The Rockies contacted the Braves to express interest in righty Jair Jurrjens, tweets MLB.com's Thomas Harding. With today's Huston Street trade, the Rockies freed up the better part of $8MM to pursue a starting pitcher. MLBTR projects Jurrjens to earn $5.1MM in 2012; the 25-year-old is under team control through 2013 as an arbitration eligible player. Eight to ten teams have shown real interest in Jurrjens this winter, reported Danny Knobler of CBS Sports last night.
The Rockies' unloading of Street is also expected to kickstart their pursuit of free agent reliever Brad Lidge, a Denver-area native, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
Okay Rockies you like both Prado and JJ……I would agree on a 5 for 2 deal, and Seth Smith and Tim Wheeler have to be included
Good God. What is you peoples’ infatuation with Seth Smith? He had a great 2011 season, but sucks every other season. Prado has bad 2011 season and rocks every other season. You are highly undervaluing both of them if you think Seth Smith is the best person you can get.
These are the only people talking Smith. He’s gotten interest from other teams (SEA), and they’d be selling low on him if they traded him to ATL unless his involvement meant they didn’t need to trade someone like Arenado/Fowler.
If Smith is still the only thing the Rockies can offer up to the Braves with lower tier prospects included, Wren needs to hang up the phone for good and quit wasting his time with O’Dowd and start looking somewhere else.
I don’t get the Seth Smith stuff. I wouldn’t do it..but hell who knows with Atlanta.
If we get Arenado I could totally see Seth Smith being the Melky of this trade and I’d be pretty happy with it…
I HOPE YOU ALL DONT THINK WREN IS STUPID ENOUGH TO TRADE THOSE TWO STUDS FOR JUST SMITH AND WHEELER
JURRJENS AND PRADO WILL NOT BE TRADED FOR LESS THAN A ROY OSWALT OR BJ/JUSTIN UPTON TYPE PITCHER/POSITION PLAYER
what i think is funny here, is that A. you think those two players would land justin upton, and B. the pitching comparible you used is an aging slightly above average pitcher who didnt throw 140 innings last year…and just for the record, caps doesnt do anything for your message, all it does is make you look like your a whiney little 6 year old
Now we can talk Seth Smith and a lower prospect
LOL!
Breaves and Rockies fans thoughts on a Prado and Jurrjens for SSmith Blackmon Wheeler and IStewart deal?
Pass on Stewart.
I love Blackmon, but he’s a LH (not the worst thing). COL has said no on Fowler (fine) and the same on Arenado. Stewart, really, wouldn’t carry much weight, if traded. Neither would Seth Smith. They’d get more value on Smith if he were traded in a separate deal.
I would HOPE the Rockies would take deal in a heartbeat. As long as you meant Blackmon or Wheeler. Throw one of the Matts from the bullpen in there as well if necessary.
I was sayn both. The way I look at it Stewart can b/u Chipper and Smith can platoon w/ Diaz but Prado and Jurrjens would probably warrant a lil more than just blackmon or wheeler IMO but again thats my opinion.
Prado and JJ are 2 All-Stars (2010, 2011) who are affordable and Prado can play multiple positions. We don’t need all those LH bats. All in all, Arenado/Fowler are exactly what we’re looking for, but COL isn’t looking at parting with either. Moving on…
I ask for Nolan A., Fowler, or (Wheeler + Smith). If they say no I say no thanks and make them think about to for a few days and not answer their calls. I am evil.
They wouldn’t be calling back in the first place.
What could the braves want for Jurrjens plus Prado that the rockies have??? Tulo of course, but they’d never do that. Did Gonzalez just get a no-trade clause? Hmmm…
keep dreaming
No to Smith. How about Prado/Jurrjens for Fowler/Wheeler/Young Jr./Lindstrom.
Please no.
This will cost the Rockies their least valuable player, but hold on Wren has Cashman on the other line and just asked for Montero, Banuelos, Nunez and he’s pulling to get Swisher added to that deal. Just saying…
Arenado or bust.
Bust…
Agreed. If they don’t want to trade him (I wouldn’t blame them) then look elsewhere.
Smith, Arenado and Wheeler for JJ and Prado
Sorry, but they both wouldn’t be going in that deal. That deal might net JJ OR Prado and a lower prospect but it wouldn’t get them both.
Yes it would. In a second. Arenado is a top 20 overall spec. And Wheeler is Top 50.
If we were clamoring to get rid of them both, yeah. I could see it. But we don’t need to get rid of either one. So, no. Wren will hold out for something to sweeten the deal even more.
If Arenado is put in the deal, it gets done. It’s that simple.
Of course it won’t happen.
sure thing, champ. Can you let the other GMs know you’ve already approved that one?
Wheeler’s park factors are INSANE (for the hitter). Let’s see him do something in a higher level first. JJ + Venters for Arenado + T. Story + Seth Smith
Why would the braves want to trade away one of the pieces to the best bullpen in baseball (not to mention, he is under control for like, 3-5 years longer)?
Call me crazy, but I’d ask inquire about Tulo. It would be costly and there’s no way they’d trade him, but it wouldn’t hurt to ask.
This would solve our shortstop and power needs though.
I feel like even bringing up his name would sufficiently piss them off.
Crazy…
Wait huh? Are we in a Kershaw/Hernandez thread. I thought it said Jair Jurrjens above. I’ll go back and re-read it.
Nope, this is a Jair Jurrjens thread. Weird. What’s going on here today.
Unless you and 20,000 of your closest friends purchase season tickets for the next 8 seasons, we won’t have the money to take on Tulo’s contract.
It doesn’t hurt to ask, but there’s a reason COL gave him that deal – difficult to find clean-up SS hitters.
Keep dreaming…wow.
Chance of Getting Fowler or Arrenado = ZERO Don’t even think about it
Chances of getting JJ or Prado = zero
Chance of getting JJ or Prado without giving up either Fowler or Arenado = O
So why is Prado and his .302 OBP so untouchable? Just curious.
Because you’re nuts if you think a he’s a .302 OBP guy.
I’m not gonna waste time talking him up, but when he posted an OBP of over .350 the past 3 seasons (1400 at-bats) and then he suddenly posts a lower one while going through injuries that include a staph infection (along with a BABIP nearly 75 points lower than his career average), I think we all know that that’s an outlier and not really indicative of what we should expect in the future.
Might want to do your research on Prado a bit further back than his injured 2011 season.
He posted these numbers in Turner Field also, which isn’t the most hitter friendly park. Just think of what he can do in a full season at Coor’s.
Doesn’t Tulo have a no trade
We don’t need Tulo. We have 2 up and coming shortstops that we would rather see.
“We don’t need Tulo.” Wow…. never thought I”d hear anybody say that. But if you really think so, the Braves would be happy to relieve you of that burden.
Pretty sure I am a Braves fan :-p…wearing a Braves shirt in the Avatar and all
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Doh.
I’d like to believe that you’d rather see two unproven shortstops over Tulo…I really would…
For the years and money involved, yep. Sure would. Here is Tulo’s contract:
Signed thru 2020, 7 yrs/$45M (08-14), 6 yrs/$118M (15-20) & 21 team option.
Pretty sure that is WAY too much to commit to one player. Look at how fans complain about Chipper’s contract hamstringing us. No thanks. He can stay a Rockie. I’d rather have our own possible Tulo for league minimum.
Key word being “possible”…and even if one of those prospects pans out, do you think it will only take league minimum to keep them in Atlanta? You already know what you have in Tulo…how many SS do you see putting up the numbers Tulo is and has been putting up? Add that to elite defense at a premium position…whether you think that contract is too much or not, I find it borderline absurd that someone would say they wouldn’t want a player of Tulo’s caliber on their team…
everyone “wants a player of Tulo’s caliber on their team” just not with the money that is attached
ball, is he not worth it right now? I’m pretty sure I’m with you guys on the contract thing; I love Tulo but there was no reason to extend him when he was under contract for four more years…I pretty sure I understand the Rockies’ logic though…he’s should be the cornerstone of that franchise for a while…and talents like that are few and far between…now, if he were 32 and they gave him that extension I would have flipped…I’m looking at you, Pujols…;)
im with you on pujols, kind of glad to see Marlins dishing out these long term deals, or potential ones anyways. As for Tulo, no one would see he is not worth it…right now
100% agree with you on Pujols. That’s just about as greedy as you can get. No man should command more than 200 mil for playing a game.
If he hit open market he would make $25 mil a season because he plays a premium position.
Tulo is a great player. Don’t let my demeanor confuse you. The guy is epic in his position. But for almost 20 million a year, it’s just not something smart to commit to. Especially with him going to be 36-37 at the end of his contract earning that mess. We already have 1 40 year old eating up 15 mil. I would rather see Pastornicky and/or Simmons and keep them at league minimum for 5 years before committing 20 million to 1 player and pay for what he’s done in the past rather than what he may do in the future. Plus, a lot changes in 5 years. We may have new ownership, higher payroll, etc. Signing an elite SS won’t be hard then. Especially not if they’re home grown.
No, I pretty sure I know where you are coming from, Matt…I think we both agree that the contract is risky…that’s why I mentioned the absurdity that is the Pujols thing right now…not comparing Tulo and him, just saying that it’s how those contract situations tend to work out now…obscene amounts of money are thrown around until someone says “uncle”…it’s nuts…
Believe me. If the average working man could even dream to make 5% of the contracts in baseball, poverty would be over. This kind of money to play a game while others go out and work hard is absurd.
Except your team doesn’t have a “possible Tulo”.
I am glad you are able to read the future. Please, let me know next weeks lotto numbers. Thanks!
Listen listen, I’m a Braves fan and we have no Tulo caliber SS in our wings. Unless your talking about Salcedo and he has officially been moved to 3B. Pastornicky and Simmons are more average and glove guys not 30/30 threats.
With that being said no one seriously thinks Wren would even ask for Tulo anyways. It’s just a few uneducated fans having wet dreams.
Have you even been to any of the games played with Pastornicky? I live right next to the stadium and watched every AAA game last season. I think it’s quite premature to say whether they will or will not be 30/30 threats.
I think it’s moronic to suggest that either player hit 30 HRs in the first place…neither has hit 10 in a season in the minors.
-C
I think it’s moronic to assume that such a small sample size should be judged immediately. But what do I know, right? Logic definitely doesn’t have any play in this game when it comes to big names.
i think you just like to argue as much as you can with the braves and rockies fans. pastornicky and simmons aren’t going to hit 30 bombs a year. they just aren’t. deal with it.
C’mon man. I’m also a Braves fan and don’t play down Tulo. There’s more Halladay-type players on the market than there are Tulo (hits for power, plays SS above-avg, steals some bases). He’s what A-Rod would have looked like if he stayed at SS and didn’t take PEDs. Give props to the guy.
Yes, I know ATL has a couple of guys with some upside, but I’m not ready to think that any are capable of Tulo’s upside…or else they’d be sniffing the starting SS spot – ready or not – and we wouldn’t be talking about Nick Punto, Josh Wilson, or Drew Sutton.
Actually, we aren’t talking about those guys. Not anymore. Pastornicky has been announced as our unofficial SS for ’12. Now we are looking for a backup veteran to cover us in case he ends up not being ready. If you read below, I give Tulo all his props.
Again, counting out our top prospect shortstops before they even get started is retarded. What happened to the Braves fans of the 90s? There used to be so much positivity. Now it’s mostly “Oh God, everyone else has a better team than us! I want all their pieces!”
As a Braves fan, please pipe down.
-C
As a Braves fan, I will not pipe down. I love my team and don’t want to see it handcuffed like the Cards are about to be. Paying players bookoo amounts of money is not how the game is won.
that’s pretty silly. I’m assuming you mean Cristhian Adames and Trevor Story. Adames was in A Ball. Story in Rookie Ball. And you want them up in the Show to replace Tulo? Chris Nelson was the 2B in Colorado Springs, but he’s pretty much a Utility guy in the Majors.
With the potential injuries of Hudson and Hanson, the Braves should not trade Jurrjens! Don’t think that Prado should be traded either. The Braves would not only have to find another outfielder, they would have to find someone to fill in at 3rd base when Chipper is out.
I like how you mention “injuries” and Hanson and Hudson in the same sentence, but didn’t mention Jurrjens.
Hudson is a stud and only Mark Bowman is reporting there’s any question he’ll be ready by spring training. Even so, we have the arms to fill in.
Even Hudson, himself, has said he will be there in time for spring training. It’s a 6 week recovery for the surgery he had. I am pretty sure spring training doesn’t start in 6 weeks.
Hanson is the only one we should really be worried about. And even then, it’s not that worrisome when you have aces sitting in the minors ready to come up.
We’re arguing the same point.
Oh I know. I was pretty much backing up your statement.
Agreed. I don’t see a big upgrade here. Let Jurrjens go another 200 innings with a 2.50 ERA then address him next off-season.
Kinda sad point there. Braves have the pitching, but if they wait to trade mid-season, they wont want to trade him if he is doing well. Another year of back-loading and watch his stock go up, or trade him now. We have to see the offers first.
Hinske or Conrad 3b.
Nelson-SS/Rogers-SP/Fowler and so on?
Laird in Yankee Deal.
Wren please stay away from the Rockies. They don’t match up in a trade.
One word two syllables. Car go
10 digits: $80,000,000 through 1 year: 2017.
That’s a cost effective contract for a star and they’re not moving him.
I would think Arenado is untouchable…
Unless he can pitch, he shouldn’t be. 2 $100M position players and Jhoulys Chacin, Jason Hammel, Esmil Rogers, Drew Pomeranz, and Alex White as your projected rotation? Do you see any problems with that unless you’re the Royals or Indians?
Jurrjens will bring back either Wheeler/Blackmon/Fowler and Arenado or Frank Wren says, “check please”…’cause he has the leverage. As soon as Buherle and Wilson are off the market the return for Jurrjens increases because the supply has lessened. Don’t think the Rockies are going to outbid the Yankees or Phillies for Gio Gonzalez of the A’s either if you don’t give up them top prospects. Even then I think the Yanks & Phills have more to send (willingness to, mind you) to acquire Gio’s services than Colorado.
PHI doesn’t have the prospects – which OAK only wants – to get Gio. They just don’t. Trading for Halladay, Lee, and Oswalt has very few downsides…and you’ve just found it: their farm system, aside from a few, is drained.
PHI doesn’t have the prospects – which OAK only wants – to get Gio. They just don’t. Trading for Halladay, Lee, and Oswalt has very few downsides…and you’ve just found it: their farm system, aside from a few, is drained.
It’s unbelievable how much most Braves fans overvalue their players. Tulo or Cargo? Are you guys serious? Wren couldn’t even finish pronouncing Tulowitzki before O’Dowd would hang the phone up.
It’s just not a good match up. Seth Smith blows. Tulo is definitely out of reach. I think they’d both hang up.
i agree with you on tulo not being traded this offseason. But how many years do think it will be before you are wishing someone would call about him?
Never, I hope he’s a Rockie for life. The dude hasn’t even hit his prime and he’s putting up better numbers at SS better than anyone and it’s a maginal gap. I know he will decrease towards the end of that contract but they can and I’m sure will do what they are doing with Helton and spreading the last few remaining years over a 10 yr period on a minimal yearly pay with small interest.
Hard to say…I’m a Rockies fan and I’m saying that it’s hard to expect or believe that he’ll (Tulo) maintain this level of play for the life of the contract…a switch to 3rd base will more than likely happen at some point…like I said, most contracts are risky at minimum…back to the whole Jurrjens/Prado for Smith/etc. thing…I’m not entirely sure how they match up either, but it’s going to take a lot more than Smith and one of Wheeler/Blackmon for that to work out…and I’m skeptical about Jurrjens, and that’s putting it mildly…I do though like Prado quite a bit…last year aside…
Do you actually believe they’re being serious?
S. Smith, A. White, T. Wheeler, and another position prospect not named Arenado or Parker for Jurrjens and Prado?
I don’t really see the point of dealing here. As far as I’m concerned, Smith is slightly better hitter than Prado if they’re both playing leftfield (.833 OPS to .775 career), but he’s lefty who plays half his games at coors, and prado is righty who is something of a fan favorite, clubhouse leader type. In fact, I don’t really think dealing prado is a good idea given his versatility and ability to fill in for Chipper.
Jurrjens on the other hand I think is good to deal if he can bring in an OF who can provide at least an .840 OPS next season. Even with the injuries to hanson, hudson, and jurrjens, there is a ton of depth in the rotation; even during our september collapse we were getting decent pitching from the rookies. I would wait to deal jurrjens to another team. If it were up to me I would sign Thornton and try and deal Jurrjens and O’Flaherty to the yanks for Gardner..
When talking about Smith, you also need to account for the fact that he faces righties almost exclusively because he’s terrible against southpaws.
This is about half true. He was pretty good against LHP in the minors, but has never really been given the chance at the MLB level. It’s possible he can’t hit lefties, but we won’t know for sure until his manager isn’t Jim Tracy.
-C
I guess that’s fair. 200 at-bats isn’t a huge sample size but when coupled with the facts that he’s sucked in those 200 at-bats and they’re intentionally trying to avoid those situations, it’s safer to lean towards “he can’t hit lefties” than it is to assume he’ll maybe be decent at it someday. Can’t be 100% certain about it though.
The Braves aren’t getting Cargo or Tulo clearly but I’m become more and more hesitant to see them get a deal done unless Fowler or Arenado are involved. It’s really the only way this makes sense for the Braves seeing the quality they are giving up and Fowler’s Georgia home as factors. Another interesting idea would be if they offered to swap Pomeranz for Delgado or Minor, would definitely get them closer to a deal with Wren’s love for pitchers.
Hopefully they will give in as the season approaches.
What is the reason behind the Pomeranz for Delgado/Minor deal? What sense does that make. Pomeranz and Minor are both 1st rd picks and both are lefty, but why would be care about giving up either of our pitchers for Pomeranz. To me, Pomeranz is an upgrade to Minor and a downgrade to Delgado, but I really don’t see enough of a reason to do this to justify it.
Exactly that, we would upgrade over Minor. I’d personally rather have Pomeranz than Delgado but I suppose that’s an opinion. Swapping Minor for Pomeranz would be basically taking our possible #3 starter and getting a future ace in return. That would catch me eye if I was Wren and lower the bargaining price.