The Marlins offered $90MM over six years to Jose Reyes, a source told Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. They say Reyes is intrigued by playing in warm weather and for Ozzie Guillen. Reyes wants a contract worth a minimum of $100MM, however, tweeted Joel Sherman of the New York Post yesterday. More from Rosenthal and Morosi…
- The Marlins have not discussed moving Hanley Ramirez to center field.
- Many in the industry are skeptical of the sincerity of the Marlins' early offers to Reyes, Albert Pujols, Mark Buehrle, and Ryan Madson, feeling the proposals are competitive but not good enough to accept.
- The Rangers and Angels are among the teams that are interested in both C.J. Wilson and Roy Oswalt. The Nationals prefer Oswalt. Both pitchers are clients of Bob Garber.
- Heath Bell could benefit from the new collective bargaining agreement if teams no longer have to surrender a draft pick to sign Type A free agents who turned down arbitration. Ramon Hernandez too, in my opinion. I'm surprised to hear that such a change could be instituted for the 2012-13 offseason, after some teams made July trade decisions based on the old free agent compensation system.
- The Padres want to trade Jason Bartlett or Orlando Hudson. They are currently the only two players the Padres have under contract. Bartlett's $5.5MM option for 2013 will vest with 432 plate appearances in 2012.
- Rafael Furcal has drawn interest from the Rockies, Tigers, and Blue Jays as a second baseman, but he prefers to remain at shortstop.
- Rosenthal and Morosi say not to rule out the Giants on Carlos Beltran yet.
- The Angels will know more about Kendrys Morales' condition after January 1st. Morales is still recovering from a fracture in his leg suffered in May of 2010.
That 5M more per year than I would give him. Plus they already have a great SS – now make him mad. It all starts on the mound. What are they thinking???
Execpt Hanley is not a great SS (defensively), and no SS except Betancourt is worse. If they move Hanley, it would probably be to 3B.
How in the world is Hanley a great SS? He has a tremendous bat but his defense is horrible? From 2008-2011 Jeter has amassed a -5.0 UZR. HanRam….a -14.4 UZR. His bat is good enough to justify him being a SS, I guess, but it’s also good enough to play a couple other positions as well, and Reyes would definetly be an upgrade defensively and also to the offense.
Also, I thought I read where HanRam said he would be willing to move to make space for Reyes?
Hanley = 31.1 WAR over 7 seasons
Reyes = 33.4 WAR over 9 seasons
He’s referring to defense, as was I.
with some effort i think he could be above average defender at third, which would make him a beast if his bat rebounds
Yes and a risk worth taking (Ramirez), however it won’t be the Orioles.
Adam Jones was front and center in the photo shoot in today! Matt Wieters, JJ hardy, Adam Jones, and Nick Markakis. So if the Marlin pick up Reyes and then decide to trade Ramirez, it’s not going to be the Orioles. Which is maddening!
you guys need pitching anyway
I was surprised that Zach Britton wasn’t there or if he was I didn’t see the pic.
We do need a third baseman!
Ummm “Reyes would definetly be an upgrade defensively and also to the offense.”
That seems like WAR would be appropriate
YFS78 and I were saying Hanley is not a great SS Defensively. But I never mentioned Reyes, that was him.
Oh yeah I agree with you. YanksFan just said Reyes would be an upgrade on both sides which is pretty ridiculous IMO. Nothing against you man.
Gotcha.
How am I wrong?
“Reyes would definetly be an upgrade defensively and also to the offense.”
Reyes WOULD be an upgrade to the defensive position of SS. In addition he would also be an upgrade to the OFFENSE, as in the entire collective offense of the team. Keep in mind, he would be replacing HanRam at SS, not replacing him as a member of the team. I was not comparing Reyes offense to that of which HanRam has produced over his career. But having him (Reyes) improves the teams overall defense as well as the offense (as a compliment to HanRam).
Not sure why I would even have to explain that to anyone since no where was it stated anything about getting rid of HanRam from the Marlins.
How am I wrong?
“Reyes would definetly be an upgrade defensively and also to the offense.”
Reyes WOULD be an upgrade to the defensive position of SS. In addition he would also be an upgrade to the OFFENSE, as in the entire collective offense of the team. Keep in mind, he would be replacing HanRam at SS, not replacing him as a member of the team. I was not comparing Reyes offense to that of which HanRam has produced over his career. But having him (Reyes) improves the teams overall defense as well as the offense (as a compliment to HanRam).
Not sure why I would even have to explain that to anyone since no where was it stated anything about getting rid of HanRam from the Marlins.
Wow…..how are ppl missing my point? You said HanRam was a great SS. Great SS infers he’s also good/great defensively. He’s a great HITTER who happens to play SS and a poor one at that. His bat can play anywhere, at any position. Reyes however, IS a good defensive SS as well as a good hitter. Thus, Reyes is a better fit as a SS than HanRam is.
Yesterday and the preceding week Insiders were saying the Marlins are serious about signing “Big Name” Free Agents. Today Many in the industry are skeptical of the sincerity of the Marlins’ early offers to Reyes. What’s the deal? My “Tuesday Afternoon” prediction is out the window! Guess, I will have to listen to the Moody Blues! That will provide some consolation!
I’m wondering if they are making an effort to SEEM really active to boost fan support. I doubt they make a big splash, maybe Madson or someone else in the $30M – $50M range.
I just can’t see them signing a $100M guy.
This theory also matches their “interest” in every single major FA this offseason.
They have no interest in C.J Wilson because of his issues in the playoffs.
Yeah, why have interest in a guy that was a 5 WAR pitcher during a 162-game season when you can much more accurately judge him by the 5 starts in postseason?
You hit the nail on the head with that statement!
Keep in mind that the owner is Jeff Loria. He’s all about conning people and not going into his pocket if he can. The Marlins are just trying to drum up excitement and buzz in order to sell tickets. As I understand, the offer to Pujols was underwhelming, and there hasn’t been any concrete offers to either Madson or Fielder as of yet.
The offer to Reyes is a fair offer, but he can get that from the Mets, if they’re serious about keeping him, and Loria knows it. I truly believe you’ve got it right, it’s more about publicity than an actual attempt to sign real players.
Ok, so all this Marlins talk that’s been dominating the site is all bogus and theyre just making joke offers? Reyes isn’t taking that offer under any circumstances, if it is a real offer.
ur wrong the fish r forreal now that they got that new stadium plus no state income tax in florida soo 90 million is all of it unlike most states with taxs its only a first offer
I don’t think it is such a bad deal. So he doesn’t get his $100 million. But he does get that 6th year in the deal. That would take him up to the ripe ‘ol age of 34.
I think the Fish are just setting the market w/ these bids. If they go any higher, other teams would use that number as a starting point for the bidding. I think it is prudent to start the bidding low. Remember, this is a process. Other teams wil also bid and the final numbers will end up higher than that $90 million dollar figure.
Exactly. It’s what a smart GM does, instead of just offering the maximum amount of money straight off the bat (Amaro, Colleti) and having the player accept. You never know, if interest isn’t that strong they might just get him now at 6/100 or something.
Or they may lose him, how smart is that!
It’s not joke offers its just not the best offer out there. Do you really think they can top the 210 million over STL gave puljos and still give Reyes 90 ? There going after Reyes and hoping another one will sign for “cheap” because of the team that they could have
If true, 6 and $90 is pretty low. He’ll get 6 and $100 (at least) from someone. I can’t imagine Reyes was very excited about that offer.
6 years and $90 million is a low offer only relative to the Jayson Werth deal. In my opinion they are giving him one more year than they should.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, Reyes wasn’t making close to that with the Mets.
It’s an initial offer, no need to insult it. This probably doesn’t get done either way for another two weeks, let’s all be patient.
I agree. But, that’s about the right offer to where you know it won’t be accepted but it looks like you tried. So the people that are skeptical if the Marlins are really serious about spending all this money are going to really wonder now.
This offer made Jose say NO I WANT MORE……
no state income tax in florida soo 90million is all of it unline most states
There’s no reason for a team to go out and offer a maximum value/length deal right out of the chute. You build up to those and set the market. Why give away extra dollars and years before you’re forced to by the market?
If this offer is any indication, it seems that the Marlins made good, competitive offers for everyone they bid on, but they are clearly of the “first offer” variety. No one (except Jayson Werth last year) ever pounces on the first offer, it’s out there to set the bar for future negotiations.
I dig what the Marlins are doing and I’m hoping they land a big name or two (or six) and really make a race out of it in the NL East.
I think assuming they made “good, competitive offers for everyone they bid on” is a bit of a stretch. I don’t see how this precludes them from offering Pujols something like 7/145
“There’s no reason for a team to go out and offer a maximum value/length deal right out of the chute. You build up to those and set the market”
Unless you’re the Nats and really want to set the market fro years to come….
This HAS to make the Mets very happy to know that the starting offer is a $15MM base salary. It will allow them to compete for at least a little while. However it may entice other teams to jump in too.
There’s no state income tax in Florida so that $90 mil is more than in another state.
That only applies for his 81 home games though. The 81 road games he will be paying taxes to whichever state the games are in.
Is that true? Im seriously asking – i would assume it isnt since the office is in Miami and they take care of everything and i would think traveling is a “business expense” and such…but it would make sense since taxes and greed go hand in hand.
No, he’s right… I only “know” because of all the talk about Cliff Lee last year and how much the Ranger’s deal was actually worth since Texas also has no state income tax.
Yes that’s true, I read that last year when Lee was a free agent.
Unless the other state is Texas, Alaska, Nevada, Washington, Wyoming, South Dakota, and to a lesser degree New Hampshire and Tennessee. I guess only two of those actually help a big league baseball player, though.
The worst place to play as far as tax goes is Toronto!
Marlins are just trying to sell tickets to the new stadium at an inflated premium caused by the perception that they are going to sign Pujols or Reyes. They will offer fair, low offers and hope someone bites. They are going to rely on no state income tax helping them out.
The allure of Hanley Ramirez is that he puts up crazy numbers for a SS, at 3B those numbers are still good, just not as good comparitively…If they do sign Reyes, I think they look to move Hanley to another team, cough red sox cough, before they move him to 3b.
Hanley, Coughlin and Sanchez for Ellsbury or some sort of combination could possibly work…not saying it will…
I could also see him going to Toronoto, LAA, Cubs, or Yankees
Hanley, Coughlin and Sanchez for Ellsbury
Ill have what your having pal…yeah, it would work for the sox, not the fish.
if his defense is average at third instead of awful at short, those crazy offensive numbers are actually just as valuable
i’d take him in boston as a third baseman if youk were moved to DH and ortiz left. a hanley-for-ellsbury trade is pretty impractical though and boston doesn’t have much else to offer a marlins team that’s looking for right-now pieces
for funsies, though, i think it would look more like hanley+lomo for ellsbury+reddick/kalish+alex wilson. crawford can play center and wipe his tears with $20M a year and lomo could handle fenway’s LF
in reality the marlins are much better off trading those two players separately if at all, and neither one to boston
I’ll gladly have some of that also. Hanley, Coghlan, Sanchez for Ellsbury? It must be some Peyote mix w/ Cannibas type mixture, no?
Red Sox fan?
Actually a Yankees fan…I know Sox’s have been enamored w/ Hanley since trading him away. Ellsbury for Hanley does not seem fair. Coughlin was a throw in b/c marlins will not need him + gave up on him and Sanchez has been inconsistent. Hanley coming off injury is not at the level Ellsbury was at last year. Not sure why all the griping about the trade idea, you all make it seem like Hanley is some sort of amazing untouchable piece. To me he was more of a cancer and loafer then a stud at this point…I would not really want him on my team in all honesty. Point was Marlins would be better off trading Hanley then moving him to third…
I would love to bring Bell to Anaheim. With Downs, Walden, and Bell, the ‘pen would be solidified a la our 2002 bullpen. With the rest of the team, look for internal options and if an external opportunity presents itself, then Jerry should make a deal. Bell and Wilson are who I want to see in Halo red. Thank you!
Is it weird that I’d like the O-Dawg in Detroit for a season or two, if they fail to sign Kelly Johnson or land Martin Prado? Obviously, they’d need to sign a solid backup due to the injury risk, but the Tigers need a Ramon Santiago type regardless. Okay, it probably is weird that I’d be okay with this happening.
maybe 6yr 96 million; something similar to what Beltre got in Texas. That’s the highest I will go for reyes.
Its just a starting bid people there will be more negotiations.
I’ll go on a limb and say Reyes is worth 6 years/120 tops but I wouldn’t even begin to put that much money on him due to injuries the last few seasons. As for the Padres trading Bartlett or Hudson, the Jays should just bring back Orlando Hudson if Kelly Johnson declines arb. He is a switch hitter, amazing defense and can hit over 10 homers a year probably along with some potential to steal bases. Not to mention he’s a cheap option and a return to Toronto could make a lot of Jays fans happy.
On January 1st, the state of Kendrys Morales improvement will magically be known? That’s one helluva New Year’s party.
I obviously don’t think Reyes and his representation will take this offer as-is, but between the income tax impact, the potential for enhanced endorsement income and the ability to jump on a 2 hour flight back home to the DR has got to make this offer more competitive than some are thinking.
Nice try, but you got most of it all wrong. Reyes lives year round in the NY area. The endorsements may be new to Florida, but they would not be anymore abundant or lucrative than in the NY market. Lastly, the DR is about 45 minutes away from Miami.
Unless he’s blown away with some kind of crazy offer, the Mets could offer that deal and he would re-sign. He likes it in NY, only real big money will get him to leave.
It’s 2 hours to where his relatives live. Feel free to look it up. I know he lives in NY and i can’t confirm or deny how much he likes it, but it is obviously a great city for most. I think you’re missing the national/local endorsement notion though. He wouldn’t lose national endorsements and Miami is 70% latin and he’s a big fish in a smaller pond (honestly no pun intended). Maybe he’d rather not want to put in the time for all the extra endorsement money, but the offers would be there. For what its worth, I hope he stays in NYC, I just was surprised how many people thought this was an insulting offer. There is just a lot more than $/years in play in these decisions.
I would love to see Furcal at 2B for the Jays next season. However, it doesn’t really make long-term sense for him. He is almost certainly going to make more money the rest of his career if he is being paid to play SS.
Jason Bartlett could be an interesting name to keep an eye on for Phillies fans, would be a great stop gap for Galvis.
Why the hell has it taken Kendrys Morales over two years to recover from his foot problem?
And why is this tidbit of info tucked under a Marlins/Reyes headline? Did I miss something or is all Cuban-born players’ info now availabe only under Miami news?