4:43pm: The Mariners have inquired on Bailey, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Olney suggests the A's will definitely move the reliever this offseason.
12:48pm: The A's are very willing to trade Bailey, tweets Danny Knobler of CBS Sports. He notes that the Phillies had interest before they signed Jonathan Papelbon.
11:19am: A Reds source agrees that Alonso is way too much for Bailey, writes MLB.com's Mark Sheldon. Sheldon notes that starting pitching is a more pressing need for the Reds than a closer.
9:00am: The Reds are talking about a possible deal for Athletics closer Andrew Bailey, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. The A's are interested in Yonder Alonso, tweets Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM and ESPN.com. The Reds have a need at the back end of their bullpen, with Francisco Cordero entertaining offers as a free agent. The Blue Jays are also known to have Bailey on the radar.
Bailey, 27, posted a 3.24 ERA, 8.9 K/9, 2.6 BB/9, 0.6 HR/9, and 37.1% groundball rate in 41 2/3 innings this year. He missed time with an oblique injury in 2010, and also had elbow surgery in September of that year. Effects of the procedure caused him to miss most of the first two months of the 2011 campaign.
Bailey is under team control through 2014, and we project him for a reasonable $3.5MM in 2012 as he'll be arbitration eligible for the first time.
Yasmani Grandal is the man
He certainly is. Which is why the Reds won’t part with him, in my opinion.
Well, they have Mesoraco, so they might. I was wondering if this would involve Alonso in some capacity, but I’m not sure how the two would compare his value to Bailey’s.
That the Reds have two unproven catching prospects and Mesoraco gets credited as the better of the two makes the Grandal speculation a rather reasonable one.
You can never have too many “good” catching prospects. Exhibit A: Saltalamacchia, Teagarden, Ramirez.
If they decide to get rid of one, then maybe. I just think Alonso would be much more likely than one of the catchers.
yep….grandal or meso could move to first
i hope the reds trade for him while the Red Sox are focused on getting a manager in place so i don’t have to worry about the Sox overpaying for him.
I doubt Bailey is going to be cheap, prospect-wise. Is this really the best use of those prospects for the Reds, given that there are approximately eleventy billion closers available right now for just money? I realize the main purpose of the trade would be to get a closer cheaper than they feel they can in free agency, but prospects are an even more limited resource. Wouldn’t a starting pitcher be a smarter use?
Especially when Type A relief pitchers don’t cost a pick now, I’d think teams would rather take advantage of that before looking at a trade option.
Why wouldn’t a type A reliever require a draft pick
The Reds need a #1-2 starting pitcher and need all the prospects they have to get one. I have a hard time believing that a package of Grandal and Alonso wouldn’t have the Rays thinking twice about not trading Shields. Heck, trade for Gio if you’re talking to the A’s.
Within the next 3 hours or so we will see add on to this story….
12:00pm Reds GM says team is currently not in any talks with the Athletics for closer Andrew Bailey. Team is currently looking into all possible avenues to fill the teams closer role. The Reds could be interested if the A’s asking price for Bailey comes down.
A’s probably want Alonso
That was my thinking. Hold out for a Sheilds deal instead Reds. Even if you have to throw in another prospect.
I’m thinking either Alonso or Grandal. Both are blocked in Cincy. Although how many first base types do the As already have (Barton, Carter, Allen, Ka’ihue, Doolittle)? Is Beane planning on throwing them in a steel cage to settle it once and for all (if so, I feel REALLY bad for Barton).
I agree, this seems like Beane is trying to rebuild the ’99 A’s. at this point, I think Doolittle can be moved off of that list. Barton _might_ be non-tendered (though I think he should be kept), KK probably gets moved, cut, or demoted in Spring Training.
If the A’s do land Alonso (which I can’t see, for Bailey alone at least) – Carter/Allen as a LF/DH rotation, Alonso to 1B, Barton as a 1B/DH fill-in, and hope that either Allen, Barton or Carter builds some trade value.
Doolittle is a pitcher now and if we got Alonso I think he would take the starting job.
i may be a dumb uninformed parody of a dead black man from an old sitcom but that was funny.
Would like to see some Boston interest in Bailey. Although who knows what we can trade for him.
Lowrie and Reddick
I would actually be fine with that. But would Oakland?
no
I think Lars in a package would pique Oakland’s interest, though I have no idea why.
I would throw Lars in with Lowrie and Reddick, but I get the feeling Oakland still says no.
Make it happen Barry Chenningchino!
Lars,Reddick,Doubront and Lowrie for Gio and Bailey
Ha! Dream on, fella.
Why Dream? It is a known fact that Oaklnad is looking to move both Gio and Bailey before walk years. Neither Gio or Bailey will be on A’s come April
neither player is near a walk year and lars-reddick-doubront-lowrie is a parody package
First off, Gio’s under team control for four more years, and Bailey is for three more.
Second, because of how much time is left on those contracts, the A’s are going to ask for the moon for Bailey and the entire universe for Gio.
So tell me what’s so special about any of those three Sox prospects you mentioned that makes you think the A’s would accept that package for a 26-year-old left-handed ace-in-the-making and a 28-year-old stud reliever?
PS – I ignored Lowrie on purpose.
because Red Sox prospects are superior to other team’s prospects and major leaguers, didn’t you know?
Because a Red Sox fan said so…duhhhhhhhhhh
By far one of the worst proposed packages I have ever seen as a comment on here and that is saying something. Red Sox fans crack me up
All four of those combined wouldn’t get you Daric Barton, let alone anyone else. lol. Oakland wants players that will actually help them and are an upgrade over what they have now. They don’t want to downgrade with those guys.
When Daric Barton is your starting 1B, there is no such thing as a downgrade…
The A’s should definately move Bailey. Its not like they will win alot of games for him to save anyways (no offense… But the A’s have no offence).
You switched………never mind.
Andy they can have Balfour close
I am thinking Alonso and Wood would be a fair package. Bailey is one of the best closer in the league (when healthy) and the trade of Bailey for Cordero for the Reds would be pretty good for two reasons.
1) Bailey is better (2.86 FIP to 4.02 FIP in 2011)
2) Bailey is probably about $5M or so cheaper this year, and controlled for another 2 years after that.
Alonso is a good hitter, but he shouldn’t be projected to be a star yet. Wood is probably just a back end starters and depth for Cincinnati at this point. Cincinnati would use the money to resign Phillips or possibly try to chase down one of Reyes or Rollins.
I would think that a player like Yonder Alonso straight up would be enough. However, the A’s would need to decide if they will have 3 natural 1B in Allen, Alonso and Carter. Though Alonso and Allen can play outfield, it may still create an issue. It would probably take Yasmani Grandal along with Yorman Rodirguez or a guy like Daniel Corcino to get Bailey otherwise.
I think that it might take a little more than just Alonso for that exact reason. Oakland is most in need of power bats for the OF or 3B. I am not sure I see a 3B in CIN that fits the bill. If I am Beane, I would prefer Grandel (but that would require them shipping out Suzuki at the trade deadline or after the ’12 season).
just alonso is too much for a closer
Grandal plus an untouchable?? You are way overvaluing the closer position. If we give up a package of what you are mentioning it will be for a player who contributes 200 innings and not 60.
Too many FA options out there to give up these prospects for a closer. Closer market is flooded we could find a closer to work for 3-4 mil and keep our prospects. We aren’t one piece away from a world series. This trade would be a mistake on the Reds part unless it was for someone like Juan Fransisco (the power hitting 3B you need).
i’m not trading any of Yonder or Yasmani for Bailey if I am the Reds.
That’s fine as long as you dont sign Cordero.
Why not?
You have Votto and Mesoraco.
And Votto would be taking up 20% of the teams payroll in 2013. If a RP, such as Andrew Bailey, should get you Alfonso+Grandel, imagine what Joey Votto would bring the Reds. Slip Alfonso to 1B, Grandel backing up at catcher, the 4 or 5 players/prospects you get for Votto and away you go…
If I’m the Reds I keep the prospects and either find a middle reliever or move one already on the roster into the closer role. I would not give up anything of significant value for a non-elite level closer, and even then only when the team was a elite closer away from contending.
Bailey with his injury history is not worth a top five prospect. The most I’d likely offer would be someone like Heisey.
I’d offer Juan Fransisco and nothing more. Boxberger is an internal candidate to close (he was named an AFL all-star). If not him than arrendondo(sp?) has experience in that role in the past. Or pick up one of the other FA options for around 3-5 mil. Cardinals have shown the closer position is not a priority when constructing a winning club. We need to focus on our rotation.
Francisco doesn’t seem to be the type of player Beane likes, but I agree that Arredondo is probably the best in house option right now, and it looks like Boxy will be ready at least by the start of 2013.
Are the Reds not going to try Chapman as their closer? They just want a shutdown setup man?
Isn’t he supposed to start this year?
He is supposed to.
He is going to be a starter in ’12
Moved to the rotation next year. Most likely starts at AAA until ready to consistently throw strikes.
He’s going to have to back down on his velocity to be able to make it into the 5th, 6th innings much. Which is going to make him a lot more hittable. I’m not saying it’s not worth a shot to try to make him a starter, but I don’t think it’s going to be successful right off the bat. He’s going to have to learn how to pitch instead of just throwing.
I’ll accept backing off his velocity bringing the 100+ mph fastball down to 97-98 mph but a lefty throwing 97-98 with control of a slider is still deadly. I hope he finds his groove.
If he can locate, yes. The point is that he gets away with his poor location when throwing 105. You bring that down to the mid-90’s and when you miss, big league hitters make you pay.
I also hope he does well. I find him really interesting and I’d like to see him succeed. For the money invested they almost have to try him as a starter. There is a lot to be seen though.
He was a starter in Cuba, no? Obviously not facing the same talent, but I think the whole point is that the guy needs five days off between appearances to re-fuel the rocket. He just can’t go two nights in a row, let alone 3 or 4.
Grandal, Alonso, Wood, and another prospect or 2 for Bailey and Gio Gonzalez.
I’d rather have Cahill if I were them for that package.
That makes more sense.
That would make a little more sense seeing as how getting a relatively cheap, but good starter is more of a priority for the Reds. Steep price to pay for two players though. But as they say, ya have to give something to get something. I think what would make me feel better about that deal was if both players agreed to at least a 4-5 year deal before finalizing the trade
Why is everyone jonesing for Gio Gonzalez? He’s a product of his environment, nothing more.
So his “environment” is the cause of his studly 8.8 k/9. ok gotchya.
An 8.8 K/9 isn’t exactly “studly” when it’s accompanied by a 4+ BB/9.
Cubs are looking to unload Marmol after a bad year. If they think they could harness Marmol, do you think he would be worth a Alonso in a trade
I’m guessing they would have to eat close to all of Marmol’s contract to get much value out of him. He’s pretty pricey and the reason the Reds are looking the trade route for a closer is to save money. Marmol doesn’t seem to make sense for them.
The Cubs are probably better off keeping Marmol and seeing he if he can have a nice bounce back year.
Alonso is not being traded inside the division. Not even for Garza
nope…huge question mark…huge controll issues and a horrible contract no way even if the cubs ate all of his contract the reds would be insane to take that deal
Chapman is far to wild to close, honestly I think the Reds screwed up with him royally and they should look to trade him now while he still has that freak show value.
Right now I feel the Reds have two or three options their roster for closer.
Sam LeCure, Homer Bailey, and maybe Arradondo if he’s back to his Angels self.
Massets funks are to horrible for a closer, Bray is to
valuable as a situational lefty, Chapman needs to start and is to wild
to be a closer, and the rest all have their roles they seem to fit into.
I
think Bailey has the stuff to be a closer and his ten cent head might
be able to function better if all he has to get is three outs, plus he
has the ego of a closer.
LeCure just seems to be a pitcher that
can get out of jams even if his stuff isn’t anything special. I don’t
think he’ll be dominating in the role where you know the game is over
the moment he comes in, more sneaky good in that he’ll have 40 saves
with a minimal amount blown and a over 3 ERA. Basically similar to
Cordero these past two seasons.
Closers are a dime a dozen and you should only pay for the elite level closers
Good grief
Trading a top prospect for a reliever is nothing short of idiotic. I believe everyone here will say that Francisco Cordero was fine as the closer last year and had a 4.02 FIP. LeCure, Masset, or Boxberger would be more than acceptable replacements as the closer and you can replace their role in middle relief or set-up much cheaper than you can replace a closer.
Hell, just let Cordero walk and promote Boxberger. The bullpen would be better than it was last year that way.
Last july A’s asked rangers for martin perez, chris davis, another pitching prospect. Rangers offered the 2 pitchers who were eventually traded for mike adams + a A ball shortstop, A’s turned it down
Why wouldn’t they ask the world of their division rival in an attempt to catch up with them, talent wise?
erlin and weiland are probably top 100 prospects now. I have a hard time believing the a’s turned that down
#1 To get a closer Alonzo will have to be the guy he is the only major league proven prospect and to get a proven closer it will take a package involving Alonzo.
#2 The Reds should contact the Indians they are in need of a power 1st base guy Alonzo would fit the bill and Chris Perez is thought to be available for the right return. Also the Indians may be willing to do a 1 for 1 and if not the second guy if needed could be a lower level prospect.
AlonSo.
“major league proven prospect”
Is he major league proven or is he a prospect?
Closer with injuries in his history < Alonso and his potential .300 ave 20+HR every day production
Chris Perez is the perfect example of closers being a dime a dozen. He’s no better a pitcher than Ondrusek. Numbers are remarkably close. No way do you give up a decent prospect for him. Let alone Alfonso. If the Indians are interested in Alfonso, they traded away the 2 guys the Reds would have been interested in for Jiminez..
So Mark Sheldon is blogging about how his unidentified source disagrees with Buster Olney’s unidentified source. Awesome.
My unidentified source’s Dad can beat up your unidentified source’s Dad!
So the cincy source says alonso is worth more than bailey? I highly doubt A’s would even do a straight up deal anyways. I’m assuming they’d ask for alonso + another player or two.
Maybe that’s why Coco Crisp was their best offensive weapon last year……
josh willingham was
josh willingham was
You realize we are talking about a relief pitcher right? Any GM who would trade a top 50 prospect for a relief pitcher, even a closer, should be fired on the spot.
That’s a ton of fired GM’s you are proposing.
Quentin, Danks & Thornton for Alonso & Chapman
terrible deal for Reds.
also the whitesox would have no place to play alonso….maybe you could swing that deal for one of either alonso or chapman but the sox would have to throw another prospect or PTBNL or cash
Play Alonso in left with DeAza giving all three outfielders a break here and there, and Alonso can give Paulie and Dunn breaks at (first/dh)
Get out of this thread man, wait for the white sox to at least make the post, fer cryin out loud!
You never trade a top prospect for a reliever. Ever!
The Reds are better off resigning Cordero and trading Alonso for Gio Gonzalez imo
They’d be best off just letting Cordero walk. Not worth the contract he’ll demand.
Not sure given the boatload of better relievers on the market that he’ll be in a position to demand a huge deal. That and the fact he’s turning 37 next season.
He’s 37? Let him walk. You can replace his production internally.
What’s so special about Alonso? Career .835 OPS in the minors, no real defensive chops and will be 25 going into next season.
Have you seen Alonso play in person? Going on 25 and being major league ready to start day 1 is not that bad. His prime years are still a couple years down the road.
Alonso is too much for Bailey?
Yes, he is.
The guy is blocked in the reds organization. Hes proved that he is no viable option in the outfield. He is 25 and not getting any younger.
The longer the reds wait the lower his trade value gets. They would be lucky to get a top of the line closer for him.
Closer is the most overrated position in baseball. If they can get a decent starter for him, which they should be able to, why would you take an injury prone reliever?
Craig Kimbrel was the most valuable reliever in baseball last year and was worth 3.2 WAR, which would put him on equal value with John Danks, and that’s the absolute best in baseball. Most of the really good relievers are worth just under 2 WAR. Would you trade Alonso for Fauston Carmona? How about Chris Capuano? Not when he can be the primary piece to land a much better starter.
If cordero leaves who is the closer in waiting though? I wholeheartedly agree with you about the overvalue of the closer role but the reds have no other arms in their system that are ready to step into that role. I’m not advocating the fact that a deal would be straight up, obviously more would have to come the reds way, but I doubt it would be incredibly substantial. Bailey too is the type of pitcher than can go multiple innings making his value different from that of other typical closers.
If the Reds could somehow swing a deal with the A’s including Alonso for Gio then you are really getting full value for him. But given the reds situation I don’t see anyone jumping at the opportunity to pay full price for a prospect all other teams know they are trying to sell high on now while his value is at its highest because he has no future in the organization
Who’s the closer in waiting? Take your pick! Cordero had a “good year” as a closer with a 4.02 FIP. Arredondo had a 4.31 FIP last year, but he experienced some control issues coming back from TJS and has a career 3.84 FIP. Sam LeCure had a 3.50 FIP last year, and Nick Masset had a 3.55 FIP. Any of those guys would make fine closers next year. There there’s Brad Boxberger who’s shown elite ability as a reliever in the minors and buy-low options in free agency like Broxton, Nathan, and Lidge.
It’s not hard to find a closer.
Sabermetrics + Relievers = no worky. (Ya need big sample scales!)
Who’s going to play 1B for the A’s?? Another season of Daric Barton?? Brandon Allen??
Barton’s not worth giving up on yet, he needed shoulder surgery and tried to play through it, that solves his stinky 2011 for you.
Andrew Bailey had a WAR of 3.9 as a rookie.
By what WAR? fWAR has him at 2.4, 1.0, and 0.9 for his career. You must be using rWAR.
im using zWAR
By what WAR? fWAR has him at 2.4, 1.0, and 0.9 for his career. You must be using rWAR.
seems to me like Alonso would only be too much for Bailey if they’re going to let Votto walk or trade him. isn’t he completely blocked right now?
Doesn’t matter who is playing 1B, he is taking over LF until Votto walks.
Shields and Archer for Grandal and Alonso
Hahhahaa. Good one.
You can drop Archer and add some more to the Reds side. I do think you’re on the right track too.
Way too much…..that’s funny I was think Yonder Alonso and a player to be named later
Alonso if dealt will have to be dealt to a team in need of a 1st baseman due to the fact that be cannot be hidden in the outfield full-time.
Alonso is a possible game changer bat in a eveyday line-up at 1st base this is what makes him worth so much these guys do not come around that oftain.
Alonso, Grandal, and Wood or Volquez FOR Bailey, McCarthy and Tyson Ross
I want what you’re smoking.
Jurrjens and Prado for Alonso.
JJ and Prado both have more value than Alonso
Jurrjens perhaps. Prado, no. Pretty sure the Reds can do better for Alonso than a LF coming off a sub-.700 OPS.
You mean a 2B/1B/3B/LF that before last yr (when he got a staph infection that screwed his season) posted three .800 plus OPS seasons in a row?
Huston Street and Andrew Bailey’s trade value dropped significantly when MLB announced that Type A relievers weren’t worth #1 draft picks anymore. After that change and with all the FA relievers on the market, I don’t think it makes any sense to trade a top prospect for a reliever anymore IMO.
You know Bailey is under control for more than one year, right>
RHSP Edison Volquez, LHSP Travis Wood, 1B/DH/LF Yonder Alonso, OF Chris Hiesey & AA CL Donnie Joseph for Andrew Bailey & Gio Gonzalez.
The Reds are lucky they can even gauge some interest out of the A’s…
(Tries to trade for closer in MLB The Show)
Alsonso is way too much for a guy like Bailey? Seriously how high do they value him?
Alonso is NOT too much for Bailey. He’s 25, hasn’t proven ANYTHING in the majors, has slid down the top 100 prospect-list each year and has a .840 OPS in AAA. There is a healthy crop of those type of players in circulation. The A’s have four, in fact.
Then they should play some of them. Scott Sizemore had the second highest OPS on the A’s last year. Willingham’s as good as gone. That makes Jemile Weeks their biggest offensive threat…
Yeah ya know the A’s really should trade some of their pitching surplus for bats, like they have this really awesome closer….
Did you not catch the last quarter of the Reds season? Alonso has proven some things, maybe not that he will be a Votto-type yet but that he will definitely be an offensive asset for any team.
Alonso is NOT too much for Bailey. He’s 25, hasn’t proven ANYTHING in the majors, has slid down the top 100 prospect-list each year and has a .840 OPS in AAA. There is a healthy crop of those type of players in circulation. The A’s have four, in fact.
What is the asking price for Andrew Bailey?
Plus, he is originally an East Coast Guy.
I would take him, but it all depends what they are asking for him.
I would also take Balfour as well.
No gm in their right mind trades a potential elite firstbasemen for a middle reliever/ closer. Maybe if it’s a package if Bailey and Gio for Alonso, Grendel and a few more prospects than maybe.
LOL in what universe is bailey considered a middle reliever. When healthy (some issues) but healthy now is a top 10 closer type with 3 years under team control.
And in what universe is Alonso going to be elite? .835 career OPS in the minors. Whoopeee.
“potential elite” he also averaged over his minor league numbers(3 season in the minors) a .370 OBP SLG% average over the same time is roughly .400 not bad at all and also his time with the reds in 2011(sample size i know) he had a
.330/.398/.545 slash line…thats pretty good for a guy who is only 24
1) Thank you for reposting his OPS. Point was: .835 career for a 1B is nothing special.
2) Small sample size as you pointed out, it means absolutely nothing.
3) “Only 24”? A 25 year-old is not young for AAA in today’s MLB.
Alonso made the majors this year and will be there to start next year. 25 years old is young for MLB.
ok still then why trade a guy who could potentially be an elite bat for someone who at most will pitch 50 innings
Pounce Anthopolous! I want Bailey. He fits the Jays mold perfectly. He’s young, throws cheddar, and is one of the best. Go get.
For referring to his fastball as cheddar. I like your comment.
I agree but what would the jays have to offer, starting pitching is a non need for the A’s they are stacked unless they lack down in the low minors.
Give them Cooper and a cookie.
Anthony Gose for Bailey might get a long look.
Lmaoo, Jays are not stupid.
can an A’s fan with reasonable opinion tell me what it would take to get Gio? Does a package of Alonso, Heisey, and Homer Bailey for Gio and Bailey sound good? For those ragging on Alonso, this guy is the real deal. Personally, I would HATE to see him go. Amazing plate discipline, decent power, lots of contact, cheap and controllable for many years. Truly a small market dream player.
I’m an A’s fan and sometimes have a reasonable opinion, and I gotta tell you, that package sounds awful. It needs to add Grandal to start and even then that might only get you Balfour instead of Bailey in addition to Gio.
The rumor floating around the web is that the Marlins asked Beane what he wanted for Gio and he said Morrison, Nolasco, Yelich and Ozuna. Not sure the Reds can come close to that without adding Cozart or something.
It would take a ton to get Gio hes gonna be a cy young in a few years hes got great stuff.
What the hell do the Mariners want with him?
You can never have enough relief pitching.
Exactly. Even if you have no hitting. Fourth place here we come!
That’s a good question. I hope the Orioles get involved and get him. I am going to have a stroke, if the Orioles trade for Street and not even take a look at Bailey.
Plus, I can’t imagine Beane trading their #1 reliever to someone in the division. Doesn’t make any sense to me. Beane didn’t trade Balfour to the Rangers, so why he would trade him to the Mariners is beyond me.
Yeah! On what planet are the Mariners in better shape than the A’s? Last I checked the A’s left them in the dust last year. They should be trading anything of value that they have…only their key pieces are so far apart its like watching the A’s being run by a total shortsighted dumb person, or Beane in 2009.
young cheap good late inning reliever if health permits an experienced great closer. they have a young team on the verge(2-3 years) of competing so why not be interested
EDIT: supposed to be a reply to Bob9988
Cuase Seattle already has cheap young good late inning relievers. And like you said, they are a couple of years away from contending so the M’s can afford to let the young kids make some mistakes here and there while the whole club matures together.
Damn, always wanted him to make his way to the Phils.
Hometown kid, still a huge Phillies’ fan too. Talked in interviews about how he watches their games on recasts.
looks like billy will get a good package for baliey the bidding wars have started
Could it be that the Mariners asked just to figure out the going rate to try and move Brandon League?
Bailey has some red flags, but he can bring it, he’s like all the good relief pitchers their is always some ?s.
Kind of tough to make it to the show before age 24 when Joey Votto is the guy in front of you on the depth chart and you spend four years tearing up the NCAA. Alonso alone is easily too much for Bailey.
Cool well have fun keeping him at AAA while you blow 9th inning lead after 9th inning lead.
You clearly know nothing about the Reds organization.
Wondering if the Red Sox will get involved. Maybe they can package Lowrie and a prospect for Bailey.
Boston doesn’t have what the A’s need: young, cost-controlled, impact bats.
i say lowrie reddick and lars for bailey
If the Reds are trading Yonder to the A’s they should get Gio Gonzalez. period. If not- no dice.
The Reds and A’s dont match up well, actually. Unless the Reds want to give the A’s Alonso or Grandal for Bailey straight up, no deal is happening.
you say all of this with authority, but the reality is, this guy has a lot of injury history. let’s also not forget he’s a relief pitcher. relief pitchers simply don’t demand blue chip ML position prospects in a trade because the market is so large and relief pitchers fluctuate in their performance. I think you should refine your expectations for the return on bailey
Yonder Alanso isn’t exactly the picture of health either. Oakland is right to set the price so high. Really whats their incentive to trade Bailey? Its simply overpay and he’s yours’ or dont. Also, when has Bailey’s performance fluctuated?
They match up great, it’s just the GMs don’t match up!
i say trade yonder, homer and and 2 low level prospects for bailey and gio. fair deal?
not at all
why is that
really? that wouldn’t get you Bailey and Moscoso.
Beane asked the Marlins for Logan Morrison, Christian Yelich, Marcel Ozuna and Ricky Nolasco for Gio alone….and your package isn’t even close to that.
GMs ask for alot in the beginning and end up with less in the end. A good trade is one that both teams benefit.
Beane is also asking for the moon at the start of the negotiations. Actual return would not be that high. You will get a haul for Gio but not that much.
well thats WAY too much for Gio alone
hahahaha i dont think u understand how good gio is
we will give you greg halman for bailey
thats messed up haha
Stubbs for Bailey straight up
Stubbs for Bailey straight up