and recognizes that the Cubs have the young talent to be a true contender very soon. If they only had to give up Russel and Arrieta (and maybe another minor piece) to get the chance to get Price and extend him, it makes perfect sense.
Out of place Met fan
Just because BA or Sickley says one prospect is better then the other doesn’t tell you what Rays FO think of Franklin or Adames. Rays interest in Franklin has been reported for at least 8 months now
Trock
That is very true. I just am going off of the value I see in the players that were involved vs what I proposed. Arrieta has been really solid this year and Russel is supposed to be a stud SS. It really does boil down to how the club who is obtaining the players values said players.
Out of place Met fan
Arrietta has been solid, and I dont see Theo dealing him. More likely spend the 100+ on a front of rotation starter this year to pair with him. Then take stock as the pitching prospect (which I think get under valued because of the bats in the system) develop. Go all in on Price as a FA in 2016
bigbadjohnny
Glad Cubs made no so such trade.
jb226 2
I wouldn’t have done that, even if I was guaranteed that Price would re-sign. Not because I think Arrietta is a better pitcher, but because we need essentially an entire staff. I’ll take my chances keeping Arrietta and picking up Lester and/or Price in subsequent offseasons.
Trock
Definitely fair enough. I am hopeful they nab shields in the offseason.
rizdak
Seattle gets an everyday centerfielder for Nick Franklin?? Huh… Sad day for Rays fans.
DieHardMsFan
I know right! Love this trade can’t wait to see him manning CF for the next year and a half and hopefully a lot longer (M’s don’t really have any good CF prospects).
northsfbay
Other than Price, there is nothing earth shattering about this trade.
northsfbay
Other than Price, there is nothing earth shattering about this trade.
YankeeFan™
Im still wondering why didn’t Oakland get in on Price looking at what the Rays received i think Oakland could have sent a better package and they wouldn’t even have to give up Cespedes.
northsfbay
It is reported that the Rays A’s talks didn’t go anywhere. The Rays blew it.
Tom 22
I imagine it’s because Oakland couldn’t afford the 20 million Salary next year.
Seamaholic
This. A’s don’t have $20m players. Doesn’t fit.
Todd Smith
A’s could have used Price as a rental and then traded him in the offseason. The A’s probably could have gotten a better return than what the Rays got today anyway. I was hoping the Pirates would go that route as well.
Todd Smith
A’s could have used Price as a rental and then traded him in the offseason. The A’s probably could have gotten a better return than what the Rays got today anyway. I was hoping the Pirates would go that route as well.
cgriffith
The Tigers today said we see you Oakland, and we raise you;
oaklandfan22
Good Luck
northsfbay
Bring it on Tigers fan.
cgriffith
Should be fun, see you in October (don’t overlook the Halos though)
Seamaholic
Scary to imagine that Tigers rotation against a weakened A’s lineup w/o Cespedes. I dunno. I’d take Tigers 99 out of 100 in that series. Assuming health of course.
Alex Foltz
“They made that trade because of us” -Verlander
VAR
Didn’t the Rays get more for Shields?
DieHardMsFan
Yes, but Shields was controlled for two full year as opposed to a year and two month rental. Plus Shields was cheap for those two years while Price will be paid about 20mm next year. They also included a cost controlled Wade Davis in the deal. I feel like the 20mm salary next year limited the market for Price to only a few teams.
Seamaholic
The $20m is key I think. The Rays tried to play it super cool but I suspect they absolutely HAD to trade him now or in the off-season. They just couldn’t afford him next year. Maybe other teams picked up on that? Or I dunno what happened. I’m sure they got what they could.
DieHardMsFan
Exactly. Teams like the Pirates cannot afford to gamble on Price only to trade him for lesser prospects in the offseason. Although saying that I don’t think the Rays got a really good return in the first place. Unless they really value that 18 year old SS…
VAR
True, but Price is a much better pitcher. And they could have held onto him until the offseason and traded him then to teams that lost the starter sweepstakes. I think they could have done better without having to pay next years salary.
DieHardMsFan
I was just answering the original posters question and giving my answer as to why Shields got a better return. I am with you in that the return was very underwhelming and they should have just kept Price and made a run for a wild card this year and traded Price this winter….
YankeeFan™
yes
johansantana15
Why didn’t the Dodgers get Price if that’s all it took? Pederson = Jackson, Guerrero = Franklin, Lee = Smyly
Evan
Pederson>>>Jackson
Matt He.
Rays got Smyly, Franklin, and a SS Prospect. Surely the Dodgers could have easily topped that building a package solely around Joc Pederson.
johansantana15
Exactly, they could have gotten him trading only one of Pederson/Seager/Urias. I would’ve done that in a heartbeat if I were Coletti.
Richard Curreri
If it’s middle infield talent and a low-cost, decent young SP the Rays were after, wouldn’t they have been better served pulling the trigger 4 weeks ago on Beane’s offer of an Addison Russell package? Russell, plus maybe Tommy Milone (fairly similar to Smyly, although slightly older and a lesser pitcher), and a mid tier prospect strikes me as a much better haul than what the Rays got here.
bigbadjohnny
Of all the big name pitchers traded, Lester, Lackey, Price, Masterson, the Cubs got the most for Samardzija.
Out of place Met fan
Have to disagree, Cespedas is an AS one only hopes Russel is sometime
bigbadjohnny
Cespedes is a FA after 2015.
He will leave Boston.
Out of place Met fan
He may leave, but he can also crush 45 calling that stadium home. Have to admit their offense is looking a lot better next season and pitching is there for the buying this winter. Plus they still have their prospects as capital. I like their chances in 2015 for the AL East
VAR
That depends. Sox have over a year to try and extend him, and he can’t be QOed because of his contract. I think they intend to try and resign him.
Seamaholic
Probably so, but in their case it all boils down to one minor league phenom. If Russell doesn’t turn out great, it’s not true. Smyly is pretty much a known quantity, and so are Cespedes, Craig, and Kelly.
d-blaqueqq
The real winner is Stonewall Amaro for not losing.
Joseph Kraus
I’m sick……so SICK right now. I need a beer.
Spare Tire Dixon
This is amazing. Scherzer/Price/Verlander/Sanchez in the playoffs? Presumably against Lester/Samardzjia/Kazmir/Gray? That is can’t-miss TV
bigbadjohnny
30 more days of non waiver deals to come.
bigbadjohnny
Winners & Losers for trade deadline……….
Winners……….A’s, Tigers, Cardinals, Red Sox, Cubs
A’s – Got two big time pitchers in Lester Samardzija
Cardinals – Got two big time pitchers in Lackey & Masterson
Tigers – Got Price for nothing
Red Sox – cleared contracts off the books
Cubs – got great prospects in Russell, McKinney & Caratini
Losers – Phillies, Rays, Rangers, Yankees
Phillies – could not dump big contracts
Rays – lost out big time on getting something for Price
Rangers – could not trade for a rebuild
Yankees – could not pull a big trade, just little deals
badgerpit
M’s traded franklin for jackson. – win
EightMileCats
Very true.
Ajax is a solid defensive cf with a good bat (streaky sometimes)
Frederick Darwin Quixote
I doubt the Yanks were really trying for more than details. And the team they have this year isn’t worth spending the farm to patch up.
Matt He.
Lackey and Masterson aren’t “Big time” pitchers. Lackey is good (Not great, but good) and Masterson has been awful this year.
Joseph Kraus
Rays trade David Price for service time…..Way to go Rays!
Ace2095
Can someone give me a scouting report on Joe Kelly and Craig? I haven’t had time to look into looking up what they’ve been able to do.
Tko11
Craig is 30 years old, a poor defender, he had 3 good offensive season prior to this year but is struggling mightily this season. Joe Kelly is 26 and most likely will be a 4-5 starter. Not really anything exciting. The only good thing is they are under control for a while.
Seamaholic
This seems about right, except that I’d add that Craig’s bad year does seem, from a distance, to be more than random. His bat seems to have slowed way down. Can’t pull anything inside anymore. Kelly is a ground ball guy who had a terrific year last year without seeming to have great stuff. This year has been more like what you’d expect from a 4-5 starter.
Tko11
Yeah but he only pitched like 120 innings or so last year as well.
Ace2095
Is Kelly now the Ace of the Red Sox by default? Also can Craig use the green monster to his advantage and rack up the XBH’s or is there no hope in that department?
Tko11
Like Seamaholic said below, his bat speed has diminished so unless he can regain it, he probably wont be pulling the ball much. Id still say Buchholz or De La Rosa would be the #1 over Kelly.
Ace2095
I would pick De La Rosa over Buchholz tbh, I honestly think Buchholz is pitching injured like Lackey was three years ago, it seems like the only reasonable excuse as to why he’s pitched so badly.
d-blaqueqq
Kelly-Good fastball. Fast sinker with good movement, changeup, sometimes a curve. Been struggling lately, but has potential.
d-blaqueqq
Craig- Gotten cold, but has the potential for power numbers, okay-ish defensively, fits in RF for the moment with the Sox. Funnily enough, he was the guy that tripped over WMB and won game 2 of the WS for St. Louis.
bigbadjohnny
Lets cut to the chase….A’s vs Tigers……..LAD vs SF
Seamaholic
SF? Not with Cain down. Sub Nats or Cards for sure.
bigbadjohnny
Masterson will get pounded…..and Lackey could be also.
teddyballgame
Masterson is going to be very good against National League teams. He won’t have to face an AL team until the World Series. Dismiss at your own risk.
DetroitTigers
Its going to be Tigers vs Dodgers
Tko11
Wow………………….So the Tigers got Price for Jackson and Smyly, what a steal. The Rays got straight robbed. I thought they had to be overwhelmed in order to deal Price.
DieHardMsFan
I agree with you here, but maybe that is why we are typing comments here while they get paid to make decisions. Maybe Franklin/Smyly/Adames are highly valued and highly sought after players/prospects among MLB GM’s. Our opinion is largely based on top 100 lists that were compiled by “experts” who are obviously not good enough to land a job in an MLB front office. Guess time will tell…
Ace2095
I honestly think the M’s got the best value out of any of the teams in this deal because they gave up a guy who was blocked by Cano for a top of the order bat who can help fix their outfield problem.
northsfbay
Why are you jumping threw hoops to get to Jackson?
Ace2095
Is it possible Zobrist/Hamels/Lee could all pass through waivers? (I think Lee will for sure just not sure about the other)
DieHardMsFan
Zobrist will not pass through waivers. He will get claimed. I imagine Hamels will as well as he is valuable. A team like the Dodgers or Yankees will claim him.
Ace2095
I could see a team like the Mariners placing a claim on Zobrist because I feel he would be a good outfield bat for them if they could work something out with the Rays because he hits lefties pretty well. I’m just not sure if he could make it to them.
DieHardMsFan
I wouldn’t mind Zobrist as well but he will be claimed long before the M’s have a chance. I think the Red Sox still want to contend next year and they will claim Zobrist if given the chance.
Ace2095
They might but I don’t think they would be able to get an interdivision trade done, although they do have the pieces to pull it off and it they gave the Rays some pitching prospects they might be able to pull it off.
DieHardMsFan
Ok well they will still claim him regardless as than the Rays will pull him back. Just block the Rays from trading him somewhere for some value. That way Zobrist won’t be traded till the offseason.
PhilliesPhan4102
Zobrist would get claimed for sure. Hamels would be claimed by the Dodgers if the Yankees or the Red Sox didn’t claim him. If Lee pitches at least 1 or 2 games during the next few weeks and does well, someone will claim him.
Ace2095
I think somebody would be more eager to deal for Hamels this year and then might see Lee as a fallback option.
teddyballgame
The Red Sox are like the seventh worst team in the league right now and they have the money to pay… if Hamels went on waivers he wouldn’t drop any further than that.
Matt He.
No chance. All will get claimed. Either by teams that want them, or teams that are trying to block other teams from getting them. Not like the Rays or Phillies will let any of them go for nothing.
Ace2095
But the question is who will claim them? I can see the Yankees or Mariners placing a claim on Zobrist, and the Giants/Dodgers/Cardinals placing a claim on Hamels or Lee, The giants might even place a claim on Rollins if he’s put on waivers and try to either use him or Crawford at Second (Although I’m not sure if either of them could handle second)
Matt He.
Giants might put in a claim on all of them, just to block the Dodgers and because they could use someone like Zobrist
Ace2095
Would Zobrist even make it to the Giants?
Matt He.
Not likely. Doesn’t it go thru AL teams first then to NL teams? Giants would be at the end of the line if so.
Eric Murray
It flucuates. Starts off with records from last year and when you claim a guy you go to the back of the waiver order. Not AL,teams then NL teams lol. What NL GM would agree to that rule?
jb226 2
Waiver priority is given to the player’s current league first. It’s not “AL then NL” specifically — AL players are offered to AL teams first, NL players are offered to NL teams first.
Matt He.
I was talking about in regards to Zobrist specifically, that is why I sad AL first.
Joe Puhlman
Every team in the league would put in a claim on Zobrist.
Aircool
I don’t know about every team, but a lot of teams probably would yes. I don’t think the Astros would bother.
PhilliesPhan4102
Lee just walked out of the game in the 3rd. He hurt his elbow again. Shame
Eric Murray
You guys do realize their is a gentleman’s agreement in August that if a GM has a deal in place and informs other GM’s of said deal they don’t claim them except the team getting them, right?
Ace2095
Then what’s the point of teams blocking trades.
Eric Murray
And when has that ever occured?
Ace2095
Teams claim players all the time to block another team from claiming them.
Eric Murray
During the year yes. In August, with a deal agreed upon and known around the league, no. Key words, in August.
Eric Murray
It’s a different kind of waiver in August where the team can pull him back if it’s not a team they can get something out of.
FamousGrouse
Randy Myers and the Padres in 1998 comes to mind right away.
Dogham
Uh no….teams routinely put in claims to stop other teams from trades to make them better. The key is to be just a game or so behind them when you make the trade, so they can’t block it, then pass them.
First Bleed
JD Martinez definitely had something to do with making Jackson expendable. Who would have guessed that 2 months ago!
DetroitTigers
Me lol i knew he was going to be traded
Dogham
Hopefully today will seal the fate of Jack Zduriencik in Seattle. Tigers end up getting Price from Rays for next to nothing, the M’s gain Austin Jackson, which straight up for Nick Franklin is good, but nothing was done to make an impact for this team or to address another starter for a playoff push. I absolutely hate the A’s, but wish Billy Beane was the M’s GM. He’s not afraid to pull the trigger on a big deal.
Ace2095
The M’s don’t need starting pitching, It would of simply been a luxury if they got somebody like Price. You also say nothing was done to impact the team but adding Jackson does quite a bit to improve their outfield situation which was one of their major problems. So Jack Z did address their biggest need. Although it’s not a flashy move like acquiring price it’s still a solid move that could help them in their playoff push.
Aircool
Don’t forget though Ace that the Tigers didn’t need starting pitching either… but it doesn’t hurt to have the last 3 AL Cy Young winners in your playoff rotation when you are pushing for a World Series… There is need and then there is what makes you better, David Price makes every team in Baseball better.
Dogham
I have $1500 to put up that says the M’s won’t make the playoffs. The moves today was an improvement, but nothing to get them to the playoffs.
Ace2095
I think the M’s have a legit shot at the second wild card, but then of course who doesn’t. They got Jackson who is very good at hitting lefties which is something they have failed to do this year. I believe that this could be a step in the right direction and that the M’s could come out and surprise everybody like the 2011 Diamondbacks did, or the 2013 Red Sox, or the 2012 Giants.
Christopher Giles
Realistically Jack Z hasn’t done too bad considering the team he inherited when he took over. It’s taken him a bit longer than you could’ve hoped, but he came from a scouting/development background, and he’s done an excellent job of building the M’s farm system into something that should continue to feed the major league team for years to come.
gorav114
I agree, I thought they had lost their mind when they signed Cano but it seems like they do have a plan in place and def have some serious talent on that team.
Ty Blake
Would you have rather traded away Walker for a few months of Price? So that Price could join Felix in losing 3-0 and 2-0 games? Doesn’t matter if we had Price or not. We’re not getting past the A’s scoring one or two runs.
Dogham
I’m saying the Rays ended up settling for a lot less than everyone thought it would take to get Price. The M’s should have been able to package something better than what the Rays ended up with even without trading Walker. As for Price, it’s more than just a few months, he is under contract next year also, so Tigers already positioned for a run next year also. Even adding Austin Jackson, which again straight up for Nick Franklin is a good move, but still not the impact offensive player the M’s needed. It’s terrible when your biggest offensive weapon is your 2nd year catcher. M’s need another Thumper in the lineup.
Hoosierdaddy92
I would argue that Jack Z got the overall best bat he could acquire at the deadline. Teams did not want to move position players that could make an impact this season. For all the players that moved, the three best proven hitters were Yoenis Cespedes, Austin Jackson, and Allen Craig. Craig is having a terrible year and is a big risk and the A’s weren’t going to trade Cespedes intra-division and heighten the chances of facing King Felix in a one-game playoff. Jackson is an above average hitter and fielder and controllable for several seasons at a position of need for them (CF). Hard to acquire something like that.
bobbybaseball
Not as much of a return for Price as I had thought.
teddyballgame
This deal made me feel much better about the return the Red Sox received for Lester and Lackey. What were the Rays thinking?
yewed
I thought the same thing but this is what they do.. Friedman has done alright.
Maybe he overreacted. He said he didn’t think he could get this much back
if he waited until the off season.
gorav114
I feel like the Rays finally made a trade mistake, it happens all the time, just not usually to the Rays. They certainly got better return with Shields and Price is a superior pitcher.
GameMusic3
Rays got completely robbed. Should have got Addison Russell from the A’s when they could.
Eric Murray
As if Addison Russell was ever on the table for Price….while the rays look like they got less for price than many thought, Andrew Friedman has a proven track record as a GM of a small market team and bring successful. He took a guy that is uncontrolled thru 2015 and wasn’t going to resign anyways and turned it into a promising 25 year old controlled thru 2018, a 2B with potential and in a logjam in Seattle after getting Cano, controlled thru 2020 and an 18 year old SS prospect whose holding his own in a league where he is the youngest player and by all accounts is a good all around SS prospect jumping immediately to the rays #2 prospect on MLB.com. it’s all about filing every hole with decent controllable players instead of having 1 stud who you realistically can’t resign.
Aircool
What do you mean as if Addison Russell was ever on the table for Price? You would rather have Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel over David Price? I don’t quite understand your logic… if Russell was on the table for the Cubs he was on the table for the Rays that is for sure. The thing is Friedman somehow wound up with spare parts for Price… Franklin had no position in Seattle, and Smyly has no spot in the rotation if Price comes in, so in a David Price trade he is expendable… Then Detroit sends Austin Jackson who is a .270 hitter with little power and maybe slightly above average speed to Seattle… and a shortstop prospect in Low A… Nobody gave up anything significant except the Rays… Bad trade for sure.
EDIT: Please keep in mind I’m not saying these guys will or won’t pan out, and that they won’t be successful I’m just saying you can get better pieces than that.
Jim Johnson
I don’t think it’s a guarantee that Russell was on the table for Tampa. Price comes with a much bigger price tag than Shark.
Aircool
Yes and No… Samardzija came along with Hammel and their combined salary is 11 Million this year with Samardzija going to arbitration next year. Price makes 14 Million this year. Furthermore Billy Beane proceeded to pick up Jon Lester, although admittedly while moving out Cespedes but that is still taking on more money.. All indications are that Oakland ownership is willing to spend 3-5 Million. Price would probably earn something like 16-19 million next year through arbitration which is more than Samardzija will cost next year for the As… but its David Price, what owner wouldn’t bite that bullet… Worst case scenario they could flip him in the winter after trying a run at the World Series… so it definitely could be done, plus there is nothing to say that Tampa can’t take on a little salary in a Price Trade for a better return. Be it in retaining salary or in taking back a roster player.
Eric Murray
Simply put the A’s wouldn’t bite the bullet. Few teams can field a competitive team with 1 guy making that much, and Oakland is one of those teams.
Aircool
Then you flip him in the Winter after your post season run… big deal you probably get a similar return to what you spent and you had David Price for a post season run… but the notion that Russell is somehow off the table for Price but on the table for Samardzija who is giving up homeruns twice as often in the AL as he was in the NL this year, and Jason Hammel who is not going to pitch in the rotation for the post season making him a bullpen arm….. C’mon man.
Eric Murray
He was off the table cuz the cubs have him lol. You’re acting like these deals were made simultaneously. The price for Price is going to be less this off-season because he has 1 year of control whereas a team gets him now to help win a championship and another year of control they’re willing to pay more for that.
Aircool
Yeah because the return for David Price was sooo good right now…. Detroit paid more alright!!! I know the Cubs have Russell… but don’t act like David Price wasn’t on the trade block 1-2 months ago. We all know he was….. You think Oakland didn’t inquire?
Eric Murray
Never heard the A’s linked to price this whole time….like I’ve said before the A’s only made Russell available to the cubs if Samardzija AND Hammel were involved. Not one or the other. Price wasn’t going to be dealt until today and you know that. Not in the run they’ve been on.
Aircool
Before the run started…. when they were in the toilet? You don’t think they would have traded him for a good return? It seems to me Andrew Friedman made a rushed decision because he feared he would get lowballed in the winter, which is entirely possible because everyone knows the Rays need to get rid of David Price… But I can appreciate you saying they would need both Samardzija and Hammel, there is a certain appeal to getting two starters back, but Hammel was never pitching in the post season anyway, so wouldn’t you rather have David Price pitching for you instead of Samardzija in the post season, because I think you would agree it was beyond doubt that the As would make it to the post season this year when they made the Samardzija trade.
Aircool
Yeah because the return for David Price was sooo good right now…. Detroit paid more alright!!! I know the Cubs have Russell… but don’t act like David Price wasn’t on the trade block 1-2 months ago. We all know he was….. You think Oakland didn’t inquire?
Eric Murray
Simply put the A’s wouldn’t bite the bullet. Few teams can field a competitive team with 1 guy making that much, and Oakland is one of those teams.
Jim Johnson
Tampa isn’t taking on salary.
Aircool
I didn’t say a lot of salary, we are talking 1-2 million or taking back a useful roster player that has a smaller salary, like how Boston took back Cespedes… That was their haul for Lester… They were willing to pay Price to play the entire year if they were in the hunt for the post season… so even though they would get some salary back in a roster players salary it would still be less than David Price’s salary… so they would still be shedding payroll and acquiring talent…. So yeah they would.
Rather than reply to the exact same comment again Jim Johnson… I will edit this one… Tampa won’t take on useless salary, but if they take back a player making 2-5 million and he is a good player that balances the salary, and if he is a good player, Tampa will want him as part of the return.. Teams often look at salary when making trades… one GM might propose something and the other might say, I’m taking on too much salary I need to change one of the pieces I’m giving up with another that has more salary to balance it out… and then negotiations really start…..
Jim Johnson
Tampa isn’t taking on salary.
Eric Murray
Price has a bigger price tag than Samardzija. There’s a value difference there for most clubs, especially the A’s. They aren’t going to get saddled with price 18+M,arbitration next year, so yes the A’s preferred Samardzija. I also have seen on this site, they only were willing to add Russell if they got Samardzija AND hammel. Not one or the other. Had p Price had more controlled time and less of an arbitration estimate for next year the return would’ve netted them Russell, but Russell was never on the table
Eric Murray
Also, you act like you were right next to Andrew Friedman this whole process….if he could’ve gotten better don’t you think he would have? Spare parts? Smyly and Franklin were in logjam situations. Both the tigers and mariners had more proven commodities in page ahead of them making more money…
Matt Talbert
Maybe DDDDD will sign both to extensions and you’d have Max, Price, and Sanchez which is pretty sick. The trade off was minimal. You only really lost Smyly and AJax. Pretty solid deal for Detroit I think (with their bench).
Aircool
Very good deal for Detroit… Austin Jackson was a solid player, but he wasn’t a star… he had one good year, but even then he isn’t all that fast nor does he hit for power, its like trading Jackson to transform Smyly into Price…. Definite win.
$114759666
The odds of the Tigers extending Max and Price while still paying on JV/Miggy’s contract is astronomically low. Max is almost certainly gone this off season.
DetroitTigers
All right! Its official. Tigers vs Dodgers world series.
Aircool
Tigers vs Athletics ALCS would be an appropriate statement after today… but I don’t really get the whole assumption that the Tigers win the ALCS or that the Dodgers win the NLDS forget the NLCS…. At least not after today, The Dodgers didn’t get any better today, and the Tigers didn’t get much better if at all than the As today, so I mean I don’t know why its Official at this particular moment.
DetroitTigers
Hmmm well definitely A’s vs Tigers but i think they will win again.
Aircool
Yeah I edited my post above, I just don’t see how its any more official today than it was yesterday… if it even if Official, I personally think the As might win the World Series this year as crazy as that sounds… they have a great ballclub… But so do the Tigers… should be a great post season but I think its painfully obvious the AL is winning the world series this year.. the 3 best teams in baseball are in the AL and they have home field.
DetroitTigers
I guess we cant really tell until it happens.
Aircool
agreed
Paul Shailor
Since 2006 the Tigers have only beaten 2 teams in the playoffs, the A’s and the Yankees. We didnt really detract from our offense and the A’s lost their second best hitter. Ill take the Tigers and Jvs insane dominance over them which he continued last year even after a sub par regular season.
Aircool
Its possible, but I mean Verlander choked in the post season the last couple years, pretty badly… and he has had a bad regular season so I mean I wouldn’t take that as any sort of evidence… I’m not saying the Tigers will lose, but I don’t think its a foregone conclusion…. The Tigers may very well win the ALCS. Yoenis Cespedes is a low average hitter though, I don’t think he was really that valuable .256 Average, .303 OBP and 17 Home Runs… I think the As will be better off with Lester than him in the post season… Hitters like that just don’t succeed when facing the best of the best in the post season…
bobbleheadguru
1. From a performance standpoint this year, you are discussing the Tigers FIFTH best starting pitcher at the moment (out of 5).
2. That being stated, Verlander gave up ONE RUN in 23 innings pitched in the post season last year. Hardly “Choked”.
Aircool
Kk I didn’t look up the stats, but I was mostly referring to his lack of success in the world series. I should have been more clear. But upon looking up his stats, I have seen that he has only really been there twice… although one could argue twice is a lot for one career. The more concerning thing is that his ERA in the ALDS is 1.79, in the ALCS its 3.55 and in the WS its 7.20 which is a bad trend… The tigers aren’t playing for anything short of a World Series and the deeper Verlander goes the worse he gets… although the sample size is admittedly small. But what post season sample size isn’t.
Paul Shailor
I think you need to look up his stats, verlander allowed no runs in 15 innings against the As last year with 12.6 k/9. He also allowed 1 run in 8 ip against the red sox.
The As are fifth in the majors in homers and 15th in average, they rely on the long ball. The tigers did that in the past and now they are moving past that as it doesnt work in the playoffs.
I disagree, I think it is a foregone conclusion. We have beat the A’s every single time they have made the postseason since 06 due to our pitching. Their offense is not as good as last year and once again they will lose.
hozie007
Look for Tigers to make another move before September to bolster the pen.
Karl Larson
This feels like the Bartolo Colon to the Expos trade. Crippling for the Rays.
Stoibs
Just doesn’t make sense. How do you trade a year and a half of the third best starting pitcher in the world for this? This has to be about the money. They had to have overplayed their hand, then were forced to take basically the only offer. How do you not get one blue-chip prospect? I just don’t get it. This could be the nail that seals the coffin on the Rays for the next two, maybe three years. They needed that big starter. A sad day to be a Rays fan.
Kevin6CD
Every trade the Rays make is about the money. Hard to compete in a small market, let alone one where the fans refuse to show up.
Better
I think there’s a silver lining for the Rays…they’re on a great run right now, without Matt Moore.
DRays Jim
I understand your optimism…but I’m not buying it. You can dress up the pig…put lipstick on the pig…but in the end…it’s still a freakin’ pig.
I think this was two part trade; salary dump and getting a couple players they have liked a lot over the last couple years. I’m not arguing about the trade (even though I would not have traded him this season), I’m arguing the players they got back. I would have rather kept him through next season and got the compensatory first rounder instead of what they got.
I just hope we are ‘all’ wrong and the three players they got all surpass our expectations.
Better
I’m a Red Sox fan, I hope we are all right about the 3 players they got! I’m just saying that this team has played great lately and I don’t think losing Price completely cripples them because they replace him with Matt Moore next year. Boston wishes they could replace Lester with a “Matt Moore” kind of guy but their only hope is to land Scherzer or Lester in FA.
Bob Love
Does this make up for the awful Doug Fister trade the Tigers made earlier this season?
Tigers got: Lambardozzi who got traded away for nothing, Krol for a ERA over 5 (which we call up Hardy that is 5 times as good, plus it looks like he got sent down), and Ray who is a typical low class lefty that is not a difference maker.
If the Tigers don’t trade Fister, then Smiley goes to bullpen and they don’t have to worry so much about the bullpen. Plus i am sure the lack of potential the Rays got will even out some day when they trade Zobrist or whoever.
Hoosierdaddy92
I would say it absolutely does. Price is better than Fister and had less injury concerns. Plus moving Fister allowed them to “audition” Smyly for teams this season as a starter. I don’t think the Rays would have been as interested in him if they hadn’t gotten to see what Smyly could do at the major league level for half a season.
Hoosierdaddy92
That three-team Tigers-Diamondbacks-Yankees trade is just the gift that keeps on giving for the Tigers. Tigers land Scherzer and Ajax in that deal, giving up only Edwin Jackson and Curtis Granderson. Tigers now land David Price for AJax, one other top prospect, and a lowball prospect. Love it. Meanwhile Curtis Granderson has been solid, but much more expensive the past few seasons and Edwin Jackson, is, well, Edwin Jackson.
charlesk
Looks like this just lit a fire under Sanchez. Now if it does the same for Verlander, Tigers should a have a long post season…