3:02pm: Rival executives say the Nationals have the best chance at obtaining Gonzalez and some believe Danny Espinosa or Ian Desmond could be in play, according to Heyman.
2:44pm: The Red Sox are trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal," tweets Rosenthal. The Rays are also in on Bailey and the Nationals are the team to beat on Gonzalez, Rosenthal reports.
2:20pm: The Red Sox are still discussing both Andrew Bailey and Gonzalez with the Athletics, tweets Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. The Red Sox "obviously won't get both," Cafardo writes.
2:14pm: It looks like the Nationals and Red Sox are the finalists for Gonzalez, tweets Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. Peter Gammons of MLB Network tweets that the Red Sox or Nationals will likely acquire Gonzalez today. Both Heyman and Gammons suggest the Nationals are the favorites to obtain the left-hander.
1:10pm: The A's are moving closer to a Gio Gonzalez trade, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (all links go to Twitter). The bidding is down to two teams, one of which is the Nationals. The Marlins and Red Sox may also be involved, but the Rangers are not. The Yankees and A's never built momentum toward a deal involving Gonzalez, Olney reports. The Mariners had discussed Gonzalez and it's not clear if they're involved in the current trade talks.
The Nationals are believed to be willing to include multiple top prospects for Gonzalez, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. Prospects such as Brad Peacock, Destin Hood, Eury Perez and A.J. Cole could be available to the Athletics. Derek Norris is in the discussion, Olney writes.
Gonzalez is under team control through 2015 and has reached the 200-inning plateau in each of the past two seasons without posting an ERA above 3.23. However, no MLB pitcher has walked more opponents in the past two seasons than Gonzalez and he's about to get expensive through arbitration (projected 2012 salary of $4.2MM).
There is going to be a deal done today
What do you think they’ll get?
hopefully some good young position players
if they get a package including cole, norris, and peacock, you should be thrilled
peacock yes but norris he hit .210 last year
he had a boatload of walks though, plus AA is notoriously hard league to hit in, also might be a BABIP apparition.
we got stassi in the minors though too
max stassi is derek norris’ little sister
If you can get Norris in a package with Peacock and Cole and maybe Hood, you do that. Stassi needs to prove he’s past shoulder issues, Norris definitely on faster track.
He’s far from the majors and really not that good. Look at those K rates.
and still had an OBP of .367 and a .237 ISO as a catcher in AA
if his BABIP had been even .280 instead of .250 his line would have been .250/.397/.476 with 20 HRs and 13 SBs
ahhh a .250 BABIP. That definitely isnt a true .210 BA. Clears it up. AA is really hard league to hit in too.
norris has a walk-rate of 20% through high-A and AA. he makes kevin youkilis look impatient
i guarantee you beane is all over him
Agreed.
That’s insane
Even if he manages a low batting average throughout his major league career, he will be extremely productive with that combination of power + walks of his. I don’t know about his defense but he throws out a high percentage of runners.
Maybe he could be like Carlos Santana.
EDIT: I wouldn’t trade him if I were the Nationals even with Ramos there. I think they will regret it.
i’d be happy with hood perez peacock and cole
Nationals fans wouldn’t be happy with that deal
some baseball players.
overpay
You had me at some
For the love of god someone take out Cherrington now, before he includes Wally in the package too
Wait!!! I don’t see any mention of Mystery Team!
nats, calling it
I still believe Gaby Sanchez, Matt Dominguez, and either Alex Sanabia/Brad Hand should get this trade done.
Good luck with that.
What’s the issue with that?
Gaby is an all star and +glove and average to above average bat with 4 years of team control and no arb for 2 years.
Dominguez is minimally gold glove defense, a mid 200 hitter, and cheap for many more years and under team control.
Hand and Sanabia have proven to be able to pitch at the big league level, are young, and also are cheap for years to come.
Oh wait, you want Stanton for Gio…
Sure, they’re all cheap, but none of those guys are anything special.
Gio’s not worth a crazy package, but definitely something better than that.
What would get the trade done from the Marlins then IYO?
I don’t know enough about the Marlins system, but a first baseman who would probably put up a .750 OPS in Oakland, a guy who won’t hit enough to be a starting third baseman, and a back of the rotation starter isn’t going to do it.
Oakland wanted a third baseman and outfield help. Dominguez is a really good piece.
I would love Dominguez if it was 2008, but 2009 and 2010 weren’t so great for him and the injuries and horrible performance in 2011 killed his stock.
he just can’t hit at all. great glove, but i think oaktown has had enough of that crap
Proven to pitch in the NL East isn’t really proven to pitch.
Regardless of the division, 14 (Sanabia) and 12 (Hand) starts isn’t really proven.
Hey did you ever actually see the “Stanton for Gio” rumor? Its entirely unfounded. Until Billy confirms it, it was all a bunch of BS.
Sampson confirmed it on a local radio show in miami
For Washington you mean? Get a deal done for Washington.
If you want to be overpaid for Gio, yes Washington is your best suitor.
… and that’s what Oakland wants. Other than Gabby Sanchez none of those players you listed are that desirable of a return.
Yes they want Stanton, that makes sense. While i’m at it, let me take the opposite approach by offering Chris Volstad straight up for Gio.
They want Stanton for the king of walks
which is exactly why the nats will land him
why would anyone ever not want to be overpaid?
Look at Sandy, Sabean wanted Beltran really bad for a repeat and look what happened he way overpaid and the Mets got a BC prospect
Rizzo may overpay for him much like he did to sign Werth.Id get a good laugh if Bryce Harpers name comes up in the trade rumors.
Peacock,Norris,Rendon(may need him to get the deal done)
As a Marlins fan I would love this, but Gaby isn’t good enough to be the center piece. The Marlins would have to give up LoMo or Yelich to start with.
In Beanes case they would have to start with Stanton. Lo Mo I guess isnt good enough XD
i would actually take that over what washington is offering
and you would be sad in the future when peacock is a #2 and one of the outfielders you would get is a star.
Peacock had one great season and your calling him a #2 , Gorski had a great season for the Mets and we are not goin #2 . Peacock has decent stuff hes not going to overpower anyone in baseball.
The A’s aren’t going to be good for a while and have eighty bazillion mediocre 1B/LF/DH prospects. Why would they want Gaby, who’s only team controlled for a year longer than Gio himself?
Went to the whole series the A’s played against the Marlins last year. Gaby, like so many others, can’t hit there and would suddenly become a scrub. He was crushing the ball and it was petering out to only mid outfield.
i will fire you right now ben cherington i swear to god. stay away
I think it’s going to be the Nats, but who would Boston have to offer that they would want? Middlebrooks? Bogaerts?
are you trying to make me throw up
No that would be Cherington’s job.
If its Middlebrooks and Bogarets the A’s will be back and contending in less than 3 years.
I’m as high on them as the next guy, but no, those two wouldn’t make the A’s contenders unless everything else breaks right for them.
those two are pretty sure bets to be quality big leaguers at 3B/SS.
Maybe so, but the Athletics have a lot more problems than just 3B and SS. The first thing the A’s need to do is completely change their pitching philosophy, I can’t think of a team that relies on their ballpark (One they’re trying to get out of no less) like a crutch so heavily on pitching while completely ignoring it for batting. The huge disparity between their pitching’s numbers in Oakland versus on the road is staggering. The MLB average split was a home ERA of 3.82, road 4.07. The A’s pitching split was 3.18 home, 4.26 road, as a result the A’s were on of the MLB’s worst road teams.
In short, they focus too much on playing to the advantages of their park while ignoring their performance away from it. At home their record was actually decent, above .500 and close to playoff contenders like the Cardinals, Red Sox and Angels.
It seems like their development team is on a completely different page from their front office. Their front office preaches plate discipline and the value walks provide an offense, while their development side of things produces pitchers with awful control and can’t seem to teach their batters how to draw a walk to save their lives.
There is a lot to fix before the A’s are a competent team and it stretches much further than simply 3B/SS, they need to fix their entire development system.
I think the ERA splits have to do with how unbelievably terrible the defense was last year compared with how awesome it was in 2010. Willingham was so terrible in LF, and the entire INF was really bad too. The pitching is fine otherwise, just hurt all the time. Full years from Anderson & Braden and last year wouldnt have been as crummy.
I think the only mistake they made was in 2009 when they pulled a KW (too soon?) and tried to contend while rebuilding by trading for Holliday. Put Cargo in CF and then get prospects for Street and the A’s are in much better shape. They were a good team in 2010 that wasnt far off because they preached defense above all else, but they didnt hit any HR’s and they stupidly focussed on that for 2011 and it made things worse.
“I think the ERA splits have to do with how unbelievably terrible the defense was last year compared with how awesome it was in 2010”
That doesn’t make any sense. Was their defense good at home and then inept on the road? Moot point anyway, their split in 2010 was pretty much equally as bad, 3.04 versus 4.15. 2009 was 3.88 versus 4.71. They’re pretty much that way year in, year out.
Interesting. It is indeed pretty hard to score runs at the Coliseum.
Which hides the fact that the A’s aren’t as good as developing pitching as their numbers would indicate. On a related note, we’re glad to be rid of Curt Young. God, did I misread that move.
I’d still bet on the Rangers and Angels for several years to come
I know nothing about Bogarets, but yes plz to Middlebrooks.
Middlebrooks is thought of as the better prospect because he’s basically major league ready, but Bogaerts’ ceiling is 10x higher than Middlebrooks’. Bogaerts has Hanley potential (minus the stolen bases).
BA ranked Bogaerts as our second best prospect. He was signed as an IFA in 2009 and he was relatively off the radar previously, but he exploded for some big power for a SS last year. He’s honestly projected as a 3B down the line, though.
Yeah, the most optimistic projection for him staying at SS that I’ve ever read gave him a 35% chance to stick at SS.
Yeah, the most optimistic projection for him staying at SS that I’ve ever read gave him a 35% chance to stick at SS.
Lol what? I think Boston Red Sox fans are the absolute WORST at over-rating their average prospects.
which fans are the worst at identifying the teams other commenters are fans of
SSS, but judging by his activity log, looks like Blue Jays.
Used to be the Yankees and Mets, Yankees got actually good ones, and after the Johan trade, no one gave a crap about Mets prospects ever again.
SSS, but judging by his activity log, looks like Blue Jays.
which fans are the worst at identifying the teams other commenters are fans of
No way the A’s will be able to compete by acquiring those 2 guys…I’ll much rather get the players the Nats are offering if it’s true…Imagine a rotation in 2013 of Anderson,peacock,parker,cole and sonny….Oh boy this will be one of tue best rotations we’ve ever had…
Sonny is so sick and will probably be in the rotation on opening day next year. He did have the “most big league ready” tag in last years draft.
if the a’s want to keep him in the rotation, i think he might get a little more seasoning in AAA, maybe a few starts. He looks like he’ll be a beast though
if the a’s want to keep him in the rotation, i think he might get a little more seasoning in AAA, maybe a few starts. He looks like he’ll be a beast though
I wonder who Boston would pucker up for both Bailey and Gonzalez. Their Future is toast
Gonzalez has to be the most overrated trade target in a long time.
What about Ubaldo this past season?
Ubaldo definitely.
I think Gio’s being overrated more than Ubaldo (and I love Gio). Ubaldo was coming off a season that he started off 15-1 with a sub 2 ERA and a top 3 Cy Young finish. Gio hasn’t accomplished anything like that yet.
Ubaldo was wayyyy overrated Indians made a bad trade. But I think Gio is gonna be good in the next couple of years
perfect assessment
Or maybe it’s just people overrating unproven prospects?
Overrating unproven prospects is what got the Phillies the 2008 Championship. (Howard was almost traded for Barry Zito, Utley was rumored to be on the block).
You just have to overrate the right guys, I do agree though, there’s some serious overvaluing going on recently. Ever since Texas made it to the World Series, people have been afraid of getting ripped off like Atlanta did. (only in hindsight were they truly ripped off though).
Seems like it.
I can’t wait until the A’s are good again.
I’m thinking maybe 2023…
Once they move. It just needs to happen.
And the part about it actually happening is the part I’m worried about.
2015
remember when we used to say 2011?
Yep.
And Gio, Cahill and Anderson were going to be the new Big Three.
Which guys are going to be the Big Three for 2015?
Parker, Gray and …?
peacock if he goes to the nats…no idea if he goes to the red sox, and i’m still not sure who the rays would give for bailey…
Anderson unless he gets traded lolz 🙁
your too kind 2056
I’d love to see Boston do something. I’m not saying go overpay for a SP in a trade, but if it calls for it, and he’s the guy… do it.
i say overpay for the closer of that same team honestly
Closer = overrated
Never overpay for a closer
If Gio is coming along also, I wouldn’t mind them giving up better prospects. Gio/Bard fill the rest of the rotation and Bailey transitions into the closer with Melancon setting up, possibly with Jenks/Aceves. I only see them getting one if any, but we’ll see. This can play out in many different ways for Boston.
No Gio Gonzalez is not the guy…just sign Oswalt on a one year deal instead.
Okay, I respect your opinion, but I was referring to managements thoughts. So in a sense, it was rhetorical.
I’d say the other team in on Gio is Mystery Team, but how much pitching depth do they need?
What prospects do the Mystery Team have?
You would know better than me, you’re their GM
Samuelsonberg, Toutingson, Goop, Pragg, Daglan.
They’ve got some studs.
Those all sound like Martian names.
its probably Toronto they lost out on Darvish
After they trade Gio, they should change from the “A’s” to the “C-‘s”.
With the subtraction of both Cahill AND Gio Gonzalez? You might be grading them a bit too high…
Cahill and Gio are not aces. If Cahill and Gio were actual aces (and Anderson, who is a legit ace, could stay healthy), the A’s would be in a much better position right now.
Every A’s fan should know that high-BB pitchers thrive in Oaktown.
They really have no shot whatsoever for the next 2-3 years, as a fan, its sucked and been frustrating since 2007 and will suck more….sigh. Like life, baseball is so frustrating.
or something tss tss…………..
I hope that the Nats can settle on a package of something like Norris, Millone, Hood and maybe Rosenbaum/Perez. I really want the Nats to keep Cole and Peacock, but one or the other will probably have to go–especially if the A’s aren’t sold on Norris as the centerpiece of the deal.
This just seems like a move being made out of desperation. Rizzo would have been much better served overpaying for Buehrle than gutting their farm system of their top 4 prospects (Harper is more of an inevitable than a prospect) for Gio, the left-handed equivalent of Anibal Sanchez (Gio = 1 WAR Upgrade over Sanchez). Billy Beane clearly wins in this trade scenario.
The Nationals are by no means ‘gutting’ their farm system. Worst case scenario, the Nationals trade Peacock, Cole, Norris, and Hood.. Nationals still have Meyer, Purke, Solis, Ray, Detwiler, and Milone in the system to go along with a rotation headed by Strasburg, Gio, and Zimm.. Losing Hood would suck, but the Nationals still have some nice outfield prospects with Harper, Goodwin, and Taylor. I’m not exactly sold on Norris, and I honestly believe Ramos is the catcher of the future as long as he doesn’t get injured.
Nationals clearly win in this trade.
They cant trade their top 4 prospects and they cant gut their system with one deal.
Yeah I don’t understand the infatuation with Gonzalez. Sure he’s young and has some good stuff, but he walks everybody and their mother and his numbers definitely benefit from pitching in A’s Stadium all year long. I always cringed seeing Gio to Texas trade rumors, especially when they involved Perez, Profar and Olt. I’ve seen Gio pitch I Texas recently and it’s not too pretty.
Hood is going to be great. Hopefully the Nats are able to hang on to him. Norris/Peacock/Cole/Bardozzi
rotation of strasburg, gonzalez, zimmermann, wang, and lannan. batting order of
1. ian desmond
2. jayson werth
3. ryan zimmerman
4. prince fielder
5. michael morse
6. bryce harper
7. danny espinosa
8. wilson ramos
bench of mark derosa, mike cameron, chris marrero, and steve lombardozzi
bullpen: drew storen, tyler clippard, henry rodriguez, sean burnett, and ryan mattheus.
reallly seems like a team not to be f-ed with. do it rizzo
maybe switch the batting order around a bit, but whatever
that would be pretty legit if you guys got fielder
what i’m hoping for 😛
even with laroche instead of fielder it aint too shabby
That’s a damn good team.
As a Marlins fan i must say if this comes true there will be alot of competitive baseball in the NL east. (minus the mets, sorry guys)
Even without Prince, that team’s a wild card contender once the wild card expands.
I might switch a couple of guys around in the line-up so the LHers aren’t stacked together, but that’s very good team. And they also have Rendon, who shouldn’t be far away. It helped to have had the good fortune to really suck when once-in-a-generation-talents Strasburg and Harper came along, but the rest of the team looks really solid to me. NL East is looking really tough; Philly, the Braves, the Nats and Marlins all look to be pretty good.
Strasburg, Gio, Zimmerman, Wang, Lannan
1. Cespedes CF
2. Werth RF
3. Zimmerman 3B
4. Morse LF
5. LaRoche 1B
6. Ramos C
7. Espinosa 2B
8. Desmond SS
Bench: DeRosa, Cameron, Marrero, Lombardozzi, Dobbs
Closer: Storen
Set up: Clippard
MR: H-Rod, Burnett, Mattheus
LR: Detwiler, Stammen
Giving Ian Desmond 600-700 ABs a year is a bad idea.
Of the players that are in consideration – Hood and Cole are the guys I hope dont get moved. Peacock/Norris/Eury/Bardozzi.
YANKEES ARE REALLY SLEEPING THIS OFF SEASON
Gio in Yankee Stadium is a disaster in the making.
They won 97 games last year. While it’s obvious they need starting pitching, really they’re probably better off just using their kids mid season.
There isn’t a ton of areas they can improve on.
Only if its a three team deal or something. The A’s are asking a ton for GG and we can’t afford to make a trade like this. M’s don’t end need him really, just need a BOR starter.
None of the prospects that the Nationals offered are worth anything, pretty much most of them are crap players. Never going to happen!
You clearly know nothing about Cole, Peacock, Norris, or Hood
The Nats are foolish not to go after Crisp. They need a CF and leadoff guy. He would be much better than trading for a guy like BJ Upton. Rizzo falls in love with names at times. Gio would be a great addition, the Nationals 2011 draft ensured that no deal would drain the farm completely. The Nats system is loaded.
A leadoff guy with a .314 obp?
I would be extremely happy if the Nationals can land Gio, and even happier if Cole and Peacock aren’t traded.
Nata really making some moves this off season. Last season wasn’t Werth the crazy signing?
I still think KC is the other team. I think Cuthbert, Crow, Melville, with a toss in of a B and a C prospect gets it done.
I’m a Royals fan for full disclosure and I’m pretty sure that doesn’t fit what A’s want and it may not be enough
I’m not quite sure what Moore plans to do to improve the starting pitching if he’s not going to trade farm pieces. I’m not stating that they should be in on Gonzalez or not. I do know they were in on Ubaldo Jimenez as early as last May.
Not sure that reply was meant for me? I think they should be very willing to trade prospects for a front or mid rotation starter.
Sorry, man….it was a little vague. Yeah…Moore should be willing to trade for a starter. He just seems to be hesitant and overvalues his minor league talent. I’m seeing a Royals team that could actually compete this season if they could land a top end starter. I believe Ubaldo Jimenez would be a Royal right now if had not been for Cleveland’s run last summer.
Not sure that reply was meant for me? I think they should be very willing to trade prospects for a front or mid rotation starter.
While I’d love to see the Royals land Gio, that package isn’t going to get it done.
But they have Mike Cameron to play CF.
Detmier will be in the Starting Rotation this year and isn’t a Rookie anymore.
If the Marlins sign Fielder then Sanchez will be Traded if he’s not in RF with Stanton in CF and Emilo at 2B.
I like him, but whoever lands Gio is going to vastly overpay. For that reason, I hope the M’s are NOT involved. Don’t mortgage any of the future for a B+ level pitcher.
breaking news: the phillies have named wilson valdez their number one starter, citing that his career ERA is much lower than hallday, lee, or hamels. thus continuing the saga of the 4 aces
You forgot to mention that the Phillies also cited the fact that he has won in every appearance as a pitcher.
In that case, I suggest that people should be looking at Felipe Lopez as a reliever.
I hope the Nationals come to their senses on this. As an M’s fan I really don’t want to see the A’s loaded with young talent in exchange for a pitcher that walks everything in sight. If they give up the kind of package I’ve been reading, they’ll be regretting it as soon as 2013, I’ll bet. Unless they have a magic bullet for fixing Gio’s control, I wouldn’t give up a whole lot for him. Sign Oswalt to a cheap two year deal and you’ll spend the same amount for four arb years of Gio and give up no talent. Their FIP/xFIP numbers are similar.
I didn’t know that Gio and Oswalt were the same age, or that Gio was as injury prone
The Nationals farm system would still be Top 15 in baseball even if Cole and Peacock are traded
Between the Red Sox and Nationals, including Peacock and Cole could be the dealbreaker
Yeah, I just don’t see the Sox willing to give up what it takes to get Gonzalez, a guy who could be a huge question mark for them. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’ll do great in Washington. But some red flags and a lifetime of Boston sports fan paranoia says he won’t fare well in the AL East.
I’m surprised people aren’t mentioning that moving from the A.L. to the N.L. will help his stats as well.. He’d be a perfect fit in D.C.
if the red sox offer middlebrooks, lavarnway, reddick, bogaerts we’ll get em.
If the Red Sox offer that (and the As take it) I’mma freak out.
Reddick and Lavarnway wont be in the deal, replace them with whatever high ceiling guys Boston has at A or AA and then they get Gio.
Reddick and Lavarnway aren’t the problem with that deal. If Bogaerts is traded for Gio, it will be a mistake of epic proportions.
Personally I wouldn’t want to give up Lavarnway or Bogaerts in a trade for Gio.
i was mostly kidding early, but am starting to get a little nervous. don’t want gonzalez or bailey enough to justify losing any of those players frankly
Reddick and Lavarnway aren’t the problem with that deal. If Bogaerts is traded for Gio, it will be a mistake of epic proportions.
why would they not be in the deal i would love to have them both
Reddick maybe not, but I could definitely see Lavarnway being in it. Lavarnway has very good plate discipline and works the count very well (ie. is a very “Beane” type of guy), could be their everyday DH, and could occasionally spell Suzuki behind the plate. The only way I don’t see him being part of it is if they want guys who are still a year or so away from the majors (or if Boston says no way and manages to come up with something else the As like).
BAD.
As a Nats fan I dont mind either way, if we get em great and if we dont we will still have the prospects.
As a Nats fan, I say that the Sox can have Bailey and we can have Gonzalez. Totally cool with that.
LOUD NOISES CHERINGTON LOUUUUUD
Oh wow twitter is saying Boston is trying to get Bailey and Gio. Say goodbye to whatever farm you had left, Red Sox fans.
Read above, Cafardo says they won’t get both they’re just talking about both.
O I C
And I’m hoping the extend of the “discussions” is “so, how badly do you think the Nats are going to overpay you for Gio?”
Heh, yeah. I really don’t want either Gonzalez or Bailey. In my opinion both are going to cost more than they will benefit the Sox. I think there are better low-key trades out there.
Hey guess what? Rosenthal just said Boston is offering “monster deal” for both. So…that happened.
vomit everywhere
Hey guess what? Rosenthal just said Boston is offering “monster deal” for both. So…that happened.
Oh wow twitter is saying Boston is trying to get Bailey and Gio. Say goodbye to whatever farm you had left, Red Sox fans.
Watching this closely. Gio walks too many batters to justify trading a treasure trove of young talent for….moreover, Gio is going to start to get expensive now.
Rizzo, if you overpay you will cement in your increasing reputation for overpaying for talent in trades and salary–and no team will ever trade with the Nats until they can get an offer from them overpaying grossly. You need to think longer-term and more strategically–and less Rizz-diculously.
Don’t do it Ben, don’t do it.
Can people list teams that arent SF or Phily where Gio isnt at least the #2 SP in the rotation? He isn’t a #1 on a lot of teams, but he’s definitely a #2 on most teams. Therefore he is not overrated. Case closed.
He’s not a #2 in Boston.
I forgot Seattle too, so that makes 4 teams. Being a #1 or #2 on 26 teams means you are not overrated.
Except that’s not really how “overrated” works.
If he continues to put up those surface numbers like ERA in the low 3s, despite moving out of a very pitcher-friendly park and having troubling peripheral stats, then he will no longer be overrated.
But the problem is, people are concerned (and rightfully so) that he won’t continue to post those numbers.
Regardless of where he’d slot into a rotation, he’s overrated because his past ERAs have him looking like a #1-2 when looking closer his numbers could easily regress to a #3.
so many walk-strikeout-fly-out-walk-3-run-HR-by-one-of-like-seven-yankees…s
No, he wouldn’t be a #2 in Texas, he wouldn’t be a #2 in LAA, he wouldn’t be a #2 in Tampa or Milwaukee, he’s probably not the #2 in Detroit, Atlanta, or St Louis, and it’s debatable whether he’d be the #2 in Cleveland or Miami. That’s almost half the league and there are probably teams I’m missing.
Anyway, as Matthew said, that’s not really what people are talking about when they say he’s overrated.
You obviously haven’t read the Buchholz & Beckett trade rumours.
Tampa, Boston, Detroit, Anaheim.
fine choices too. but he’s not far away from Fister or Buccholz/Beckett, he has been improving so much as he gains experience.
Until he improves his BB rates people are going to continue to be very wary of him.
Beckett & Buchholz (who’s ridiculous fragile) have significantly better walk rates & pitch in a better offensive division with more hitter-friendly parks than Gonzalez does.
I’d also say that he wouldn’t be a #2 on the Cardinals or Texas. There’s probably a lot more teams as well.
trade for Gonzo and buy Madson
I don’t understand why teams are so crazy over Gonzalez. I understand he is young and cost effective but how does that walk rate not scare them away? Especially since the type of prospects being asked for him are top prospects. I really hope Boston stepped back on this one like it is reported.
If the Nats are willing to give 4 decent prospects for Gio, they should make their pitch to the M’s for Pineda. Same with Boston. Younger, more team control, way more upside. The M’s can’t trade Felix because they’d turn off their existing (dwindling) fan base, but Pineda is another story.
Dude, Pineda is not getting move.
Why not? It’s not like he’s untouchable. His tremendous value after 1 year is exactly why they should be considering trading him. For a team like the M’s who are more than one player away from competing, and who desire to retain their superstar/face of the franchise King Felix, trading Pineda would allow them to compete in ’12 or ’13. By then, they’ll have some of their young promising pitchers ready to compete at the major league level (Paxton, Walker, Hultzen). If they could make a trade to get their 3b and catcher of the future, they should pull the trigger on that deal.
Who do you think the Red Sox be most likely to part with in the trade that would interest the A’s?
OF – J. Reddick
INF – J. Lowrie
C – R. Lavarnway (prospect)
P – S. Fife (prospect)
Lowrie and Fife have both been traded.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Way to rain on his parade…hahaha.
Obsessed baseball fan hangs head in shame. I wonder if that has ever happened to a GM. Calls to make a proposed trade and other GM says nope can’t have them..what else you got. Counter offer made and then has to face the long pause before hearing the other GM go..uhhh those guys don’t belong to us anymore.
red sox already traded lowrie for melancon
you just found this site today, huh?
What is wrong with trading other teams’ players to get the player you want?
See now thats the angle I was going for. Revolutionize the whole system. GM calls the not involved team..hey FYI..I just traded your guy for someone I needed. haha
Yep…that approach has worked in hockey. Quebec Nordiques traded Eric Lindros to New York Rangers. Later in the day, they traded him again to Philadelphia Flyers.
Lowrie & Fife have already been traded away. & I read Lavarnway’s not going anywhere.
Ha sorry. I had a feeling I was going to throw up names that might be gone already. Ranger fan here so haven’t been following the Red Sox movements as closely. Total FAIL.
Who do you think the Red Sox be most likely to part with in the trade that would interest the A’s?
OF – J. Reddick
INF – J. Lowrie
C – R. Lavarnway (prospect)
P – S. Fife (prospect)
Am I really the only Redsox who really wants us to get him!?
No, but we also don’t have the brightest fanbase out there.
Haha oh I know, very very hard to read some comments on here sometimes without wanting to cry.
I get the feeling I’ve been misinterpreted here.
I think it’s because Zach said “am I the only Red Sox fan who wants us to get him (Gio)” and you started your post with “no,” implying that you also did.
For the sake of clarification:
No, he’s far from the only one who wants the Sox to get Gio Gonzalez.
I personally think the fact most Red Sox fans actually want to overpay for him reflects poorly on the intelligence of our fanbase.
DISCUSS!
Or it shows they don’t care about prospects, and seeing as a very low % prospects pan out, the risk of trading established talent for them is very high, so they are right.
Lots of prospects “pan out,” as long as you define panning out to be becoming average or above-average MLB regulars.
If your definition of “pan out” is become superstars, then you’re right.
There’s no hard and fast rule, and there’s significant risk on both sides when you trade a bunch of young players for one player. Especially one who might not be as good as advertised.
But at the prospect price they’re asking for? I mean, yes I would love to have Gio, but I’m not a fan of overpaying in prospect talent for him when there are other options.
I think you misread my point in context with everything else I’ve said on the matter. I think trading for Gonzalez would be a terrible move.
Whoops you are correct, I misread completely. 🙂
Am I really the only Redsox who really wants us to get him!?
Dear Frank Wren. Please do something.
Oh yay, another rumor about the Rays wanting someone awesome that wont happen. Can’t get enough of those.
Whoa the Rays are in on Bailey too? Haven’t heard that one yet….come to butthead. Theyre probably just driving up the price so Boston gives the A’s their best 7 prospects or something. Come on Beane, we need a franchise-turnaround deal like the Rangers got from the Braves.
I doubt anyone ever gets that lucky again. How often does a team get a franchise SS, a top closer (soon to be top starter), a #3 starter with potential to be better, and a catcher (who eventually got flipped for one our current top pitching prospects in David Perez) for a year of a player? I hope the A’s do get a package close to this, because I’d like to see the AL West become one of the more competitive divisions in the league, however the Rangers don’t need to be the ones who provide the package.
The Red Sox want Bailey and Gio? Way to be greedy
I hope the Nationals land Gio and the Rays get Bailey
Me too.
sign me up
I hope they do too.
MONSTAH DEAL. Uh oh. I’m kinda hoping it happens, but at the same time I’m torn. I just think I’m more in the mood of wanting to see Boston do something.
Honestly I’d kinda like to see one happen so I can start making my irrational judgements of Cherington. He hasn’t really done much so far to make a lasting impression, with Melancon being the only mildly noticeable move. If he trades for Gonzalez AND Bailey, it’ll be a chance for me to either decide he’s an AA-style genius, or a complete trainwreck. 😛
Eh, commented back, but something didn’t sit well with the commenting system. Has to be reviewed. BOO.
I rather just have them give a one year deal to Oswalt. I really dont want to give up that many prospects for a pitcher who walks so many people. Walking batters in the AL East, he wouldnt survive very long. Not liking Cherington so far. Theo has made some pretty good moves in Chicago though.
Did you read WHY I said I was hoping it happened? Wasn’t a valid reason at all.
Yea but why would you want them to do something bad? I rather see them do something by not doing anything and avoid giving up their prospects for a pitcher like Gonzalez.
Gio!!!! Red Sox really want to burn what remains of their farm system for this guy? True, Gio did perform against average to sub-par teams but he got hammered against the top offensive teams…the Al East is a top offensive division.
Woah, wait….Gonzalez AND Bailey? How does Boston make that happen?? Theoretically, I mean. I’d be pretty bowled over if it actually happened.
Giving the A’s 50 years worth of ad space on the left field wall. Only way I see them making money until that San Jose thing goes through.
hak ju lee! ahhhh i can only wish, but really, what’s realistic that the rays would offer for bailey?
Why did this rumor have to be added? I love Andrew Bailey and now it’s gonna hurt more when he goes elsewhere.
monster deals never work out for the teams giving up prospects
Cole, Norris & Lombardozzi for Gonzalez, Mitchell.
Middlebrooks, Ranaudo for Bailey.
Seems fair.
too much for bailey, and mitchell is out for the beginning of 2012, so he won’t be included in anything, and also way too little for gio
Gio’s a great pitcher, but if I were the Nats I’d be concerned about the walks. Not certain this would be enough to get him, but more than that is what I’d consider an overpay.
Good point on Mitchell, didn’t know that, was looking at him as potentially better than Bernadina/Cameron.
I doubt the Red Sox give up those prospects for a relief pitcher.
I don’t think Middlebrooks is top 50 calibur & I don’t see Ranaudo as a top 100 type. Maybe Sox disagree, but that’s what seems fair to me.
sox disagree. so does BA, BP, and every other scouting group. billy beane himself probably disagrees
No just no to the Bailey offer. Hes a reliever! He hasnt even pitched over 50 innings the past two years!
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The Red Sox are trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a “monster deal,””
Dude, come on! Unless they’re trading Wally or offering the A’s ad space as compensation DO NOT WANT!
On the bright side the only time I’ve believed in what Rosenthal said was when he pointed out that water was wet.
I questioned him on that one until I went and checked for myself actually.
Clearly, the Red Sox are attempting to trade the Green Monster for Gio and Bailey.
Which is an even WORSE move than trading Middlebrooks and Bogaerts! Gonzalez’s road splits are worrisome enough, imagine how much his HR/FB will spike if we just go and send someone else our left field wall, unless there’s some kind of three team deal involving China.
Never in my whole life have I been so hopeful that Jon Heyman is right about something.
What’s even scarier is one of Rosenthal, Heyman, or Cafardo maybe right. I guess a blind squirrel does find a nut every so often.
If Heyman, Rosenthal and Cafardo were a clock, they’d find a way to only be right once a day between the three of them.
Just throwing this out there, so don’t crucify me:
Red Sox send Reddick+++ to OAK for Gio and Bailey, then grab one of the better OF bats left (cough Beltran cough).
You would have to say what the plus plus plus is. Then we can crucify you
Haha. Not familiar enough with the Red Sox system to say. Seems like they’ve had a lot of hyped up guys that didn’g pan out lately (Anderson (who is actually from Oakland), Iglesias, Che-Hsuan Lin, others).
Slusser just tweeted that Boston arent strongly in on either of them and the Nats are the team going hard after Gio.
I hope so…
Law tweeting deal is done, Gio to the Nats..
Just saw that. Thank goodness.
Merry Christmas to me!
Damnit Marlins, don’t let the Natinals win this.
What would the Rays give up if they get Bailey
Beane will be looking for a bundle for Bailey now that he got 4 B prospects for Gio. The Sox will have to give up Bogaerts and Reddick for Bailey.