The Red Sox met with Brewers hitting coach Dale Sveum yesterday to discuss the possibility of managing in 2012. Sveum obtained a job offer later in the day, but it was from the Cubs, not the Red Sox. Boston GM Ben Cherington now seems prepared to expand his managerial search. Here’s the latest…
- The Red Sox haven't scheduled a formal interview with Valentine or arranged second interviews with other candidates, according to Rob Bradford of WEEI.com.
- Cherington and Valentine met early on in the process, according to Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald (Twitter links). Larry Lucchino has also met with Valentine. Silverman reports that Blue Jays first base coach Torey Lovullo will get a second interview for the position.
- Valentine has met with at least one Red Sox owner and will meet with the others, according to Rosenthal and Morosi (on Twitter). Interest between Valentine and the Red Sox appears mutual, according to ESPNBoston.com's Gordon Edes (on Twitter).
- The Red Sox will take a breather before continuing the managerial search, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).
- Cherington says his bosses did not undercut him during the process, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (on Twitter). "Absolutely not. I don't know where that comes from," he said.
- The Red Sox haven't ruled out former MLB manager Bobby Valentine, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The FOX reporters say Tigers third base coach Gene Lamont made a strong impression with the Red Sox and note that Lamont's previous managerial experience may play in his favor.
- "I don't know that that's accurate," said team president Larry Lucchino when asked if their search will consist of more experienced candidates, reports Rosenthal (Twitter links). "We're not in any rush," added Lucchino."[Terry Francona] was hired first week of December."
- A source tells Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports that the Red Sox aren't out of the running for Sveum just yet, and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports hears that they could still hire from their original group of candidates even if they expand the search (Twitter links).
- The Red Sox aren't prepared to offer Sveum a managerial position at this time, according to Alex Speier of WEEI.com. The team expects Sveum to accept the Cubs' offer.
- Meanwhile, the Red Sox have been granted extensions to talk to Indians bench coach Sandy Alomar Jr., Blue Jays first base coach Torey Lovullo and Tigers third base coach Gene Lamont, Cherington told reporters. The Red Sox are no longer considering Phillies bench coach Pete Mackanin.
- Dodgers third base coach Tim Wallach and Rays bench coach Dave Martinez won't be part of Boston's search if the Red Sox do expand their list of candidates, according to WEEI.com's Rob Bradford.
- Peter Gammons of MLB Network suggests the Red Sox owners are prioritizing experience in the ongoing managerial search. “What a laugh,” Gammons writes after pointing out that all great managers start somewhere (Twitter link).
- Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald heard earlier on in the process that Ryne Sandberg is a candidate to watch (Twitter link).
- Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports says Boston's decision to decline Terry Francona's options for 2012-13 after their late-season collapse set in motion "a series of unfortunate events."
gradylittle
Mackanin was my favorite from the start, kinda disappointed that he’s not being considered. Though, wasn’t suprised since he was 60 and the only exp. he had was on an interim basis.
Redsoxn8tion
Ken Rosenthal is such a dweeb. Thanks for that mind blowing comment Ken. Now drink your milk
Redsoxn8tion
and you’ll grow up to be a tall boy. Oh wait…..too late
MB923
“and you’ll grow up to be a tall boy. Oh wait…..too late”
At first, I thought you were talking to yourself
gradylittle
What does this have to do with me and my depression towards the disinterest in Mackanin?
East Coast Bias
He thinks you’re Ken Rosenthal.
gradylittle
Oh no!
Redsoxn8tion
Ha ha ha. I don’t think you’re KR buddy.
The_BiRDS
Maybe you guys should hire the “rally squirrel” as your manager?
vinny_b
was hoping Boston would pick Sveum. Because he would’ve been a lackluster manager for them.
either way, Boston will miss Francona.
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diesel2410
This just in: The New England Patriots fire Bill Belichick and in less than 5 minutes, the Boston Red Sox offered him a 3 year deal. It is rumored that Boston did this to compete with the sweater-wearing manager of the Tampa Bay Rays, Joe Maddon. If you can’t beat him, join him?
genius.gm.on.mlb.the.show
spygate in baseball, hmmmm?
RedSx799
you’re still on that?
diesel2410
Once a cheater, always a cheater
John DiRienzo
i suppose it’s a good thing everyone is on a level playing field then
RedSx799
I know, right?! every f**king NFL team has been doing that since the invention of the VCR and Video Camera.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I still want Mike Maddux. Now that he’s not likely with the Cubs, maybe he’ll change his mind? I’m doubtful, but I hope so.
Ry.the_Stunner
Mike Maddux turned down both the Red Sox and Cubs because of family reasons (mostly the distance). Him not getting the Cubs job doesn’t really change that.
start_wearing_purple
No he won’t. He turned down the Sox because of family concerns and just did the same to the Cubs. I don’t expect we’ll see him as a manager any time soon unless Washington gets recklessly fired or the Astros want to change things up.
scott brecht
He is in the middle of building a house in Texas and his daughters are both in college there. Just seems like bad timing. I was hoping for him as well.
User 4245925809
Not sure how Washington could get reckless really. He already was found with coke.. That is pretty reckless already.
East Coast Bias
But then why interview? Did Maddux JUST realize where Boston and Chicago are on a map?
0bsessions
Being an excellent pitching coach and being good with geography don’t necessarily go hand in hand.
whatever
vacation?
Early_Riser
Peter Gammons of MLB Network suggests the Red Sox owners are
prioritizing experience in the ongoing managerial search. “What a
laugh,” Gammons writes after pointing out that all great managers start
somewhere.
Did Gammons actually criticize the Red Sox? *marking date on calendar*
MaineSox
It was the stupidest thing he could have criticized them about too.
Chess
As much as you want to knock Gammons, he was the first to report on the rift betwenn Francona and the Sox management, which everyone shot down when he did and lo and behold look where Francona is now. And he said Lackey was going to have Tommy John surgery, which everyone shot down and guess what Lackey is having now. Like him or not he knows whats what.
Early_Riser
I do like Gammons, I grew up reading him. I’m just stunned is all. He almost never has an ill word for the organization.
LTDm206
Also, most (all?) manager candidates with have been major league managers in the past have been FIRED by their teams. That’s like saying you’ll only consider candidates who were deemed unworthy of managing their team.
Early_Riser
Indeed. Seems like two-time firee Bobby Valentine is going to get it now, which telegraphs what we pretty much already knew: Ben Cherington is GM in title only. Lucchino is running the show now. Why make Cherington go through the dog and pony show of interviewing all these people with little or no experience when after he makes his choice the bosses say “We want an experienced manager”. You couldn’t have just said that at the start? They cut Cherington’s legs out from under him right out of the gate. This makes the Red Sox look worse.
chico65
That was some breather, wasn’t it?
Just when I think it can’t get any worse, here comes another Keystone Kops routine. The Sox are doing more damage to themselves than any other team ever could.
Guest 6078
If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Cherington and I believe Henry specifically say that experience was not needed? And besides, they don’t seem to be targeting people with experience as managers either. Alomar Jr. has never been a manager and Sveum has only managed 12 MLB games.
Seems like a pretty baseless conclusion by Gammons
Patrick Casey
Would love to see the search expand to include Sandberg.
rockfordone
Watch out for Bobby V. or will Jerry Manual come forward. Sweet Lou???
MB923
Sweet Lou is done. Bobby V and Jerry Manual, possibly but highly unlikely I’d say.
rockfordone
Is Booby Cox tired of fishing?
MB923
Not sure, but I wonder if Joe Mauer will be doing more ice fishing or if he is tired of that.
Rcsully
How about Tom Kelly ?
rockfordone
Sure why not – TK is good – Gene Lamont my God – Terry Bevington is looking for a gig
Oh forget – Jeff Torberg
BoSoxKinz
That is a great call! Kelly might not be interested in all that goes with being manager of the Sox though. I know they want experience, but I think a guy like Greg Maddux would make a great manager!
Fangaffes
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……
Ozzie Fermin
Bosox need 2 hire their captain Jason Varitek as their new manager!!!
Pete 12
Dave Martinez would be the coolest looking manager in a very long time, ever. Best beard in the game (Sorry fake-weird Wilson).
Ned Gold
I’m so annoyed that they won’t even interview the guy.
Paul
Wow please just hire someone already.
dc21892
Hope they stick to the before Thanksgiving deadline… lol. This is driving me nuts.
Martin
I don’t think that Sveum would be a good thing for either party. He is not what we need and since he is regarded as useless by most fans since his fiasco as third base coach he would be booed as soon as Sox loses a couple of games, no honeymoon for him since his rep in Boston is horrible.
slider32
After what happened last year with this organization their lucky if anyone wants this job. Who ever they get won’t be as good as Tito. They have already downgrated their team with the loss of Theo, Tito, and Papelbon and the winter hasn’t even started. If they fall on their face again this year it’s three strikes you out, and the collapse turns into a curse!
notsureifsrs
“”I don’t know that that’s accurate,” said team president Larry Lucchino. “Gammons is the guy Theo leaked to. I only stir up crap through the Globe.”
Paul
See Gene Lamont’s name on the list just makes me laugh uncontrollably. That guy is a joke as a third base coach, who the heck would want him as a manager!?!
They must be getting real real desperate.
commenter3346
Dale Sveum was a terrible 3rd base coach as well.
genius.gm.on.mlb.the.show
maybe gene clines?
Joseph Golden
Where is Jimy Williams these days?
$7562574
take mickey hatcher off the angels.
notsureifsrs
“The Red Sox haven’t ruled out former MLB manager Bobby Valentine, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports”
new priority #1: rule out bobby valentine
Joseph Golden
How can you rule out the inventor of the wrap sandwich?????
MeowMeow
PLEASE dear god…
Every time I think that man can’t get any dumber I hear him give some “analysis” on TV I just want to cry.
Chess
“We’re not in any rush,” added Lucchino.”[Terry Francona] was hired first week of December.”
Yeah, after Theo and the gang flew to Schilling’s for Thanksgiving and he made them promise to hire Tito.
Latrappe
Valentine spoke to an owner and not Cherington first? Lame duck status, here i come…
BoSoxSam
Looks like Cherington did in fact talk to him first. Lame duck status, DENIED.
Latrappe
But on Wednesday night, Cherington acknowledged that Henry, Werner and Lucchino had become more involved in finding a new manager….
Lame duck status in full force…
Stonehands
How long does this take, before they even started searching i thought the canidates were Martinez, Farrel, Mackinin, Sveum, Alomar, and Maddux. They’ve eliminated Mackinin, Sveum got another job, Maddux dropped out of the race, Farrel and Martinez weren’t on the list…what does that leave? Valentine-no thanks…Alomar- YES!!! or get Martinez in the race please!!!
chico65
Ahem, it arrived the second he was hired.
I want the Sox to trade Lucchino this offseason.
(meant to be in reply to latrappe)
Latrappe
Agreed but you always have the hope that it’s not. Fans ( including me ) are naive, sometimes. I guess the Sox will slowly become the laughing stock of the AL now that Lucchino is in charge. What a bad nightmare *facepalm*
MeowMeow
No no no no NOT Bobby Valentine. NEVER Bobby Valentine.
Michael C
I predict Brad Mills
User 4245925809
About time they talked to a candidate with a head on their shoulders… Forget Lamont, Alomar and Sveum.. Bobby v is what a team that does not know the meaning of the word order and discipline needs.
EarlyMorningBoxscore
This whole managerial search is an absolute joke. Clearly Cherington wanted Sveum, but Henry, Lucchino, and Werner did not like him. To me it shows that management doesn’t trust Cherington’s judgement. What a joke the Red Sox are becoming. I wish Henry would just sell the team, and move on.
start_wearing_purple
To me it says no one was completely sold on Sveum and they weren’t ready to make an offer so they didn’t.
It also tells me you’re panicking over nothing.
RPK3113
NOOOOOOOOOOO Please do NOT hire Valentine!!
MetsMagic
I don’t like how people are judging Valentine as a manager because he’s a crappy broadcaster. Tom Seaver and Joe Morgan weren’t good broadcasters either.
User 4245925809
” If you’re going to disagree with him, boy, you’d better have your facts
together and you’d better know what you’re talking about, because he’ll
make you talk in circles sometimes. That’s how bright he is as a
baseball mind.”
Jim Duquette on Bobby V from a WEEI interview… Man he is getting more and more talk in the Boston media..Which I realize is generally full of crap, but still..Fingers crossed…