The Reds announced that they acquired infielder Wilson Valdez from the Phillies for left-hander Jeremy Horst (Twitter link). Horst will be in Major League Spring Training as a non-roster player, according to the Phillies, who now have two open spots on their 40-man roster.
Valdez, 33, posted a .249/.294/.341 line in 300 plate appearances for the Phillies in 2011, playing second, third and short. He even pitched an inning, picking up a win against the Reds in May. He'll earn $930K in 2012.
Horst made his MLB debut in 2011, posting a 2.93 ERA with a 9K/6BB ratio in 15 1/3 innings. The 26-year-old also posted a 2.81 ERA with 7.4 K/9 and 2.5 BB/9 in 51 1/3 innings at Triple-A last year.
But can he pitch?
Oh wait
Needed that extra IF. Looks like this will be the last move for Walt.
looks like a insurance policy to cozart, i like it
Did they acquire Valdez to set-up Madson? He does have a career 0.00 ERA you know!
And is the first player since Babe Ruth in 1921 to start the game in the field and finish it as winning pitcher! He already has stuff from that game in the HOF. How many other players have stuff in the HOF?
Hi Bob
I stuck a peice of gum underneth a display case.
My God, that is really funny.
My God, that is really funny.
My God, that is really funny.
My God, that is really funny.
I came here intentionally to make the joke about Valdez being used as a high-leverage reliever, however everyone beat me to it.
So now the Phils have no back up SS for when Jimmy inevitably goes on the DL.
likely mike martinez….obviously, not thrilled about that at all
So the Phillies have no MLB quality SS for when Jimmy inevitably goes on the DL.
That better?
If you consider Wilson Valdez MLB-quality, that’s… A bit of a stretch.
he isnt a all star and probably couldnt start for 80% of mlb teams but ur basically saying rey ordonez was a stretch as mlb quality or juan castro. these guys make careers out of batting .250 with plus defense.shortstops arent supposed to bat .350 with 40 hrs and 110 r.b.i. aww the mid 90s spoiled us
exactly
Michael Martinez presumably takes over at SS. We all know his bat doesn’t exist, but he has plus defense at SS. Wigginton can also play SS in a pinch, but let’s all pray he doesn’t have to.
You do realize we resigned Rollins right?
um..
But you still need a SS for those 45 games he is on the DL
Because he’s expected to spend more time on the DL in 2012 than he did in any of the past 11 years bar 2010?
Because he’s expected to spend more time on the DL in 2012 than he did in any of the past 11 years bar 2010?
Because he’s expected to spend more time on the DL in 2012 than he did in any of the past 11 years bar 2010?
Seeing as I was responding to a question on who takes over as Rollins’ backup, I’d say I realized that.
Michael Martinez – the Wilson Valdez clone, though not as good on the mound
The Phils must think Freddy Galvis is almost ready for MLB SS. He’s already on the 40-man roster.
Nah, he’s gonna get full-time action in the minors to keep working on the bat. Only if JRoll goes on the DL.
Well, welcome back to Louisville Janish. Horst looked like he could have been a decent reliever. Oh well. How does he look in the field, particularly at SS?
you guys picked a great util guy. I’d argue his glove is just as good if not better than Rollins…definitely a better arm
Arm is better. Range is not nearly as good.
I’d argue no to both. He’s an adequate defensive replacement but not better than jroll
Yeah. We’re familiar with his arm.
i agree its better then j roll and im very happy to have him. juan castro(ironically the phillies know a lil bout him also) was a very important player on a’lot of bad patched up reds teams, theyre both cut from the same cloth
Its always fun watching Valdez field. Dude has an absolute cannon. Howard would frequently shake his glove after catching his missiles.
Hate to use the word, but Wilson played defense with swagger! A depth move that worked out very well for the Phils.
I wish he would “swagger” down to 1st base a little more often, as opposed to being the GIDP king.
Losing Valdez is an oxymoron, be cause it is not a loss.
i disagree, martinez will b slippin on his jerry curl juice while valdez runs circles around him but that was funny
Valdez= a billy goat
Amaro is the king of blockbusters!
So what happens to Janish? Is Valdez better in the field? A quick look at Baseball Reference doesn’t indicate he’s been any better at the plate — and he’s more expensive. I don’t really understand this move, though Horst was certainly expendable to me.
It appears he’s a .250 hitter with little power, along with being a plus defender. Janish is a .220 hitter with very little power, has options, and has a great glove and range. Janish will be in Louisville, and will only come up if Cario, Cozart, or Valdez gets injured. Janish had his shot last year, and didn’t prove much. I feel like he could of done much better and could have been an average SS with great defense and versatility, but failed in his first real shot as the starter. He probably won’t get another chance anytime soon.
Valdez is a very good fielder with an unbelievable arm. At the plate he’s a double play machine. With a guy on first you’re better off sac bunting with him.
Not happy with this at all. Valdez is great in the field, what are they going to do when Rollins, Utley and Polanco go on the DL? He can fill in at any position, he was an integral piece of the Phillies puzzle. Are they really banking on Wigginton to play all these positions? Bad, bad move.
Martinez was pretty close to Valdez defensively…neither one could hit.
I don’t like Martinez at all.
Why? They’re the same exact player fundamentally. If you think about it, Martinez might actually have more value than Valdez.
Their defense is very good, Martinez has more speed, they both have non-existing bats, and Martinez makes a couple hundred thousand less. Plus, Martinez can play the outfield in addition to the infield.
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(disqus… darn you).
Valdez had a .370 Ba with RISP so I don’t know where you get your facts from. Better hitting on the phils last season with RISP.
That’s good for him.
Here’s some facts you chose to ignore:
2011
.249 batting average
.294 on base percentage
.341 slugnig
3/6 stolen bases / stolen base attempts
13 GDP
That’s not much of a bat. Tell me, do you consider that a good hitter?
Michael Martinez doesn’t have one either… It’s hard to gauge him though because Valdez was typically the prefered option and has much more of a sample size.
.198 batting average
.258 obp
.282 slugging
3/3 stolen bases/attempts
2 GDP
It’s essentially an offensive wash with Wilson Valdez having an edge. Neither guy is very good.
I would take a guy who gets a hit 1/4 at bats as oppose to 1 every 5, thats typically not even a hit a game. And when you are batting over 1/3 with RISP you gotta be joking to think they are close offensively.
Do you understand the concept of small sample size?
I do think they’re close offensively and they’re both replacement level players. I didn’t ask you what you would rather take, I asked you if you consider a guy with a .294 obp is a good hitter. Obviously his numbers are better than Martinez. They’re not by any means amazing and both guys are bad.
According to Baseball reference, Wilson Valdez is bellow replacement level, Martinez is actually right at 0 WAR. So they’re essentially the same guy.
I don’t want either guy on the team personally. This off season was full of guys better than Wilson and better than Michael. Ryan Theriot is a guy still out there who I would target.
u trash valdez and then mention theriot? lmao
dude u were spoiled with mid 90s with guys like a-rod, garciaparra, jeter, tejada. i dnt think anyone is saying valdez is a all star. shortstops arent supposed to bat .350 with 40 hrs and 110 rbi. every world series contending ball club needs that guy whether its craig counsel or aaron boone or allen craig. every team needs him and we have him and for that i am grateful. does he need to hit .300 or have 25 hrs to b relevant?
yea im confused as to y some philly fans arent to upset with losing him. he is a pros pro and im thrilled to have him on my squad
Horst has a ton of potential. I think you’ll be satisfied with him. He’ll be an excellent lefty out of the pen for you
yea philly sports fans are very knowledgable, which is why i dnt understand y some philly fans arent disappointed in losing him or dnt thin its much of a loss. the phillies have to b 1 of the oldest teams in baseball and a guy like valdez seems like a vital piece to a team
Damn, loved having this guy around. Hard to look at this as anything but a loss for the phils.
Ruben is opening up a spot for someone.
except he already had a spot open
Yep Jiwann
Galvis could be a Utility guy by August too.
phils trade a pitcher with a 0.00 era to the reds for a hitter with a 1.000 ba
win-win no?
Hawilson! Love him and sad to see him go.
I consider Martinez the more valueable player anyway. The guy can play every position on the infield (minus catcher, probably), he can play all three outfield positions, he is faster than Wilson Valdez, giving him added value as a pinch running option off the bench. He is a switch hitter, but like Valdez, he doesn’t have much of a bat so that’s moot. In addition, he’s making the league minimum vs. $930,000.
Everyone is calling this a win for the Reds, because they love Valdez…but from a stats view Horst looks pretty good..On paper I call this a wash at best
no, nobody is calling a win for a trade for 2 fringe players.
Dude it is DEF a win for the Reds. Every MLB team could of picked up Horst on waivers in Dec, but not one team snatched him up. We got Valdez for NOTHING. More depth for Uncle Walt and my Reds. Horst will be decent, that is all
In the immortal words of Billy Preston:
“Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.”
I thought that was from Coolio in “Fantastic Voyage”?
Hmm, you really do learn something new everyday.
I believe this puts the Reds’ 40-man roster at 41. Who’s getting booted?
I’d say Cueto or Votto. Probably Votto. We have too many infielders as it is listed on the 40 man.
Seriously, though, I’d say Janish or Frazier. They are redundant. Janish more than likely. Either that or one of the kids they protected from the Rule 5 draft. (Lotkar or Negron would be my guesses)
Frazier is hardly redundant, especially with the lack of infield depth. I think Negron is a good guess, though.
Frazier is hardly redundant, especially with the lack of infield depth. I think Negron is a good guess, though.
Yeah, ‘redundant’ was probably the wrong word there. Of all the players I listed, Frazier would be the least likely IMO to be taken off the roster. They don’t have to do anything officially until Ludwick has signed his contract.
I’d think we’ve seen the best that Janish has to offer. He has little or no trade value and wouldn’t surprise me to see him go unclaimed if he is the one moved off the 40. Frazier I’d like to see get some extended playing time if Rolen goes down again. I don’t think he’ll ever hit better than .250-.260 but Francisco’s defense and plate discipline leave a lot to be desired.
I’d think we’ve seen the best that Janish has to offer. He has little or no trade value and wouldn’t surprise me to see him go unclaimed if he is the one moved off the 40. Frazier I’d like to see get some extended playing time if Rolen goes down again. I don’t think he’ll ever hit better than .250-.260 but Francisco’s defense and plate discipline leave a lot to be desired.
I’d think we’ve seen the best that Janish has to offer. He has little or no trade value and wouldn’t surprise me to see him go unclaimed if he is the one moved off the 40. Frazier I’d like to see get some extended playing time if Rolen goes down again. I don’t think he’ll ever hit better than .250-.260 but Francisco’s defense and plate discipline leave a lot to be desired.
Do you mean Janish or Frazier off the 25 man? Because I could see Carlos Fisher sweating right now as to who goes off the 40 man.
Is the lefty we got a good pitcher?
Talk about redundancy! Sheesh!
Tyler repeats himself when under stress he repeats himself when under stress he repeats himself when under stress….
How is this not a win for the Phils? Valdez was nothing to special and there is a replacement that is virtually him on the 40 man roster..you get a 26 year old who in a small sample size didnt look bad. Rest of the Phils are kinda getting old, A younger bullpen option is a good reward for a player like valdez
I’d imagine you could consider it a win-win if you really must pick a winner. The Reds needed an experienced SS/utility type on their bench and apparently you guys needed a young lefty in your pen…or something.
Side note: Anyone want to buy a Reds mini-bat freshly autographed by Jeremy Horst?
“Side note: Anyone want to buy a Reds mini-bat freshly autographed by Jeremy Horst?”
Was it used in any adult movies? If so, I’ll pay DOUBLE.