The latest on the 2013 World Series champs…
- David Ortiz told John Tomase of the Boston Herald that he's sick of the negative public response when he discusses his desire for a new contract (though he did so with far more colorful language, as Tomase notes). As far as how long he wants to continue his career, Big Papi offered the following: "When you put up numbers like I’m putting up, who’s thinking about retiring, know what I’m saying? People keep on asking me, how long do you want to play? When are you going to retire? Dude, look at my numbers. I ain’t planning on retiring right now. When I slow down, then I’ll retire."
- Ortiz told WEEI.com's Alex Speier (Twitter link) that if no deal is done prior to his next venture into free agency following this season: "…then we'll be talking about a real contract."
- Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe outlines many of the reasons that make it logical for the Red Sox to be interested in re-signing Stephen Drew, and then explains why, in spite of those reasons, they should let him walk. Abraham opines that Xander Bogaerts needs to be given a chance to maximize his value at shortstop, that Will Middlebrooks' 2012 and late 2013 flashes of excellence make him worthy of another chance, and that the value of an additional draft pick when Drew signs elsewhere outweigh the benefit of bringing Drew back to Boston.
- Francisco Cordero had interest from both the Orioles and Marlins, but he chose the Red Sox after admiring their 2013 World Series run while watching at home in the Dominican Republic, Speier writes. Cordero, who says he dropped 30 pounds this offseason, doesn't have an opt-out clause in his deal, but Speier writes that he and the team have an understanding where Cordero will be allowed out of his contract if he's not going to make Boston's roster and has an opportunity with another team. Cordero said he felt like a kid again when he put on his Red Sox jersey and feels that he didn't join a team, he joined a family.
Does Papi want Cano money if he doesn’t get a one year extension? That’s reasonable.
He said to Tomase that he feels is he worth Cano money but only wants 15-16 million. And also if they don’t get a deal done during the season, I don’t see a reason why the wouldn’t just give him a QO which would probably be worth around 15 million depending on any new extensions, fa signings,etc. This is because the amount of QOs is based off of top 150 salaries, I think.
When you say Cano money do you mean in length and AAV? Because hell no…I think he should sign a one year extension with perennial options at team and player rates. So like, $13MM, as a middle number. $13MM a season or if the Red Sox declined he could evoke, say a $7MM player option, if he really wanted that final year.
In terms of dollars not years. I was watching a local radio show yesterday and they talked with Tomase and he said that Ortiz thinks he is worth 25-30 but only wants 15-16.
For a DH? not at all. If Ortiz could take the field on the regular then maybe. Cano is also being paid that well for his defense not just the bat.
That’s what he said to Tomase, I’m just stating what I heard
I know those aren’t your words, I just find that wild.
The quote is word for word at OTM. He said “Guys putting up my numbers, they’re making $25, $30 million. I’m not asking for that. I’m asking for half of it”.
He said guys who put up his type of numbers are getting 25-30 and he’s only asking for 15. Might be splitting hairs, but that’s a bit different from saying he thinks he’s worth 25-30.
Yea, he has to take realize he takes a hit with being limited to DH and very rarely 1st base. His offensive numbers make him worth 25 mill a year, but not taking the field on defensive end brings him down to I think 15-16 mill a year.
He’s been so nice to the Sox to not make any real money all these years. He and Ruben Amaro need media training.
Wonder what Papi’s numbers would have been if he was an everyday 1st baseman. You think just as high? I don’t.
Does it really matter? He plays DH all but 5-8 games per season. Isn’t that better than attempting to play defense at a position and hurting your team, much like all bat guys, such as Cabrera and Fielder do that hurt their teams attempting to play defense on the field and costing them runs and games in the process?
It does matter.
If he was a 1st baseman, he would be forced to play defense. That would put wear and tear on his body, and maybe he couldn’t hold up as well as he has.
All in all, Ortiz wouldn’t be making the $ he has made if he was forced to take the field. And that’s exactly what the post is about: Ortiz’ dollar worth.
Ortiz is in far better shape than Fielder or Cabrera, yet it hasn’t hurt their numbers. But it would’ve effected Ortiz, Doubt it.
Uh huh, now look at their respective ages. Let’s talk when Fielder and Cabrera reach Ortiz’s age to see how they’ve held up by playing the field their entire careers.
Give papi a three year 60 million contract but have the two years after the first be team options….it gives both parties what they want…Red Sox want protection against his inevitable production slide and Papi wants to be paid while he is producing….
You do realize that after next season ortiz will be 39 years old…and if he signs that contract he will 42 at the end of it. I do not want to pay a guy over the age of 35 20+ million.
I understand this game is pretty much all about the money now, but part of me wishes it wasn’t. These players are paid quite well and I just start to wonder how much money does a person really need. It seems it used to be about the notoriety and pride about being an established player, but now it seems it’s just about “How much money will they pay me?” I’d think $10M/year would suffice, but “Yeah right, I ain’t playing for a measly $10M”. I miss the days when this was a game that players took pride in their game instead of just looking for their next contract.
Salaries are all relative to the money generated by the league….Since franchises signed the multi billion dollar deals with regional sports networks its resonable for players to want a piece of that pie…Why should owners pocket it all
I appreciate that and don’t disagree. These are the best of the best making millions of dollars and good for them. I guess I’m just tired of the “show me the money” mentality that some players seem to have. But that’s how this sport has evolved so I have to accept it. I’ll keep paying $129.99 (or whatever) to watch the games on my devices and keep rooting for my favorite team.
“talking about a real contract”? Cannot believe he said that….The man has made over 100 mil in the red sox uniform.
Where you getting that quote from? You do know that quotations are for something thats said word for word.
You are correct, I truncated the Then we’ll be…. my bad. Alex Speier via twitter..
That lines not in the post, nor is it in the Tomase’s article, that its linked to. Giving the Speier reference would be more helpful to start.
second bullet, last sentence
My apologies.
I’d say he’s outperformed his deals though. He’s seen multiple championships and he isn’t asking for an inordinate amount of long term security. Pay the man, he’s definitely earned it. 2 years, $30 million
He’s making $15MM and they could QO him next year, so essentially he’s already in year one of a 2 year, $29MM deal. I get that he wants the second year to be guaranteed now, but all he has to do is perform like he always does and he’ll have his wish. I don’t at all blame the Sox for waiting to see how a 38 year old DH will perform.
The QO will be higher this year because as I stated already in another post that I’m pretty sure the QO value is worth the average value of the top 150 salaries in baseball
Ortiz talks too much.
But then again, it’s been working on getting him paid. Or was that his skill.
Maybe a combination of both?
The 41.6 WAR over 11 seasons with the Red Sox isn’t his skill? Yeah, he talked his way into those numbers.
Hahah Did you even read my post?
I said his talking helped him get PAID, not put up WAR. How do you talk your way into numbers, like WAR, anyway? haha
Did you read your own post? You said “his skill” was that “Ortiz talks too much”. I’m saying His Skill is hitting. If I missed something its because your comment is very unclear.
My issue is he wants to talk extension every year.
That’s because practically every year he is on a one year deal
Eh. Ortiz is like many players–he wants to get paid as much as he can, he doesn’t like waiting, he’s a little thin-skinned, and a little bit of a prima donna. I don’t blame him. I also don’t blame the Red Sox for waiting. That’s a very tough-minded FO, and they clearly have something in mind. And he is just a DH-a terrific hitting one, but a DH nonetheless. The truth is, Ortiz is powerless, and he knows it, and that irritates him. He’s reacting to the fans reacting to him, but his real issue should be with the front office. And they don’t have to do anything. They can see how the season goes, and either offer him something longer, or a QO, or, if he tails off, cut him loose.
Well said. The one difference I see is that the FO want to see him healthy in ST and will want to resolve this quickly. Neither side is benefited by a drawn out stand-off, especially with the media baiting Ortiz like they have been.
Fans are complaining? As a practically discarded player, Ortiz was signed and played for dirt cheap for a while, so I think it’s a bit unfair to criticize him for wanting to get paid. There’s that, and the fact that he might just be another Dave Winfield in terms of longevity.
An open letter to David Ortiz:
By making your desires public you invited the opinions of supporters and critics alike. Please stop using the fans and media as a negotiating tactic. You are a multimillionaire in a position that most people cannot relate to. Issues involving your contract are best kept private. The Red Sox front office is full of intelligent people who are likely to see through this tactic.
Now go hit some homeruns and defend this title.