The Giants have to have bolstered their lineup with an All-Star caliber outfielder for the second consecutive summer. They acquired right fielder Hunter Pence from the Phillies for right fielder Nate Schierholtz, minor league reliever Seth Rosin and, minor league catcher/first baseman Tommy Joseph the Phillies announced.
Pence, 29, is hitting .271/.336/.447 in 440 plate appearances for the Phillies this year. He's under team control for 2013, though his salary could exceed $14MM. He'll boost a Giants lineup that ranks 11th in the NL with four runs scored per game. GM Brian Sabean snagged one of the best bats on the trade market last summer as well with Carlos Beltran, but Pence is more than a rental.
Pence joined the Phillies one year ago in a trade with the Astros, but amidst a disappointing season GM Ruben Amaro Jr. is cleaning house. Less than an hour ago, the Dodgers acquired another member of the Phillies' outfield in Shane Victorino. Los Angeles also acquired Hanley Ramirez and Brandon League, creating pressure for their NL West rivals.
Schierholtz, 28, appears to have requested a trade after seeing his playing time diminish. T he left-handed hitter has a .257/.327/.429 batting line in 196 plate appearances this year and a .270/.319/.412 line in his six-year career. He's earning $1.3MM this year and can be retained through 2014 via the arbitration process.
Rosin, a 23-year-old right-hander, stand 6'6". He has a 4.31 ERA with 10.9 K/9 and 2.9 BB/9 in 56 1/3 innings at Class A so far this year. The 2010 fourth round pick has struck out three times as many batters as he has walked in the minor leagues.
Joseph, 21, is hitting .260/.313/.391 in 335 Double-A plate appearances this year. Baseball America wrote before the season that the 2009 second-rounder should be able to stay at catcher.
Jon Heyman first reported the trade today. Two days ago, Dennis O'Donnell of KPIX was first to report that the Giants had a deal in place for Pence involving Joseph. Todd Zolecki first reported that Rosin was in the trade. Danny Knobler confirmed Joseph's role in the trade.
🙁 I wanted the Dodgers to get him instead…
No space for him now.
good point hopefully they get a good pitcher today.. maybe cliff lee or demp?
Dempster very likely, I highly doubt Cliff Lee is traded today.
Morneau?
Nothing on Morneau…they said they were out of the running for him yesterday but things could change.
lee wont go to la demoster will
Then you make room
I’m sure they overpaid, hopefully for their sake he picks up his season. Or else it’s just like Beltran.
U know what they gave up lol?
Phillies are the top sellers right now. I just wish the Red Sox would/could do the same.
You shoulda taken Pedro out
He will have trouble hitting home runs in AT&T and will be a defensive nightmare in RF there in that park.
He will be a doubles machine in that park and has a cannon as well.
And sometimes he even hits what he’s aiming at. Pence is a mediocre to poor defender.
Nice move for the Giants, but I guess we’ll have to see what they gave up. I’d feel good about this as a counter to LA’s moves if I’m a Giants fan, at any rate. I wonder what other Phillies we’re going to see go, if any? The more the better, probably.
This is far from a counter in my opinion, their bullpen is in shambles.
Lol a couple bad games from our relievers after 2 and a half yrs of dominance lol ya man shambles
A couple? Casilla hasn’t been good for a month.
They still should trade for a reliever, but offensively this is a good counter (provided it indeed goes through)
Now we’re getting somewhere! Phillies needs to move Cliff Lee at the very least as well.
Perhaps there’s a chance Phillies will have a club that can contend in 2014 already.
Ideally, Polanco and Blanton will be gone as well.
I don’t agree with Lee, but Polanco and Blanton yes. I’ve been waiting for them to go, we’ve had a problem at 3rd base ever since Rolen left.
Next big move= Diamondbacks?
I don’t think Upton would be involved though
I don’t either but im interested to see who this big name ace that Towers is going after is
Well today will be fun
Philly Phiresale
Giant’s aren’t going anywhere! Lol
and neither is your grammar. J/k, i hate people who troll that. But seriously, I disagree. The Giants have a good team and could very well win that division IMO
Agree c/c the trolling “I’m on the internet and can speak in wild absoluteness for a reaction”
traded 2/3 of the starting OF in 30 minutes. i think RAJ still has two more deals in him prior to the deadline.
don’t trade Lee just yet. Have danny homer off of him couple more times and then he can go to any AL club of his liking.
Not done deal yet.
Better see Gary Brown heading to Philly!
As a Twins fan I wish we would have a fire sale like this. Nice to see some teams are delusional about their chances at contention.
Twins don’t need to completely rebuild. They just need a couple of starters, Diamond, De Vries and Deduno are doing fine. Walters can pitch if healthy and Hendricks has potential if he can ever figure a way to get out big league hitting. However, Morneau and Span could go if the price is right. They both have replacements in Parmelee and Revere waiting. And the Twins have good depth at OF in the minor via Benson, Arcia and Hicks. Plus they just drafter Buxton number 2 overall…who is a couple years away though. I just hope they don’t deal Willingham, Perk or Burton. Josh’s bat has been unreal, he is one HR away from tieing his career best and still 2 months left in the season. And Burton & Perk are holding down the fort of a much improved bullpen compared to last year.
Giants needed to make this move. Given how little the Dodgers gave up for Victorino, I doubt SF had to give up Brown.
No Brown in the deal from what I’ve heard
totally different story with one more year of Pence control. Phillies should have done better (or just held onto Pence) if Joseph is indeed cornerstone of deal.
You can spend millions of dollars to buy allstars…but it takes a coach to make a team. Charlie Manuel has failed at that this year with all the talent the Phillies have regardless of the injuries they’ve been terrible since Utley and Howard have been back.
I dont know if Charlie failed hes actually a decent motivator its his in game moves that worry me. But you have to take into account hes used to this team motivating itself and with all the injuries that didnt work. I do call for Sandberg next year!
If Sandberg was really that great, why hasn’t another major league team given him an opportunity? Charlie did the best job that he could do this season. Removing the 3 & 4 bats out of any lineup and losing an ace for two months, is enough for any team to fall in last place.
🙁 …
Well, what are the Phils getting in return?
My guess? Nate, Joseph, Blackburn and Hembree as a PTBNL
that’s a bit heavy… i’m going with tommy joseph and maybe PTBNL
Joseph & Sheirhotlz, that is all
Really sucks to see these guys go. Off the field, it seems like they’re both stand up guys who really loved playing in Philadelphia and wanted to stay. Really has to be done and wish both Pence, Victorino, and whomever else goes the best.
Totally disagree. Phillies got the best out of Shane, and Pence was traded while he still was a valuable trade chip.
Good move.
I didn’t say it was a bad move, I said it sucks. Nobody likes to have a firesale.
Meet the Marlins.
firesales are fun unless it’s your team. They aren’t bad assuming the return is decent. Is good way to get prospects, I would rather my team have a firesale and rebuild than be uncompeting.
victorino was anything but a stand up guy. dude was a complete self centered jerk in person
He’s the first one in the clubhouse after every loss when guys like Chase Utley hide in the clubhouse. He’s a little whiny (or comes across that way, I should say) but he always holds himself accountable and has done wonders in the community.
What did he not give you an autograph or something?
dead and utterly wrong. My brother in laws nephew was 10 when he was diagnosed with brain cancer. Shane would call him after games, visit him in the hospital, and send gifts. get a clue, bud. you have absolutely ZERO idea what you are talking about. .
Shane gave a million dollars to the Boys and Girls Club last September and a lot more before that. He is one of the top five most charitable people in the majors according to one article I read. Google his name and donation/charity/ time spent with helping kids before you comment.
He may be a clueless ballplayer, but he is a selfless person. You are way off base with your comment. He signs plenty of autographs too, under the right circumstances.
This has been a crazy deadline. All of the rumors seem to be coming true.
Wonder if nate’s gone. He could hit 15-18 homers in philly’s park.
there goes the phillies offense
what offense?
ok that is very true lol
It’s a FIRE….sale.
Whatever the Phils get back will probably be less than what they gave up for Pence last year…
Probably but that’s in the past and we just have to hope these guys will fill some of our holes we have right now. Also since the Stros are moving to the AL we won’t be haunted by Cosart and Singleton alot.
a sad truth
yes, true – but that was the price of having him here for a year. I really wanted OF Gary Brown, but it looks like Tommy Joseph is the key prospect. Which, along with Sebastian Valle in the system might mean Carlos Ruiz will not be a Phillie past 2013 – if he even makes it to end of next season.
tommy joseph is raw
Pence is washed up
Deal is complete pending physical.
what a sale. :(… btw Phils getting who?
Please say for Belt…. PLEASE SAY FOR BELT!
Phillies needs to keep on selling. For the first time in a long while, Ruben is doing something right.
Utley to Yankees?
Contract is up after next year. No need.
I have a feeling that the Phillies aren’t done yet…dont know why, but i do
Woo!! The Dodgers present their dragon-style but then the Giants quickly counteract with their tiger-style.
I could picture Sabean as a Wu Tang fan.
All the money saved in the Pence/Victorino deals will go straight to signing Howard to a bigger deal
It’s worth it just to rid my TV of those licio commercials
For an entire year plus of Pence, the return better be something valuable. Remember what you gave up to get him RAJ
Its not like 3 of the 4 guys he gave up will be Top 100 prospects this winter…oh wait, they will be.
More like 2 out of 4. Santana’s got a ways to go before he starts cracking any lists.
While they should get something of value it should not be the same or better value the Phillies gave up to get him. Pence is hitting worse than he was at this time last year and there is 1 more year gone.
I completely agree, but using Beltran as a comparison, it should be more than Tommy Joseph. At that rate I would’ve ridden Pence for another year and offered arbitration when he’s ready to walk
“Giants Acquire Hunter Pence?” Please just make this end… it’s painful enough this year. Does he go or doesn’t he?
Tommy Joseph goes to Phils in Hunter Pence deal
If Phillies are getting Tommy Joseph, they could/should be trading Carlos Ruiz at this deadline.
Which really would be the best move for the team long term. Sell high on Ruiz.
they are getting Tommy Joseph
How would you know? The deal isn’t done yet.
was i incorrect? lol naw but via twitter is how i found out
Deal isn’t complete yet.
Rumored that was the piece but deal isn’t 100% done.
Not really Chooch will only be making 5 million next year
Phils will like Tommy Joseph’s bat. He mashes!
We’d rather have Gary Brown given that we already have Tommy Joseph in our system, we just call him Sebastian Valle.
Of course you’d rather have Gary Brown…he’s one of the top prospects in baseball…but he is ours! So enjoy one of our many catching prospects
Every team has “many” catching prospects. Doesn’t mean they are any good.
Lol okay? Doesn’t mean Joseph isn’t good lol
Did I say he wasn’t? Jon implied that the Giants were loaded with a Joseph-type catching prospects when they simply are not.
Joseph has a lot of raw power and can be used at 1B. My guess is Phillies now are in a position where Joseph and Valle can split time at 1B and C. As a Giants fan a little reluctant to see him go but he was expendable because the Giants had a wealth of catchers in their minor league system.
And what will they do with 4 more years of Ryan Howard? Eat more $ and send him to the AL??
Don’t tell me Heyman was wrong?
I didn’t think that was possible?
He was just fast reporting. Nothing complete yet. Very close.
Phillies get C Tommy Joseph — future for Carlos Ruiz? Most likely being spent on another team in the offseason.
Oh you’re killing me with the changing of the headlines today. Just a moment ago, he was gone…
Ron burgundy wrote this report…. “giants acquire hunter pence?”
That’s exactly what went through my head reading it…
This reminds me of the 2000 election.
A Hunter on a team with a Panda, Giraffe, White Shark, Pirhana! O.O
That doesn’t sound good. Where’s Smokey to prevent the poaching?
Timmy Lincecum?
Interesting… Freaks usually hunt, not protect.
At least the Panda knows Kung-Fu. He can take care of himself.
I’m Ron Burgundy?
No Gary Brown? I hope the rumors aren’t true
their top prospect for Pence? I doubt it.
For more than a year of Pence? They can still offer him arbitration after next year and get compensation if he walks. And Brown is a very good prospect but not untouchable
they did it for Beltran…
Different story different time. Giants were trying to repeat and if the ownership stood pat it would be bad PR . He didn’t move as quickly as J. Sanchez, Cain, Lincecum, and Bumgarner did through their minor league system. I would trust the Giants brass when it comes to SP prospects.
Now getting rid of Sanchez for Cabrera.. Pure genius! I think now is the time to let Timmy go 🙁 and look to the future and win now!
Pence is not as good as Beltran and this is coming from a Phillies fan. I was very disappointed with Pence I was excepting him to carry the load offensively and he could not this year. Plus good luck with that spacious right field
Tommy Joseph is the word
Wow, Giants didn’t have to give up Brown? Good deal. Joseph looks like a nice minor league player, but he’s not going to breakthrough this lineup anytime soon with Buster and Sanchez ahead of him.
So….. is this thing happening or not? Im confused.
does this mean Dennis O’Donnell is a legit source of rumors again?
I have a feeling Phillies fans will be upset if the return for Pence is just Tommy Joseph considering they gave up Singleton and two others but they traded Pence at a time when he had good value and Joseph has nice power potential from behind the dish. Giants fans are going to love Pence. Great ballplayer. The Phillies system needed this replenishing. I don’t think they are done dealing yet. Phillie fans should be happy today because although they are selling, this team had a WS Victory, a nice 5 year run, and still have 3 aces to keep them in the discussion for next year.
Joseph and Valle have good HR numbers in a very tough hitters league. Both of those young hitters should rip apart CBP when they get up there. Since two of them are catchers I suspect one of them will be groomed for 1st base or even both.
They’re both at AA and Howard is signed thru 2016. I’d trade Joseph now to a team that needs a future catcher, which is the case for most teams, for an MLB ready outfielder.
The Mets would gladly take him seeing we need a catcher….
Yes the ones who do not understand how baseball economics work now. Meaning he has one less year of control and will be making 15 million next year and he def is not worth that.
So what do the Phils do with two starting catchers ranked #7 and #10 (according to MLB’s Jonathan Mayo) at the same stage of development in AA ball? I wouldn’t imagine either would be getting sent down a level…another trade piece, maybe?
I’d say Chase Headley, but Padres already have Grandal plus the foolish contract they gave Hundley.
Can’t hurt to collect good pieces, though I imagine RAJ asked for Gary Brown all the way up til today and was rebuffed.
Maybe looking at Joseph as more of a 1B
I’m hearing that Nate Schierholtz is going back to the Phillies in this package.
Is tommy joseph the ONLY player the phils are getting back??
Amaro you did good with Victorino, now Pence is your most valuable player besides Lee on the trade market. You should now have some leverage on the Giants, do not take their platoon outfielders.
So much for Hunter Pence bobblehead night on August 21st.
The Giants might want to have one to promote him to fans…
in phillies uniforms? haha I dont think so
That “perhaps a pitcher” kinda scares me as a Giants fan. I hope we didn’t find a way to get Wheeler back just to trade him again.
Don’t worry it’s not Blackburn or Crick 😀
Sigh for philly.
These details have me liking the deal less and less [for the Phils]. Pence requires a reasonably high return (using Beltran as a comparison) and I’m not seeing that
No it doesn’t require a Gary Brown as I speculated in earlier threads. Pence has an average OPS+, low walk rate, and is hitting in CBP where numbers should’ve inflated a bit.
Beltran on the other hand. Giants were trying to repeat, he had a long history of being a game changer, and playing in Citi Field was somewhat comparable to AT&T.
I’m not saying he’s a completely lateral trade with Brown, I’m just saying that Pence is a proven commodity currently in a bad stretch with a whole extra year left on his contract. Beltran’s return was better and he was a FA at the end of the year. Giants now get compensation when they let Pence walk, which is a HUGE bonus under the new CBA.
Bottom line, Phils just wanted to dump the salary and it’s embarrassing as a fan of the team
Well considering where the Phils are expected to pick in the draft next season I think was taken under consideration by FO. One pick from Pence will be made up by picking in the Top 10 in the draft. Also I’m sure the Phillies will be selling Cliff Lee’s services to another team by this upcoming off season.
I disagree. Very fair deal with a big possible upside. Pence wasn’t going anywhere with the Phillies, so this deal is good for all sides.
With Pence, Sandoval, Melky and Posey this is the Giants best offense in like 5 years.
If y’all would of resigned beltran you would of been even better and probably in first right now.
Good move considering we didn’t have to give up Gary Brown. Although its tough to see Tommy Joseph go, we still have Susac. Good Luck to Nate in Philly. Really hope he will do well.
Good luck Schierholtz. I’ll miss your cannon of an arm and your amazing work in AT&T’s right field. I hope you figure things out in Philly.
Well at least his arm and defense will get the national attention it deserves. Also playing CBP will increase his production.
Chalk this up as a win for the Giants … the return needed to be greater than Joseph, Rosin (who could pan out to be solid in the long run), and the worthless Nate Schierholtz
You’re severely underrating Schierholtz. He’s been robbed of a lot of home runs at AT&T where they would’ve gone out in CBP. His defense is arguably better than Pence’s and I know his arm is above Pence’s as well.
Their last two years are similar as well. Here is an excerpt from McCovey Chronicles writer Grant Brisbee a very reliable source for Giants info.
“Over the last two years, Schierholtz hit .271/.326/.429 over 510 at-bats. Pence’s career numbers: .290/.342/.481. Add in the difference in parks, and it’s closer than you’d hope.”
From a Giants FO perspective though they wanted a RH hitter and got one.
Also the people who follow this team closely are hoping we don’t get Rowand’d with Pence either.
LOL Pence is not Rowand. But on the other hand, you are right. Any batter who comes to SF… Can’t be too sure… But either way, Schierholtz wasn’t working out. Pence should definitely be better.
He’s not Rowand BUT check his stats now and Rowand’s stats at age 30 eerily similar.
Pence has much more power than Rowand and I’m going with my gut here and say I do believe Pence is a great pickup and will help the team a ton down the stretch not to mention the future.
I think Pence will be an awesome complimentary piece to the Cabrera-Posey-Sandoval combination. He won’t be pressured too much to produce at the 5-6 spot in the lineup.
Schierholz’s numbers will be much stronger in Philly. He gets robbed by the ridiculous demensions and wind at AT&T. He’s a also a great defender and has one of the best OF arms in MLB. Anyone who doubts that just hasn’t seen him yet. Giants get a much needed RH power hitter and only give up a prospect catcher (a good one) who is log-jammed behind Posey and Sanchez. Rosin could be good but it takes Single A pitchers 3 years and a Tommie John surgery to make it to the big league club anyway.
Great trade for both teams.
I feel like we’re getting less here than with the Victorino trade…how is that possible?
Rube is a pretty bad GM…that’s how.
The Victorino haul was good, but this one…not so much. Especially considering the prospects it took to get him. I really don’t get Tommy Joseph as the center piece of our return. We’ve already got Valle, so…they both can’t start at AA. Valle may even be better.
Gotta like this if you are a Giants fan and also, with hindsight, a Houston Astros fan.
Seems like a pretty weak haul for the Phils…
they need to refill their farm after being hosed by the Astros last season for… um.. Pence..
Fire RAJ… Don’t get an everyday bat, but you pick-up a catcher Tommy Joseph who will already be behind Sebastian Valle at AA and a 23-year old still in A-Ball with a 4.31 ERA. Who is going to be in the OF in 2013 for the Phillies? Dom Brown in RF, John Mayberry in CF and Laynce Nix in LF? Shoot me now…
The 15 million we just saved on Pence will buy an OF. Think things through a little.
Bourn in CF…hopefully
Isn’t BJ Upton available too as well or is that the following year?
I think he is. So is Hamilton. Any of those 3 in CF would be nice. Haha
Sure they could spend on OF bats. But how was CF Gary Brown not the centerpiece of this deal? Why was 3B Conor Glilaspie not a part of the deal? Those guys are ready to play as positions of need for the Phillies.
Hey, if you want Conor Gillaspie, then send back Tommy Joseph. That’d be awesome.
Um. The Phillies traded Pence because they can’t afford the 14-15 million for him next year because they just spent a grip on Hamels and Lee…. Think things through a little.
Um. The Phillies trade Pence because they wanted to refill their farm a little because this year wasn’t going anywhere. With possible Lee and Rollins deals in the off season, big contracts coming off the books in the next 2-3 years and a massive TV deal on top of that, the Phillies have money to spend. Think things through a little.
excellent move for the giants. Sabean definitely has his pitfalls, but he did well with this one. traded from a position of depth and managed to get a good, non-rental bat without giving up our best prospect(s).
It seems like the Giants easily got the better end of this deal… How in the world was this enough to get a deal done? LOL… The Pirates said the Phillies asking price was way too high. :/
they had to get rid of the contact…they really wanted lincoln from pittsburgh but probably didnt want to pay the contact…at least we got something back in return
Schierholtz should do quite nicely in that park if given the opportunity to play everyday.
Alright then lets get him a uny and get him in the lineup tonight.
Glorified salary dump, I thought they’d be able to get much more for Pence.
I guess the number 2 prospect in the Giants farm according to Baseball America and Nate who could break out with the Phils just like Victorino and Werth isn’t good enough for Pence, who let’s face it, has only been good not great
Yeah #2 in a farm system that is not good
Okay how about the #10 ranked catching prospect in the league before the season and climbing? Or is the whole minor league just not that good?
The trades that the Phillies are making are great, now they just need to trade Chooch (who’s had a career year and is a free agent after next year), Cliff Lee, Fat Joe and Polly for this team to really start look like something to build on.
After acquiring their catcher of the future in Tommy Joseph, trading chooch in the offseason would be ideal. i love ruiz but his value will be so high after this year they could really get some really good pieces back. Lee will be harder to trade and they would need to pitch in a lot of money but i like your logic!
Glad to see the Giants did something to counter the Dodgers trades. I still think the Giants need bullpen help, unless Bochy decides to let his starters go deeper than 6 innings. How often do the Phillies have a fire sale and play for pride. THis is the first time in a long while. The have nothing to be ashamed of. They were a dynasty for many years, and it was a great run with them on top of the east. But they will keep Utley and Howard, the Lee, Haliday & Hammels, and build around them. I cant beleive they fell so far out of the race this year with their starters but thats why the game is played and not just about stats
‘Tis a great day for trades.
What is going to be the starting OF now for philly. I heard Brown will play LF. not sure if that is true of not . if it is will pierre move to right and split with schierholtz and nix and alao play left on doms off days?