The Yankees are in wait-and-see mode for now, but could pursue starting pitching before July 31st, Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports write. With C.C. Sabathia and Andy Pettitte on the disabled list, the Yankees’ rotation now includes Freddy Garcia and David Phelps.
Zack Greinke doesn’t interest the Yankees, who are concerned about how players will adjust to playing in New York. The Yankees could pursue Cole Hamels, but they aim to lower payroll below $189MM by 2014 to avoid the luxury tax, so keeping the left-hander long term wouldn’t be easy given the team’s existing commitments. The Yankees like Matt Garza and he may be their most realistic option if they’re willing to meet the Cubs’ steep asking price.
the cubs are in a total power position in regards to dealing garza. he’s under control for 2013 as well, so they will wait to be blown away by an offer for him. if that offer doesn’t come along, he’ll easily be the ace of the 2013 staff and can be traded during next season. theo knows exactly what he’s doing.
The Cubs will hold Garza unless they get a kings ransom for him in return. As well they should. Cubs traded away nearly half their farm system to land Garza in the first place. They now have the leverage to restock that farm system with some quality young talent.
Gratned, none of those prospects are working out. Archer’s got one good start under his belt and Lee hasn’t really progressed. Chirinos looks like a backup, Guyer isn’t looking like a lot of anything, and Fuld is AAA depth.
Hendry was a fool to give away the farm for Garza. You shouldn’t expect another
GM to follow suit. Garza is not a huge difference maker and while he is good pitcher, he won’t command a kings ransom.
Keep in mind that Hendry is now with your Yanks. If I were you I would be praying that he doesn’t get into Cashman’s head. If thats the case the Cubs will get anything they want for Garza. The Cubs will get a few good, young, controllable players who are near major league ready. If nobody offers that, they will keep him and resign/trade at a later date.
Keep in mind that he’s only an ‘advisor’. There’s a better chance of him being the Cubs GM once again than of him making any real player decisions for the Yankees.
Edit:
Do you know the definition of advisor?
Yes, it means NOT GM
We will know Cashman has gone off of the deep end if he secretly grabs Minaya away from the Padres as another advisor..
Unless he is looking to have 2 guys dress up in court jester costumes whenever Hank & Hal come around?
He won’t be making the decisions, but he will evaluate and help Cashman make the decisions. That’s pretty close to making decisions. I bet you lose some sleep tonight over that tidbit of information.
That’s all true but Theo would rather trade him than have him as the ace on a poor team next year. I say Theo takes the best offer that comes along for Garza and Dempster this year.
They can still trade him next year. Right now they have Garza for 1 1/2 years, a 1st rd pick and 1 supplemental pick in 2014. Garza’s tag should be sky high. His main risk is injury. And Garza has been pretty durable…
All I’m saying is the longer Theo waits the less his value will be.
I do agree that the longer Theo waits, the more his value drops. We may have him under contract for next year, but his value is highest now because the other team automatically gets a full season out of him next year. Whereas if we keep him until next years all star break, he will be a half season rental. There is no way that we would get more for half a season than a year and a half. I say trade him now.
Plus teams don’t get the draft pick for the midseason rentals, but if he is traded this year they can get the extra 2 draft picks next year. That is at least worth 1 extra good prospect.
Theo isn’t the GM!
OK Hoyer, same point!
In reality they both probably make decisions together and are both trying to turn the team around.
“he’ll easily be the ace of the 2013 staff”
should work on being a passable #2 of the 2012 staff first, don’t you think
sweet “power position”, bros. he had one very good year before turning back into a pumpkin and you didn’t even capitalize
Power position relative to what? They suck this year and they’ll suck next year, any value he provides for the next 1 season will not result in a playoff berth for the Cubs, and there’s no scenario where .5 seasons of Garza brings a better return than 1.5 seasons of Garza (plus a draft pick I think?). Of course they’d rather trade him now. If they’d just as soon keep him, THAT would be a power position, but there’s no way that’s the case.
The yanks should pursue garza and possibly try to sign a short term contract with hamels because they will need another lefty once pettite retires most likely next year.
Any agent/team that suggests a short-term contract to Hamels will be laughed out of baseball. He may be looking at the biggest FA pitching contract in the history of baseball. If he doesn’t get that, he’ll DEFINITELY have one of the 5-10 biggest contracts.
you have to look at what Weaver just signed for. 85 million. Hamels wont get anything more then that. Weaver has been a far much better pitcher then hamels has been and weaver is a ACE. so to sign hamels for 4 or 5 years at 75 million is more realistic.
You really don’t think Hamels will get more than $85 million? I’d be surprised if he got Less than $100 million.
You’d have to look at what Sabathia just got. And that was with no other teams bidding. Hamels will get between 22.5-25 mil a year…
Everyone knows Weaver took a discount. Agents aren’t accepting that as a comparison. Matt Cain is probably the low end.
Well the short term contract situation almost happened with Prince Fielder. I’m sure if Victor Martinez was not hurt, the Tigers would not have given him the contract he got, maybe not even a contract at all.
I am not saying that will happen to Hamels (matter of fact my prediction is No), but I can’t say it’s impossible.
Prince would be in Doyer blue most likely as they had put a lucrative 7 year deal on the table about 2.5 mil less a season that the Tigers had offered.
Fish also can’t make up their mind from one month to the next if they are going to win 20 games, or lose 20. This month, Anibel Sanchez could easily be available, further “flooding” the SP market so that sky high asking price for Garza could go down some.
Teams with a hot commodity will always be asking more this early on and the price will gradually decrease.. It happens every year as the deadline gets closer, so don’t everyone panic.
By the last week of July (if no SP are moved) I can easily see Hamels, grienke, Garza and Sanchez available and none are going to bust a system.
It’s a good point. It might actually make for a quiet trade deadline, especially if no one wants to budget from a higher asking price.
A good trade is one that benefits both teams, I’m not sure the Yanks have what the Cubs want which is front line pitching. The Jays have the best pitching prospects. The Cubs might take Baneulos and Phelps.
they can take banuelos and phelps. aside from sabathia come next season they will have 3 young starters in their rotation. pineda,nova and hughes are in their early to mid 20’s. adding garza who is 28 i think and signing him for 5 years wouldnt be bad lol.
Obviously it wiill take more than Banuelos and Phelps. I really hope the Yankees do not get rid of their young hitters considering they don’t even have any young hitters in their current lineup. I’d be mad if they got rid of Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez, Dante Bitchette Jr. , etc.
I am not saying these guys will all be great players, but it’s going to hurt them in the long run.
oh id be upset also if they got rid of austin,williams, sanchez. Bichette last i saw wasnt doing to well with the bat but then again he still has time. but Williams and austin who are their two best hitters (OF prospcts) id be upset for sure. i can see those two taking over for granderson and swisher by 2015 the latest.
Chris, I would agree the Yanks won’t get rid of their young hitters. Swisher will be gone after this year.
If they don’t get rid of Any of their young hitters, then I certainly do not expect back an all star or all star caliber pitcher. It’s a tough decision for them.
Williams, Austin, Slade are probably all at minimum 1 year away. If gardner could ever get healthy….
As far as im concerned, Banuelos, Sanchez, Williams, Campos should be kept. The rest I would trade if the need arises. I would like to keep Bichette, and Austin, but if They could get a valuable piece do it.
I think the Yanks have been looking for a good #2 pitcher for over a year now, Garza could be that man. Nova and Hughes have done very well this year and have solidified their pitching. Garza could put them over the top.
I wouldn’t even want them. Banuelos hasn’t had anything really good since his time at high-A in 2010. Phelps is all right, but nothing special. I wouldn’t even answer the phone if I didn’t hear “Mason Williams.”
I don’t think the Cubs are looking for outfielders they have 3 great prospects of their own. Pitching and catching would be the positions they might want in a trade.
I wouldn’t be that mad if the Yankees got rid of Sanchez. I’d rather them keep Mason and Dante over Sanchez, simply due to some of the other deep catching prospects we have (no not saying they will be great)
Sanchez is a terrific hitter, even if he doesn’t stick at catcher he will make the team, maybe future rf. Romine really isn’t that good a hitter, although he is terrific defensively, and who knows if murphy ever makes it.
Yeah he’s certainly our best hitting Catcher but I do think he’s one of our hitting prospects that we can part ways with. Williams has the potential to be a 5 tool player. No guarantees though of course.
When there’s little pitching or catching to be gotten, you have to settle for best available. Sanchez is hitting fine, but might not stick as a catcher. Romine can’t hit. Neither Betances nor Banuelos is exactly lighting up the minors.
I’d rather get Williams than those pitchers. I’d actually rather trade Garza elsewhere, but you don’t always get what you want. Besides, it’s not like Jackson’s trying to reach the majors (he’s playing like crap). Szczur and Soler aren’t close either, and Almora has yet to sign.
The team sucks, and they just need talent in general. THey could always trade Williams elsewhere if they wanted.
A good trade is one where you completely rip the other team off.
garza is good, his asking price is outrageous. definitely not worth it especially in the yankees situation. cc will be back soon and while andy hurts, hes not out for the season. no real reason to trade for garza unless someone went down for the year. Pass
The Astros were rumored to get Zach Lee for Carlos Lee. I don’t get why people think the asking price for Garza is unrealistic.
Throw it out there – say you want the farm. You never know when someone will get desperate. The mistake would be NOT asking for the farm.
Just not confident we have the pieces to get a deal with any of the above. I could be wrong, never know what another scout or GM sees in your young talent. But from my POV, I just don’t see it…
we have the pieces for all three. the brewers are looking for a SS who can develop in their farm system since their gm has said they dont have a developing SS, the yankees have cito culver to start with an offer
the phillies are looking for OF and 3B – yanks have Bichette Jr (3B) Williams and Austin who are both OF hitting for power but williams is a 5 tool player. has speed, good defense, hits for average, power and a good arm. Austin could be another CarGo if his power develops just a tad more.
Cubs – their just looking to empty any teams farm basically so they can rebuild their own.
its just in the matter of the yankees wanting to give any of those guys up for a 2 month rental. which id be upset as im sure many yankee fans would be if they did.
Garza would be under team control for next year (don’t recall Greinke’s situation)
He’s an impending free agent.
As was said, Garza’s under team control for 2013. You’re delusional with those prospects, though.
Austin’s playing well, I’ll give you that. He could be a nice trade chip. Culver and Biechette are playing at levels worse than bad, though. NEither has an OPS of even .640, and Culver’s not even at .610. Both guys have yet to make it to even high-A, and their offense has been so bad that it’s unrosterable with an MLB club.
The Yankees have the pieces (Sanchez, Williams, Betances, Banuelos, and maybe Austin) for one ace-level pitcher. There’s no way they get 3, and trying for 2 is very unlikely, unless they totally empty the farm.
Besides, they want to get to $189 million, and they are apparently not even able to afford Swisher while doing that, let alone 2 or 3 of Garza, Hamels, and Greinke. They might not even be able to afford one.
You’re throwing out names that you think are special, but are not at all. Culver has been in the NYY organization for three years and is having difficulty hitting in
A Ball. Williams and Bichete are also in A Ball, and have yet to show anything either. You are not getting Hamels or Garza, even with money or another prospect for that package.
While both the Cubs and Phils want prospects, they want something substantial
with a shorter timeline to the ML. These guys are all 3-4yrs away and aside from names and high drafts selections, haven’t shown anything that would get you Hamels or Garza.
Honestly I can’t see the Yankees signing hamels. However garza is a lot more realistic in their signing future because of their salary cap
The Yankees MIGHT have 4 starters set in stone for quite some time – Sabathia, Pineda, Hughes (He’s the reason I said MIGHT) and Nova. Throw in someone like Banueols or Betances for a 5th man in a couple of years and they could have a solid 5 for several years.
The Yankees do not need to sign any big name FA pitcher anytime soon.
Neither Betances or Benuelos is ready for the major leagues that’s the main reason neither are on the team right now. After seeing Betances walk the ball park I’m not really too confident with that guy. Phelps and Garcia can only do so much and may end up blowing up at some point especially Phelps whose going to pitch alot more then Garcia. Garcia as a starter is close to over as that would have been the 2nd week in a row.
I know they’re not ready right now. That’s why I’m referring to 2014 when things can change. My point was that they could have 4 good starters by then. They don’t need to be heavy spenders on any free agent pitchers anytime soon.
Depends how the year plays out. If hughes and nova are solid and pineda is getting close to healthy then no need to sign someone. But if hughes hits alot more bumps, or pineda is not showing good signs they may need someone.
I agree Garza takes them through the 2014 cap season, he is signed through 2013.
Garza isn’t good enough to spend a ransom of players for. The Yankees would be best served by playing it conservative and giving themselves a reasonable shot at getting under the luxury tax threshold in 2014. Off-loading prospects diminishes the possibility that they can leverage their lower salaries to afford more expensive talent down the road.