6:42pm: A source with the Reds downplayed the team's interest in Madson, according to John Fay of The Cincinnati Enquirer (on Twitter). MLB.com's Mark Sheldon hears that Cincinnati is unlikely to get serious about the righty unless he drops his asking price.
5:16pm: Ryan Madson and the Reds are in serious talks about a new contract, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. Cincinnati GM Walt Jocketty maintains interest in Francisco Cordero and is eyeing Kerry Wood as a possible alternative.
The Marlins and Rangers have ‘thought’ about Madson and the Phillies recently checked back in on him, Heyman tweets. However, a deal with Philadelphia seems unlikely at this point, since the Phillies already signed closer Jonathan Papelbon. The Yankees aren’t interested, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.
Angels GM Jerry Dipoto said last week that the Angels are "very, very unlikely" to sign Madson or another free agent closer. Dipoto said today that the Angels are “looking to create depth” in the bullpen, MLB.com’s Alden Gonzalez reports.
YES. Coco out, Madson in, please.
what if their serious talks weren’t even about baseball
“Ryan, do you believe in God?”
Ryan: Maybe.
Reds: Well, habe a nice day! Good luck!
Ryan: Lol you too.
killed it
:(. I am sorry, I shall go sit in my room watching spanish soap operas until I teach myself to do better. DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMINT.
My sources say that Jocketty got Madson’s wife pregnant
My sources say that Jocketty got Madson’s wife pregnant
About Madson’s current relationship status?
Depending on what they do with Chapman, a backend bullpen of Chapman, Marshall and Madson would be pretty good.
Waiting on $ figures though…
Along with Masset when he’s good. He is dirty when he settles down. He never really caught fire for more than a month last year, but in 2010 he had something around a low to mid 1 ERA for the reast of the year after his terrible month of April. Ondrusek was also great during the first half of last year, but burned out after the All Star Break.
What reason could the Yankees have for being interested? They already have a killer back-end of the bullpen with Mo, Robertson, and Soriano.
The Reds are beginning to scare me…
Well, they are all in.
they’d have to fold if the CARDS went all in. eh? *few elbow bumps* 😉
Haha, winky face…this is all I think about when I see that…
Nice boo…pumpkins
Yeah, might as well with Votto likely leaving. I still like STL’s chances.
As do I. I see the division (if Madson doesn’t get signed) with:
1A. Cardinals (obvious reasons)
1B. Reds (mostly obvious reasons, Mat Latos/Marshall trade put them slightly in front of Brewers in my mind since they are likely losing Fielder)
2. Brewers (mainly because of the likely Braun 50 game suspension/losing Fielder)
4. Pirates (could be close to .500? maybe.)
5. Cubs (completely rebuilding)
6. Astros (completely rebuilding, last year in the NLC :(, there goes all those easy Wins during their rebuilding time next year)
I don’t want to upset Red fans but this might have a lot to do with Corderos “soft deadline” scare him into signing for less.
No, the market for Madson has disappeared enough to where the Reds can afford him. As soon as the Red Sox traded for Bailey, and the Angels spent all their cash, I had a strong feeling the Reds would end up with Madson. Where else can he close on a contending team? There aren’t any options left besides the Reds, and the Reds have made it pretty clear they’re going all in on 2012.
All the luck to ya. I would mind if the Rays had any money but since we don’t, go for it, Reds!
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Rays sign him either. If I had to be a second team to be a fan of, it would have to be the Rays. The Reds and Rays are in the same boat when it comes to competiting with teams in bigger markets with more payroll (And I understand that the Rays have it much tougher when it comes to payroll differences than the Reds, but the Reds are also competiting with at least $20-25M less than the Cards/Brewers). The Reds have recently taken the approach of the Rays in developing prospects, which is starting to pay off. Best of luck to the Rays again this year. I enjoy watching the small market clubs compete and win against the bigger market clubs.
I like Reds fans
Dream on. It’s only January 10. Boras isn’t going to give away his prized closer cheap….at least not yet.
I agree this is a bluff to bring Cordero to the table at the Reds’ price. One year plus a team option will be plenty. Closers will abound next year if needed.
Who said that we were going to sign him cheap? The Reds do have $6-12M they can spend if they choose, especially in this All In 2 year period while Votto is still in Cincy.
That’s objectively reasonable, but won’t appeal to Boras in my opinion. It’s too early in January.
The Reds can get most of their ninth inning leads into the clubhouse with Cordero. There’s no need to go nuts and solve Boras’s problems for him.
But Cordero would cost us a draft pick, and Boras is running out of teams that want AND can afford Madson. If they Angels are out, the Reds are the most logical choice.
Scott Boras doesn’t think like you and I might. His brinksmanship has resulted in some stunning paydays for his clients, and has also landed more than one client in the ditch. He who hires Boras signs up to ride the rapids and hope for the best.
I agree with you that logically Madson’s prospects have plummeted after the Phillies turned on a dime and grabbed Papelbon. But would he take 1 year $12M from the Reds? Maybe in Spring Training, but not now.
I don’t understand why signing Cordero costs the Reds a draft pick. He was their player in the first place. Am I missing something?
the Reds get a supplemental pick if Cordero signs elsewhere. He was a modified Type B under the new CBA
the Reds get a supplemental pick if Cordero signs elsewhere. He was a modified Type B under the new CBA
He was a modified Type A free agent under the new CBA, which means the Reds didn’t have to offer him (or Ramon Hernandez) arbitration to get a supplamental pick in the 2012 draft. By signing Coco, we would lose that draft pick and wouldn’t get it back with how supplamental draft picks are gained under the the new CBA, because we would have to offer him like $12M and have him decline to get that pick for 2013 if we offered him arbitration after the 2012 season if he came back for the 2012 season. I hope this makes sense because it’s kind of confusing.
Now I get it. Let somebody else, anybody else, sign him and the Reds stockpile a pick.
But the value of that pick is lost or compromised if to get it the franchise overpays Madson. A supplemental draft pick is worth something, but the odds of the player ripening into a major league asset is no better than 50-50.
True. But a top 50 pick in the draft can also turn out to be great. Almost every team is made of 2nd-6th rounders (estimation), not first. You can’t pass up on a nice, early promising draft pick with how overpaid players are nowadays. Top 50 draft picks tend to be promising. And I hate to toot this horn again, but Pujols was drafted in the 13th round.
You have to remember, though. Cordero is worth a top 50 draft pick to us. So, paying a little extra for the younger closer in Madson + Draft pick is likely worth more than aging Cordero for less money + no draft pick. The draft pick is particularly key after trading away all the guys they did from the minors for Marshall and Latos.
Also, it would be hard to scare Coco even lower. Their 2 year deal offered at the end of the 2011 season that he declined is already of the table. Jocketty said that it’s likely a 1 year deal if Coco comes back, and it would suprise me if it was for more than $5M with how dry the Closer market is.
I’m thinking that Cordero must have given them his answer if they are in “serious” negotiations with Madson. I hope they do sign him, because he is younger than Coco and he will be a better option for them if they want to sign for a longer term I think.
Do the Reds have the money to sign him?
They have a lot of deferred contracts, which I am not exactly a huge fan of, I can’t stand debt! Anyway, if the Reds sign him, it means the Orioles could have signed and afforded him ! They have exactly the same fan base believe it or not!
Now, grant it the Reds are a much better team, still they have the exact same fan base level.
So, Duquette and Angelos if you read this on MLB TR’s (highly doubtful, still), what would your excuse for not being able to sign Madson?
The Reds have one of the highest TV ratings in baseball (an article a few weeks ago said they were Top 5 in MLB I believe). They just don’t have the 3M fans at the game a year because they are a small market club. Fans are very loyal, there just isn’t as many general fans to attend the games every day. Baltimore is a larger market and had lower attendence, which might offset when it comes to revenue because of TV money. I’m sure Baltimore is just choosing not to sign him because they aren’t in the right situation right now when it comes to competiting for the whole sha-bang.
No Cordero equals a draft pick the Reds NEED.. A WIN
Madson in our bullpen equals a WIN.. DO IT WALT.. The Reds will have the 3 M’s closing games… Masset, Marshall and Madson.. Our BP will be dangerous. Arredondo, Bray, Ondrusek, LeCure with those 3.. Plus we have Brackman and Judy who will surprise people this year..
if the angels are not going to go after madison and have a log jam in the outfield, would a trumbo for arodys trade work with the braves? his value will drop off in the pen since craig and johnny have the prime spots locked down
Scotty will ruin this deal for Madson too!
As the pen is about to hit the paper, Boras pulls it away and says “if you really wanted him, you would give him his 4 years, now if you’ll excuse me, I gotta go marry Prince Fielder”
I wonder how many pages Madson’s book contain’s? Did Scotty go all out and fill it up enough to be a short novel or just a children’s book?
It just lists in detail all the reasons Madson is better than Mariano Rivera.
And how he reportidly was clocked by a mystery team throwing 106MPH fastball in a bullpen session, even faster than Chapman’s.
And Madson wears a cape and tights when he’s not saving the game of baseball
I heard he likes to save kittens from burning buildings as pre- warm up, warm ups.
This never gets old. We really need to have a page dedicated to these jokes.
Or a team would back out on an all-but-agreed-upon deal at the last second.
It works both ways.
Boras: Didn’t I mention? This contract also states that you must sign Fielder to a 10 year, $250M contract if you sign this contract to pick up Madson.
The Marlins would have to plug Madson in as a setup guy, since they already have Bell. I would discount the rumor based on that, though. Steve Cishek can be the 8th inning guy for way cheaper.
Bray, Marshall and Madson…that’s almost like making it a 6 inning game.
Wowee. Madson would make this bullpen pretty damn good. With Cueto, Latos, and Arroyo pitching into the 7th on a consistent basis….damn! Now watch,… Votto, Phillips, and Bruce will break their legs or something stupid like that. Seriously, though. Why wouldn’t Madson go for a one year deal at $7MM or $8MM if not 2 for $12MM? With a good chance to win a ring? At 32 years old, he can still make good money as a FA in a year or two. I’d take a piece of that!
I’m still trying to figure out why the Reds traded 3 players for 1 season of Sean Marshall
They traded a back end SP in Wood, a speed only guy in Sa…something and I can’t even remember the 3rd guy. I know Marshall is just a RP but that deal was fine. Now the Rizzo deal….Theo has fixed the Cubs, that’s for sure. Fixed the future, anyway.
FYI…Sappelt was in no way a “speed only” guy. Do some research, man. It blows my mind that, number 1, you can’t even remember the kid’s name yet you feel you can make that generalization and number 2, that in the age of the Internet you can pull up stats from EVERY at-bat he’s ever had…yet you decide to go on what you hear, not what the stats say.
Kid’s name is Ronald Torreyes. A midget of a ballplayer, but outproduces his size. Look up his numbers from last year.
I feel the pain, Reds fans. Rumors are evil, I don’t buy any Rays rumors. I just get happy when there is a press conference.
what a buzzkill
This is a fabricated interest developed by Boras to try to get more suitors.
smokescreen
Good fit
One would like to think the Reds learned their lesson about overpaying for relievers with CoCo.
Haha. I like how when somebody doesn’t completely confirm the rumor after a update the title turns from a statement to the statement with a “?” at the end.
Never trust anything Heyman says when he is discussing a Boras client. He always pumps up Boras clients. It is almost like he is on Boras’s payroll.
Bad decision, if true, for the reds…depending on price. They just freed themselves of a huge closer salary, why would they turn around and commit more to another. Teams have proven time and again their are cheap alternatives if they do their homework.
They need a right handed bat to protect Votto and give Bruce a cushion.
Yeah cause there are so many outfield or shortstop bats out there right now left. Please…
LOL I’m sure most teams would go after a solid bullpen arm like Madson as long as the price comes down. These news reports are amusing but getting a little redundant. I sure hope Madson or Boras realizes that no team is bidding against themselves, which is usually what happens to most of Boras’ clients, and lower their asking price.
So after all that discussion, I was right the Red cannot afford him.
Jon Heyman, you are so full of bologna!