SATURDAY, 7:52am: The deal is "pretty much done," reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports that both Beckett and Crawford have agreed to waive their no-trade clauses while Rosenthal adds that both clubs have signed off on the medicals.
FRIDAY, 10:00pm: Crawford has the Dodgers on his partial no-trade list and the outfielder has yet to be asked to accept a trade, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (via Twitter). It has been previously reported that Crawford can block trades to two clubs but Heyman writes that Crawford has the ability to block trades to three teams.
9:34pm: Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine says that he still expects Beckett to make his start on Saturday, tweets Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe.
9:01pm: The Dodgers are expected to pick up more than $260MM of the $271.5MM in combined salary that the Red Sox are sending to them, a source tells Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald.
6:45pm: The Dodgers have agreed to send Webster, De La Rosa, Loney, Sands, and De Jesus to the Red Sox, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter). Meanwhile, a source tells Rob Bradford of WEEI (Twitter link) not to expect a deal to be completed tonight.
6:42pm: The Red Sox have yet to secure permission from Beckett, who has 10-and-5 rights, or Crawford, who has a partial no-trade clause, a source tells Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com. However, neither player is expected to block the deal.
6:38pm: Pitcher Allen Webster will go to the Red Sox in the trade, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter).
6:15pm: The Red Sox and Dodgers are currently reviewing medical records, according to Alex Speier of WEEI.com (via Twitter). The deal would include Rubby De La Rosa, James Loney, Jerry Sands, Ivan De Jesus, and a top prospect, according to Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com (Twitter link).
6:04pm: Adrian Gonzalez was scratched from the lineup and summoned from the dugout into the clubhouse along with Nick Punto, according to Alex Speier of WEEI.com (via Twitter).
5:52pm: There are two deals on the table, one mega deal involving Carl Crawford and another with just Beckett and Gonzalez, tweets Peter Abraham of The Boston Globe.
5:48pm: Though the deal may not happen in its current nine-player form, something is expected to happen, tweets Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports.
5:10pm: Dodgers minor leaguers in the trade talks have included Allen Webster, Zach Lee, Rubby De La Rosa, and Jerry Sands, tweets Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times.
5:06pm: The Red Sox would receive prospects and not just salary relief if the deal happens, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.
4:52pm: Boston would send some cash to Los Angeles if the sides complete a deal Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports. Morosi confirms that the sides are close to a trade (Twitter links).
4:34pm: The Red Sox and Dodgers are closing in on a trade that would send Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett, Carl Crawford and Nick Punto to Los Angeles, Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com reports (on Twitter). Hurdles remain, but the sides continue working toward a deal.
The Dodgers recently won the claiming rights to Gonzalez and Beckett. Gonzalez can't block a trade to Los Angeles, but Beckett must approve any assignment as a player with ten and five rights. Crawford and Punto cleared waivers earlier this month and can be traded without waiver-related restrictions.
The Dodgers have been willing to take on considerable salaries since their new ownership group gained control of the club at the beginning of the 2012 season. Adding the four Red Sox players would represent a substantial financial commitment:
- Gonzalez will earn $21MM per season through 2016 and obtain a raise to $21.5MM for 2017-18. The total exceeds $130MM when accounting for the remainder his 2012 salary.
- Beckett will earn $15.75MM per season through 2014. As noted above, he must approve any trade.
- Crawford will earn $20MM in 2013, $20.25MM in 2014, $20.5MM in 2015, $20.75MM in 2016 and $21MM in 2017. His contract allows him to block trades to two teams.
- Punto earns $1.5MM per season through 2013.
The Dodgers claimed Cliff Lee on waivers earlier this month after trading for Shane Victorino, Hanley Ramirez, Joe Blanton and Brandon League. The Dodgers would have to place MLB players on waivers before trading them to Boston, which could complicate trade talks.
Zach Links contributed to this post, which was originally published on August 24th.
If this gets done, this is an NBA style deal for Cherington.
I thought i was speechless with the Vernon Wells. Now im speechless
I was kind of hoping the Dodgers would take Wells off our hands this offseason. Oh well.
there’s still hope
Shed… ALL the salary.
Shed your saaaaaaalary/find a better place to.. allocate resources..
yea…right back into Henrey’s pocket…
money isnt an issue for the redsox. henrey is a multi billionaire. we will shed salary and then spend it on…nothing…
I don’t understand why fans of any team (I see Phillies fans do this all the time) think that these owners are just going to throw money around because they can. They’re in this to make money.
They’re not going to take a loss just to appease some guy on a message board.
This would have to involve prospects on the Dodgers’ end, no? I haven’t heard of any MLB level Dodgers clearing waivers….
Can’t PTBNLs be used to get around the waivers?
Yeah, I’m pretty sure they can. That’s a good point.
PTBNL can remain anonymous until the season is over especially when the player involved is a 1st year signee (who can’t officially be dealt) and when teams want to dodge waivers. It’s done all the time.
You actually have 6 months to name a PTBNL, but yeah, the point remains the same.
6 months to name a PTBNL, BUT 1 year for a draftee.. The Red Sox are not within the window where they can send this year’s draftees..
Right, but nobody was talking about this year’s draftees.
To be honest, I would actually hope that the Dodgers gave up nothing for the absolute garbage sent to them by the Red Sox…
ESPN’s Sean McDonough was on WEEI (Boston) about 5 minutes ago, claims this could be a hacked twitter. Hope not, this would be amazing at this time of year!
Also, if it were to go through, you’d have to include, depending on salaries eaten, Lee, Loney, Uribe, and a Joc Pederson type.
Also, no deal from the Sox end, no deal unless Ben gets a middle reliever back, with Bobby, Lackey, and some Popeye’s gift cards are going to LA. [/sarcasm]
This would HAVE to include Dee Gordon and Zach Lee, plus a good chunk more. I nkw that the Dodgers are eat a LOOOOOT of salary, but a trade like this totally blows up Boston’s team, what with not having more than 2 potentially-good SPs and losing aruguably their best hitter.
I don’t know how this could happen when it probably means a 3-year rebuilding process for Boston, even if the Dodgers DID give them good prospects. Without 4 or 5 good prospects (which Idon’t think L.A. even has to spare), this could set Boston back 5 years or lead to even more horrible contracts.
You can have Dee Gordon.
de la rosa is the key imo
Yeah agreed
I don’t think they are all that interested in Gordon.
Yeah, but you have to get guys with upside in this, and he has that, even if he’s had contact and fielding issues.
Gordon has no upside… He’s a fast little guy, with no other skills… He’s peaked..
Peaked in less than 1 full season of major league play at 24 years old?
<3 😀
If I were the Sox, I would unload those deals. I can’t imagine the Sox wouldn’t get a few prospects.
Nick Punto lol
He’d clearly be the centerpiece of this deal.
When you have the opportunity to solidify your infield with an aging .220 hitter… I mean, you really have to jump at that, don’t you.
When signing Jamey Carroll, Mark Ellis, and Aaron Miles over the offseason isn’t enough…Nick Punto!
Cornering the market on pesky, small, and expendable white middle infielders.
If it means Juan Uribe being released, it is worth it.
Slick Back would be proud of you.
When you factor in salary, he’s the 2nd best piece going to LA….possibly the best if AGon doesnt rebound.
He’s the key to the whole deal
i dont like this AT ALL. give them beckett and be done with it.
The one Red Sox fan in the world who is not happy with this deal.
ugh, the thought of rebuilding from scratch. no hopes of playoffs in the near future, gaping holes to fill, something tells me this will only lead to more poor LT FA signings.
Relax guys………….$$$ and the off season, we’ll be fine
$$$ and the offseason, coupled with a fanbase that demands to win now. add in a subpar FA class and you can clearly see my concerns
PLEASE no more huge free agent contracts! Haven’t we learned?
Also, what is there to spend money on this offseason?
I understand, but I think Cherrington is the type willing to give more money for less years, not guargantuan 8 year-like deals
I’d prefer more money over fewer years in most cases, but the players don’t always go for it, and it’s still not usually the best thing to do.
I don’t like the idea of losing Gonzalez, but if the return is good enough I’ll get over it pretty quick.
the immediate question is where does the money go? greinke? maybe they plan to shy away from big ticket free agents, but his price comes down every day in LA these days
i’d like to see cherington make some moves that fully restore my confidence in baseball operations
Would Greinke really be that kind of move though?
I guess it would depend on the money and years involved, but as much as I love Greinke (seriously, I would love to have him on the Sox) that kind of contract scares me for any pitcher.
right. on the right contract he absolutely would. on the presumed contract, he absolutely wouldn’t
frankly, if you’re going to overhaul the roster to this degree, i vote for exploring other radical changes through trades. that’s partly because i think some great talent could be added and partly because i think it kinda sounds like fun
Totally with you. I know not everyone feels this way, but prospects and the moves made by the front office are as fun to follow for me as the major league team (probably more fun at this point).
“Internal belief within BOS org. is that this would signal end of run that started in 2003; they’re getting back to scouting/development.”
-olney. best update so far
Oh God yes.
So, how much more likely do you think this makes an Upton trade this winter? They’ve almost certainly got to be more interested at this point right (or at least more interested in adding someone to the outfield).
spitballing, it may double the likelihood…from 5% to 10%. still a long shot, but they’ll probably spend twice as long considering/attempting it
really not happy to lose gonzalez so quickly, but that’d make me forget about him very quickly
Yeah, I’m a Gonzalez fan (and an even bigger fan of his contract), so it does suck (I was actually hopeful of Beckett being at least serviceable next year and Crawford finally being back to his old self too, but dumping their contracts doesn’t hurt my feelings).
Also, I kind of worry that the owners will feel like they have to make a splash to keep the fans happy, rather than just adding the best fit(s) both talent and contract-wise. If they go the free agent route the only real splashes to make are Hamilton and Greinke, both of whom would be awesome to have on the team, but both of whom are going to cost way too much and have real concerns going forward. That’s kind of why I’m really hoping for an Upton trade (well, that and the obvious “because he’s friggin’ awesome”), adding him would be a definite splash, but would actually be a good move.
Would be nice to see Ben be able to clean up some of Theo’s mess, to be quite honest. I can’t imagine if something like this happens, though. o.o
Exactly what I was thinking. This would fix most of the mess Theo created right before he left.
i am amazed it has gotten this far
are you serious
Great post.
Ben Cherington’s moment to shine.
This might be the biggest moment of his entire career, depending on how/if this goes down.
Im kind of busy right now! Ill keep you posted!
Wow….that would be a blockbuster
Dodgers likely sending their top prospects, Dodgers taking on all that salary? Wild.
No to the Top prospects, Dodgers have money; but Stan Kasten will make sure not to get ripped off here.. hopefully.
I’d send Allen Webster…..
Also… Nick Punto????
Punto To Be Named Later
Yeah.. They can get Ray Guy out of retirement to “punto” him away..
What in the world would we get back? Chicken and beer for life?
Salary relief
to be spent on what? there arnt any decent free agents out there..and remember..the price for free agents rises each and every offseason. in a few years those big name FA’s will be getting 30+million a season
What I’m seeing doesn’t seem to be much. Prior to this season, only one of the 4 prospects ranked in the top 20 in the Dodger chain (Allen Webster @ #3) according to Baseball Prospectus. Also included were Rubby DeLaRosa, Jerry Sands & Ivan De Jesus Jr.
De Jesus is the son of the former Cub/Philly/etc. shortstop of the same name. No idea if any of the other 3 are related to Jorge, Mitch or the old Vegas casino.
Not sure what the Dodgers are thinking, but GREAT deal for the Sox.
Fantastic if this happens. For the Dodgers…I’m just confused. Their current product will improve, but this will be an expensive team.
Shaikin speculated about this yesterday.
If this happens it’s a great deal for both teams. The dodgers have a ton of money and it’s managed by same people for once. They get an all star 1stbasemen. A 4th of for now who provides insurance of Shane leave via free agency and is ready to back up withers eventual dl trip. A playoff proven starter and a glove first utility man. Take on all of Adrian’s contract and all of becketts. While taking on at least half of crawfords. The bosox can clear around 250 million from their payroll while getting a few prospects. You almost have to do
It
The gambler’s share isn’t always what it seems, Crawford will be 32, AGon 31, Beckett isn’t even worth it, and Punto? That’s not so nice…
Crawford is not a fourth outfielder for now. He just had TJS.
Taking on Crawford’s salary when he won’t play for a year is as good as one prospect.
Tommy John isn’t as serious for position players. He could realistically be playing before the All-Star break next season, maybe even spring training depending on who you ask.
recovery time for fielders with TJS is shorter than pitchers. he could be ready in the spring.
I like how this one has three up votes and the other one has one down vote…
^ What Kevin said.
Zack Cozart of the Cincinnati Reds underwent TJ surgery right around this time last year and was engaging in baseball activities by December, and was easily 100% before spring training started.
Cozart had a quick recovery because he had TJ on his none throwing arm. Crawford is having it on his left elbow, his throwing arm
This is just plain bananas
Insane if it actually goes through.
Punto has to be the key piece…
As a side not.. Is it 1965 again? I feel like a youngster all over, only.. Where is Reggie Smith, Mike Andrews, Tony “C”, Joe Foy?? I don’t quite think Boston’s farm is quite ready to bring up the youngsters yet.. 1 more year…
But ’67 was a bunch of young players…. and a prime-of-his-career Triple Crown winner. Who’s the Yaz on this team? Pedroia?
LOl Yaz was the “vet” on the Impossible Dream team.. he broke in back in ’61… Ah those kids.. They were all young for the most part, even a Yankee veteran in Ellie Howard.. Most all were young kids.
Elston Howard must be the pioneer of the media cliche of “veteran presence” because of his role on the 67 Sox. How else will a .178/.233/.244 hitter be 17th in MVP voting?
Ellie Howard had one of the greatest throwing arms in the history of the game supposedly and could block about anything thrown up to the plate. When anyone thinks of defensive 1st catcher? he was the guy, or back then one would have named him.
He was a godsend on that team (67 Sox) even as old as he was and anchored the young, kiddie corp that they had.
you can get some kind of idea as to his arm just by glancing over his SB/CS%.. it was generally in the **POSITIVE** 50% range and he could block nearly anything, he was just outstanding behind the dish, just wasn’t much of a hitter and never got a chance to shine with NY for many years because of this guy named.. Yogi berra..
Edit:
I only saw the few games back then that were shown on National TV and WS at the end part of his NYY career, but thought he was brilliant also and of course his short Sox career.
People not on Dodgers 40 man roster would have to be involved so that means no Sands or Alex C. or Loney.
Could be PTBNL
Red Sox have to be picking up money on Crawford I would think. LA can’t be that bullish on him, can they?
He’s overpaid even if he duplicates his career average stats prior to the Red Sox for the rest of the contract…. so yes, I think it would have to involve some cash movement.
Pretty much what I was thinking. Some one in Los Angeles must hate Jerry Sands.
Magic watched his Lakers put a fantasy team together, so he wants to do the same with the Dodgers
Good deal for the Red Sox. They finally realize there current roster isn’t getting it done.
My head just exploded.
What’s the biggest trade of all time? This would be up there.
The Babe.
Babe Ruth was sold, not traded.
Today that would be called “cash considerations.”
Yes, when goods or services get “traded”, we call it a sale. In this case it was a person’s services. The “transaction” was no less significant just because if a technicality in language.
Traded for money
Dollar-wise, this has got to be the biggest depending on how much the Dodgers intend on eating.
A-Rod for Soriano and Arias, 2/16/04, if we’re talking monetary figures.
The Red Sox have 99 Problems, and the Dodgers want most of them.
Is that something like:
99 bottles of beer on the wall?
And 99 buckets of chicken!
Ah man.. Didn’t think of that angle… Does that mean the cheesy and lame chicken and beer jokes slide over to LAD fans if Becket goes to the LAD? We’ll see if it is just posters dislike of Boston, or if it is dislike of Beckett should the deal happen huh Karkat.
I heard roscoes chicken and waffles already had an order for beckett they were gonna deliver to the stadium…
If there were 99 bottles of beer in Colletti’s office, he’s probably about 2/3rds of the way through them now.
If that is the “case”? Send ’em Lackey also if Boston is rebuilding.. get rid of all the Red Sox large salaries. Cherrington can drink some “near beer” until Colletti gets toasted enough to have 2 guys with TJ surgery. It would have to be a record, making a deal with 2 guys under the knife with TJ/recovering from that surgery.
Ho ho ho, you get a like for the pun alone, but excellent discussion, and got me thinking, who do the Red Sox use to plug the holes with until the off-season?
I figure if they **even do** move CC, Gonzalez, beckett? they do a rebuild.. it’s going to be lean for a couple years.
Hernandez, Wright next year from Pawtucket (neither is high rated) and wait for Barnes, Britton, Workman in another year or 2 in the rotation as the main guys.
OF? They already have kalish that should be in the MLB and bradley (top prospect anyway to take ellsbury’s place) is supposed to be ready by the end of next year.
In part of Lackey’s contract, the Sox could have him for the major league minimum due to time on the DL, I think….i remember fearing this guy when he was on the Angel’s….for pennies, a healthy Lackey might be a bargain.
It just added 1 more season at MLB min. Still 2 more at 16m and 1 tacked on at like 500k if Boston wants to pick up the 2016 team option for 500k, or whatever min will be then now.
This might not be the place to post it?
But both WEEI and ESPN boston are posting actual up to date stories, rather then twitter links….
could that mlb min year be transferred if hes traded
Yeah. it was for a pre existing injury that Boston had put into his contract before they signed it. seems Boston had worries (thanks epstein 🙁 ) about his elbow before giving out that contract and 1 year with a team option at mlb min, as a team option is the price Lackey had to pay if he had to go under the knife for that pre existing injury, so he gets traded, that option goes to the team also.
Hopefully Bobby Valentine doesn’t show up in the deal
We should trade Bobby for a bucket of balls
how can you say that record isnt his fault. the redsox would be the 3rd worst team in the american leauge if we had francona, its the players not valentine.
I would give the dodgers Beckett and lackey for sellers and Elbert
That would be way too much for the Dodgers to give up.
no it isnt based on their carrer’s. it all depends on how well the redsox can sell the fact that they still have somthing left in the tank
Great move for the Red Sox
I guess the goal for the dodgers is to win as many games as possible playing teams not named the Giants. Because, SF’s pitching will shut down great hitters.
Doesn’t Loney have to clear waivers to get traded?
I think he already did, didn’t he?
cleared last week
lmao.good one
You sir….are amazing. Well done. Hats off. Round of applause.
260 of the 271 owed? So not only are the Dodgers paying 3 times more for Adrian, they are mortgaging their future?
Nooo…..not Nick Punto!!!
Dodgers making MLBTR some serious ad revenue today.
Lol at all the people who’ve been saying “no story here” all day. I’m not saying that this trade happens, but clearly the story has legs.
I will guess The Trade, The Dodgers trade Pitcher Zach Lee, Javy Guerra, 1st Baseman-Outfielder Jerry Sands, 1st Baseman James Loney, Shortstop Dee Gordan, Outfielder Trent Otjuen, Pitcher Scott Elbert, 1st Baseman-Outfielder Alex Castrellanos, Outfielder Scott Van Slyke,
That would be a really good haul for the Red Sox. I’m just skeptical it’ll be that good because of the talk that Crawford is in the deal.
It wouldn’t take that much to get this package, given the salaries involved. Also, the Sox would have zero interest in Gordon, as they have plenty of shortstops in the pipeline. Castellanos and two pitchers, plus a couple of out-of-favor prospects, should get the job done.
I think the dodgers would give victorino and alex hinshaw, in addition to paying for the majority, back to boston. Not certain, but the dodgers don’t need 4 outfielders, and he’s the only sensible one on the move. Also, there’s a chance Blanton would be moving too, because the Dodgers don;t need 6 pitchers, in addition to Ted Lilly and De La Rosa rehabbing. Nonetheless, I’m interested to see what will happen. However, I’m certain the Sox receive more players, in addition to what I just stated.
Crawford is out for the season so he wouldn’t be the 4th OF.
Duh, I forgot. Ignore everything, but now we know Vic won’t be resigned. This would be a good trade for LA future. Crawford needs to be leadoff
If the Dodgers are feeling generous, they can take Jason Bay as well. The Mets will give him away.
like the guts the dodgers are showing. it’s a lot of salary though.
I’m a broken record. I repeat just because you put together a super team on paper, it doesn’t mean it will translate into wins.
Salary relief is not enough to justify getting rid of A-Gon. He’s the only one of the group actually earning his money.
That’s about $275M going to LA.. Good lord
I am really hoping this blows up in their face if it happens. Shocking spending over the past 6 months. Were forgetting how awful the Ethier deal is
Nice……looks like Magic and crew are going to send the Dodger’s into bankruptcy faster than McCourt was on track to do.
Fire sale! Fire sale! Fire sale!
@Morosi…..
O rly??
Dodgers owners must believe the Mayans and so money doesn’t matter.
Dec 11, Sacrifice Night at Chavez Ravine
Is this real?
I keep making sure my browser doesn’t say “The Onion Sports”
i can type, but am still pretty speechless
“Hmm, clouded judgement have they”
Could the Red Sox trade for “players to be named later” with a handshake as to who those players will be in order to avoid them clearing waivers?
yes
Dodgers get a # 3 or 4 pitcher who could get much better in NL & Dodger Stadium. Crawford will take Victorino’s spot who will be gone via free agency, AGON is still a legit star, Punto is the trash.
Crawford will be on the DL the remainder of this season though.
What would the Dodgers give up? Besides salary relief.
Ya see, the NL has something called pinch hitters. Beckett will be one.
Andre Ethier is buddies with Pedroia. Bring him along with someone else
There is no way this deal gets done as stated. Not even the new $$$ Dodgers have that kind of cash. Let’s not forget the penalties they will have to pay. They are desperate and are afraid they can no longer keep up with the Giants. yet the Giants don’t even have half the Dodgers payroll.
Dodgers showing that theyre willing to spend money… Not wisely but willing.
I agree they seem to be spending money just for the sake of spending money
We expect see flashy new hairstyles or side by side beach front villas usually though, don’t knock it.
Sorry, did the Yankees relocate to the Left Coast?
Attention all MLB teams! If you have an overpaid under preforming player send them to LA. Either the Dodgers or Angels will take him!
Sorry bud Reagins was canned.
The Dodgers are OUT OF THEIR MIND!!! Why would you even bother taking on the Beckett and Crawford contracts?…I understand Agon but why?…this is a very questionable trade for the Dodgers regardless of how much cap the Dodgers have.
To sweeten the deal and make Boston give us A-Gone. Loney and Rivera have been disappointments and the Dodgers still need reinforcements to knock the Giants out of contention.
kemp either and a healthy crawford in the outfield….agon and hanley at the corners…
I’d like to propose a 3-way trade… Dodgers get Gonzalez, Crawford, Beckett and Punto, White Sox get Clayton Kershaw, and Red Sox get a note from Kevin Youkilis that reads “Thanks for getting me the He// out of there.”
I laughed out loud!
lmfao. Kershaw isn’t going anywhere, but keep dreaming.
Darn, I really thought my completely realistic, 100% non-sarcastic trade proposal had a chance.
Laughed so hard at that!
Oh Baby, so LA is the New Yankees? Howard was nuts….A-Gone I get it…. but taking a injured guys 100 Mil deal and Beckett? lol Punto lol WTH
Punto a local guy went to high school about an hour south of la
If this goes through there may still be hope to trade Vernon Wells.
maybe giants can take wells now that the dodgers are done with angel leftovers
Dear Dodgers, Ryan Howard is available.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hate to even bring this up…. but Howard might be a viable target for the Red Sox in the offseason. Take on a lot of the money and send one of the shortstops (Bogaerts, most likely) plus some other pieces. I think the Phils would do that in a heartbeat, and it gives the Red Sox a power bat to replace Ortiz as DH in the long run.
Bogaerts for Howard would be a hilariously bad trade for Boston even if the Phils picked up his whole salary. This has to be a joke.
Maybe toss in Jackie Bradley’s salary to even things out. 🙂 Yeah awful proposal.
I would do that in a heart beat if I am the Phillies.
Not being the Phillies myself, I am sure Rube would shoot it down.
Lesley Nielson just died? What in gods name is going on today? lol I bet this trade happens
Each update that comes in sounds rosier than the last.. Like:
“The Red Sox would receive prospects and not just salary relief if the deal happens, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports”
This is just too good to be true.. LAD fans must be punching holes in walls over this and Boston fans jumping with glee it “appears” so 1 sided.. We ain’t getting the entire picture (or close to it) or some writers are blowing smoke out of a huge orifice.
Edit:
1st bit of negative news on WEEI has Looney Loney going to Boston.. At least he is a FA after the season.. It also stated there that the savings would allow Boston to pursue a lower priced FA in the off season to play 1b.
I’m a Yankees fan, and I’m punching holes in walls over this.
Can kind of understand this on the face of what we are seeing thus far. Boston isn’t getting anybody of value in return.. A couple of utility people they have better at Pawtucket already in Lin and Nate Spears, a couple of pitchers ranked well below many they already have in the system..
This is a plain and simple salary dump.. Just see if Boston pays much (if any) of the leftover, cause they sure didn’t get any talent in return for Gonzo in the deal.
I’m excited as a Yankees fan, because I’ve been waiting for a rs sale. Beckett’s and Agon’s contracts are really not that bad, and I think CC should be healthy next year.
Beckett could be an ace if he gets things straightened out, and agon is an mvp type player, pair him with kemp and you have a nice 3/4. Not quite as good as Miggy/Fielder but one top middle order, and doesn’t completely sacrifice D to get there.
Is this a dream? What is going on right now?
“Noooooooooooooooooooooo” – James Loney & Juan Rivera at the same time
Will Red Sox send cash, beer & chicken?
This joke is still going on?
No , The Sox are sending cash to the Dodgers and LA is sending beer and chicken to Boston
I think this makes a lot of sense for Boston….gives them money to go after Swisher or Hamilton
Swisher wants a $100 million contract…much rather get Hamilton.
Doubt Swisher gets anywhere near that
Swisher can want $1 billion. It doesn’t really matter what he wants. What matters is what teams are willing to offer him.
Nick Punto: The Joe Zanussi of the 21st Century
I am in complete and utter shock. Salary relief AND prospects!? Including Sands, Lee, etc?
I’m blown away. This would have been laughed at as a suggestion weeks ago.
Forget Sands! Webster, Lee, and De La Rosa! That is stupid.
That is way too many prospects to give up! De La Rosa better not go anywhere!
Depends how much salary we’re taking on. If the Dodgers are taking on all of it, I agree. But if the Red Sox are paying a fair amount of Beckett and Crawford’s salaries, I can deal with Sands and Lee and Webster. Gordon and De La Rosa, no! I’m higher on De La Rosa than any of our pitching prospects.
de la rosa has got to be the key from boston’s perspective
Where does Matt Kemp now play?
Centerfield.
Victorino?
Left for the rest of the year. Safe to assume he won’t be resigned once he hits FA at the end of the year
So after Magic Johnson spent 2 billion to buy the dodgers his group has now decided to buy the Red Sox
Magic Johnson only owns 7 percent of the team he was just the face that was able to get the deal done. Guggenheim partners was the money man
I realize that Johnson didn’t have 2 billion to spent, but he’s the face of the ownership group, like Ryan in Texas.
Ryan is also a minority owner, but is the CEO, Magic is not the CEO of the Dodgers.
Bravo.
You win the “quote of the day” award
Freaky Friday 2
The Dodgers are getting the short end of the stick in this deal but I’m down with it.
Someone fill me in on these prospects. I don’t know the Dodgers farm system at all.
Well Lee and Webster are the Dodgers #1 and #2 ranked prospects on mlb.com. Sands and De la Rosa are not on the top 20 list on the site…
In reality, De La Rosa is the Dodgers top prospect. He isn’t ranked this season because he made his debut last year, but he is better than Lee or Webster.
Sounds good to me! He is also post Tommy John which I guess these days is a good thing.
That pretty much is the Dodger’s farm. The others simply aren’t worth much at this point.
I’m guessing Rubby and Sands will go. Acceptable trade for Adrian Gonzalez/$$$$ as far as I’m concerned. That’s a TON of money the Dodgers are taking on. As a Dodgers fan, I am ecstatic about having Gonzalez in the lineup. Beckett in the rotation I am iffy over, but down for the idea of him rebounding in the NL.
If the Dodgers are willing to take on Beckett and Crawford’s contracts, they’re doing so in order to give up LESS in terms of prospects for Adrian Gonzalez. Beckett and Crawford have negative trade value. Gonzalez is the only guy in the bunch that has positive trade value, and the inclusion of Crawford and Beckett would be to negate that value.
In other words, don’t expect to be getting a lot back from the Dodgers other than salary relief if this deal goes through. No Gordon, no Castellanos, no Van Slyke, no De La Rosa. I’m not sure anyone from the 40-man roster would clear waivers anyway, aside from Uribe and Rivera…
This would obviously change if the Red Sox were paying a decent chunk of salary, though.
Or all of them … lol
I’d suspect that the quality of prospects in the deal is directly correlated with the amount of Crawford’s deal the Red Sox are willing to pay for.
“I was just kidding I can play tomorrow night!” – Carl Crawford
Crawford and A-Gon alone are over $200 mil. you throw in Becketts last two years and change and that adds up to about $254 for a total of four players. There isnt a lot in terms of Free Agents this coming off-season(Josh Hamilton will be the big name) but unloading that kind of money helps immensely.
If this gets done, I wonder if they would go after Hamilton…Lf would be open and he pretty much replaces the production of Gonzalez.
It would be interesting to see if they would make a run with Hamilton’s off the field history since that has been a focal point for players on this years team. I would be intrigued to see what their plan would be at 1st and the starting rotation.
I would think they would make a run at Hamilton, but I think he is ultimately priced out of the range they feel comfortable with.
Would have tons of prospects to throw at Arizona for a certain right fielder though…
Surely some of Crawford’s 2012/13 salary is covered by insurance. If BOS sends some cash to receive prospects, chances are LAD would be taking on 160-180 Million, still a tasty commitment.
Come to think of it the red sox gave up a ton for Gonzalez so would this be worth it?
Baseball needs salary cap, this is ridiculous…
Salary Cap would do nothing
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That’s what the $189MM Salary ‘ Threshold ‘ in 2014 is all about.
So if the Sox send Beckett, Crawford, Gonzalez and Punto does anyone have any idea of which possible prospects they would get? I would be really sad to see Gonzalez go but if thats how they get rid of Becketts and Crawfords contracts then let it be. I wonder if they are planning to use some of this money to extend Ellsbury in the offseason.
This isn’t even a video game trade. This is mind blowing reality.
With this trade the Red Sox have comPletely blown up a team who could have won this division had things broke in their favor. They will have to undergo years of a rebuild and trading Agon will surely cripple them.
Props to LA for taking this risk financially. They really improved their team for te better this deadline.
Why would they have to go through years of rebuild?
They can address some of their issues through free agency
Here’s the list of their potential targets in the offseason if this goes down:
Josh Hamilton
Cody Ross
BJ Upton
Grady Sizemore
Nick Swisher
Ryan Dempster
Edwin Jackson
Kyle Lohse
Brandon McCarthy
Jake Peavy
So the point is, Crawford and Beckett can be replaced with money in the offseason. If they want to replace Agon, they will have to dig into the farm because the FA crop is worthless at 1b this year. But they could take the prospects from the Dodgers and flip them as part of the package and the rebuild is complete, in one offseason.
So the question is, WHAT ARE THE DODGERS THINKING???
That pitcher list does not seem to have much potential to strike fear into the hearts of the Yankees, Rays, Orioles, and Jays…
They’re more likely to go after pitching via trade and spend their FA money on the hitters. They’ll absolutely talk to Hamilton if this deal gets done, and may seek to extend Ellsbury as well. Ross makes a lot of sense if he’ll take a 2 or 3 year deal. Upton’s probably a bad fit and will wind up overpaid, and Swisher’s going to try and break the bank. Sizemore might be a worthwhile gamble if the money’s right, though.
OR the sox
Could go
Young god forbid.
Also dempster is proving he is an NL pitcher. I’d bet the nats lock up Jackson.
As for your outfielders you have two huge injury risks in Hamilton and Sizemore. A 4th of in Ross. And 2 over rate players in swisher ad upton.
While you’re right that the 1B market is extremely weak, LaRoche has been excellent this year and will be a FA, and Swisher is an option for 1B as well. And Napoli, but he’s been pretty bad this year.
take Kevin Gregg too
$250m just to get rid of Loney, Rivera and Uribe…
Oh no….not Nick Punto! Say it ain’t so…..
If I were the Giants, I would be making under the table offers to Beckett to invoke his 10 & 5 rights right now.
Is some hybrid of Amaro & Dipoto running things for Magic Johnson?
Dipoto is a stud. Why would you lump him in this mess?
Actually I meant Reagins but I’m throwing Dipoto in there anyways.
Bill Shaikin’s reporting that Rubby was claimed by the Jays, so he’s been pulled off waivers and sent to AAA. He thinks it’s to shut him down until the end of the year, when he’ll be moved to BOS as a PTBN.
I doubt De La Rosa would get beyond the 1st team that could claim him on waivers, let alone all the way to the AL…
Dodgers need a bigger stadium!!! They will go broke soon
so who rides the bench Victorino or Crawford?
Crawford is riding a gurney.
Crawford is out till next year…Tommy John
Victorino is a free agent at the end of the year it would mean he would not be resigned
Victorino won’t get resigned if Crawford lands here. Too much money
Crawford’s washed up and VIctorino’s going to get away. Bah!
This is the biggest wash-up deal I’ve seen for the Dodgers. Worse than the Penny/Pee-Soup DePodesta trade if all the people involved get traded. Gonzalez is the only one worth anything. It shouldn’t take that many players to off-load Loney.
too soon to say that. If Boston take on significant Crawford money, it might be a good thing.
True, but in this whole thing I can think of more useful ways to spend money than take on Beckett and Crawford…Ugh. Hopefully, they’re Yankee rich cuz they’re taking on significant risk.
Remind me who the Dodgers lost in the DePo trade???
Future Hall-of-Famers, Paul LoDuca, Juan Encarnacion and Guillermo Mota.
Yeah, we Dodgers got fleeced!
Except, In the NL West, it’s not a stretch to thing Beckett could get
back to form and be a solid starter. Agon is gonna be good no matter
where he plays. Crawford and Punto are just eh. The only thing I really
dislike is Crawford’s salary, but there’s apparently salary relief going
to LA. I also don’t no much about the prospects at hand.
Baseball business is weird. The Dodgers just sign Yasiel Puig to a seven year deal worth 42 million. He’s not really hitting the ball right now but then again he hasn’t played in a year, so I’ll give him credit on that. The one guy that is hitting the ball is Joc Pederson in Rancho Cucamonga. So I think that’s why Sand’s name has come up in trade talk so then the Dodgers can bring up Blake Smith to triple A for some outfield depth which would mean Pederson would go to Double A, if not next this year but next year.
The Dodgers then go after Ramirez, Victorino and Blanton. Blanton and Victorino aren’t hitting the ball, so now there going after Gonzalez, Crawford, Beckett, and Punto? Sending four players to the Dodgers who’s contracts are worth more than 250 million dollars is kind of questionable because I don’t get why the Dodgers would go out and trade for two players who haven’t been playing well and another who is injury prone. I can’t see the commissioner approving this deal, but then again the Dodgers have the money, so I guess anything is possible.
I guess as a fan of the Dodgers I don’t agree with this type of deal because A.) Crawford is not the same old Crawford as he use to be when he was with the Rays B. ) Beckett sucks, or he’s pretending to suck to get out of Boston. C.) Why are we getting Nick Punto, the guy is hitting .200 we might as well keep the highest paid bench warmer Uribe on the team, but it doesn’t look to good for him on his part.
Uh, Puig is doing spectacular… .339/.446/.629/1.075
lol right
Update from ESPN:
Rubby De La Rosa, Loney, Jerry Sands (OF), Ivan DeJesus (2B, SS) to Sox.
All we don’t know now is how much salary of the $250+ million the Red
Sox would take on. The two teams are reportedly reviewing medicals, and
both Beckett and Crawford would have to approve the deal.
As a Dodger fan, De La Rosa would hurt. That kid has ace written all over him. I’d rather give up Lee or Reed, who both seem overhyped to me.
But, provided the Red Sox are paying a decent chunk of Beckett and Crawford’s salaries, I could live with this.
Ken Rosenthal says it’s very close to happening.
Please take Lackey as well!!! I hate the guy so much!
Don’t get greedy, now.
Next year. He’s got to pitch.
Realize people that the free agency market has gotten weaker and weaker. Small market teams are resigning there players well before they hit free agency.
Trades are the only way (almost) to land the big stars. Just like Josh Hamilton, is he wasn’t suspect in the past, I”m sure Rangers would have offered him an extension sooner.
The refresh button is gonna get a workout tonight.
Major thank you to Carlos Lee for making this all possible. Slug.
Guess the Dodger’s are trying to become a 4th place team by taking on the Sox players.
(How it went down)Ok…You want Adrian , Ned – “Yes”, Would you be willing to take Beckett?, Ned – “Yes”, Uh huuh….Would you be willing to take Crawford?, Ned “Yes”, Uh Huuuuuuuuh……..would you be willing to take punto (covers the phone darn it i meant to say Lackey!) .. Ned “Yes” .
Honestly, I’m confused. Is this a good deal for the Dodgers?
No, not really.
Damn. At face value, really looked good for us. Oh well. : /
2012:
Beckett replaces Harang
Gonzalez replaces Loney
Punto replaces Kennedy or Uribe
2013:
Crawford replaces Victorino
Yes, good deal.
crawford’s deal is a long-term problem, dodgers fans should be ecstatic about the short-term if the deal goes down as described
That depends, it makes their team significantly better, but that’s a lot of money, and they may find that they have holes open up and have no money left to fill them. So it could have significant implications later on down the road.
Okay, new trade proposal for the Dodgers. Jason Bay and Johan Santana for James Loney, no cash, no prospects.
I have absolutely no problem with this. At all.
If this traded is completed – even if they Sox don’t send cash – it will cost less over the next decade than what the Angels are paying A-Pujols in the same span of time.
Whatever happened to trade deadlines anyway? I know two players are waiver trades but this is crazy.
it will be completely unprecedented if it happens
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!! the Red Sox are being blown up…………expect Ellsbury next, hope not Lester
Elsbury to Rangers.
Loney’s been scratched.
Uh Oh! James Loney scratched from tonight’s lineup! Deal is going down!
Yeah let’s post that 10 more times…
Loney scratched from the lineup
Even if he’s not involved, Dodgers fans should rejoice that Loney won’t be hitting tonight.
Amen
RIght because Juan Rivera is such a revelation at first base.
I assume you mean “not hitting” tonight. 😉
In the end, these are all just prospects. Boston gets salary relief but the Dodgers with control of Agon / Beckett and potential with a healthy Crawford in a new environment win this deal based on principle alone in my opinion. Boston is trading all of their eggs in one basket to one team. This could backfire because they didn’t spread out their resources. No knocks on the dodgers farm but giving up Agon, Beckett, and Crawford is such a risky move. LA could very easily dominate this deal leaving Boston in the bottom of the division for some time.
“Backfire because they didn’t spread out their resources.” What are you trying to say? Trade each player to a separate team? They couldn’t find a suitor for one of those contracts, now they found a team to take on at least and two and maybe a third. This is a fantastic deal for the Red Sox.
Look at the guys username…any deal the Red Sox make in his eyes will have a problem with it. He makes it seem as if the Red Sox are in the same division as the Dodgers.
trading agon is so dumb. who are they going to sign to replace him? especially after giving up casey kelly and rizzo to get him…and for what? salary relief that will just go right back into John Henry’s bank account? and a couple of prospects that wont pan out?
Here we go. Loney scrAtched from lineup
James Loney scratched from the lineup. Damn a little late. Sorry haha.
Adrian Gonzalez scratched from Red Sox lineup….Loney scratched as well….Deal is complete!
Loney scratched from tonights lineup
This could be Cherington’s Anthopoulis moment.
Gonzalez scratched.
Punto also called out of the dugout into the clubhouse.
Ben Cherington just did a complete 180 in the Red Sox fans minds.
I hope Sox get a decent return at least for Gonzalez
They got a heck of a return
L.A. Dodgers: the new Yankees with former Red Sox players
Even with this deal their payroll would be well below the Yankees
I know, but what makes you think they’re done yet?
Ultimately the Dodgers can spend a lot but nobody can spend like the Yankees as nobody will ever have as large of a tv deal as the Yankees
Yeah but the Dodgers want to spend and the Yankees don’t want to take on more payroll
The Yankees want to be #1 in payroll every year
Refresh. Refresh. Refresh.
Red Sox would get RHP Rubby de la Rosa, as
PTBNL since he did not clear waivers. Also, 1b James Loney, OF Sands,
IF DeJesus, top prospect
Why Gonzo!?!?!?
My prediction: if this trade goes through, Bobby V’s back in Boston next year.
I really hope not. I wasnt against his signing when it happened but boy was I wrong. Ive seen and heard enough of the guy to know why so many disliked the signing.
I didn’t like Bobby when they signed him and like him even less now. Nonetheless, I feel like this is management and ownership showing whose side they’re on.
No way, no how. He’s definitely not a player’s coach, and if they’re going youth, they need one. I bet he’s gone before October.
I think they’re ditching the perceived malcontents, except for possibly Pedroia (that would be going too far). Ownership/management is picking a wagon to hitch to.
EDIT: I agree with you: it is not logical but nonetheless what I suspect.
As of 6:15, a top prospect with those other guys? Lee and Webster have to be part of this or the Red Sox got owned
Owned? De la Rosa and Sands are in the deal. It will all depend on how much if any money the Red Sox will have to eat.
That’s great but I still have faith in Crawford. Not living up to 20M a year but being even 3/4 of his old self is a very valuable player. And gonzo is a top 1st baseman and don’t give me he is having a power decline. All hitters struggle and that’s all it was. He’s been tearing it up.
Yeah but in terms of the Red Sox, Crawford has already cost them enough in the little time hes actually played…Gonzo is one of my favorite Red Sox but De la Rosa, Sands, Webster and De Jesus is a pretty nice haul for Agon plus getting rid of the salaries of Beckett who has little value and Crawford whose trade value is negative at this point.
De La Rosa > Lee or Webster. As a Dodger fan, he’s the last prospect I wanted to see traded…
kind of amazing how widely underrated he is around here. de la rosa is the prize among that group by a significant margin
It’s simply because he wasn’t a ranked prospect this season, having made his debut last year. He’s been overlooked due to that (regrettably to this Dodger fan, not overlooked by Red Sox scouts).
he’s an exciting prospect, but you did just gain a tremendous amount of talent for the next couple of seasons at least
James Loney was also scratched from the lineup
I was just getting used to this when I saw Loney’s name. WHY?
Free agent after this year.
Good point. Thank you for talking me down from a ledge.
Anytime.
you don’t need Loney if you have Adrian, but i get you, he’s a fan favorite, i personally liked him on our Squad, but if he’s not producing, if he stays cool, if he doesnt i wish him the best.
I think he’s asking WHY the Red Sox would even want Loney.
Someone has to play first for the rest of the season
That someone should be Jerry Sands, not James Loney.
I thought Sands is an outfielder?
Sands has split time between 1B and OF. He’s probably better suited for 1B.
Is Sands any good? I dont see him on the Dodgers top 20 or MLB’s top 100.
He’s a project. Never highly regarded by scouts, but he is leading the Pacific Coast League in numerous offensive categories. He hits for a ton of power, and not much else.
maybe, but i think he’s saying that has was just getting used to the players we are gong to give away until he saw Loney added into the mix. but i agree with A’s Fan, Loney has a crazy bad grounder to double play statistic..
Yeah, Purple is a Red Sox fan, he doesn’t want Loney.
Lets talk Tim Tebow
dodgers just traded their whole triple A team for tebow
Dodgers have to trade for half the league to stand a chance against the Giants really sad.
In my opinion, there is no possible way the red sox win this trade. The gave up a lot to get adrian, and its not like beckett has absolutely no value. Its just not possible to win this.
Yeah, but how much value does Beckett have for the Red Sox at this point? Crawford? Gonzalez i hate to see go but when you can get rid of all that salary and get prospects in return, you do it.
OMG Imagine this lineup next year:
LF Crawford
RF Ethier
1B AGon
CF Kemp
SS HanRam
3B L.Cruz
2B M.Ellis
C A.J. Ellis
That’s a great first 5 and overall, a much improved lineup.
That’s a lot of payroll to absorb though…
If they kept them all, it would probably be HanRam at 3B and Dee at SS. He’ll be back up shortly. In rehab assignment
Agreed. Luis Cruz has been a nice surprise, but it’s not going to last. Gordon is the future.
Crawford should be out most of the year in 13
nope
Makes a lot more sense to go Kemp, AGon, Hanley in the 3-4-5.
Loney to Boston? He is going to produce much more then Adrian…
It’s about to go down. (Kevin Hart voice)
Did any other Red Sox fans appreciate the email blast at 3pm from Red Sox Auctions selling Fenway bricks nobody wants? Selling off half the team being the high water mark, may as well try and cash in on the goodwill
Andre Ethier is on the verge of becoming one of the better 6-spot hitters in the game.
Red Sox just got their future ace.
Did I miss something? When did Jeffrey Loria leave the Marlins to take over the Red Sox and are there any more large contracts he can move out of Boston before the Aug. 31 deadline?
I pray to god the Red Sox don’t use that financial flexibility to sign Greinke… That would be such a mistake.
Agreed. I am wondering if they’ll try to replace Gonzalez’s bat by wooing Hamilton.
Thats what I was thinking LF is freed up and Hamilton will be a free agent. I really hope they do not get Greinke, he is the most overrated pitcher in baseball.
How on earth is Greinke overrated?
He had one great season and nothing else. He either gets bombed or pitches well, no consistency whatsoever.
he is 3rd in AL FIP behind Verlander and Hernandez
After a certain amount of innings ERA is actually a better indicator than FIP. FIP is a stat that is used to estimate and is quite flawed when used to measure past and present performance
Greinke’s not overrated, and I’d love to have him in Boston, but I don’t like the idea of giving that kind of contract (the years he’ll get in particular) to any pitcher, no matter how good they are.
Hope not. Why make clear all this payroll just to sign what is sure to be another expensive, longterm deal on a guy already in his 30s?
Anyone think the Red Sox gained a lot of leverage once the Dodgers were awarded the claim on Beckett. After that the Dodgers could have been stuck with Beckett’s salary.
I’m actually a little bit surprised that this deal is being allowed by MLB. They’ve nixed deals in the past that were far less video-game inspired. This, entire trade seems a bit fishy to me. Granted, the BoSox may be on the very verge of undoing every bad Epstein signing in one fell swoop, but something just feels off about his.
The only positives for tge red sox is to clean all that cap space BUT prospect wise it would have been better if Agon was traded alone.
Maybe they include Lackey too and the dodgers only give up two Low A players
Trade has been agreed apon by Dodgers, Loney, De Jesus, De La Rosa, Sands, Webster for Beckett, Gonzalez, Punto, Crawford
Beckett & HanRam as teammates?
Who goes to the LAD pen? Or does Blanton need to go through waivers again or what?
wouldn’t be surprised to see Blanton go through the wire again. Either that or Tolleson gets sent down until September and Blanton to the pen
Nevermind, Chad Billingsley just answered the question in the 5th inning.
This is just insane. Thats all I have to say…..INSANE!!
am I the only one who thinks the dodgers sending prospects and eating up salaries is a bit too much?
I’d imagine the Red Sox are sending cash in the deal as well. Who knows how much, though.
Depends on how much salary.
Video Game stuff.
i wish the Mets can get new owners too…
i know buddy…it sucks. As a life long dodger fan, the mccourt era was really rough. hang in there, you’ll get the right owners in there eventually.
Juan Uribe has been scratched from the Whirlpool….
Uribe looks like Mr. Brown from the tyler perry show
LOL, talk about role reversal.
The Dodgers are now the team getting the superior talent in trades by being able to eat salary.
I mean I like De La Rosa and Webster, but if anyone doesn’t think the Dodgers will end up with great SP prospects to replace them sooner than later, they are kidding themselves.
LOL, the Red Sox don’t even get the Dodgers’ highest rated prospect back in the deal.
Of course, there is risk with taking on Crawford, but if someone told me we could get AGon AND Crawford in a deal and not give up Zach Lee and any significant player on the major league roster, I would have called you crazy!
I don’t believe De La Rosa was ranked as a prospect this year since he made his debut last season (same with Gordon). If he had, he probably would have ranked higher than Lee.
Maybe, but at the beginning of the year if you told me I could flip De La Rosa and Webster (plus middling pieces) to get AGon, Crawford and Beckett I would have done back flips.
AGon’s remaining 6yrs and $127 mill left on his contract is very reasonable when you contrast it to Pujols’, Votto’s and Fielder’s deals.
Beckett could definitely bounce back with a fresh start and playing in the NL West and in Dodger Stadium.
Crawford is the real risk, but, if he can bounce back, he could also pay big dividends.
Bottom line, the lineup lengthens out even more with AGon and Crawford.
The team now potentially has a lineup that is more potent than they have had since probably the 70’s, when they had 4 guys who hit 30 HRs.
A Kemp, AGon, HanRam heart of the order is just SICK!
Sure, it was a deal that, while painful, was worth making.
Loney is worthless.
DeJesus, Jr. is a throw-in.
Sands has a lot of potential, but with the acquisition of Gonzalez has no place to play. He’s even blocked in the OF with Kemp/Ethier/Victorino and Crawford/Puig.
Webster and De La Rosa are the tough ones to give up, but Kershaw, Billingsley and Beckett are all signed long-term and Capuano, Harang and Lilly are all under contract through next year. So starting pitching doesn’t appear to be a concern, either.
Bullpen and 2B are the only real weaknesses now.
In the long run, given the indications on how much the Dodgers are willing to invest in the farm, prospects like De La Rosa and Webster are fully replaceable.
Prospects meant a lot to McCourt because he didn’t want to pay a lot of big salaries and prospects are cheap to play.
Dodgers just signed one of the best international FA players in LHP Urias. And drafted some quality arms like the Cuban LHP Garcia in this past draft.
My point is the Dodgers going forward should have no problem replacing prospects with other good prospects, given their commitment to building up the farm system.
“Bullpen and 2B are the only real weaknesses now.”
Boston has plenty of BP pieces also.. Mortenson, Miller, Breslow, Padilla. Tazawa They just got Andrew Bailey back from the DL,
LA wants to pick up the tab for Lackey and the Sox would probably send ’em a couple of relievers also 🙂
I can’t stress Enough how much I like this deal for the Dodgers.
Any Red Sox fans on this site who have read my posts will know that I amnot being a biased Yankees fan. I look at all things and all trades fairly.
I just believe that having Agon replace Loney, Beckett replace Blanton, and Crawford join Kemp and Ethier next year is just a great move.
Webster and De La Rosa are very promising for a rebuilding Sox team. I don’t think fans realize this also means Big Papi is likely a goner as well.the Dodgers with Hanley and Agon at the corners have improved their team so so much.
I agree, I think that it is a deal that could work out very well for both teams. AGON is a beast, and I think that beckett could revive himself outside of boston. Agon’s deal is pretty good for them too. It’s about what other top 1B are getting, but it avoids them from having to pay him till he is 40 like the others. 15M for Beckett also isn’t that bad if he returns to form. In reality it only sheds one bad contract in CC, who is overpaid definetely, but is not useless like *cough*Lackey*cough*.
For the redsox it is a great deal because they could get to shed many contracts at once.
I would normally agree with you on Beckett if it were a problem based on fly ball rates or BAA due to Fenway, but it’s not. His sinker for whatever reason is not the same pitch. It’s flattened. And, he’s not been sharp, missing the strikes one and getting in a lot of 3 ball counts. Those aren’t things that improve with park factor.
It could be a mental thing for him, he may be distracted by the media and needs to go to a (slightly) smaller market.
What I was trying to get at, although LA isn’t really a smaller market. I think he is just kind of giving up in Boston, he isn’t that old, and I think they should be able to get another 2.5 years out of him. Look at AJ did this year. Alot of his problem was that everyone was tearing him apart.
This most likely means Papi comes back. They need a heavy hitter still and have no reason to blame a tight budget if this trade goes down.
The most shocking part of this to me is that they’re having a fire sale and not including Lackey!!! Seems like they got rid of all the supposed “malcontents” who objected to Bobby V – first Shoppach and McClure, now these 4 – all for Bobby V??? Is he really worth it? It doesn’t appear to me that Valentine is close to being fired – rather, the opposite – he’s their new leader. UGHHHH. Now I know what my friend the Orioles fan has gone through the last 10 years.
Have to have a taker if you’re going to dump a contract and I’d imagine not too many teams were interested in taking on Lackey’s deal with his health issues and recent performance.
Realistically, while Gonzalez is one of the best hitters in baseball, it’s probably not impossible to find someone to stand at 1B and hit .250 with 25 HR. Good, bad, or indifferent, it looked like Gonzalez had trouble keeping things “in house” regardless of the fact that “he let his friend use his phone”. If you can move a guy, elite bat or not, at the easiest position in baseball to find production at and package him with two huge non-performing contracts [one which is also at an easily replaced offensive position] you have to do it.
Bobby Valentine, as maligned as he is, wanted Middlebrooks over Youkilis [he was right], he wanted Daniel Bard nowhere near the rotation [he was right], and wanted to get Shoppach and his negative influence out of the clubhouse to make way for Lavarnway [again, he was right].
Ben Cherrington just made a name for himself.
Ironically, Benedict Arnold, Steve Bartman and General Custer all made names for themselves too, so it’s not always a good thing.
no press is bad press. Unless its about the Red Sox even the national writers miss the boat when they write about Boston. Buster Onley said yesterday Bostons priority now is a Close. What? so now we need a Ryan Madson type (9mil and hurt one yr deal) We have Bailey, Carpenter, Melancon, Aceves, Bard (he will be back in the bullpen) I think they can combine for about 30 saves and the combined salary is nothing compared to the top closer contracts out there. As Peter Gammons and others have always pointed out, its all about starting pitching! ’04 might be the best example of that Pedro, Schilling, Lowe 3 of the best in all of baseball at the time.
Lester, Iglesies, Barnes, and Cash for Felix Hernandez and Kyle Seager
You would get hung up on really quick.
Idk unless Felix is content to never make the playoffs in his career. He will get fed up with Seattle at some point. Imagine if Seattle never traded C. Lee and signed a few Cody Ross, Nick Swisher, Ryan Ludwick types they might be the Division champs……
I dont know what you are talking about, most teams go through highs and lows and the Mariners are the right track. They are actually close to making the playoffs this year. Felix has time, he is 25…
Trading A-Gon is stupid..trading A-gon for nothing is even worse.
De La Rosa, Webster and Sands are FAR from nothing. That is a great haul. De La Rosa was the Dodgers top prospect, he wasn’t ranked this year because he debuted last season.
Before the 2011 season, Baseball America ranked Rubby de la Rosa third in the Dodger organization while John Sickels ranked de la Rosa fifth.
This really has all the moves of management sending a message to the clubhouse.
i dont get why the dodgers would want carl crawford, hes injured and the dodgers have enough outfielders as is.
For next season. Victorino is a rental, and Rivera is a stopgap.
Money talks.
Not only do they want to be the Phillies of the west they want to be the Redsox of the NL and the West!
Question: How do teams block trades?
So the only way the Giants could block a trade (if the trade is finalized) is if the Dodgers had a better record, the Giants could have claimed GonZo, preventing the Dodgers from having the chance to work out a trade? Am I correct?
Minus a few minor details… yes.
Thanks
Yes, though presumably they would not know for sure the dogers would claim him and the Giants may not have been prepared to take on his salary
Waiting for Giant Fans to claim Dodgers threw last 3 games.
Reviewing medical records? Is anyone reviewing the medical records of the execs in LA?
I guess the Dodgers have decided that, with this move, they really don’t need prospects anymore. It would seem the only position that isn’t set for the next couple years (at least) would be 2B with Mark Ellis (and the Dodgers did retain Castellanos, at least).
The question becomes whether the pitching will hold up. The bullpen has some weaknesses, but the rotation behind Kershaw, while not exceptional, is probably good enough. Beckett replaces Blanton who replaced Lilly (who may or may not return from the DL). Capuano and Harang have both been better than anticipated. And Billingsley, while mediocre at the start of the season, has been incredible as of late…
Wasn’t Billingsley amazing to start the season? I think he went into a funk after about 8 starts. Anyway, the staff going forward seems to be lacking. Kershaw is going to get outrageous money when he hits free agency and after him they do not have a ton especially considering how man pitching prospects they have traded this summer.
No, not really. Billingsley’s first 3 starts were solid, but it was all downhill from there.
Yeah, I’m worried about the prospect of extending Kershaw with all these huge contracts being added to the books.
But the starting pitchers that the Dodgers traded (De La Rosa, Webster, Martin) were those closer to being Major League ready. They still have more long-term pitching prospects in Lee, Reed, Gould… and Withrow might get it together one of these days. They’ll be hurting starting pitchers to call up from the minors for the next couple seasons, but should be fine beyond that.
in 2015/2017 big name free agents will being making 30+ million a year…just sayin…
Hold on Cherington. I’ve got a busted truck I want included on the deal. I’ve getting garbage for a trade in up here. Ask the Dodgers if their willing to give me money considerations.
The dodgers probably said, “this deal isn’t happening unless Nick Punto is included”.
If you’ve seen Juan Uribe swing a bat this season, you wouldn’t blame them.
Beckett over blanton, A. Gon over Loney? No brainer ……. spend the money!!!¡ Lakers get
Dwight Horward? L.A. KINGS?!?!?!? WELCOME TO L.A.!!!
Lol @ all the experts on here saying this deal would never happened when the sodgers claimed him
Dodgers for the grammar police
Dodgers get back Martin. Would be nice.
magic stuck it to boston one more time
Magic should stick it deeper by taking Lackey
Love it an ownership that is willing to spend to win. O Maleys boy wouldnt do it.. Rupert wouldnt do it and nether did McCheap… But now there is Magic in the air and Kasten, Guber and comapnies $$$…… Had high hopes for Ruby prior to his injury though real good prospect for Bo Sox’s.
How sid the sox do it? Ricululous.
can the marlins get better ownership too?
Okay now your just dreaming
Wow. That’s a lot more money than I was expecting them to absorb.
How much did you expect them to absorb?
About $50M less.
Wow that is a ton of money absorbed by the Dodgers!
Talk about sending a message. Surely, there has been no post-non-waiver deadline deal that has been this big, but I also see it as a message being sent by Red Sox management that the mutiny is stopping right now. The first move was likely the sending of Kelly Shoppach to the Mets, and this is the proverbial other shoe.
What I also get from this: Bobby V will be sticking around—shape up or ship out. The real surprise is how much the Red Sox are not eating in salary.
I almost wouldn’t trade Gonzalez for that whole package…. but to give up that much salary, maybe the Sox win in the long run. Maybe the Sox see this year as the compass for Gonzalez instead of the last 5-6.
Interesting thought. I was about to ask….let’s pretend that the prospects end up not being impact players. Let’s pretend that, at best, they end up being back of rotation or decent middle relievers…..do the Sox still win this deal (from their perspective, regardless of what the departing players do) just because they dumped all of that money?
I wonder though…how does that make guys like Pedroia, Lester and Ellsbury feel? I would assume that also means no Ortiz in 2013?
Sox don’t win the deal regardless. LA wins.
Both teams can win a deal. In this case, can the Sox when even if the prospects don’t turn out to be impact players?
I would be interested in hearing who claimed Justin Upton……hmmmmm…
Dumping that much salary does give them the flexibility to get better free agents in the offseason. Maybe the new Red Sox FO can do better deals than Theo did. If they use that free salary to hire good FAs and the prospects turn out to be decent relievers, I think the Red Sox come out OK.
Well, Dodgers, of course.
It’s a good thought. I would think the fan base would end up the losers, as well as the players you mentioned. The ownership group, by shedding all that salary, win regardless. With the newly acquired relief, they can easily go out and reload (as long as Valentine is dumped). Don’t sleep on Rubby though. I almost hope this thing falls through merely because of his potential.
Well, if Red Sox are playing as well as Blue Jays, Boston might as well have Toronto’s payroll.
260 of the 270M? The Red Sox don’t even bother with the vaseline?
I tell you….
Victorino (Crawford in 2013)
Ellis
Gonzalez/Kemp
Kemp/Gonzalez
Eithier
HanRam
Cruz
Ellis
Kershaw/Billingsley/Capuano/Harang/Beckett is pretty dag on good.
two negatives..haha? really? hate me more please.
Based on what the Dodgers have been dealing with most of my life through the end of the O’Malleys, Fox and then he-who-should-not-be-named, it’s incredible. The strategy does seem to be go get youngish players that were considered blue chippers 2-3 years ago, and with Hanley and Gonzalez, at least, I think it is going to work out to be a devastating lineup for other teams to go against.
Didn’t see this one coming
Regardless of the results this is a bold and “ballsy” move by the FO. Interesting to see a team as mighty as the Sox hit the restart button.
Interesting to see a Yanks Fan call the Red Sox mighty. I guess these days a Yanks fan has to watch out more for Baltimore and Tampa Bay than Boston, and no one could’ve seen that coming even five years ago.
Mighty in the sense that they have talent, money and a good farm.
You can bet your last dollar that GM Ben Cherington is not engineering this trade either. This has all the earmarkings of a deal worked out in the penthouse suite of John Henry….
doesn’t seem like a ‘restart’ so much as an ‘undo-undo-undo’
Even though it is hard to give up Gonzo…this needs to happen….we free up money to make some splashes in the offseason and rebuild the team….there are names like Josh Hamilton,Brian McCann,Napoli, Cano (club option),Swisher,Melky Cabrera,BJ Upton, Michael Bourn,….then pitchers like Grienke,Lewis,Lohse, and a lot more…then a closer like Valverde…as long as they don’t overpay for players like them and dig themselves in a hole like they did with Crawford and Gonzalez they will be sucessful…I really think there top priority is signing an ace, making a run at Josh Hamilton, and extending Jacoby Ellsbury…..then again there is always the other option which is probably gonna happen which is selling the team
just looked at the 2014 free agents there are a load of ace’s who are free agents
The Red Rox are going to rebuild mostly from within their own organization. The one exception might be a #1 starter
Lol earlier I made a post that they would sign hamilton to satisfy people and it was disliked instantly. As for the 2014 free agent class, I prefer this FA class with hamels, cain, oh wait………people sign extensions all the time.
Ahhhh….Bobby V didn’t say WHERE Beckett was going to make his next start…haha.
Yeah he did, read the actual tweet 🙂
Anyone remember that year or so when Agon finally got out of a pitchers park?
Is it not AMAZING that Agonz might be gone after 2 seasons when you remember how much they coveted him? Even though it was Theo who was drooling I don’t think anyone could’ve imagined this.
Time to rename the Dodgers’ slogan to Think Red, both for the Red Sox players received and the huge salary commitments, if the Dodgers were to absorb that much.
I think it’s safe to say that if this trade goes thru then there’s no way we re-sign Papi
I’ve seen a few people say this, and I don’t understand…. Wouldn’t this make them more inclined to sign him because of the loss of offense in the lineup?
They’ll also free up a lot of salary commitments that could let them re-sign Papi.
Not to mention Dice-ks contract is gone too! I really hope we are not stuck with James Loney at first next year..
James Loney becomes a free agent in six weeks (assuming he is traded to the Red Sox, who have no postseason hopes).
I know but if they have no other real option they might resign him….which I hope does not happen
Wouldn’t the redsox be rebuilding and not competing next season? Really think Papi would want to stink around for that when he’s close to retiring in a few years
Wow, what is this I don’t even.
I would have to think that Crawford would LOVE to get out of Boston and start fresh somewhere else. Not to say that the fans treated him bad, because I don’t think that. But clearly, his biggest fan was Epstein and with the comments ownership made about Craw being Eps pick leaked it just seemed as if he didn’t have ownership’s support so to speak.
yup. even gonzalez was on record as loving the park and the fans, but being pretty fed up with the media situation
the trip to cali should benefit all three of them. and as one of the only guys in boston who doesn’t hate josh beckett, i’m hoping they all return to form out there. the next couple of season for the dodgers could be great
If Crawford rejects the trade, will it be possible for him to be anymore hated in Boston?
I’d be surprised if he does reject the deal. If he does he’s looking at 5 years of being attacked by the press.
This is really a good move for Boston, if it goes through. L.A. is really going to regret this, about the same time next year.
No brainer for the Red Sox if they can close this.
In other news, Ned Colletti spent the rest of the 2 billion on a time machine to the year 2010, hoping to justify all of his moves to date. Including Juan Uribe.
Interesting tidbit: we have money to keep Ellsbury for sure now.
And people thought before this deal the Dodgers have few minor league prospects. My goodness! LA’s farm system is gonna have less talent than my neighbor’s piano recidal.
Dodhers gave been making alot of noise with young international players this year
“Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine says that he still expects Beckett to make his start on Saturday”
Someone is out of the loop.
I can’t believe the red sox found anyone that would take that awful Carl Crawford contract
Tony Reagens will take that contract. Not that he has a club to put him on anymore, but that’s besides the point.
This whole thing is shocking to me, looking at it from a rivals’ point of view. while I did not doubt something like this would take place, I was expecting it would occur during the off season,and not in one fell swoop, for sure. The trade helps the Dodgers in the short term and hurts the Sox in the long term, at least on the field. I knew ownership was PO’d at the players, but didn’t believe they would strike back so soon.
That being said, the thing that really shocks me is the pretty tepid reaction from the Red Sox Nation. While everyone seems resigned to the fact that it’s a done deal, there is no outrage at the fact that what they’re getting isn’t even close to helping them compete next year or after. Instead, what I’m hearing is talk about prospects, salary relief and development.
After all the giddiness and euphoria of last winter, where many Sox fans were doing cartwheels and singing the praises of Crawford & AGon, it’s absolutely astounding that only a few would see this as not the right thing to do. Some of the spin being posted here sounds more like it comes from Red Sox ownership than the passionate Sox fans.
It hurts the Sox in the long term? How so? They got a bunch of prospects and rid of two bad contracts…Agon is a great player but the prospect return wasn’t bad considering how much of the salaries the Dodgers took. Not sure how you can say that is bad long term. Its actually the other way around if anything, bad short term because the team is worse without Agon but our farm has just gotten better. Who says they dont go crazy this offseason and attempt to sign Hamilton? Not sure if Id agree with that but thats pretty much the only guy who is going to replace Agon’s numbers.
I think there is far more to the A Gon story than just bad production. He must do something wrong in the clubhouse. If he is so good why does he get traded so often weather he has a team friendly or monster contract GMs see him as a replaceable player. As for fans here in Boston, I know we don’t see a guy like Pedroia as replaceable. Down year for Dustin, maybe, but look at the tare he’s on over the last 30 days. The guy’s talent and value was marginalized by signing those big contracts to players that don’t care about baseball as much as he does.
Look at Agons numbers and then let me know how many other players can reproduce similar number as he has done for the past few years. If Boston thought his numbers were so replaceable then why did they trade for him in the first place? This is a bad year for him and he will have 100 rbis anyway. Hes been on a tear lately.
You mean hurts us in the short term. Long term we have a great farm ready to go put up cheap affordable replacements.
@Themanny24:disqus & Tko11 as well
Prospects are just that prospects. Looking over the return, these guys don’t measure up to what was given up. Even flipping them would net you what really? Salary relief and development don’t translate well where the Red Sox play. Not with Baltimore and Toronto, despite this year’s injuries, improving.
Cheap and affordable replacements is something ownership sells when they don’t compete. Surprised RS Nation would settle for that now.
I don’t think you’re understanding how perilous the cap situation for the Red Sox was going to be under the new CBA.
Crawford and Beckett were giving them literally nothing for pretty much the last two seasons so losing them won’t affect the team at all, I don’t think. Sure, they could bounce back but it’s not really worth the investment to find out. You can call a guy up from the minors to put up Crawford’s career average numbers.
If De La Rosa becomes a good number 3 and Jerry Sands hits a little bit, that’s really all that needs to happen for this to be a win on the Boston end.
@withpower:disqus
I understand that even with those players on the roster, the Sox have plenty of money coming off the books after 2013, so that point isn’t valid. Calling up a guy from the minors will most likely not give you Crawford’s career numbers otherwise he’d been on the team this year. And if that’s what your hoping for, what you very well may get are the same results. We’ll see how RS nation feels about salary relief, player development and prospects this time next year.
It has nothing to do with what I’m hoping for, I’m not a Red Sox fan.
As for 2013, the team was at $106. So, they had $72MM to resign Ortiz, get a RF solution [is Cody Ross coming back for $3MM? probably not], probably add a pitcher or two, and come up with arbitration awards for like 11 players [which includes probably quite expensive ones like Ellsbury and Saltalamacchia].
Was this team going to do better than it did this year, next year? Probably not. So, may as well ditch the non-performing assets and get what you can. Who knows how the prospects will work out, Boston seems to have as good a record as any other team with getting a piece here or there to be an adequate starter. If they would have trusted their prospect Reddick instead of doling out $142MM to Crawford they wouldn’t be in this position in the first place.
i understand your point, but you really do have to wait to see how the money is used before drawing the conclusions you are. given that a major factor driving this deal is the money that is made available by it, the trade won’t be ‘complete’ in sense until the end of the offseason
there’s no doubt boston’s 25-man roster just got significantly worse. but that’s not going to cost them a playoff spot (they’d already lost it) and contention as early as next year is realistic, assuming the money is spent well
that’s not entirely true since ’04 compare the Sox call ups to that of the rest of the league there are plenty of sub 25yo players playing at All Star Level. The Red Sox rarely fill their roster from within and when they do the players are past their spark years. We end up with Youkliss on the decline, good but not great. We trade people like Reddick who did everything right at Fenway and would have been cheap for 4 years. The Sox need to put a young line up together with Pedroia and Ortiz being the face of the franchise. Play their hearts out under a manager like Ken Macha. Then add a veteran AS type at the trade deadline if possible. The Padilla type minor leauge deals are where you buy wins now.
Its a win for them no matter what, they have satisfied about half a million die hard Sox fans in the past 24hrs. The Ownership saved face here. We’d be more excited if Liverpool signed Kaka than if the Sox signed anyone to a 5+ 100mil+ deal this off-season.
I don’t think the ‘bodies” rumored going back to Boston come close to even getting close to what the sox farm even has. Sands and dejesus boston has people close that are just as good and neither is a prospect.. As in Boston has Lin as a 5th OF type and a guy like Nate spears in a break glass type emergency callup. Both those have options (2 each) left. Webster isn’t as good as at least 2-3 SP boston already has in the system and isn’t as close as a couple others.
Only LaRosa could get a chance this year and he’s not a real prospect, that is just Wallace and like said.. he’s not even close to ready and boston has several SP ranked better with better results so far. this is a 100% salary deal with just a few ‘bodies” going back and Webster being the only one with an even remote chance of potential Slopeboy.
I am for it, End of next season and round #1 of the Sox people should be starting to sprinkle onto the roster.. Bradley, Possibly Barnes and Workman and outside shot at britton in the rotation. Iglesias should be the SS from ST on and Lavarnway on the roster, maybe catching. mortenson and Tazawa in the pen, maybe carpenter and wilson also. They could have hernandez, the 2013 version of bill lee stuff wise in the rotation. it could be a young team and there is another full corp behind those:
Bogaerts, Cechini, Brentz.. they have the people coming, just not all arriving at once.
How were we euphoric last winter? We missed the playoffs, the GM jumped ship, the beloved manager agreed to walk away, and the team was preparing to cut salary. Most of us were simply hoping another shoe wouldn’t drop and were displaying optimism.
Assuming the deal goes down as expected, here’s a few conclusions I’ve come to:
-There’s several comments on this thread that imply the Dodgers improve greatly with Crawford… yet most of these people felt he was massively overpaid with the Sox.
-Beckett could bounce back to being a solid starter and I think Dodger fans will be in for a pleasant surprise in the postseason… but I doubt he can rebound in Boston. He just seems disconnected from the team, I don’t see the toughness in his eyes any more when he pitches.
-It sucks losing Gonzalez… but we’re losing 2 of our worst contracts. The Red Sox were planning on cutting payroll, enough that last offseason Cherington had to trade Scut just to sign Ross fairly cheap. Losing Gonzalez is a small price compared to dropping Crawford and Beckett.
-This gives Cherington his own shot at building a team. He has the flexibility to build in a new direction since the one we’re currently on clearly isn’t working.
-We’re getting a couple of good prospects back in this deal that’s almost a salary dump.
In conclusion: Losing Gonzalez sucks, in the short run the Dodgers have made a good deal, in the long run it’s the best thing for the Red Sox.
I know here locally Gonzalez’s reaction to the reporters about not attending Johnny Pesky’s funeral was very offensive. Gonzalez was also a cry baby, and I think there is a lot more to the story. Theo wanted A Gon when he was in Texas and overpaid when we traded for him/when you factor in the preemptive extension. He is very good but not elite imo. Gonzalez is not made to play at Fenway either, Manny was. About the end of your comment Sox fans doing cartwheels were mostly writers not fans, and the fans that went nuts where the rainy day weather fans. Those fans don’t know about prospects, prime years, market value, theo’s failings. If you went shopping and overpaid for the best available, but not “the best” did you get value? I say no. Lackey I forgive because another team would have given him similar money. Drew I defend his deal because the guy played great defense in RF and owns a career Fielding Pct. that would put him in the HOF if anyone cared about Fld PCT. That grand slam was worth the 60mil, I was there, and the Indians were crying in the 6th inning it was an amazing night.
Red Sox will instantly fall in love with James Loney… He is best when it comes to starting double plays. He is excellent on defense too.
It’ll be a great month.
Am I one of the few that really likes the spects after looking at their minor league detailed stats?? If Doubront panned out like he has compared to his development (and where he was ability wise just a year ago..), then De La Rosa should be a stud, and Webster is a top #100 prospect that scouts really like his stuff, and his AAA numbers at his age are very respectable.. And furthermore, why is nobody talking about this young slugger Sands in the deal!? This kids numbers are huge with 30+ HR potential in the ML very possible
If Sands hits, Boston will be golden in this deal.
@withpower:disqus
IF you had wheels you’d be a bicycle
Sands has a ton of potential. As a Dodger fan, the only reason I don’t mind trading him is because he’d be blocked by Adrian Gonzalez at 1B and Kemp, Ethier and Crawford/Puig in the OF, anyway. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see him do well in Boston.
See Kansas City Royals and all the minor league champs they have on the roster.
Minor league stats are not sure fire projections to MLB success.
Sands’s numbers are impressive till you put into context ABQ and the PCL, he merely has the 4th best OPS on the team with significant at bats behind Alex Castellonas, Scott Van Syke, and Brian Cavazos Galvez, his profile is one of a up and down guy, he has no value outside of his bat which projects as merely above average.
No brainer-trade for the Red Sox. Even if they would just dump Crawford, Beckett and Gonzalez, without any return, it would be helluva deal.
Those three players aren’t working in Boston, and their salaries are a burden on the team.
It’s tough to see such a great player like Gonzalez walk, but you gotta leave emotions out of it.
If Carl Crawford says no deal, I might just cry
Something people may not be noticing, this gives the Sox plenty of money to sign Ellsbury to a long-term contract, with plenty of money to spare. Re-signing Ortiz should be a top priority as well. As a Red Sox fan, I’ve gotta say I’m excited to see some Red Sox prospects get some major league playing time, and also to see these prospects from LA come and play. Could end up being an incredibly good trade for the Red Sox, if the prospects become stars and Beckett and Crawford remain useless. No doubt Gonzalez will do amazing in LA, glad he can go to a contender and back to his home state.
No, no, no! The Sox should not consider re-signing Ellsbury. Not even for one second. They should trade him this off-season, or at worst, hold onto him thru next season, then let him walk. He’s too big an injury risk considering the big money that he and Boras are going to be gunning for. Besides, the Sox have a replacement for Ells in CF with Jackie Bradley Jr who will probably be ready to take over the CF job in 2014.
Is AGonz worth $65M a year?
Beckett makes the Red Sox worse, Crawford can’t stay on the field. So essentially the Red Sox only lose 1 player and gain $65M a year.
Nobody’s worth $65M a year & nobody gets that much money per year?????
No way Josh Hamilton signs with Boston, too much of a soap opera, especially waken the media will want to dive into his past.
If somehow they convinced him to come to Boston he could replace AGonz. I would resign Loney even though his numbers are down just because the 1B market is terrible this offseason. Also resign Ross and Ortiz if the price is right. I would actually try and trade Ortiz in the next week but for simplicity sake lets say the Sox resign him.
CF – Ellsbury
2B – Pedroia
3B – Middlebrooks
DH – Ortiz
LF – Hamilton
RF – Ross/Kalish
1B – Loney
C – Lavarnaway/Salty
SS – Iglesias/Ciriaco
Solid lineup and $30M led over just from the trade.
Oh please no Loney next year. I’d be happy if they take him on simply to take on his remaining salary and then drop him. They can use the next month to try out Sands and Gomez as potential internal options. If they dislike either of them they could always try to get Napoli or even Peña.
No way should the Sox go after Hamilton! That’d be making the same mistake that required them to hit the reset button with this trade. Hamilton’s way, way too risky a player to sign to a big, long term deal.
As for Loney, no way. let him go. The Sox can do better even with the meager scraps that will be FA 1B-men this off-season. Loney was just a throw-in from the Dodgers to clear a spot on their roster. He won’t be around long with the Sox.
Beckett, Crawford, Gonzalez, Matsuzaka, Ortiz, Ross, Punto, Cook, Padilla, Aviles and let’s say 30% of Lackeys salary (Sox eat 70%) and the Sox clear up nearly $90M. Too bad there is no one to spend it on.
That’s my issue with it. They need to find a way to pry Hernandez from Seattle in the offseason if they get this deal done. Trade from the outfield prospect depth, and now pitching depth we have in the minors due to the trade. Possibly even add a Doubront. I know he has shown great potential but the Red Sox have not had an ace since Pedro and Schilling. It’s been a long time. Assuming they can do that, then they can work on new deals for Ellsbury (assuming he isn’t traded), Pedroia, and Lester. So even though we lose Adrian, it might be for the best.
So what? The Sox should go out and spend all that money right away? That kinda thinking got us guys like Lackey and Crawford to begin with. Getting a lot of that salary off the books is a decent long term plan for the Sox. Remember this last offseason when Cherington had to sell Scut just to get Ross for a cheapish salary, no longer an issue.
Magic Johnson does it to Boston, again….
Alfredo Aceves in exchange for nothing. It’s an even deal and strengthens the Sox immeasurably.
The ownership hit the lottery and spent their winnings on a wild spending spree..Dice….Lackey….Gonzalez….Crawford and on and on. But then reality struck home and despite all the new and shiny toys they didn’t win. Now back to some very basic stuff including the resources of their minor leagues, limiting extravagant FA’s (no Hamilton) and realizing there is no metric that can define what a Muller type brings to the table.
How is this “good for baseball”, exactly? These wealthy clubs just outspend everyone else into oblivion. Perfect example for need of a salary cap.
A salary cap would not work in Baseball the union would never approve it. Certain mid level players would earn more in Japan. Baseball players are all about money. The NBA has a cap and this season we will see ESPN and the like focus on about 5 teams all of whom will be close to or exceeding the cap.
I wonder if this offseason they will go after a first basemen… I don’t know who Youk?
ChiSox will decline his 13m option I’m pretty sure. With A-gon out of the picture. I could see Youklis returning at say 8mil per with incentives a-la D. Jeter. We resign Loney for around 5-6m through arbitration. That gives the Sox 2 decent players at 1B for about 13-15m. As a Sox fan I don’t blame Bobby V, but he is not the man for the job. Ken Macha should be our Manager, he knows how to get a young team to play above their potential. He also has many years working in the Sox farm system.
Sox get Hamilton? I can’t figure out who they want to spend this Money on. There’s no one out there really
Unless his market kind of falls apart over injury/other concerns, I don’t think they should, but whether they will or not I don’t know.