Here are some links from around the league as Wednesday turns into Thursday…
- Scott Boras told reporters (including WEEI.com's Rob Bradford) that a "couple of teams" have inquired about J.D. Drew during the season. "I've got no indication from him a desire to return," said Boras of the outfielder, who has been at home. "But then again I haven't addressed the issue with him, if he's done anything formally."
- Steve Melewski of MASNSports.com reports (on Twitter) that clubs keep asking the Orioles for top prospects Dylan Bundy and Manny Machado in trade talks. Needless to say, those two are as close to untouchable as it gets.
- The Blue Jays promoted Andrew Tinnish to assistant GM, reports Bob Elliott of The Toronto Sun (on Twitter). Tinnish had been the team's amateur scouting director.
Teams can keep dreaming…..Bundy and Machado ain’t going anywhere.
“But I’ll throw in Juan Rivera, maybe even James Loney!”
-Ned C.
Ned C doesn’t like prospects! lol
King Felix would look pretty good in that rotation. And, he loves to pitch against the Red Sox and Yankees.
his velocity is also down and he’s giving up more hits than he ever has in his career
Have a hard time thinking of a team wanting JD Drew on it’s MLB roster after watching him in 2011 and i was one of his supporters the 1st 4 seasons in Boston. He was a shell of himself last season, couldn’t even run/move in RF to take advantage of the good glove he brought with him and his bat was flat out awful in 2011.
and then in September after he was mysteriously absent most of the season with an equally mysterious ailment, he suffers a setback–he hurt his middle finger (probably happened when he flipped the Boston fans ‘the bird’). I am thankful for that Grand Slam in the 07 ALCS–he got the Sox rolling in game 6–but 08, 09, 10, and especially 11 were a joke with him, aside from moments during the 2008 postseason.
Alright, I’ll bite… .927 OPS in ’08, .914 OPS in ’09…total joke, riiiiiiight.
JD Drew is the poster boy for saber or “I know what I see” The I know what I see crowd thinks he is the worst player the Red Sox ever had. The saber crowd is like whoa hold on yea he looks like an emotionless statue but dude is putting up .900+ OPS seasons. If Boras is telling the truth(yes I know big if) thsoe teams were probably the rays/As.
look how many games he missed those seasons! 2008: 109 games played! 2009, 137 games played! I meant in terms of “games played”. Serious injuries (Broken foot (Pedroia), broken Ribs (Ellsbury)) is one thing but with J.D. Drew it always seemed to be that he refused to play through minor injuries. the sore back. that sort of thing. Sore legs. It just seemed to me that he always sat out if he wasn’t 100% and he always–always was good for an extended DL stint. Besides, even looking past my points, is two really good seasons (08-09) in which he played under 140 games both times worth $70MM to you?
I’ll be honest, if I’m a GM calling Boras to inquire about JD Drew I’m asking, “How much will it take for you to never mention my team in connection with Mr. Drew?“…in other words, after he stole all that money from the Red Sox, I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole.
In comparison to Lackey, Lugo, Dicek, and Crawford Drew looks like a bargain price all star.
your bitterness is unexplainable
Machado and Bundy for Felix—-that’s just for starters right?
How the asking price has fallen since suitors started calling. Add on Weiters and we are starting to get to Felix territory. Pretty soon, you get where I’m going– the O’s become the M’s without Felix. Then good luck paying the $18 M.
when they make 18 million dollars no matter how good you dont get 3 blue chip players anymore. Now if he was this good making next to nothing than your talking
felix’s trade value has dropped significantly the last 2 years.
Mentioning Wieters in a trade for Felix is ridiculous, Weiters alone is worth more than felix. He’s a top 5 catcher in the league and being paid next to nothing.
Not sure if serious or troll…..
2011: Wieters 5.0 WAR, 452k Salary
2011: Felix Hernandez 5.5 WAR, 12 Million Salary (60 Million Remaining)
Wieters is just as valuable to a team as Felix is and Wieters is getting paid nothing while Felix has a substantial salary.
So please proceed with explaining to me how a fair trade of felix would include a player who has similar performance but a much greater bargain/
Track record matters a ton, Felix would fetch more than Wieters in a trade.
salary matters in trade value as well
It does but Felix still would fetch more than weiters.
First off WAR calculations for pitchers are worthless to cite when comparing to position players.
You dont seem to like Felix at all, the guy his a Cy Young winner, could win 300 games given how young he is(yes I know wins are whatever but that will put fans in the stands). If I cant convince you that a guy with a sub .800 OPS is worth less than one of the best pitchers in the game then well you need to examine your bias.
Last year was a down year, but he still puts up the innings and is entering his prime already having a cy young. since 2009 he is top 10 in FIP among pitchers. I would take that over Wieters any day of the week. Next year Wieters price will go way up, so your whole look at what they make now is well not that good. Wieters is also streaky.
I like felix, a lot actually and I’m not an Orioles fan so I’m not sure if blaming it on a bias is going to work.
You keep mentioning their performance with out looking at their salary. again I like felix, but he’s getting paid hansomely for it.
Trade value is more than just performance, its a combination of performance, controllability and bargain.
While felix does have wieters beat in performance, its close enough that the fact that wieters is much cheaper and controllable for longer makes him have more trade value.
oh and fyi, wieters ops was good for 6th last year amongst full time catchers, add to that his plus defense, and its shocking a bit how much you are underrating him
So then Wieters and a mid level prospect for verlander…
I mean if you discount last season felix was better, so going into last year that would have been a good trade!
Wieters is essentially Yadier Molina. A good catcher, but given the toll on the body from playing that position I woudl not trade an ace for him. You can argue the cost all you want but Felix is controlled at a high price but still controlled. Wieters will make a lot more next year, lets say he makes 5.5 mil in arbitration, that is about 13 mil less than Felix. Yep that is worth it. Also Wieters’ agent is scott boras, so yea. Teams will pay for frontline starters. I agree Felix isnt as valuable as he was last year(only being controlled for 2.5 years) but still he is way more valuable than Wieters.
If you were going to say Manny and Bundy are worth more than felix you would have a decent argument for potential/control/cost for rebuilding. However Wieters will get expensive fast, is no longer a real controllable prospect, and frankly doesnt produce as much.
So 6th best OPS amongst catchers with plus plus defense is “not as producing as much”
Good offensive/defensive catchers are just as rare as front line pitchers.
Felix is a good pitcher don’t get me wrong, I’d love for the jays to get him.
but the reality is there is maybe 10 teams that can afford Felix.
where as all 30 teams can afford Wieters.
This is all moot though because Wieters wont be moved,but if Seattle asked for him in a trade for felix, I wouldnt do it.
No he isnt as good as a front line pitcher. He isnt cost controlled, as he is going to arbitration and well with boras you know he isnt signing an extension.
you using boras and an extension to lower his value is equivalent to saying felix’s velocity is down so he’s probably going to get hurt. Its semantics and unprovable.
please respond to my below post.
Players do sign extensions with Boras. Wieters is a franchise catcher. Will he “fetch as much” as Felix?, probably not, but unless you think Felix is worth Wieters, Bundy, and Machado as the OP indicates then you are just arguing nickels and dimes right now.
I’d take Wieters and his pennies-on-the-dollar contract over Hernandez and his contract today and any day of the week.
Salty and Weiters are about the same age–Salty is producing a little more with fewer AB’s. I would not consider Salty, as you consider Matt, worth more than Felix. Weiters probably has a better caught stealing %—which is a critical stat.
I would include Salty as expendable in any and all trade activity–to me no one is irreplaceable and everyone is available.
Throw Weiters name as a trade suggestion even up for Felix—no way they even cosider it as a serious offer. Granted he’s controlled throuh 2015 or 16—still not going to be enough. Include Matusz and Markakis and Weiters and we are getting close.
oh wow.
JS last year had a sub .300 obp with below average defense.. i stopped reading after that
salty had a sub .300 obp with below average defense.
i stopped reading after that
Re. 2012 Salty ‘s Offensive Stats VS Weiters:
Games/ AB 54/175——–63/ 228 BA. .263—————–.254 HR/RBI 13/34————-9/32 OBP .307—————–.340 Slg. .554—————–.443 OPS .861—————–.749No question “Caught Stealing” Weiters is Outstanding.
I like Salty –I also like Weiters.
Sorry the way the chart showed up–looked better when I made it–Salty’s first Stat–Weiter’s second.
small sample size.
Salty compared to Wieters? Lol.
Hold your horses pal, Wieters is far from being as valuable as King Felix. Just think about it for a second. King Felix is a top-10 pitcher who is still young and has a proven track record while Wieters is a developing catcher who is definitely worth something just not as much as one of the best pitchers on the game. Not many players have more value than a mid 20’s Cy young Winner.
There is no single player in baseball who is worth that right now.
I would imagine Bundy is about as untouchable as anyone in baseball right now, majors or minors. It beats me how any GM can seriously ask for him in return, unless that return is Verlander. True ace potential is something so hard to find.
I would include Machado in a deal for the right player. An ace-level pitcher for sure, if the O’s can still work in a contract extension under the new CBA. David Wright comes to mind as well, though he’s getting close to the big 3-0.
Bundy is a different story. He’s not going anywhere.