11:05pm: The Cubs are asking the Dodgers for minor league pitcher Allen Webster as the centerpiece of a Dempster trade, reports Morosi (Twitter link).
6:55pm: It's possible that the Dodgers could acquire Dempster from the Cubs without having to surrender Lee, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com (Twitter link).
5:34pm: The Dodgers are holding out on including pitching prospect Zach Lee in a potential Dempster trade, sources tell Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (Twitter link).
4:20pm: The Cubs are talking to the Dodgers about Dempster again, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports.
3:26pm: Dempster told reporters, including Doug Padilla of ESPNChicago.com, that he's taking his time to weigh his options (Twitter link). He plans to pitch for the Cubs tomorrow. "I have a pretty good idea of where I want to go," Dempster said, according to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune (on Twitter).
1:37pm: The status of the possible Braves-Cubs deal should be resolved "shortly," ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports (on Twitter). The Cubs continue talking to the Braves and the Dodgers.
12:43pm: Dempster doesn’t want to be traded to the Braves right now, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. Instead, the right-hander hopes to be dealt to the Dodgers. While the Dodgers had interest in Dempster and were considered by some to be the favorites to acquire him, they didn’t reach an agreement with the Cubs. Chicago would lose leverage with the Dodgers if Dempster rejects a trade to the Braves, his second choice.
TUESDAY, 9:05am: Dempster has given preliminary indications that he'd accept a trade to the Braves, ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick reports (Twitter links). However, Dempster felt blindsided when news of the proposed deal leaked before the Cubs reached him.
MONDAY, 6:20pm: Jon Heyman of CBS Sports writes that Dempster to the Braves now has a 50-50 chance of happening.
3:30pm: The teams are awaiting Dempster's approval, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports (on Twitter).
2:57pm: Dempster is in the Cubs' clubhouse preparing for tonight's game in Pittsburgh, according to reporters, including Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune (on Twitter). He declined to discuss today's developments, Doug Padilla of ESPNChicago.com reports (on Twitter).
Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports suggests the clubs could have an agreement or near-agreement (Twitter links). Convincing Dempster to accept the trade may be the final obstacle.
2:38pm: The Cubs haven't received Dempster's permission to complete a trade, David Kaplan of CSNChicago reports (on Twitter). "There is no trade," Dempster tweets via his foundation. "Don't know where this info came from!" Meanwhile, Goldstein hears that the deal is not done, but acknowledges that it might simply be delayed while MLB considers the financial side of the transaction (Twitter link).
1:51pm: Randall Delgado will be in the trade if it's completed, ESPN.com's Keith Law reports (on Twitter). The sides will also find a way to balance the money.
Delgado, 22, has started 17 games for the Braves this year, posting a 4.42 ERA with 7.2 K/9 and 4.1 BB/9 in 91 2/3 innings. The right-hander entered the season as the 46th-best prospect in MLB, according to Baseball America. His average fastball checks in at 92 mph, according to FanGraphs. Delgado has a ceiling as a number three starter in the Major Leagues, Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus writes (on Twitter).
1:22pm: The Braves and Cubs have agreed to a trade that will send Ryan Dempster to Atlanta, Mark Bowman of MLB.com reports (on Twitter). The right-hander can veto any trade, but he is not likely to demand an extension in order to approve the deal, according to Jon Heyman. Randall Delgado could be going to Chicago in the deal, Bowman adds.
Dempster, 35, has an NL-best 2.11 ERA with 7.1 K/9 and 2.5 BB/9 in 98 innings for the Cubs this year. He earns $14MM in 2012 — more than $5.5MM between now and the end of the season — but the Cubs are said to be willing to absorb salary to facilitate a deal.
The Braves won't be able to obtain draft pick compensation for Dempster even if he signs elsewhere after the season. In other words, he's strictly a rental unless the sides reach an extension between now and the end of the season. The Braves believe they'd have a good shot at re-signing Dempster, David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports (on Twitter). The Cubs would have been able to obtain one compensatory selection for losing Dempster if they had kept him for the remainder of the season and made him a qualifying offer.
Braves starters have combined for a 4.34 ERA with 7.0 K/9 and 3.4 BB/9 so far this year. The team's rotation currently consists of Tim Hudson, Tommy Hanson, Mike Minor, Jair Jurrjens and newcomer Ben Sheets. Brandon Beachy and Arodys Vizcaino are out for the season with Tommy John surgery, which diminished the organization's internal options.
Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com first reported that the Braves were nearing a deal for Dempster after David O'Brien first reported the Braves were nearing a deal for a starter. Photo courtesy of US Presswire.
Hopefully he has some major 2nd half regression, Sabermetrics seem to think he will
He’s definitely due some regression, but even if he regresses all the way to his 3.28 FIP for the rest of the season he’s still one of the better pitchers in the league this year.
considering he is going to a team with more offense and better all around defense he will more than likely stay the same, plus the braves play in a slightly better pitchers park than wrigley
Good move by the Braves depending on what they give up. He will be a nice addition to the front of the rotation.
Edit: If Delgado is in the trade, I think the Cubs might have won. Delgado is a steep price to pay for a rental who won’t even bring any draft picks if he signs elsewhere.
We got ’em.
Who did the Braves give for him? As a Braves fan, I’m not too stoked..
you should please imo. the braves had to acquire a SP this season. they can win this division now and dempster is actually resignable without breaking bank. which allows us to focus elsewhere. i really want to re-sign bourn.
I admit I’m not too familiar with Delgado, but if it’s Delgado for Demp, that’s a pretty solid return for the Cubs, right?
For sure.
Very good return. You guys will love Delgado for the next 6 years, he’s got great stuff.
Thanks guys. I think this could be win-win trade for both clubs. Demp is a class act and having a great year–he could help the Braves down the stretch and into the post-season. I’ll be pulling for him to get one last shot at a ring this fall!
Me too. Officially a Braves fan for the playoffs this year. Hope they make it.
Scoutingbook calls him a wiry power pitcher with three quality pitches and developing control. He’s also only 22, and his fastball touches 95. Good enough for me!
He sits about 92, with good arm-side run. Command comes and goes, which is not atypical for a 22 year old. Change-up is maybe a tick above average and the breaking ball is below. He has things to work on, but he’s a nice piece to get back for Dempster.
Definitely. Delgado doesn’t have ace potential or anything, but he’s a solid #3 type (was said to have #2 potential) and under control for a long time. Even if it’s a straight swap I really like it for the Cubs.
Boston fans breathe a sigh of relief..
yes on the other hand.. Epstein did pretty well with his 1st sweepstakes sale. Set the bar fairly high for sale #2.
‘Doesn’t have ace potential’? Be honest with this question….how many times have you seen him pitch? He’s 22 with killer stuff still trying to figure stuff out. How can you put a ceiling on him already? Come on though seriously….how many times have you seen him pitch? Don’t lie…
Once or twice, but I’m not a scout anyway. According to people who are though he’s likely a #3, with the potential to be a #2.
uh, YEAH, its a solid return for you!
Braves got fleeced! I wish the Cubs would have had to trade Garza to get Theo!
Got fleeced? We don’t even know if Delgado is the return they got yet!
Your name suits you well. Do you have anything else to say or will you finally accept that if the deal is done, Delgado goes?
And what exactly did you say? At the time I wrote those nothing had been confirmed, so of course I would accept that he went. Doesn’t stop it from being a terrible trade.
from what I know of him at worst he is going to be a 1a starter, has the stuff and make up to be a true ace, granted anything can happen but he is a legit front of the line starter
Then you dont know much about him…
Jay, he was hitting 95 in the first in his last start…an easy 95…he looked MUCH better, more fluid in his motion after being sent down…fangraphs #3 ceiling is b.s.
After watching him pitch this past year (Braves fan here), he probably has more of a low-end #2 ceiling. If the breaking ball takes a big step forward, he could be a low-end #1. He has a very long arm action that gives lefties a long look at the fastball, but generates above average (but not ace-level) velocity. Command has plenty of room to improve, but he’s still young. It isn’t premium stuff, but it is above average, and 22 year olds holding their own in MLB don’t grow on trees.
It will be. Kid is 22, throws 94-95 all day but gets shaken in tough innings. Good stuff, though. He wasn’t ready for MLB and was thrust into the rotation. Should be solid in a year or two.
Delgado seems like a lot for a 35 year old rental. Wren must be thinking his seat is getting warm.
Gotta compete with Stras, Gio, Zimmerman, and E-Jax. Time is of the essence.
stras won’t be a factor very shortly
They might move to a 6 man rotation and limit Strasburg in that way. I think he will pitch in the playoffs.
he’s on an innings limit, he’s not making it to the playoffs.
What is the inning limit? Last time I checked, Rizzo says he is gonna be playing it by how he looks. You really think they are just gonna shut him down cold turkey if the NL East is up for grabs?
I
his limit is 160-170
and theyve stated many times that they are not letting him go over that.. why do you think they have pulled him after the 6th so often? its definetely not due to performance
and yes they will because one division title isn’t worth ruining a once in a generation type arm
Mike Rizzo has not one time put a number to the innings limit. The 160-170 limit is all speculation from the media based on what happened with Jordan Zimmermann last year.
mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/quick-hits-strasburg-ra… I don’t see a 160-170 limit
There is no validity to the statement that his limit is between 160 and 170.
Additionally, there is a difference between completely shutting him down or skipping his starts so he finishes the regular season and the postseason (if they make it) with a preferred number of IP. I never said that I think they’ll completely let him go as long as he wants, but I dont think they’ll just shut him down once he reaches 160 if they are in a pennant race and not have him pitch again.
Once in a generation? Come on.
seriously?
Yeah. He’s good, no doubt. He has potential. But he’s far from once in a generation.
Washington not having been in a playoff series for something like 80 years, is greater than Strasburg.
I do. That’s not just hoping though. Rizzo has repeated over and over that he will do things to better his team for the future even if it hurts in the now. I think it’s smart, but he should have started to limit the innings at the beginning of the year instead of later. Though Stras hasn’t pitched far in a game yet this year.
Welp we don’t know if it’s Delgado yet or not.
Should be a pretty good pick up. I’m just glad Ned doesn’t get the chance to massively overpay anymore…
Just wait, Aramis is still on his way
Demps is a class act, sad to see him go but it needed to be done. Hope you guys enjoy him in Atlanta.
Can’t wait to see what the Cubs got in return for him!
Nice move by Atlanta. A veteran starter like Dempster will help.
Not Randall Delgado c’mon Braves!!!!!! He’s not worth our price prospects, he’s old and a free agent to be.
it’s okay. they still got beachy to get healthy for the future. dempster is re-signable and affordable. they still got julio teheran (sp) as well.. i’m pretty pleased.
well ya but at least we should of got another player too
I wonder what they gave up to get Dempster. As a Braves fan, I’m not stoked about it….He is aging, and this is ONE good season he is having. I’ve always liked him as a guy and a hard player, but not the best…
He has consistently averaged 3WAR per season since being converted back to a starter. I’d say thats pretty good.
delgado is a slight over pay but not bad.. it is worth it. this braves club needs a SP and i don’t trust greinke’s being uncormfortable and demanding too much money to re-sign. dempster is actually a solid 10 game winner thru his career. this is good for both sides. the braves had to acquire a SP. this isn’t breaking them.
Good move by Cubs. Delgado much better than a comp pick. Braves must be desperate to put last year behind them.
This trade is awful if Delgado is going to the cubs.
Hopefully we see a lot more trades. This time of year is like my Christmas.
Me too… I’ve been really antsy the past week or so wondering why nothing’s been happening.
I wouldn’t worry considering you’re a Cubs fan you’ll be getting all sorts of reinforcements coming to your minor league system within the week.
*Fingers crossed!*
If Cubs could trade Garza and Lahair I’m pretty sure you’ll get enough on a return to cut your expectancy for a winning season and playoffs by a couple of years. Not to mention that the club’s draft position should be slotted in a good enough spot to nab additional prospects next year.
Good. Dodgers don’t need him.
If the Cubs got Delgado, then that is a heck of a return for Dempster.
Man, what a terrible trade by wren! delgado has a 95 fastball, good curve only needed to work on his changeup and slider and he will be a #2 cubs get him for 10 years and we only get 10 starts out of dempster.
We don’t know if Delgado is going to the Cubs, all it says is he thinks he COULD be going.
He’s going if the trade is completed, story just updated
Obviously before I wrote that post. Still, horrible trade, just horrible.
Yea looking like Delgado… this is going to be an awful trade. I wouldnt be surprised if Delgado out pitches Dempster the rest of the season.
Yeah, I think that is entirely possible. This certainly will raise the perceived immediate price of trades that will occur in the next week for half year rentals. Let’s see how much money is going to the Braves as well. There may also be other pieces to the trade that we do not know about yet. It’s definitely a lot to give up.
I agree Hamels, Greinke, Shields and Garza will cost more in prospects. I am surprised the Cubs got Delgado for Dempster, Hoyer has done a good job.
Maybe we were making too much of the new cba rules. Maybe teams will become more desperate to improve now that so many teams are in the hunt. We’ll see I guess.
That is quite likely to occur. So far this season Dempster has a 4.16 FIP and Randall has a 4.11 FIP.
When was the last time you looked? Dempster has a 3.28 FIP not 4.16.
I made a mistake, I was looking at someone else. Dempster has a career FIP of 4.22, though he has been better this year.
Wren may not understand sabermatics but it’s clear you don’t understand what you’re talking about, or at least not when it comes to reporting facts.
Dempster has a 3.28 FIP (2.11 ERA and 3.74 xFIP).
Not saying he’s worth Delgado but at least get the facts straight.
His numbers aren’t good that of Delgado
Disagree. I really liked Delgado, but Minor wasn’t going to get the deal done and Delgado hasn’t done anything to distance himself from the other horses we have coming up threw the system. Like O’Brien stated, we have a chance to re-sign Dempster in the short-term or not, but we’re also not giving up a huge package to get him, and we’re contending in the short-term.
why in the world would they want Dempster to sign an extension? Huge overpay by the Braves
Delgado is not a huge overpay.
Heaven forbid them wanting a pitcher going through his career year and wanting to pitch at a reasonable price. I doubt we’ll need to sign him with all of the pitching coming in, but why is it a bad thing to want good, consistent pitchers pitching for you? Especially when all of the young pitching is either incredibly inconsistent or going under the knife (Vizcaino, Medlen, Beachy)?
What an ignorant trade! Delgado for Dempster. wow
It said COULD be going, not is going.
The Cubs have always had such success dealing with Atlanta.
Of the young starters, Delgado may be both the most marketable right now and the easiest one to replace. Vizcaino and Teheran should be ML-ready next year, Gilmartin’s a 2013 candidate for callup, and Minor will either figure it out and remain in the rotation or be traded by the start of next season. If Beachy can come back before the ASB next year, the rotation should be fine, whether or not Dempster re-signs.
Regardless of what’s left for next season, Delgado is an overpay.
So long, Demp – you’ll always have a place in Cubs fans’ hearts. Now go get a ring!
It would be great for Tim Hudson, Old Chipper, and Demp to win together.
Looks like last season really spooked the Braves into going extra hard for a playoff spot this year.
ugh if we gave delgado I will be mad I know we have other ‘prospects’ but but randal is a good pitcher who is learning right now. had we traded him for someone like upton with controllable years and a lot younger then thatd b dif bit a 36 yr old rental?!
I’d definitely say that Delgado is a bit of an overpay, but if Dempster puts them over top in making the playoffs I’d be OK with the deal if I were a Braves fan.
if delgado goes to chicago..phillies can at least expect olt/perez for hamels..thank god
The Braves are doing this for Chipper Jones and deservedly so. It would be great to see him go out as a Champion one last night.
I hope the Braves aren’t doing this for one man….. and im fairly confident Dempster isn’t the answer to the Braves winning the World Series…
Like Mr Burns would say…Excellent
Delgado for a 36 year old rental due for some regression? I’ll still take the Nationals rotation in a heartbeat, but this should make for an even better 2-horse race down the stretch in the N.L. East
Hopefully this kicks off a trade frenzy.
You’re looking at regression the wrong way, and we also don’t know if Delgado is going in the trade, yet.
this should force the nats hands to get another starter in there, whether it be a 5th/6th starter type to share the load with stras(to keep him healthy going into the post season) or a front line starter they need to make a move now
They have that guy. His name’s John Lannan. And Rizzo’s said he’s not moving top prospects so this deal doesn’t force the Nats to do anything.
Somebody trade for Headley already so I can pick up Gyorko…
Now Hamels or Greinke for who? This is getting more and more exciting
The Rundown?
I wouldn’t be too shocked if both Hamels and Greinke are extended rather than traded.
I’m not sure about Greinke, but I really don’t think Hamels extension will take place soon. Phils look like Cardinals offering Pujols 9 years, which means they know that won’t really work.
Shields and Garza have a higher chance of getting moved
I dont think it is that bad of a trade. What it tells me is that ATL expects to re-sign him after this year. If not, than Delgado does seem like a high price to pay
thats what Im thinking although Im not too sure about resigning a 36 ur old coming off a career year of course Im the guy as if right now who wants to see ben sheets in the rotation
Seems like a bad idea to resign a 35 year old pitcher off a career year.
chicago fans should really applaud dempster, he came out and really increaed his trade value and turned himself in to an asset.
hopefully this is the trade that starts the arms race
Agreed. I’m sad to see him go – Demp was a real class act.
Surely they didnt give up Delgado for Dempster… would be a terrible trade
Giving up Delgado means that the Cubs must be covering the majority of Dempsters salary.
majority? For Delgado, they had better have eaten all of it! That got an MLB starter at 25 for a starter at 35! If they got the Braves to take on salary as well … Wren got fleeced bad!
Delgado is 22.
i know that.
The headlines should be “Braves go Dempster diving”
There you go, kids: a trade went down and the price paid reflected a good pitcher having a great season who might help push a team into the playoffs. You can now set about trying to find reasons why the next name to go won’t net anything worth having (regression! no draft picks!) but that’s just not how deadline deals work.
Players that lots of people want end up costing. It’s that simple.
Nice…it is very much a reality check for a majority of buying teams’ fans.
Isn’t it great that one crazy GM can change the market?
5.5 years of Delgado for 0.5 years of Dempster is an overpay. Dempster’s ERA is a sparkly 2.11, but his 3.74 xFIP and .245 BABIP suggest he will regress to more of a mid-level type of starter. If Delgado is not in the deal, then this trade is a lot more likable.
Prediction: Royals inquire on picking up Jurrjens.
Would the Royals be willing to claim that salary on waivers? If so, they can have him. He hasn’t looked right going way back to last year.
Delgado is a #3-#4 starter at best…ridding him from the organization will do no harm. I like this move as a fan for over 20 years. NOW…does this mean the Braves sign Greinke in the offseason when they have all this money to spend?
Delgado would be a solid return for the Cubs, he will probably be a decent 3 or more likely a 4. Needs to improve the command of the curve and improve control.
Good deal. Delgado is good but not essential to the future of the rotation. I’m ok with this and as I argued yesterday, this deal wouldn’t have happened if they cubs wanted to acquire multiple prospects. Good job Wren.
Wren just made every selling team catch an erection and the teams in the hunt send out a saints bounty. 5 years of a young cost controlled pitcher for 0.5 years of Dempster. Just imagine what its going to cost teams to get Hamels or Greinke.
as a cub fan i should say… WAHOOO!!!!!!!!!
I’m curious to see if this encourages Rizzo’s hand in getting another starter to replace Stras when he goes down or if Lannan’s performance against the Braves was good enough to give him faith in taking over.. July is going to come to a very interesting conclusion
Wonder if Garza could get Ross Detwiler or even Matt Purke…
Wow! This is so much better than a rumored trade to the Dodgers for Zach Lee. I like Delgado’s stuff a lot better — he is young, good stuff, would have been the Dodgers #1 prospect easily. This is a huge plus for the Cubs. For the Braves — they have a ton of good young pitching depth in the minors and needed another starter in the rotation for the playoffs — so dealing Delgado shouldn’t be a huge blow like it would be for a Dodgers team which is shallow in terms of Minor League talent. Hopefully Braves win it all in Chipper’s last season.
Theo strikes again!
Thought delgado would get traded for a rental. Also thought it would be more than a dempster
I thought for sure if Delgado moved it would be for Greinke… guess not.
really blows my mind
This team is so lame. Shoulda got Lester! Bring back Infante to help cause he can play anywhere!
Lester was the only pitcher with a shorter starter yesterday than JJ. He won’t help us this year and would take too much of tomorrow to bring him in.
It’s not like Lester was ever actually available anyway.
wooh what a return
The bar has been set!
Does this mean Greinke is out of the question for the Braves? Dempster has been better than average the last couple of years, and very good this year…but not enough to make this a championship caliber team.
Why would they give up even more prospects for someone they’ll only have for a few months? Doesn’t make much sense for them.
One thing is certain, that when the Braves deal a SP, he generally doesn’t turn out to be all that. Wainwright is one exception (though he did lose a year to surgery). If they win with Dempster this year, then the deal is worth it.
The other outstanding factors may also make this a better win for the Braves – $’s and potential additional players (maybe a Reed Johnson).
A lot of Cub nation is going to be rooting for the Braves to take it home this year for Demp. I know I will. Partly in hopes that he comes back here and finishes it out with us.
Could always happen with free agency. I’ve read the Braves think he can be resigned, which is why they may pay this price. Hopefully it turns out to be a win-win for all and the Braves can make a playoff run.
glad he didn’t go to the dodgers.
Looks like Garza to Dodgers for Lee and 2 other pitching prospects. Cubs loading up on young arms.
Says who?
EDIT: Never mind. I see the rumor on MLBTR now.
Wren unless you have something else in the works you’ve really let me down.
Wonder how much money the cubs eating to get Delgado from the Braves?
I hope all of it.
If the Cubs dont eat all of the salary… then I have no idea what Wren is thinking. Only thing to make this worse is they announce they gave Dempster a 3 or more year extension.
Well the bad news is DOB is claiming the Braves made the deal because they feel they have a good shot at resigning him.
Could turn out like Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz. Only Braves on short end this time.
Delgado more of mid rotation pitcher unlike Smoltz, who at time of trade was far away from majors.
Ironic trade for the Gnats since their pounding of Jair yesterday further encouraged the Braves to get Dempster.
Its about time the Cubs started the firesale, my pirates play 6 of their next 10 vs them
I don’t think you have much to worry about, fire sale or no fire sale.
Well, good luck in Chicago, Randall. I know this season hasn’t been spectacular for you, but I’m still a big fan and I know you’re going to be great.
As a Brewers fan, I like and also dislike this deal. Dislike because it removes a suitor for Greinke (and one of the pieces he probably would’ve gotten us). Like, because it would appear to set the market for the return on Greinke. If Delgado can get Dempster, it will take someone of at least the level of Delgado, plus someone else, at least, to get Greinke.
I also like this deal for the Cubs, and how can you not, getting Delgado for Dempster. I kind of like it for the Braves, since Dempster is an upgrade, but you still have a hole in that rotation, since you removed one piece in the rotation (Delgado) to trade for a starter. It’s an upgrade, but I don’t know that it’s enough of an upgrade.
Delgado’s is not that great of prospect no matter what Braves fans will tell you. He is a 3 or a 4 starter according to scouts highest he could be is maybe a 2. Who knows he could turn it up and be an Ace but highly unlikely again going by scouting reports.
Since you’re a Brewers fan you should be excited on what is to come. If Delgado gets you a Dempster than the Brewers now own leverage to attain top tier prospects. I’m sure the Brewers will come up on top when they trade Greinke.
He actually will take Jurrjens spot, not Delgado. Minor is the 5th starter unless we get another SP.
It’s funny when I have read so many comments from Braves fans saying they have to make a trade. Some even saying that they should get 2 starters. Then, it happens and they are complaining they gave up too much. If they Cubs pick up the rest or most of his salary then they weren’t going take Jurrgens and or some guy in A ball. You can’t have it both ways. I am a Braves fan and I wish they had traded Minor…I like Delgado better at this point. He seems to have more potential. Of course, not sure Minor would be enough. If the Braves could somehow sign Dempster to a 2 year deal and not overpay then I good with that. I think Dempster will do well.
I’ve never been a big fan of the retal players….it almost never works out. It just makes everyone feel better….until you don’t make the play-offs or lose in first round…then everyone starts complaining again.
That’s the thing: homerism puts on a skeptic’s hat when people propose trades on MLBTR. They always find some reason why the guy they want isn’t that desirable (even though they want him) and therefore should come at a low cost. It ignores reality.
HORRIBLE trade for the Braves. They gave away 5+ years of a really good young pitcher for a #3 starter??????
although I usually agree with you on almost everything Braves related. however, I have to disagree with you here. The main question is, do you want to win now…or do you want to win years from now? Dempster helps us now, and we are in a good position to win this year.
I would step back, take a deep breath, and wait until the actual deal is announced. We don’t know the full details of the trade yet.
wow Frank Wren, thanks for getting rid of Highly good pitcher. The 2012 Mark Teixeria deal once again, I have nothing against Dempster I respect him but giving Randall Delgado for him seem too much. We could of kept Delgado for more years than Dempster. We should of got Lester or Hamels for Delgado and other highly prospects because they are better and it feels we got what we gave away.
This just in
The Nationals seem to be making a push for Greinke..
This is a great trade for the Braves. Delgado was going to be hard pressed trying to make the rotation next season anyways.
Hanson, Hudson and Minor (for good or bad are locked in next year), Sheets I could see signing an extension in Atlanta and Dempster could easily re-sign with the Braves as well.
We also have Beachy coming back around July next year but he will be more of a factor in 2013 along with Viscaino. With Teheran an option as well we’ve got plenty of options.
We also have Jurrjens who we could use as a 5th starter and Medlen can easily go into the rotation.
I’m actually surprised teams weren’t more interested in Minor. He’s come around lately and LH pitchers that are major league ready are few and far between in trades.
I really don’t expect to see Jurrjens in a Braves uniform at the end of this week. Minor gets the 5th spot.
Unless Dempster gives a huge discount. I see no reason why the Braves would resign a 35 year old off a career year
If this truly is a Delgado for Dempster trade, major props to Epstein, Hoyer, and co.
Wonder what all the online GMs who were “positive” that Dempster wouldn’t fetch anyone from a team’s Top 5 prospects are doing right now. Well, aside from deleting their old comments so they can say “I figured it’d be someone like Delgado all along!”
Gotta say I really LIKE this statement.
Sitting around stunned, and cussing … like me!
Well… In reality, it felt like a safe assumption. I personally cannot believe this trade could happen (still don’t till it is finalized).
But yeah – I guess anything is possible.
So we got Dempster, huh?
Still say he’s too old to extend if we learned anything from the Derek Lowe signing. Hope he gets the team into the post season and beyond this year though…
I highly doubt he’ll command the same type of salary that Lowe did when we signed him. That was more out of desperation at the time. Hopefully they’ve learned something this time around.
Wow. Imagine what the Phillies could get for Hamels
This could actually hurt his value a bit. One less suitor. Remember that Greinke and Garza are on the market as well. Maybe even Shields. No draft pick compensation for team acquiring Hamels
The Braves were never a suitor. The Phillies would never trade him within the division.
Why not? If the Phillies were to deal Hamels that means that they have accepted the fact that there is no playoffs this year for them. What if the Braves were to offer the most desirable package? Hes only a rental.
While I agree with you other teams don’t know that for sure. When it comes to trading you use whatever leverage you can. And using the Braves for leverage could really benefit them. It’s not like Hamels would resign with them anyway.
The other teams aren’t morons. They know the Phillies wouldn’t do that
The Braves also would never give the prospects the Phillies want for a rental even with Hamel’s talent. Their fans are mad about trading Delgado to the Cubs imagine if he and other prospects were traded to the Phillies? That would be insane haha
So we are giving up 5 years of Delgado at a cheap price for possibly 1/3 a year of Dempster.
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@RyanDempsterFDN: THERE IS NO TRADE dont know where this info came from!”
hahaha. Maybe Dempster invoked his no trade clause.
haha Dempster “there is no trade”
Dempster just tweeted on his personal twitter account that there is no trade
Now this is getting interesting…
Hah, how many people are going to have eggs on their faces?
The player usually ends up being the last person to find out.
JJ’s implosion made a move the right thing to do. This is Chipper’s last year, he deserves every chance to go out a winner. Going from JJ to Dempster even if he regresses should be worth 2 wins at a minimum- and losing those two games this weekend hurts. Also, with the wild card a likelihood and division a possibility- you need someone for that 1 game playoff with most likely Pittsburgh. Delgado is a high price, but the Braves are desperate, with a lineup that is good enough for October, but a staff that isn’t (Dempster/Hudson/Hanson/Sheets should be good enough though, though barely)
I think it should be Dempster+ B prospect for JJ+Delgado, no money changing hands (JJ is the money in this scenario- and maybe the Cubs can figure him out)
Huh? Why would the Cubs be including a B prospect in the trade? Delgado was a B+ prospect at the beginning of the year and has slipped a bit. So the Cubs would basically be trading Dempster for JJ. That is not going to happen. Maybe something like Demspter + Reed Johnson/Jeff Baker for Delgado + JJ
How has Delgado slipped- he’s held his own as a 22yr old in the Show.
Good to see a Braves fan who has a realistic idea of where his team is at. That being said, I doubt any team is going to take jj.
David Kaplan
@thekapman
As I reported several minutes ago,
deal is not done. Per a great source Cubs have NOT received any approval
from Dempster to approve trade.
LOL, I would laugh if Dempster forced the Cubs to trade him to the Dodgers for a much lesser quality package of prospects.
On a serious note, sounds like Dempster is still thinking it over.
Maybe we get lucky and he forces the Cubs hand to trade him to the Dodgers. Then Wren could say he tried to get a starter, when the trade deadline comes and goes by.
As a Braves fan I really hope it isn’t Delgado; unless it was Greinke. Then I would be okay with that.
Dempster getting dressed…into his Cubs gear. WTF is happening.
I am curious as to why Braves fan are so mad about this. Does Delgado have potential yes but this team is not going anywhere without good pitching. You are not going to get that consistently from 2 rookies being in your rotation. Hudson and Hanson have not been consistent either. Dempster at least somewhat solidifies the rotation.
While I like Delgado sometimes sacrifices have to be made. They at least keep Minor, Teheran, and Gilmartin. This trade also may not be a rental. They have a better chance at re-signing Dempster than say Greinke or Garza since he will be cheaper.
Let’s just see what they final deal is anyways. There could be a lot more to this.
Perspective, for those of you trying to figure out what this would equate to in terms of a top prospect.
BA had Delgado at 46 preseason, right between Nick Castellanos and Anthony Rizzo.
Sickels mid season has Castellanos at 19 and Rizzo at 22.
Zach Wheeler was ranked 35th mid season before being moved to the Mets for Beltran last year.
So Ryan Dempster fetched more than Carlos Beltran did, in essence.
dempster just said that “he hasnt signed any trade” and is preparing for tonights start at the stadium, maybe we wont part with degaldo after all! hope we dont!
Really he’s only had like one good start
The First post said “Braves acquire Ryan Dempster”
The next one said “Braves Expected to Acquire ryan Dempster
Now “Braves Could Acquire Ryan Dempster”
Braves Could Acquire Ryan Dempster
Rays Could Acquire Ryan Dempster
Pirates Could Acquire Ryan Dempster
Astros Could Acquire Ryan Dempster
Rangers Could Acquire Ryan Dempster
etc.
TIme is up for you Dempster, your a good guy, decent pitcher, time to move on
While yes, it may seem like a bit of a high price to pay for a rental, it helps the team win now… and after JJ’s second horrible outing in a row (and being almost an automatic loss for over a year now), a move needs to be made. And the Braves are trading from their organizational strength (pitching).
It really doesn’t hurt the braves pitching-wise. Within the next two years, the rotation should include Hanson (assuming the braves re-sign him), Beachy, Teheran (who despite his regression this year, still has so much more upside than Delgado, who projects as a #3 starter despite being the most major-league ready of the younger guys), and Gilmartin. Then there’s still Vizcaino (who projects to better than Delgado, so long as his arm can hold up), Medlen, Minor, and Spruill in the system who can all be fighting for a spot.
Basically, there’s not going to be room for all of the starters that will be big league ready in the next 2 years, so trading one to better their chances win now makes absolute sense to me. Of course I’d rather see Delgado remain in the system over Minor, but gotta do what ya gotta do to win now, and Minor’s value isn’t what Delgado’s is.
Come on Dempster…approve this deal already, or you want to be a looser forever??
Hey! He’ll only be a loser for 2 months…
Wow, giving up Delgado for a 2 month rental of Dempster? That’s a BAD deal!
Braves fan here, and I don’t like this trade one bit. I know Delgado hasn’t been great this year, but he’s 22 years old! Even Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz were still learning at that age. Last season, they could have gotten a much better return for Delgado, Teheran, or Vizcaino, but they absolutely refused to trade even one of them. Now they’re going to trade one for a half-season of Ryan Dempster? Doesn’t make any sense at all. This move will come back to haunt the Braves.
I’m seeing a lot of stuff that say this trade never existed. From an MLB.com writer covering the Cubs: “#Cubs mgr Sveum says no deal re: Dempster to #Braves. Called it “fabrication”” Sounds like no one knows what is going on up in Chicago. Cubs manager said there was no trade.
Wren, please tell me you didn’t give up 5 years of control of a potential #2 starter for a 35 year old, half a season rental?! If so, please tell me there is more in a deal.
Several Chicago writers are now reporting that there never was a trade in place and it was a “fabrication.” “Cubs brass told Sveum there was no deal with Braves” from Carrie Muskat’s twitter account (MLB.com writer that follows the Cubs)
Cubs, you should seriously reconsider taking Jurrjens instead of Delgado, we’d owe you one.
But seriously, I hope there’s more pieces to this move than just Randall for Ryan.
If we get him I imagine our rotation will be
Hudson
Hanson
Dempster
Minor
Sheets
Which I gotta say, looks pretty nice.
It’s interesting to see the two varied responses of the managers of both the Cubs and Braves on the Dempster situation:
“I know what you guys know, basically the same thing, maybe a little bit
more — I’m not going to lie to you about that,” said Braves manager
Fredi Gonzalez on Monday. “But that’s all I know right now. We’re in a
holding pattern.”
and then……….
“I found out about it when I came off the field after early (batting
practice),” Cubs manager Dale Sveum said. “Somebody said they saw it on
the website. So I got on the website and saw it and called the higher
ups to make sure. And they were like ‘No, nothing is happening. I don’t
know where that came from.’ That’s where we are with that.”
I’m a little amused and bemused by all the Braves fans moaning about losing Delgado, the Cub fans shouting Wahoo, and the Brewers fans who seem to think this raises the bar for Greinke. Delgado is a PROSPECT, people, a maybe, a might be, a potential, a seed – and from current indications, a possible bust. Steven Strasburg he ain’t. Have you checked his stats line? Do the names Travis Wood and Chris Volstad mean nothing to you cub fans? Two more “can’t miss” prospects who are now reclamation projects (not to mention patterson, keishnick, pie, scott, veal….)?
Chris Volstad and Travis Wood were can’t-miss prospects? Don’t waste people’s time by posting.
Yeah – Could be the funniest thing I’ve read on this board.
thanks for the personal attack, way to debate. Lest I waste any more of your time, let me remind you that Wood was #4 prospect in the Reds system in 2010 (delgado #3 – huge diff) and Volstad was the 16th pick in the 2005 first round. Read the scouting reports.
cant miss, yeah like the batters cant miss the fastball down the middle.
Travis Wood’s ceiling has always been as a 4/5, at the back end of a rotation. I hardly consider that can’t-miss.
I remember bringing up it would be crazy to give up a lot for a rental with the new CBA since it doesn’t garner picks….
… This is crazy. Good lord.
“Braves Kinda Sorta Maybe Might Possibly Somewhat Be About To Theoretically Acquire Ryan Dempster”
What rolsenthal said on mlbnetwork said was legit, maybe the braves want him to sign an extension so they can justify giving up such a good talent, or maybe dempster is waiting for the Dodgers to make a harder push(wish they go after a bat) cause that’s his supposed preference.
This is the dodgers for Dempster all over again…
The Atlanta media reporting that something “definitely happened” without getting the facts straight? NO WAY!!!!
Braves are sending scouts to Philly for Greinke’s start this week regardless of this deal. If Dempster and the Cubs want to drag this out then so be it. I don’t think Milwaukee would have any problem swooping in and trading Greinke in a deal surrounded around Delgado.
Says Jon Hayman, the odds are 50-50, up from 49-51 earlier today.
As a Braves fan I have to say if the Braves are going to trade Randall Delgado for Ryan Dempster then Frank Wren should be fired. Don’t get me wrong Ryan Dempster is a good pitcher. But two thing to consider the first thing is that we are talking about a 35 years old pitcher going to the Braves as well someone who at the end of the season is going to be a free agent. And also keep in mind that Randall Delgado has not pitch bad for the Braves this season.
It’s not about winning the deal in the future for the Braves. It’s about sending Chipper out with a ring this season. Sure there’s no guarantees Dempster is the piece that gets them over the top but he gives you a chance to win every time he is out on the mound.
If that is Wren’s thought process, then he really deserves to be fired.
It’s a team sport! You do what is right for the team Now and in the future not just what is right for the departing hero. They did the same thing in Bobby’s final season, how did that work out?
Yep, Blair is bewildering. Does a good job of signing top prospects. But, then he rushes them or sells them for 50 cents on the dollar. In my opinion, he shows a lack of patience by continually stealing from the future in a constant pursuit for that last playoff spot.
The way things are looking now, demspter might stay as a cub. As a braves fan I hope this happens I rather get a youngerplayer than demspter.
Considering the mess, hard to believe anybody who has reported on this trade. If it really is Delgado for Dempster… I can only hope it doesnt happen as a Braves fan
its happening
The cubs are eating some money too. nobody has said how much though. hopefully all of it if Delgado is in the deal.
Only the Cubs could screw up like this. It’s almost as if Jim Hendry never got fired.
What would be you All-time rotation?
Randy johnson
Maddux
Pedro
Smoltz
Doc Halladay
Walter Johnson
Sandy Koufax
Bob Gibson
Christy Mathewson
Greg Maddux
Johnson last pitched in 1927, and Mathewson died in 1925, so they were pre 1940, but a great rotation none the less!
What does playing before 1940 have anything to do with it? They both faced some of the best batters the game has ever had. Cobb, Ruth, Speaker, Wagner, etc.
I don’t think pitching styles in the early 1900’s would be successful against today’s batters. but maybe i’m wrong?
Post 90s rotation?
lets say post 40’s
I am most concerned about Dempster’s reaction. He is due for some let down following the streak, and if he gets shelled in his first outing with Atlanta and the fans get down on him it could send his season into a tail spin.That is why I hope the deal falls apart. Things in baseball have a way of leveling out, and it is all too common for a player to come off a wild streak and follow it with a terrible slump.
Pitching at his established level, 2 months of Dempster does not get you last seasons untouchable pitching prospect!
Chipper Jones spent his whole career with the Braves. He turned down lucrative contracts during his career to stay with the team. He turned down a huge offer in his prime to the Yankees.
To say it’s selfish that the team wants to win now for Chipper is ridiculous. He’s one of only a handful of great players who didn’t leave for a bigger contract. He moved to LF so we could acquire Vinny Castilla in 2002. He’s even taken pay cuts so the team could afford to sign other players.
I applaud the Braves for doing whatever it takes to win now and Delgado for Dempster isn’t mortgaging the future at all. With the amount of quality arms we have we could afford to do this.
Chipper has always put the team above himself and I hope they continue to do whatever it takes to try and win him one last ring.
So he IS going to accept going to the braves, just shocked at no one telling him about it at first, cool.
Blindsided? Wow, players are such overpaid whiners nowadays. It’s really annoying. Of course teams have to negotiate with other teams to see what is possible, maybe even try to close on a deal, THEN go back to the player to talk about what transpired. You can’t approach a player for every single possible deal. The bottomline is that the controlling team cannot control what people say. If there are leaks, who can prevent that? It happens! I could see this as a problem if Cubs management announced the trade publicly before talking to Dempster but I don’t think that happened. Players are such babies nowadays!
I understand how Dempster feels. Nobody should have to hear about a trade from the press, least of all a standup veteran guy like Demp. But let’s be honest: Ultimately it doesn’t really change anything. If he ends up not accepting the trade it won’t be because he didn’t like how he found out. One way or another I hope we find out in the next couple of hours.
Bengie Molina found out he was traded via text in 2010. Ouch.
Being offended is the luxury of good players only.
ryan dempster: MLB’s dwight howard
Far from it. Dempster has a no trade clause and has earned the right to veto. Not happy about it, but I’ll accept it
he’s forcing the cubs to take a bad return from dodgers so he can go where he wants, which is what dwight is doing
Which he’s earned the right to do. He has every right to evoke his no trade protection to go to a team he wants to… that’s what it’s there for.
I don’t know if it’s a bad return or not, it’s just not the one the Cubs want.
If your a Dodger fan this is the greatest thing to happen since Kirk Gibson’s walk off home run in the 1988 WS vs the Amazing A’s.
I’m thinking maybe clinching in Game 5 of that series trumps Ryan Dempster saying he prefers LA over ATL.
Just by a tad, just by a tad…
Lowered expectations.
he has the right, but that doesn’t free him from criticism for invoking it. especially when he said that he would accept a trade to a contender that would help the cubs. the cubs weren’t going to get much from the dodgers when they had leverage, and now they have absolutely no leverage
EDIT: of course, this is all based on the idea that this is true. it could be a load of horse crap
Exactly, so he’s just as dramatic and whiny as Howard.
i wouldn’t say that. howard’s been doing this since last year and demp actually knows where he wants to go and what he wants to do. howard’s whiny and clueless
When you say you’ll go to the Dodgers & Braves, and then the Cubs can’t get a deal done w/ the Dodgers so they move onto the Braves, then you say you don’t want to go to the Braves, and you’d prefer the Dodgers, you’re being dramatic.
Yes, Howard is doing it on a longer/bigger scale, but it’s still all the same. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s probably not a water buffalo.
As said, by him doing this, he’s crippled the Cubs in what they’ll get for him. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Braves pull their offer w/ in the day. Why trade for someone who doesn’t want to be there?
dwight getting van gundy fired, ripping on his teammates, and picking up his option saying he wants to be in orlando for the next season strikes me as a little more dramatic, but whatever
I said on a bigger scale, I agree on that, but it’s all the same.
exactly, we dont need to just trade with the cubs, dempster is wasting trading time. We know now we wont get a full effort out of dempster. We need to trade for a pitcher that will sign for a couple of years.
Greinke or bust.
Except that it seemed clear from the start that he was prepared to go to the Dodgers. The Braves might have made the better offer to the Cubs but that doesn’t change what the player prefers.
“he has the right, but that doesn’t free him from criticism for invoking it.”
AMEN!
It’s not like ATL is a struggling team. He listed them as his 2nd choice. He should know that CHC has already talked with LAD and it wasn’t a fit. CHC is getting what they want out of the deal, obviously, yet it’s not good enough for Dempster. He has the right to veto the deal, but at least give a good reason why you’re not giving your team (CHC) the best deal, while they’re trying to please you and get you on a contender. Makes no sense.
He doesn’t have to give any sort of reason. He earned the right to have a no trade clause and thus can use it any way he wants to. He doesn’t owe the Chicago Cubs anything.
He prefers the Dodgers to the Braves. Really the only reason he needs.
Then why didnt he make his wishing known earlier by say ” I wont go anywhere but LA” instead of wasting everyones time and effort, what a non-professional thing to do.
No, he doesn’t have to give a reason – I never stated he did. But, it’d be nice to not insult a team and fan base you obviously admire in ATL (by listing them as 2nd) just because you’re trying to will a move to LAD – a move that could result in CHC getting less in a deal. Frankly, the man’s burning bridges and if he does end up in ATL, I hope he’s not expecting a fruit basket upon arrival.
I have to take a little issue with this statement. If you take a look back when Hendry signed Dempster, he was on the scrap heap and no one wanted to touch him. If not for Hendry’s leap of faith, he might not have an MLB career, let alone 10-5 rights.
On the plus side, Dempster is still one of my all-time favorite players and personalities. I can’t wait to see him in a television booth moments after he retires from playing.
The whole issue was Dempster was on record as saying that he would agree to a trade to the Dodgers or Braves, as long as the Cubs acquired important pieces for the future. The Cubs were going to receive Delgado who would fit into the rotation very nicely in 2013. When asked, Dempster, since he is a free agent at the end of the year, stated publically that he wouldn’t mind resigning with the Cubs. Unfortunately, he just weakened the Cubs by vetoing the trade with the Braves. Lee isn’t included now, which means a couple of players will be traded to the Cubs that could have zero effect on the future. it would look good on him if the Dodgers go into the tank and miss the playoffs, but Atlanta wins the world series. For every action, there is always an equal in strength reaction and Dempster just cost the Cubs future building blocks due to his own selfishness.
if demp didn’t say that he would accept a trade to a contender that helped the team, i don’t think people would be as angry, but alas…
He should have shown his desires weeks earlier, he knew he was a trade target, No excuse for him to be a asss about all this, he could have just said “i wont accept any trade but to the dodgers” simple. He didnt need to pull this dog and pony show. Please dont give us the union mantra anymore. He should have just been a professional about this.
I’m all for mature players being professional, but you don’t know that he didn’t say what he wanted, only to have the Cubs try to squeeze more value out of the trade.
dwight howard is a better jumper than dempster not really a fair comparison
Oh well if Dempster wants to go to the Dodgers so be it then. We’re still scouting the Greinke start in Philly this week. I’m sure they’d be more than happy to take Delgado in a trade. Delgado is going to be better than whatever the Dodgers would give up for Dempster.
Yeah because the Dodgers won’t have to give up anything that good if Dempster forces their hand.
Other than Zach Lee there isn’t much that’s “good.”
Time to pull the plug and go after Greinke
If Dempster doesn’t want to be traded to the braves than lets take the offer off the table and go after someone else. I think Yovani Gallardo would be nice Edison Volquez? Wandy Rodriguez? Garza?
Padres said Volquez isn’t going to be traded.
Brewers aren’t going to trade Gallardo after they trade Grienke because they’ll look for continuity in their staff.
Rodriguez not worth the Braves prospects.
I could definitely see Garza though its just going to cost you more than a Delgado.
Damn it Dempster. WHY?
Dodger charm.
lets move on wren, time is a wasting, if he doesnt want to be in atlanta, why even go a step further, volquez will do just fine.
Join us tomorrow at the same time on this channel for the next episode of “As the Dempster Turns.”
Nicely played, sir!
Forget him Atlanta….move on…get someone else. This pisses me off.
Thank god.
It doesn’t make sense to me that the Cubs would make a trade before checking with the player to find out if he would except it. Something is strange here, I hope it’s not Dempster acting wimpy because of the way he found out about it.
Hypocrite told GM he would accept a trade to either. Front office proceeded on that. He said he wanted to help the Cubs. A 35 year old starter on a last place club? If I am the Cubs he sits and I pitch the young guys. Why trot him out every 5 days?
Because the goal isn’t to ruin young guys careers just because they’re young, nor is it to win 35 games.
Then he should not have told Theo he would go to the Braves and waste Theo’s time. I move Dempster to mop-up, sorry. He went back on his word and wasted everybody’s time and effort in talks with the Braves. If he never gave his word in the first place, I would support him. But he did.
still not totally confident this isn’t another frank wren bait ‘n’ switch. very rare that he’s actually going after the person everyone says he’s going after.
let the greinke watch begin.
This definitely handcuffs the Cubs a bit. Dempster should have handled this situation more professionally, even if the trade was leaked before getting to him first. He listed the Braves on his list of approved teams. Now he’s waffling.
you’re still dealing with a human element here. regardless of where he goes, it affects his personal life. granted, seeing as he and mccann work together in their charity functions, i’m more than a little surprised at his reaction to the trade (if it indeed exists, and if he indeed is waffling).
He’s paid millions of dollars to pitch every 5 days. Life isn’t that hard.
not sure where i said it was, buddy
I was basically referring to the “personal life” line. Nothing you directly said.
I hate when people resort to this weak sauce line. Everybody has a right to do whatever makes him/her happiest … even professional athletes.
Yeah, I suppose. But not when you say one thing and do another. That’s just bad PR. At this point, I don’t even want him. I think we should pull the offer off and move on.
He’s probably screwed the Cubs over, which he said he wanted to do what was best for them. Which he’s not.
The problem is, we don’t know the details of the conversations between Dempster and management. They clearly had some sort of miscommunication–I can’t really see a possibility that Epstein/Hoyer intentionally misrepresented what Dempster said. And it seems unlikely that Dempster completely went back on his word…
Well there are limits to what anyone can do in the name of happiness. There are certain things (I’m sure you can think of a few examples) where they would make you really, really happy, but you still don’t do them.
That’s the case here: he’s being a baby and putting his needs first and totally ignoring the needs of the organization that he works for. It’s childish, unprofessional, and yes, it’s all about his own personal “happiness” as you put it. At least have some respect for the Cubs organization.
Sure there are limits, but Dempster has not gone beyond any of the limits he has EARNED with his 10/5 rights. You can call it childish all you want … but that doesn’t make it so.
It’s not like he’s in the military or working a dangerous job. He’s getting paid incredibly well to be a professional. And right now, he’s not acting the part.
no, he’s getting paid incredibly well to throw a baseball to the right spot, lay down the occasional sacrifice bunt, and cover bases when a ball’s put in play. PR is not part of a baseball player’s job description, and it’s time we as fans stop pretending it is.
Don’t want Dempster if he doesn’t want to be here. Keep Delgado. Dempster isn’t going to be worth 4.5 wins over Delgado.
Glad Tigers bypassed the Cubs. I think Theo is having some regrets re: his discussions with the Tigers. Marlins got a lot. Cubs will not.
Based on what? There’s no way we were going to get Turner for Dempster.
I think the Braves should move on from this deal. Even though I think Dempster would have help the rotation, it takes will and determination to play for a team you want to play for. Bringing him on now that they know he doesn’t want to be part of the braves would hurt the club more then it would help them.
Roy Oswalt didn’t want to come to Philly and it worked out for a half season.
2011 though was a disaster and he was clearly pitching with one foot out the door.
move on wren, we dont have time to waste on dempster, the baseball world doesnt evolve around dempster, lets move on to a real professional.
I’m stunned. Dempster has never been anything but a class act, and now he pulls this garbage? When the Cubs were ready to trade him to his 2nd choice team in the majors, with a shot at the playoffs, for a major haul that would clearly help the team for years to come (which demp said he cared about)??
I went from hoping this guy wins a WS ring yesterday to now hoping he never sniffs the playoffs again.
And how can he be “blidsided”?? This was his second-freaking-choice team! What were the cubs supposed to do, keep him updated by the minute on how talks were progressing with a team he told them he wanted to be traded to?
Dempster is a good guy. But he mucked this up.
Agreed.
Not much professionalism.
The Cubs way-of-life has infected him.
Yep.
it was reported he said to braves players during the all star game he was interested in pitching for atlanta. sorta like the long trade involving derek lee to the cubs a while back.
I have no idea, but doesn’t this have Theo/Jed written all over it. They may just be telling Dempster to wait and see while they field a couple more last offers. See if the Dodgers throw in Zach Lee (which they won’t). This just doesn’t seem like Dempster, and I don’t think it is.
If I’m Theo and the Cubs right now I hold onto Dempster. The Cubs have the upperhand in Dempster’s immediate future. Why trade him away for probably a low prospect from the Dodgers when they can just get draft compensation picks in the offseason.
If I’m the Cubs I scratch Dempster from tomorrow’s start and put him in the bullpen. Don’t let him have a chance at winning a world series ring this year. Plus each start that he doesn’t make the remainder of the season will hurt him financially in the future that could cost him millions of dollars.
And guess how man free agent pitchers/players would never come to the Cubs again after seeing Dempster treated like that…
They would only get one compensation pick under the new CBA, and it would be a sandwich pick no higher than about #30.
This has gotten silly really quick
To hell with Dempster’s 10 and 5 rights. If the Braves were his second choice then why not go? This guy always talks about what is best for the Cubs, but today Dempster made it pretty clear who he is looking out for. For him to get on Twitter and blow up like that, was very unprofessional, and he should have realized it was a leak and went to the source. Anyone want to place bets that if he starts for the Cubs again, that his next outing he is going to get bombed by the bats, and tank his value even more?
I hope so, we dont want nor do we need dempster, let him go LA, he will end up there next year anyway, why give up a delgado for 2 half hearted months of dempster while he is packing up for LA. Move on wren, plenty of work to do in a short amount of time, dont waste anymore time.
I’m a long time braves fan and I say if he doesn’t want to come then don’t. The Braves will be fine with or without him. Keep the talent!
We don’t want you Dempster! Just go to the braves!
if I’m the braves I pull the offer anyways, I don’t want a player who has to think this long and be a diva about being traded to a contender.
and if I’m the cubs, I don’t move him at all unless the dodgers give me equal value for him, if not I’ll let him finish the year as a cub and take the pics when he leaves.
They would only get 1 sandwich round pick, not multiple picks like under the old CBA.
And the saga continues….. I want to see a garza/Demp and LaHair trade to the Dodgers and see what they can offer!
Lets move on wren, we dont have time to let the cubs play the dodgers againist the braves for one more dollar. We can get what we want from other professional ball clubs.
That’s very dishearting by Dempster saying he prefers the Dodgers over the Braves but yet he had the Braves 2nd on his list . I don’t see how he could be so damn “blindsided”. he already knew they were rumors about him being traded. It shouldn’t be that big of a surprise. Braves should just hang up the phone anyways and go after a younger pitcher that isn’t a rental.
Diva behavior.
PLEASE MR.Wren forget that dude cause he dont want to be a brave…..go after somebody else….anybody
I dont wont him cause hes JJ all over again….last year JJ was era leader now hes in witness protection cause I dont know who he is any more
Great, the Santo Clause is coming back to bite the Cubs in the arse not two days after Ron was inducted into the HoF. C’mon Demp, accept the trade and re-sign in February.
Ryan Dempster your the joke of the week, why wouldnt u want to go to Atlanta for 3 months
congrats to RD on getting to be the hammer, but you can’t always get what you want
Dempster in the clubhouse for tonight’s game. Sigh, :-((
Come on Demp, i know LA sounds like fun to Be with Lilly again. but the Braves are more of a complete team and have a better chance for a Playoff Run imo. And not to mention Delgado is a better return then what ever the dodgers can offer. What happen to the Plan Dempster? you help the cubs get a good return then resign in the off season…
im sure the cubs used the dodgers as leverage against the braves. talked wren into delgado then have the dirty laundry aired out on the net.. walk away frank walk away
Hope what I heard is not true: Dempster might not make up his mind until next week and is planning on starting tomorrow. I am NOT saying this is true but it is what i have been told.
It is his right as a 10 – 5 guy to weigh his options, but … in the same way he is putting the screws to the Cubs. One, Atlanta could now back out of trade and trade for someone else. Two, the Cubs wanted to move Demp so that he would not influence the market on Garza. Three, the Cubs have lost their leverage with the Dodgers since they are now very aware that Demp only wants to go there. Good luck!
hope braves pull the plug on this one cause we give way too much up for a fluke pitcher thats gonna fall back to earth very soon
The Braves should have some pride and pull off.
Kind of immature but I thought you were going to end with “and pull out”. HA
Well, the braves aren’t gonna wait that long!
I thought his second choice was the Braves, what’s the hold up.
so did theo and hoyer
If I am the Cubs ther is NO WAY he makes another start. An injury could be disasterous. Sorry, Demp, you sit until you decide.
I completely agree. There is no reason to risk tweaking his lat again, then he would be worth nothing more than a bag of balls.
I can’t believe they’re even entertaining the notion of marching him back out there when really, all he can do is hurt his trade value (or keep it exactly where it is)
If these writers are trying to make Dempster look like a jerk, they’re doing a good job of it.
If I am the Braves, I move on. Not only have they had their hand tipped, but they will lose a start if he plans to pitch for the Cubs tomorrow (which he now says he will do). Plus, who wants to hang at the dance with the girl looking over your shoulder at another guy in the room.
Dempster’s agent has done a terrible job managing this, as his client, who has the right to veto, is dragging this out to the disservice of the Braves and Cubs.
As a fan, a trade injects excitement to a team, not drain it.
Pass
Unfortunately as a Cubs fan I have to agree. I don’t see why the Braves would wait around for him to take his sweet time deciding.
Ryan Dempster’s five minutes of fame …
What’s all the hate towards dempster, it’s his right to veto any trade or take as much time as he wants. He has to evaluate what’s best for him and his family.
Because he said he would accept a trade to the Braves and is now backing out at the last second. Plus he’s had all month to think about himself and his family, he knew he was going to get traded.
It’s possible that Hoyer/Epstein said that Dempster would accept a trade to the Braves, because they thought he would. Maybe Dempster told them he would like to go to LA and would probably be ok with going to Atlanta (or something like that).
He’s hoping the Dodgers will go after him again. That’s probably why he’s taking so damn long to think about it. Ha. If he so called “had a good idea where he wants to go” then he would have been with ATL already. 10/5 rights and no trade clauses suck sometime. But then again it is good to have it when your fav team is trading a guy like Delgado!
I don’t know why Braves fans would be upset w/ losing Delgado. He’s replaceable.
How about this Braves fans? With Liriano’s crappy out last night, his stock probably dropped a bit. Trade a lower level piece like Spruill or Pastornicky for him. Have him start with the assumption that his dominant starts will be punctuated by crappy ones.
Have Delgado stay in the long relief spot in case Liriano bombs out. Delgado loses a little stock from playing long relief but we don’t lose him in the long term.
Or just keep Delgado and hope he pitches better for the rest of the year
David O’Brien
@ajcbraves
Looking at options while waiting. “@psr179: @ajcbraves @mlbbowman why don’t braves rescind offer instead of being held hostage by dempster?”
I’ve always liked and supported Dempster, but today, I’m disappointed in him. It seems to be that he’s enjoying being the hammer just a little bit too much. This, to the hurt of a team that been paying him well, and from what I know, treating him well for quite a few years. I’m also disappointed in the Cubs for allowing this to happen. What a mess!
He has the right to choose where he wants to go. 10-5 rights. He’s using them as he sees fit. Nothing wrong with that.
Here’s what’s wrong with it — he told the Cubs he’d accept a trade to the Braves. The Cubs put together a trade with the Braves, and then Dempster goes back on his word at the last minute–crying some melodramatic BS that he was blindsided, no less, as if the Cubs were the ones not holding up their end of the deal.
The Cubs were the ones blindsided by this whole ordeal. Not Dempster.
Yes, he does, but what’s the point of listing something as your second choice is it’s an unacceptable option?
has a baseball player ever torpedoed their reputation and goodwill as fast as dempster?
Sounds like the deal is done. Reportedly the Braves are no longer offering Delgado and if the Cubs want back in they have to restart talks. Also while this does not completely remove Delgado the terms of trade will not be the same since Atlanta seemingly knows their offer lapped any others.
source?
Capitol Avenue Club…it’s an unnamed source, but they tend to be pretty skeptical, or tell you when they think it’s informed speculation. I’d link to it, but that isn’t allowed.
yeah, i saw that now too
Mark Bowman
@mlbbowman
Teams seemed to have gained interest
once they saw Braves might be willing to go for it all this year by
dealing one of these prospects
/Dempster’s decision to wait has led a number of teams to call the #Braves today about their top pitching prospects.
I’m thinking he’s waiting for the dodgers, i hope the dodgers arent looking at him though. The dodgers need a number 2!
If I’m not mistaken, the new CBA gives players with 10 and 5 rights 24 hours to accept or reject a proposed trade. If that’s the case and I’m the Cubs, I hold Dempster to that.
I’m pretty positive the 24 hour thing isn’t the case. For one, I’ve never seen it mentioned anywhere, let alone in connection with this trade. For another, it’s already past 24 hours.
Back to the Dodgers…
We need to move on from this bum and go after someone who actually wants to be here! If he does end up in Atlanta, I say we fill the Ted and Boo him horribly for his 1st start!
yeah, pulling against your own team. a true sign of an atlanta fan. you must be a popular poster on DOB’s blog.
Not pulling against my own team. Just stating he obviously doesn’t want to be here so why continue to go after him?
then boo him if he comes back as a cub or a dodger. don’t boo him if he’s wearing a tomahawk across his chest.
Point well taken sir! I still think we should pull the offer though. No need to have a person on the team that doesn’t really want to be a part of the team. Besides, I’d rather use Delgado to get someone who would be here longer if we are gonna use him as a trade chip. I know Grienke is a free agent too but atleast he hasn’t made it known he’d prefer to be somewhere else.
for the record, I agree 100% that the moment Dempster wavered in having a chance to get out of the NL central cellar and have a shot at contention, I’d have withdrawn the trade offer immediately.
I’ve said this from yesterday, dodgers are his prefereed team and braves are a distant 2.
I’m not going to get on Dempster for saying this or that. My question is what happens if he goes out tomorrow for his start agaisnt the Pirates and just gets hammered. Doesn’t that hurt his value a little more?
“4:20pm: The Cubs are talking to the Dodgers about Dempster again, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports.”
LOL, let’s hope Heyman was experiencing some 420 when he reported this. No way do the Cubs get anything of value from the Dodgers now. It’s ATL or bust. We might as well keep him if he blocks the trade to the Braves.
you’re not getting anywhere near the same deal as was originally offered by the braves either though…
I really hope you’re wrong, but I have a baaaad feeling about this.
Well, the Dodgers aren’t going to include Lee in a deal, and since they are seemingly the only team Dempster seems interested in at this point, if a deal isn’t worked out with LA, who else are the Braves bidding against? It became quite obvious through all of this that the Braves offer was significantly better than anyone else.
From what’s out there, it seems that Delgado’s not necessarily off the table in a potential Dempster trade, but I can’t see it being straight up at this point… the Cubs will have to throw in someone else and salary relief. And it seems FW’s phone has been ringing quite a lot today with other team’s realizing the Braves are willing to include their top prospects.
All I can say to that is Uh-oh, and thanks a lot Ryan.
At this point they should probably just keep Dempster, improving the teams record and fan morale, and take the compensation pick who might end up being better then Zach Lee or Delgado anyways.
Thank you Dempster. You just helped the Braves without ever putting on the uniform, and saved Frank Wren from making a big mistake. You Mr. Dempster are not worth giving up Delgado for.
Will you be singing the same tune when the Braves just miss the playoffs? Or will you try to find comfort in some delusion that they should have gotten greinke for a package that never would have been accepted by the Brewers?
Wow if Dempster plays this well, he may get Theo to take Uribe.
I wonder if it was a cub front office person or a presumably excited braves front office person that leaked the deal with braves to the press to start the series of unfortunate events
i’m pretty sure it was a braves guy that started this
We don’t really know enough to blame either side, but a leak of this scale would be VERY much unlike what we have seen of Theo and his people. Anything is possible, but I have a feeling you may be right.
Atlanta reporter and the Braves mlb.com beat writer were way out in front of it. Seems easy to say where things came from.
That seems unlike the way the Braves usually operate.
It seems unlike both sides, is the problem.
the tweet that started all of this went sent by david o’brien who’s a beat writer for an atlanta newspaper
Ryan Dempster. A spoiled baby. Wow.
559 comments later!
So Dempster said in advance he’d accept a trade to a contender and named the Dodgers and Braves specifically as places he’d like to go. Then, a deal with the Dodgers seemed so imminent, Dempster got attached to the idea. When he found out via Twitter, thanks to a mouthy staffer, that a deal to Atlanta was in place, he felt blindsided and disappointed and now is more or less demanding an LA trade.
Is that about right?
the cubs and dodgers were never really close to a deal
I was about to say if Ned is smart he would offer less its actually nice to him not offer Lee.
p.s dodgers should be tagged in this artical if it hasnt already i couldnt see it under my feed
Too lazy to scroll through the thread so my apologies if what I’m about to say has already been proposed…but perhaps a package of Dempster/Garza to the Dodgers would satisfy the Cubs’ prospect demands.
I can only speculate on how big the package would be, but, based on reports, it would obviously start with both Lee and Gould and go from there.
The problem with this (assuming a package can be presented that satisfies Theo and Co.) is the log jam it would create in the starting rotation.
Kershaw, Bills, Capuano, Lilly (due back very soon), Harang, Garza, Dempster.
Harang is the easy choice for bullpen relegation, but that still leaves 6.
I wouldn’t trust Billingsley in the playoffs should the Dodgers make it, but it’s hard to remove a guy who just inked a 3 year/35 mil deal in the offseason. He also looked better in his start against St.Louis yesterday.
Shrug, just throwing it out there. Flame away!
LAD not including Zach Lee in the deal – and this is the ramifications of Dempster showing his hand.
The Dodgers were never going to send Lee for Dempster anyways.
When will Ned learn. We don’t need Dempster. We need some help in that lineup!
Read between the lines. The front office is telling us that we need both, even if they aren’t telling us exactly why.
I don’t know how to break this gently to Cubs fans: it sounds like Uncle Ned has you over a barrel. Dempster wants to go to LA and you are not going to get the Dodgers to bid against themselves.
Keep him, tender the contract, collect the comp pick. If that makes him undesirable to other teams and hurts his ability to get the deal he wants with the team he wants then so be it. He’s making his bed. There’s no need to trade the guy for a lesser talent than a sandwich round pick.
Except I really think the Cubs & RD have a handshake deal that he re-signs there in the offseason. That precludes a tender, declination & resulting comp pick. The Cubs have to trade him to get anything.
I don’t see why you’re led to believe that. Every move new management has made has been in an effort to get younger talent or players coming off down years that may be trade targets mid season (Maholm, Dejesus, etc). If tendered, why would Dempster after arguably the best year of his career take a one year deal from the Cubs at his age? It would be foolish to turn down his last chance at several guaranteed years. Worst case scenario, they tender him, he accepts and we do the same song and dance next July.
Dempster has won 67 games and has 87 saves over his 9 year Cub career, but man, he’s just out of line when he decides that he wants to use the trade rights he has earned to go somewhere he wants to go. How dare he?!
That depends on what you want to believe. If he led upper management to believe he would accept a deal with the Braves, then allowing them to negotiate this thing out only to tell them no at the end is bad form. Is it his right? Absolutely. But it’s not the behavior you’d expect out of a guy that has said he wants to do his best to help the Cubs’ organization. It’s more the behavior of someone who wants to do what is best for himself with the hope that it coincidently helps out the Cubs’ organization.
If Ned play his cards right, he could end up with both Dempster and Garza. For Lee and Harang?
He’s coming to LA, theres no doubt about it. Its only a matter of time before the cubs realize they are not going to get Zach Lee. Go Dodgers!
I wouldn’t take anything other than Zach Lee. I don’t think Dempster is anywhere close to stubborn enough to boycott leaving if he’s told it’s Atlanta or bust. Randall Delgado is a better prospect than anyone the Dodgers can offer as it is, with the POSSIBLE exception of Lee, and that’s only if he can figure out A-ball hitters first.
If I’m the Cubs, I call and say “Zach Lee.” If I’m told no, I hang up, go to Dempster, tell him a trade with the Dodgers isn’t happening, then leaving it on him. If he says no to Atlanta, then he’s either going to have to pick a third team (not the Dodgers or Braves) or stay in Chicago.
if the dodgers can acquire Dempster without giving up Lee i would do the deal and then use Lee to Acquire Hanley Ramirez or another bat to help our offense
Please just make the trade and get this over with. I really want Dempster but this is becoming WAY too complicated!
Mark Bowman
@mlbbowman
They will move on w/ Dempster standing as an option @chip_hendrix they got to move on. Can’t wait until Tuesday for him to make up his mind
Cubs should be able to get 2 good pitching prospects for Dempster from the Dodgers. Webster and Reed are RHPs in the top 100.
I think the Cubs can still get a nice return for Dempster. It’s a shame this has turned a tad ugly. He’s a good guy, using his 10-5 rights, trying to do the right thing for him and his family.
Ah come on. Don’t pull the family card.
That’s a pretty big card.
it’s two months… his family can stay put where they are and they can negotiate where they want to go in the offseason based on who offers him a contract
This is life not a video game. It’s not just moving family but wanting to see your children every night. Do you not realize ballplayers are humans too?
he’s a professional baseball player, and thus on the road for half of the summer regardless… so no, he’s not seeing his children every night for 6 months a year.
Also, it’s summer time, and the guy makes 14 mil this year (and is at the end of a 4 year, 53 mil contract)… he can fly his family out to see him from time to time over the next couple months, I’m sure.
plenty of people have jobs that they have to travel for, that take them away from their family for periods of time (and most of them probably don’t have the luxury to fly their family out to see them very often)… yes, this is life
Think of it this way, hes a grown man. He has earned the right to do what he thinks is right. For his family 1st, for himself personally 2nd, for himself professionally 3rd, and then for you, the fan, 4th. It doesn’t matter how much he makes, what he could potentially do; why should he do what he doesn’t want to do? It doesn’t him less of a professional. Is Carlos Lee less of a professional for wanting to play in Mia instead of LA? No, he earned the right to choose his next destination. So did Dempster. It sucks for Atl fans that it sounds like the Cubs really messed this up, but as a grown man, Demp can make his own decisions no matter what fans want.
I’m not arguing that it isn’t his right to do so, it absolutely is, and more power to him for doing so… and believe me, if you look at what most braves fans have been saying since the first rumors broke yesterday, a huge majority seems to be pretty ecstatic that this trade is not going down.
All I’m saying is that the way he went about it was very iffy… He started by making people believe that he’d accept a trade to Atlanta, and that he was trying to do what would help the Cubs organization most, and by going back on that he essentially wasted a bunch of people’s time and money working on this deal. So when he goes back on what he had been saying when the deal goes through, it’s understandable that people would be pretty miffed (especially Cubs fans, who are getting a much lesser haul than they initially expected because of all this).
And I’m sorry, but using family as an excuse, when all along all he’s talked about was wanting to go to a “contender” and have an opportunity at a ring, just seems ridiculous. Just be a man and say you believe you have a better shot at winning with the Dodgers…
I think it depends on A. What was really said between Demp and the Cubs? and B. how the Cubs have treated this situation. It sounds like he is not doing this deal because the Cubs did not keep to their word to keep him in the loop. He obviously was not if the media told him about the trade. Everyone is ripping Demp but I wouldn’t be surprised if he is just not accepting the deal now because of how the Cubs have treated it. Obviously we may never know, but based on how everyone has talked about Demp leading up to this point(professionally, not fans), I don’t think this should solely be on him.
I think their was bluffing with delgado to scare ned.
I meant I think Theo was bluffing.
Gee, Theo, if only there was another team interested in Dempster other than the Dodgers. One who he said he’d go play for, on his “list”. Oh wait, that’s right, there is. It’s Atlanta and now Dempster is hurting your return because of his selfishness.
Dempster has given so much to the city of Chicago on and off the field. He’s hardly selfish.
embarrassing and unprofessional behavior from Dempster.
FYI, Dempster doesn’t give a damn about winning a ring. If he did, he’d
accept the trade to Atlanta. They are occupying one of the WC slots,
not the Dodgers. The Dodgers are on the way down and will not make the
post-season this year. Dempster only cares about the money – let’s get
that straight.
Yeah Dodgers have no chance. Are you serious? Your not a homer
You do realize the dodgers are in the same spot as Atl and just got Kemp, Andre, and Ellis back from the Dl? Aka their 3 best position players. Imagine a 35 year old man wanting to do what’s best for his family!?!? He obviously has a reason for choosing LA over Atl, and it could very well be that he feels that Cubs FO hasn’t respected him. Imagine being in his position and hearing about your own trade from Espn before the gm? How would you feel?
You grew up on too much TBS.
lol thats funny…. not!
Dempster really stuck it to the Cubs with his actions. Shows he was never about helping team by accepting trade like he said. Total lack of class.
Why does he have a no trade clause? Sorry your bitter, but he has every right to this! Maybe you should be faulting the cubs for providing him with that (not sure of its a no-trade or 10 and 5 rights) clause. If he feels that the dodgers are a better fit family or career wise, good for him!
If I was a Cubs fan, I’d see your point completely… At the same time, if I had the talent, longevity, expressed desire to return to Cubbies in off-season and the rights to make it work because of 10/5, why is it classless? Don’t get me wrong, if Cub fans think Delgado is the end-all return, great, but RD’s statement that ATL is his second choice as a destination, didn’t mean he’d go there or anywhere for that matter at the drop of a hat. He has the CBL-given right to “assist” in his destiny. He can say NO to the ATL trade as a finality—-he hasn’t. There are 6 days to get something done; he has given concessions to the Cubs to pursue trades. He could have said “nope” from the get-go to ANY trade. It may very well play out that he eventually goes to ATL instead of LA, he’s got the right, and he’s earned it. If it was July 31 and 11:30 PM and then he’s lollygagging, then by all means pass judgement on him; right now, if he’s showing give and take by trying to help himself and Cubs at same time, with an emphasis on himself (duh he’s earned it and Cubs aren’t going to win NL Central quite yet), he deserves that say. Just because he’s making the “big bucks”, moving his family IS a big ordeal and deserves a say is all.
So will the Brewers take Delgado for Greinke?
Guessing newp.
I would give up Teheran for Greinke. That’s the guy the Braves need, not an old and overrated Ryan Dempster.
Wow its a good thing the Braves don’t have you as a GM. Two months of Greinke for Teheran? Teheran might be better than Greinke when all is said and done.
going from delgado to webster. what a disaster
Don’t do it Ned! If anything send Gould instead of Webster. But I prefer we don’t get Demp at all.
Really? “love you man” but Reward > Risk.
Braves wouldn’t surprise me at all to go after a pitcher not even rumored to be on the market. Teams know the Braves want to go for it all this year and Delgado being dangled would definitely draw interest from a lot of other teams.
James Shields would be a nice addition since he is signed fairly cheap for the next few seasons. I want Greinke but Shields would be a nice consolation. Plus then we would have plenty of cap room to re-sign Bourn or go after another OF and have Heyward move to CF.
“11:05pm: The Cubs are asking the Dodgers for minor league pitcher Allen Webster as the centerpiece of a Dempster trade, reports Morosi (Twitter link)”
If I was in a position where this was to cross my desk for sign off (Dodger fan here) I’d keep this in reserve until the last second, and sign off on it. But I ain’t, obviously, and if it goes through, it ain’t a coup for the Dodgers. Call it fair considering no draft comp, and the fact RD be gone at the end of the year. My guess is this gets done by the time we are sipping coffee on the West Coast tomorrow.
I hope your guess is right… I’m tired of there even being a possibility out there of trading Delgado for two months of Dempster anymore
After being offerred Delgado for Demp this trade would not come even close to being fair. If Dempster wants to be stubborn I want the FO to almost send a message and hold onto him and attempt to get a Supp. If Dempster really wants to stay on a non-competative team for one of his last remaining years so be it. Might make him change his tune on Atlanta.
Cubs fan here, and a fan of men staying true to their words. If he doesn’t bring in a good return, whatever that be for the front office, limit his starts and let the youngsters develop. Our goal for the next two months should be to develop players and get the top pick of 2013 draft. I’m old compared to most of you guys and have seen the players’ paychecks go from thousands to millions, but many have lost integrity. There are only a few of the old school guys left like Chipper, Ichiro, Youkilis, Hudson, Maddux (only retired 3 seasons ago), Ripken Jr (yeah I know he’s retired too), Berkman, etc. hell even put Gil Meche in the list.
nah we keep Webster take Magill and some lower level prospects deal? THEO 😉
Webster is a solid pickup for the Cubs. He may not be as exciting as Zach Lee, but he’s closer to major league ready and I think could be a solid middle of rotation starter. If its between hanging on to Dempster for the draft pick and getting Webster plus a mid-level prospect or two, the Cubs are better off taking Webster and a couple prospects.
We better get Reed and Webster if zach lee is not involved. Go through Epsteins draft picks of years past. He easily averages a top 50 prospect with his picks.
Doyers get Hanley. A slight wrinkle in all this.
Where? I want Hanley so very bad.
dempsters been a great cub – the hate for him is unwarranted – he has earned the right to have input into this trade.
He did have input into it. Then he backed out.
If Dempster really wants to come back to the Cubs after the season then he would be smart to go to Atlanta allowing the Cubs to get a MUCH BETTER return than they could ever get from the Dodgers for him…By the way did the Dodgers seriously just get Hanley for a bag of balls?
Dodgers are accepting all of the payrolls. Guys aren’t worth that much if the team doesn’t pay the salary.
Frank Wren said deal with Dempster “highly unlikely”. Braves had paramaters that expired yesterday
Is there going to be a special 60 minute episode of “the announcement”
I can’t see why he doesnt want to go to atlanta he knows the GM and manager, was his 2nd choice, and its only going to be for 3 months