The Blue Jays have acquired Jason Frasor from the White Sox in exchange for right-handed pitchers Myles Jaye and Daniel Webb, according to a press release. Frasor, 34, returns to Toronto where he played his entire big league career before being traded to the White Sox mid-season.
The veteran right-hander had his $3.75MM club option exercised on October 31st. It's possible that the White Sox picked up the option with the intention of dealing him this winter. Frasor posted a 3.60 ERA with 8.6 K/9 and 3.9 BB/9 in 60 innings for the Blue Jays and White Sox in 2011. He will join former teammate Sergio Santos, whom Toronto acquired in early December. 
Jaye and Webb were not among the top 25 prospects in the Blue Jays' system, according to John Sickels of Minor League Ball. Jaye, 20, was Toronto's 17th round pick in 2010 and made nine starts and four relief outings for the club's Appalachian League affiliate in 2011. Webb, 22, spent the bulk of 2011 with Single-A Lansing where he posted a 5.59 ERA with 7.0 K/9 and 3.3 BB/9 in 12 starts and six relief appearances.
It appears that GM Ken Williams hasn't taken any time off to celebrate the New Year after trading Carlos Quentin to the Padres just over 24 hours ago. By trading Frasor and the arbitration-eligible Quentin, the club has saved roughly $11.25MM in 2012.
Frasor and starter Zach Stewart were shipped to Chicago prior to the trade deadline for starter Edwin Jackson and third baseman Mark Teahen. Of course, the Blue Jays dealt Jackson to the Cardinals that very same day in order to land center fielder Colby Rasmus.
He’s back yo.
More importantly, Mrs Frasor is back
With a whole new attitude.
Wow, always liked Frasor, was sad when he was traded. But now he’s back! 😀
Lets be honest, did anyone even know he left?
I won’t lie, I thought the guy was being traded TO the White Sox.
Always fun to start the new year off with a blockbuster
My hope for the new year was to have no more stupid sarcastic comments on minor league signings, but 14 hours into 2012 it was ruined…
My hope for the new year was to not have any of these dumb sarcastic comments on minor league signings and trades, but 14 hours into 2012 that was ruined…
Agreed.
I knew it was too good to be true
Blue Jays: Ok….you can have Frasor. Take good care of him!
White Sox: Thanks dood
Blue Jays: No! You cheated! We want him back! NOW!
White Sox: Easy little guy…fine
Blue Jays: SUCCESS
Salary dump for the WSox… low-level prospects, so not bad. But not as the set-up… Would much rather Janssen in that role!
would much rather whoever earns it in that role. regardless who it is, the best pitcher outside of santos should be the setup or important situational guy.
Thank god Kenny Williams traded away Danks
Resigning him in a clear rebuilding phase would have been foolish
resigning him does not necessarily mean he will start the season with the sox…the long term deal at a good price may in fact up the value that they could receive from another team in a trade.
The no trade clause for the first year does guarantee he’ll be starting the year there, though
haha good point, never knew about that…just knew he got resigned.
I’m pretty sure when his team is 20 games out of first he will be more than happy to waive that NTC.
You think he doesn’t know the team will be bad in 2012? Otherwise he wouldn’t have signed the contract if he wasn’t ok with a couple bad seasons.
You think he doesn’t know the team will be bad in 2012? Otherwise he wouldn’t have signed the contract if he wasn’t ok with a couple bad seasons.
Jays lost interest in Danks as soon as he was extended….teams with strong prospect funnels only want Danks for a year and then grab the draft picks when he opts for FA
Doesn’t make too much sense to trade away a couple of good prospects, have Danks for a year only for the intention to get the draft picks that may land you “a couple of good prospects” that you originally had again the following year.
Jays would trade a couple of their B list prospects. For example, Nestor Molina was a B list prospect. Baseball America had him ranked as their 18th best prospect.
They wouldn’t want Danks in his free agent years because they don’t pay more than $3mil to $4mil per WAR on long-term contracts.
They would be aggressive in the draft with their 1st and supplemental pick because they spend around $11mil on signing bonuses.
What I suggested they do with Danks is similar to what Tampa Rays did with Rafael Soriano. In fact, Jays are pretty much copying Rays in Baseball Operation execution.
Not sure that logic still applies to Danks under the new CBA. Would he be offered $12 million to be a qualifying FA? (or am I misunderstanding the new compensation draft pick arrangement?)
Yep…if your qualifying offer is within Top 10 percent salaries, the player qualifies as a Type A free agent if he opts for Free Agency. But, you must have the player for at least a full season.
Danks being one year away from Free Agency and projecting to $7.6mil arb salary were some of the attributes that made him attractive to Blue Jays. I doubt they want him with his new salary $14.5 mil. He is typically 3.0 WAR player with some upside. AA usually pays out $2 mil to $3mil per WAR on multi-year contracts.
Jays lost interest in Danks as soon as he was extended….teams with strong prospect funnels only want Danks for a year and then grab the draft picks when he opts for FA
Since when is resigning a 26-year-old ace of the team to a 5-year-old counter-productive in a rebuild? You guys seriously need to understand that this rebuild isn’t going to take 5 years, it will take 2, maybe 3.
They also weren’t going to get much for Danks – nothing like Gonzalez brought – so better just to keep him.
Ken Williams will not rest until he has every Blue Jays pitching prospect.
be careful with the term “prospect”
what the hell is kenny williams doing? does anyone know?
He’s starting to look like Ed Wade.
“starting”?
isn’t Kenny Williams black?
Kenny Williams is wearing a toupee?
Coke? Yeah, probably coke…
it’s a helluva drug
Coke? Yeah, probably coke…
He is trading an over-paid reliever that should have had his option declined a couple months ago for 2 low level prospects. It’s a salary dump, but it also adds 2 young pitchers. It was a really good move for both teams.
I look at it like the Sox shouldn’t have exercised Frasor’s option anyway. He sucked on the South Side. Now, we have two “prospects” for a guy we should have let walk. We simply cannot lose, unless we cut a future star to make room for them.
It made more sense to pick up his option. Declining the option would have cost something. This way there is no cost and prospects come back in return.
What do you mean “declining the option would have cost something”??
It’s possible Frasor’s contract was different, but most options have a buy out so that declining them means the team has to pay something – e.g., Peavy has an option for ’13, but buying it out will cost something like 4mil. If there was not a cash buy out required, then it made sense only because of getting back prospects.
It’s possible Frasor’s contract was different, but most options have a buy out so that declining them means the team has to pay something – e.g., Peavy has an option for ’13, but buying it out will cost something like 4mil. If there was not a cash buy out required, then it made sense only because of getting back prospects.
like a $500,000 buy out, maybe?
like a $500,000 buy out, maybe?
Yep…the best of for White Sox would have been declining Frasor’s option, offer arb, and hope he signs elsewhere so Sox get supplemental pick (which is greater than Miles Jaye & other guy)
He cut payroll by trading spare parts and signed his best young pitcher to a long term deal when he couldn’t get a big return in prospects. It really isn’t hard to figure out.
Uhh wow, 2 low ceiling prospects that are years away for Frasor? I’ll take it.
Welcome back Frasor!
Myles Jaye is actually a nice sleeper with some potential but with all the pitching depth the jays have in the low minors, no one will notice he is gone
Yeah he is a sleeper but I don’t see the high upside.
AA does it again! Wow! Laffey, Oliver, Bocock, Frasor, Oliver, etc. JEDI MIND TRICKS! Genius!!
Now the Jays have the 16 best pen in baseball.
Not bad!!
Why are you inlcuding laffey and bocock… those are minor league deals. And who is this other Oliver character…? Also these lame sarcastic jedi mind tricks jokes are not even funny, considering we actually have a pretty good Bullpen now. I dont see the issue? Did you take a liking to those prospects you’ve never heard of?
I think he is being sarcastic.
Thanks for including Oliver twice
He’s that good.
notsureifsrs
I like that Kenny keeps acquiring young arms, I wonder who’s next.
A little league pitcher…
Yeah stockpilling arms is always a positive step for any farmsystem.
Its like Williams suddenly realized the use having a minor league system may have for the parent club!
It was only a matter of time before AA started putting this bullpen back together. I don’t think Frasor wanted to leave in the first place (being married to a local girl for one). He was a quality player that will look even better now that he wont be looked at as a possible closer.
does anyone know anything about these guys?
Miles Jaye is not bad…good addition if your talent funnel is weak.
I mean Jason Frasor for a 20 year old and a 22 year old, that’s a solid haul regardless of their current stats. Jays must have really like Frasor.
proven success in the al east
Its not like either one is a top prospect and Frasor is a solid pitcher for Toronto good move Jays
I’m not trying to bash here, but, just because they’re young doesn’t mean it’s a good deal. It’s a salary dump of an overpaid middle relief guy for a couple of names the majority of Jays fan have never heard of. Frasor had next to no value and that’s what the Sox got for him; next to nothing.
Frasor was a solid RP when he was in Toronto. Excellent move to solidify the bullpen!!
He’s a fine pen arm. He still had next to no value.
Frasor was a solid RP when he was in Toronto. Excellent move to solidify the bullpen!!
Good pickup by the Jays, giving them depth from which to make a bigger deal with. Watch this site for another, bigger AA blockbuster in the coming weeks…
does anyone know anything about these guys?
Frasor comes for basically 2 PTBNL (2 who have not played above Class A) is great!! That’s why we sign a lot of Minor League deals, to bolster our farm…. I hope this is the start of more transactions for the Jays, 3 somewhat noticeable players signed with the Jays the past three days (Oliver, Laffey, and now Frasor) and 3 others to minor league deals 😀
“Previously on Lost…” I think the Jays should send Teahan to the Tigers for Dotel, and then Rasmus to St. Louis for Rzep… Then almost everyone who left the Island is back… Oh wait, except Wells! Nevermind!!
And Napoli!
As long as Johnny Mac doesn’t return, it’s a good day.
why?
Fraser sucks he blew alot of games last your for Toronto member the closer experiment what a bust who we getting next rauch and Freddy
I think you mean Frankie…
As usual, another ignorant poster that doesn’t have a clue. For years on end, Frasor teamed with Scott Downs in the eighth inning, allowing leads to go to the closer. Perhaps you were still an infant when that happened. Frasor in 09 was the closer, taking over from Ryan, when he was injured and saved 16 of 17 games. In 2010, Frasor blew a couple of games, Cito panicked and he went back to doing what he does best, preserving leads. To say he was the problem for blown saves is inaccurate. Camp, Miller, Tallet, Ledezma, Rauch, Dotel, Francisco, Zep blew most of them and were cut loose. Frasor has been an asset and it is nice to have him back. If you don’t agree, I hear that the major leagues have 29 other teams you can criticize, so please pick one, so your ignorance will then be focused on another team.
are you kidding me?? we’ve gone from speculating about Darvish, Fielder and Garza to picking up Oliver, Laffey and Frasor? FRASOR?? OMG, it’s gonna take more than spanky new/old uniforms to bring people back to Skydome
Why cut off our nose to spite our face? Frasor is a very solid bullpen arm tried-and-tested on the Toronto mound. Today the Jays are stronger than they were yesterday.
and never getting help doesn’t make you brave
Why do people keep saying laffey like he was a big pickup or something?
He’s on a minor league contract…is that too complex for you? Oliver
is Solid , Frasor is decant and we gave nobodies up for him. We got
Rasmus for rentals , the only pieces we actually ended up giving away
for Rasmus is Zach Stewart and Rzep… Who else doesn’t make that trade?
like seriously? I don’t care if you hate AA or even if Rasmus ends up
busting , every GM makes that trade.
depends how highly you rate stewart, but based on what we saw & trusting in AA and jays scouting department, i completely agree with all of the above.
depends how highly you rate stewart, but based on what we saw & trusting in AA and jays scouting department, i completely agree with all of the above.
I’m frankly not sure why you felt justified in getting this snotty, particularly when you took the post in a completely different direction than the person who actually posted it.
Nowhere–nowhere–in his post does he mention Rasmus, Stewart or Rzep, or even the trade in general. That makes, oh, about 80% of your post completely off topic. The best part would be the remaining 20%, which exists pretty much solely to set up the worthless 80% and throw in an insult to make you feel good about yourself.
You’re obviously struggling–too distracted by big boobs perhaps–so let me help you out: All he said is that the offseason began with dreams of Fielder, Darvish and Garza and all the Jays have picked up are Oliver, Laffey and Frasor, and that those pickups are not going to put butts in the seats. Nobody said Laffey was a big pickup. In fact, the reality that he was not a big pickup was pretty much the OP’s entire point. You may have missed it in your race to throw in an insult.
If you have something to say about what people actually post, by all means, go ahead. That is worthwhile discussion. If all you’re going to do is put words into peoples mouth and then insult them for those words, do us all a favor and don’t bother.
And you say 80% of my post was pointless… Yikes. Where’s the insult by the way?
Maybe his post was “too complex for you”?
If that’s an insult then i’m horrible at them.
Because the OP is acting like these type of deals are mutually exclusive as if you can’t work out small deals while trying to finish a big deal. Sure no big names have landed in Toronto this off-season (much to the dismay of some), but, finishing smaller deals doesn’t stand in the way of bigger deals. And Rasmus is an example of a bigger name landing in Toronto; almost like he was talking about the OP’s post. Either way, big names won’t draw people to the Dome. Only winning will do that.
I think your disqus is on *AutoTroll* , might wanna unclick that option and talk baseball for once.
You won the worst troll of the year for 2011, good start for 2012.
I pity you for your stupidity, like, did you have no friends to hang out last night for new years? So you decided to wake up and instantly troll the Jays? Did AA still your cheating girlfriend? Or did Rasmus sleep with your mom? Please tell us why you hate the Jays, I need something to amuse me to get my mind off my hangover.
Don’t feed the trolls. Then they will die, as they are too dumb to feed themselves.
Kenny is so stupid. By getting rid of salaries he’s trading away the best guys on the team for people who probably aren’t gonna meals it to the majors!!! Seriously has anyone heard of the guys before the trades?!?!?!?!?!?!
Did you just refer to Jason Frasor as “the best guys”? I couldn’t stand Frasor. Most Sox fans were pissed Kenny even picked up his $3.75M option. This trade was very good for the Sox, and for both teams really. We turned what should have been a declined-option in to 2 young prospects. We turned “nothing” in to “something”. That’s never a bad deal.
Couldn’t the White Sox receive a pick by declining his option and offering him arbitration?
Yeah I’m really not impressed with his moves. When Ed Wade tries to build a pen they say he is an idiot, but this guy does the same and he is some type of genius.
its called “rogers centre” now if u didnt know that already
AA is looking at another big trade which is reasoninf for the many depth moves…watch in the coming weeks jays will trade for starter by trading an OF, RP, SP from the current roster and 1 procpect..
^This
thats what everyone says.
he could just be improving his bullpen as a means to you know, improve his bullpen.
That’s crazy, what GM in their right mind would want a ton of solid depth in their bullpen?
That’s what St. Louis did last season, especially mid season with the Rasmus trade..
woosh!
OR they just need bullpen depth
Its not like the sox were gonna get much back for frasor its mostly a salary dump, but keep in mind the sox hired a scouting director from the blue jays this season and he apparently had his eyes on the three kids the sox have gotten back from the blue jays this offseason.
Another move coming for the Jays soon to get back down to 40… by my count, with Frasor and Oliver, they’re at 41 when Oliver becomes official.
this is ok, frasor is a nice arm to have, and they likely gave up nothing for him. bullpen now looks like:
santos
janssen
oliver
frasor
villanueva
carreno/litsch/perez
that looks strong imo. and the excess depth can be used in the rotation if need be since villanueva, litsch, carreno and perez have all started before (not that we necessarily want them starting tho).
I think Carreno goes back to starting.
he wouldn’t get any late innings anyways, he’d be a waste.
As much as I hate watching Jason Frasor pitch because of how long he takes, he’s effective and the bullpen is shaping up to be pretty decent now.
This move also leads me to believe that Carreno will be put back in a starting role.
Santos, Oliver, Frasor, Janssen, Villanueva, Litsch and Beck/Perez is a pretty decent pen.
Frasors got to be ecstatic about coming back.
yea that seems to be a good possibility. if he can maintain command i think he could be a good one. he’s always been able to punch guys out really well. his numbers from 2010 in dunedin are pretty eye-popping.
Agreed with all of this. I think Perez makes it just because he is a lefty and he has decent numbers against lefties (a lot better then I thought they were, very comparable to Mike Gonzalez. Hopefully Carreno continues to develop, I was quite impressed with him last season.
2nd time this offseason that a reliever has been traded for a prospect whose name is some variation on the name “Miles”.
Welcome back Frasor!
So the Trade in a sense now was.
2 Months of E Jax, Teahan for Zack Stewart, Jaye & Webb.
Yup for the Jays it’s Zack Steward, Cory Patterson, Octavio Dotel, and Mark Rezp, Jayd & Webb for Rasmus, Teahan, and P.J Walters plus a couple of old and horrible relievers (Tallet, and Miller) who were released before the end of the season…. Not bad
not bad!!
Welcome back Frasor!
Is it completely unfathomable that Jays fans on here will ever think an AA deal is bad? The Napoli “deal” made him a borderline laughingstock in my opinion. He flipped a C with pop for a middle reliever, you never ever do that. Ever. There is nothing anyone can say that will make that logically reasonable. Maybe if he got a SP who gave them 30+ starts, thats a fair deal, but as soon as I heard “Napoli for Francisco” I almost threw up. Sorry guys, AA isnt as big a genius as you make him out to be.
He was a genius for somehow getting rid of Vernon Wells.
But yeah…the Napoli trade was horrendous
When I heard they got Napoli for him I was like “wow, thats an incredible deal, Napoli will probably hit 40 HR getting play in the AL east parks all the time”…then AA flipped him. For a dime a dozen middle reliever. Horrific.
middle reliever = innings 5, 6 or 7
set-up man = 8th inning
closer = 9th inning
fransisco is a set-up man/closer NOT a middle reliever
napoli would have been a part time first basemen and DH in toronto
they saved money, got a closer for 1 year and ultimately a 1st round draft pick for napoli
in retrospect napoli had a better than expected year and obviously has more value now…but you can’t always predict the future
hardly a “horrific” trade
Yep, here they come…you keep finding deluded ways to explain why you traded a 900+ OPS guy for one of the least valuable positions in baseball and I’ll keep saying its one of the worst trades in recent memory, especially when he nailed it perfectly the first time in getting Napoli for Wells which is one of the best deals made.
That entire fiasco was like watching Rickey steal #939 and being stoked for him, but then having to listen to him say “I’m the greatest of all time” after. You did something right, then you did something ridiculously wrong after.
900 OPS??
he only had a 900+ Ops 1 out of 5 previous seasons.
He was always a masher who never got along with management, if he had a chance to play everyday he’d have excellent success, every man and his dog saw it coming…it should have been with the Jays.
“If he had a chance to play”.
Well he wasn’t going to get that in Toronto. Why can no one understand that?
Yup. We likely would have kept him had we not signed EE earlier though but it’s possible Napoli could have complained about not seeing playing time at catcher.
Yeah, Frankie is not a set up man. He can’t pitch big innings to save his life. He’d probably be better suited as a middle reliever.
middle reliever/chair thrower/total jerk
Nah..it was a horrific trade then and remains so now
Nah..it was a horrific trade then and remains so now
I’d like to see proof of that claim.
Besides, if you knew half of what you claim to know, then you’d know that Napoli would have NEVER had a starting role with the Jays with JPA here.
It was a bad trade in hindsight, but at the time made sense for both sides.
The Jays had a surplus of catchers, and they needed a back end guy for the ‘pen.
He was a genius for somehow getting rid of Vernon Wells.
But yeah…the Napoli trade was horrendous
Ah, so one trade defines a GM. Guess that means the lame haul Beane got for Bailey means he sucks too (in actuality he isn’t very good in any sense).
The trade was an awful one in hindsight, but at the time Napoli wouldn’t have had any playing time with the Jays, and Francisco filled a need.
Lame? Que? That has been my favorite deal of the offseason so far. Two of Boston’s top 25 prospects who are teenagers AND a 24 year old OF who can actually play every day? And no more Sweeney (who can’t play everyday)? That’s a terrific haul.
Ah another apologist. “Filled a need”. He could have pulled literally anyone from AAA to fill that need. And blocking Napoli with E5 and Lind? Yeah, genius level stuff there.
Beane’s made bad moves too though. My point is that AA is not the greatest GM of all time, despite what people think on this site.
Nobody says AA is the greatest gm of all time , maybe you just have a problem with fans believing in their GM considering he’s made predominantly smart moves , one mistake makes him a laughing stock? That just makes you ignorant or some kind of jealous hater. You praise Beane just like Jays fans praise AA , both have made relatively good deals more often then not, You think your GM is batting a 1.000 or something?
I don’t really praise Beane after every single move though. I don’t like the Cahill deal and thought the Gio one was just ok. Bailey is an oft-injured closer who’s hit his ceiling already, so I like that haul.
“You think your GM is batting a 1.000 or something?”
No I dont, but Jays fans on here sure think their guy does. That’s the whole point of my post.
Just because other fans think he’s a genius doesnt mean you have to state hes a joke for one bad trade… every team has homers. Since AA came here two years ago and brought excitement and hope considering how bad JP was , there’s bound to be a few extra AA worshipers until the team starts showing signs of regression.
I’m a big fan of AA so far and i’d be the first to admit the Napoli trade was bad.
Cool, if you thought it was bad then you arent who Im talking about. Carry on, youre not one of the delusional ones.
praise from Caesar.
I don’t think it was a bad trade…It just didn’t turn out right. You are one of the few people who had the foresight to see Napoli as an elite hitter. Closer examination of his past wOBA supports your view.
However, AA was only interested in getting the draft picks. He was most likely to accomplish this with Francisco. Which he did. On top of it, he signed Encarnarcion to a contract by committing plate appearances to him with the intent of turning him into a Type B. Which did not happen.
Now, he is looking for a strong wOBA to hit behind Bautista. Napoli would be a great fit. Not keeping Napoli most likely cost Jays a playoff spot this year. However, I can’t see how you are not impressed when you “net out” all of AA’s moves.
Just because other fans think he’s a genius doesnt mean you have to state hes a joke for one bad trade… every team has homers. Since AA came here two years ago and brought excitement and hope considering how bad JP was , there’s bound to be a few extra AA worshipers until the team starts showing signs of regression.
I’m a big fan of AA so far and i’d be the first to admit the Napoli trade was bad.
The A’s didn’t get two of the Red Sox Top 25 prospects. Not even close. They got a shorty 1b who can hit a little & a dude who has barely pitched along with that OF.
John Sickels (Minor League Ball) had Head at #21 and Alcantra at #23
Marc Hulet (Fangraphs) only did a top 15, but Head was #15.
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.
The A’s didn’t get two of the Red Sox Top 25 prospects. Not even close. They got a shorty 1b who can hit a little & a dude who has barely pitched along with that OF.
no one from the jays AAA pitches like frank francisco first of all. napoli was not blocked by EE and lind, the worry was that he would take AB’s away from jp arencibia who they wanted to get a good look at.
obviously the deal was a disaster in terms of player value, but napoli displayed a level of talent last year way above his previous levels. there was some thought that he had been suppressed in LA, but no one would have expected an MVP type season.
i’m sure AA would tell you he’d like to have that deal back, but in reality thats really the only blemish on his track record so far, and its dwarfed by the number of nice moves (wells, escobar, lawrie, rasmus, santos, halladay). now calling some of those moves “wins” would be premature, but they all have great potential and are currently looking good.
apart from his trades, theres also been the expansion of scouting and more money poured into latin america and the draft, which led to the farm system going from 20-something to top 5 in the league in just one year.
of course he’s not the greatest of all time, but unless you’re just trying to stir things up, did you really need to make a post for something that obvious?
and by the way, the bailey trade does seem underwhelming from oakland’s perspective.
You’re rationalizing a bad trade and still painting in strokes too big for your britches.
Lame? Que? That has been my favorite deal of the offseason so far. Two of Boston’s top 25 prospects who are teenagers AND a 24 year old OF who can actually play every day? And no more Sweeney (who can’t play everyday)? That’s a terrific haul.
Ah another apologist. “Filled a need”. He could have pulled literally anyone from AAA to fill that need. And blocking Napoli with E5 and Lind? Yeah, genius level stuff there.
Beane’s made bad moves too though. My point is that AA is not the greatest GM of all time, despite what people think on this site.
Sure the Napoli trade was awful, but he makes up for that trade, with the Bautista signing, the Yunel Escobar trade, the Rasmus trade, the Vernon Wells trade, and so on,( I also like the Brandon Morrow trade, some people don’t, but I do) everyone makes mistake, and im sure he will admit his mistake one day.
You forgot about unloading Rios’s contract to the CWS, which I might add, made AA look like a pure genius!!!
A lot of Jays fans criticised the Napoli-for-Francisco trade at the time.
You wanna tell that to the posters who just tried rationalizing it?
Every fanbase has its overzealous members.
This is the best answer so far. I am appeased and will shut up now.
Good Idea!! best I’ve heard from you!!
Excellent, now we don’t have to hear from an overzealous A’s fan.
Every fanbase has its overzealous members.
Personally, I hated it at the time too. The trade did make sense, but we gave up a tonne of value for a lesser-valued need. Always thought Anthopoulos could have gotten a prospect along with Francisco, but whatcha gonna do.
Not sure why we have to answer to this tool box anyways
he’s the one who said jays need to give up d’arnaud, gose, marisnick and mcguire for gio.
I think even lawrie too. He’s complaining about homer jay fans, while being a homer A fan.
He’s complaining about homer jay fans, while being a homer A fan.
Haha yeah. Probably why he thinks he spots them.
I’m an A’s fan, not a homer. My team has been miserable for a long time and I’m not happy about it. A homer would be happy and think things are going fine no matter what. Beane said he wanted 4 top prospects for Gio, and the Jays were asking about him, so thats the package I assumed he’d ask for.
Dissing trade proposals is also really dumb. Wishcasting and playing armchair GM isn’t illegal either, in fact its what this site is all about.
Resorting to petty insults now? You really do set the bar lower with every post you make. Grow up.
says the guy who attacks an entire fan base..
I call a spade a spade. if you can’t stand the heat don’t invite the contact.
I think the reality was a little murkier. In terms of actions, there’s nothing to suggest that AA has a lot of money to work with. From this perspective, the Napoli trade made perfect sense – offload a chunky salary for both a need and a draft pick.
But I suspect that if AA truly had an elastic payroll then he would have kept Napoli. He’d have been a good candidate to mash at Rogers and then be traded. The Blue Jays hurt themselves in the past (from a PR perspective) with their refusal to admit they’re on a limited payroll.
everyone’s allowed a mulligan or two. I don’t think any jays fans would consider that a good deal, it was a bad one, but it is what it is..
but when you trade League & a prospect for Morrow, sign a 34 year old SS on a 1 + 1 deal and then flip him and prospect for yunel escobar, when you trade vernon wells contract and actually get back a valuable piece, and when you trade a back end starter and 2 bullpen pieces to get Rasmus.
Ya, you’re allowed to eff up, no one bats 1.000.
He’s by no means a genius, or a prodigy, but he’s done well to accumulate a lot of high ceiling talent on this team. One bad trade doesn’t mean as much, and he’s in no way a ‘laughing stock’
Nope, Who would have thought that Napoli would blowup as he did? Toronto needed a closer and Frank Francisco was good at the time, a solid Closer/Setup man for a catcher who can’t hit for average, but has decent power, was a good 50/50 deal. Also they had no space for Napoli behind the plate and they didn’t see him worthy as a DH instead of E5…. maybe that’s why? They acquired him only to flip him, the Rangers wanted a guy like Napoli and were willing to give up Frank Fransisco, so AA traded Vernon for him and Juan Rivera, and then got Fransisco…
one questionable deal doesnt tarnish him, look at the big picture of what hes done in his 2 years before you shoot down AA.
So, did you even read my post? I think AA is a fine GM, but he’s not totally superior to anyone else like posters on here think he is.
You have zero credibility on here to bash Jays fans for having faith in their GM and for having hope after 18 years of mediocracy that we’re getting closer to contend.
I don’t think anyone looking back thinks the Napoli trade was good but to say he was the laughing stock is plain retarded thinking. Nobody saw Napoli hitting 30hrs let alone 40.
I saw the reasoning when he traded for Francisco out of a neccessity for back end RP but I wasn’t happy either because I saw Napoli’s bat potential.
But obviously with Napoli/Lind/EE one had to go and Napoli was the only one with value to get a much needed arm like Francisco.
As bad as he did the first half he evened out the second half. However, I am glad he’s moved on.
AA has made alot of decent to unbelievably awesome deals since his start as GM in Toronto. He’s allowed to make mistakes, and it wasn’t that big.
You could not possibly miss my point more.
Do you even have a clue what your point is??????
There is a difference between losing a trade and making a bad trade. You clearly do not understand the difference………….
Let me elaborate for awhile…………….Because you enjoy trolling and being an online hater, I’m taking my late night angst out on you:
The Napoli trade ended up as a loss for Toronto and a win for Texas, but it was not a bad trade as it addressed needs for both teams based on given information at the time. Yes TOR should have potentially received more for a 60 IP/yr RP, but splitting hairs still doesn’t make a lost trade a bad trade.
In a comment below you seem to have a problem with TOR “filling a need” this way, but you propose no alternative which could have stepped up from a pretty terrible Las Vegas AAA pitching staff last year. This year Toronto will rely on its 40 man roster depth to compete for back end bullpen spots, but this was not the case last year as Riccardi left the upper minors in shambles. Syracuse wouldn’t even resign with TOR as its AAA affiliate, for this exact reason.
Also in a comment below you think Lind or E5 should have made way for Napoli. At the price level given the information available last year, why wouldn’t TOR try to shed Napoli’s contract for a draft pick, while addressing its needs in the bullpen? I’m sure TEX has no problem paying whatever arb salaries head Napoli’s way this year, but giving E5 and Lind an opportunity at more team friendly contracts is a completely viable strategy, and does not contribute to the Napoli trade being a “bad” trade. There was no reason to believe this time last year that E5 or Lind couldn’t have easily bested Napoli’s season.
Clearly you also do not understand the dynamics of LAA or TOR to even make the statements you are making on these boards, which are the only reasons he was freed up for TEX to even give him so many at bats in the first place. Someone else already mentioned JP Arencibia needing playing time before D’arnaud steps up, but hey, why not mention it again here.
Also, don’t pretend to be a paid scout and assume that you and everyone else knew he was going to break out upon leaving LAA, much like you did in a comment below.Your point that AA is not the best GM of all time is totally justified, and many homer Jays need to relax on this note. Fact of the matter remains though, he has shaken things up to the point where many journalists have dubbed the new CBA the “Piss off AA CBA” (paraphrasing, of course).
Much like Beane, there are few situations where AA’s moves can’t be justified. You will struggle to win logical arguments against AA, hence why you have taken to being the online MLBTR dark knight against him. Because he is so logical, this is one of the many reasons he is so revered.
Because AA has completely reshaped the organization, there are many bandwagon fans jumping on the situation, many of which don’t know what they are talking about – we can agree on this point. I have seen the number of commenters regarding Jays fans multiply in storms on MLBTR over the last couple years as a result of this. Don’t be upset that there isn’t a large Oakland A’s bandwagon because there is no excitement around the team (or city even???).
My email is pretty easy to find based on my username, so feel free to comment here or email directly if you want to argue further. You are clearly knowledgable about the sport, but your energy would be much better spent being positive. While I’m not telling you to stop arguing about the positives and negatives of the game, please stop attacking an entire fan base because it is building serious momentum.
when you call Francisco a middle reliever you kind lose any credibility (even if you are right)
All GMs eventually mess up a trade at some point. Jon Daniels, when appearing at a public function right after the Cliff Lee deal received a standing ovation. He promptly reminded the crowd that he is still the same guy who dealt away Adrian Gonzales. They don’t all work out.
Great Move for the Jays. Love Fraser and so happy to have him back.
Welcome back Jason!
First good deal for Kenny this offseason. I wonder if they picked up Frasor’s option to get something for him? He surely wasn’t going to be a late inning guy for the Sox.
Now let’s see what we can squeeze from the Yankees for Matt Thornton.
3 early 20’s pitchers 2 of which who profile as starters for 2 bull pen guys one of which already has been replaced (reed) solid
Move for both teams
lol?
oh no
Solid deal for both teams. Jays trade away 2 prospects that they won’t miss in a deeeeep farm system, and the White Sox trade away an over-paid reliever that they could have very easily just declined the option on in October. Instead of letting him walk, they managed to get 2 pitching prospects back for him. Very good deal.
There’s not even a White Sox picture for him.
with Frasor’s $3.75 salary, that should push opening day ML payroll to $72.5’ish after arbitrations, or two million’ish above 2011. Will be interesting how they price Morrow. On the plus side, he’s a young power arm, or, did we see a ceiling last season?
237 comments on a Jason Frasor transaction! Jays fans are dieing for something big to happen…
Pretty good photoshop job on that picture. It can’t be easy turning a white sox jersey into a jays jersey.