The Blue Jays will discuss the possibility of signing David Ortiz this winter, reports Richard Griffin of The Toronto Star. GM Alex Anthopoulos cautioned that he would be "doing his due diligence" more than anything, but Griffin says he's likely to have preliminary talks with Ortiz's agent once the free agency period begins.
The Jays do have several things working in their favor when it comes to wooing Ortiz to Toronto. The slugger knows manager John Farrell from his four seasons as the Red Sox's pitching coaching, and Ortiz is friends with Jose Bautista. Bautista could also stand in the way of a deal though; Griffin says the front office would like him to remain the highest paid player on the team. He'll earn $14MM in 2012, and Ortiz is likely to seek a raise from the $12.5MM he made in 2011.
Ortiz, 36 next month, hit .309/.398/.554 with 40 doubles and 29 homers this past season. Last week he said that he wants to return to Boston next season, backing off some earlier comments about not wanting to be part of the "drama" surrounding the team. In his introductory press conference, GM Ben Cherington said he has had some initial dialogue with Ortiz about a possible return.
Can’t see them giving up a draft pick for Ortiz, which, unless I’m missing something, they’ll have to do. Would be kind of interesting to see but I doubt it’ll happen
I donno the Sox may not offer arb, but you are right that it is likely they will, theres still that chance though
If the Sox don’t plan on signing him before free agency starts it’s 99.9% certain that they will offer him arbitration. It’s a win-win for them; if they don’t re-sign him it’s because they didn’t want to go multiple years for him, so if they offer it and he accepts it they get the short deal that they want and if he doesn’t accept they get draft picks.
I have a better chance of winning the lottery than Ortiz not being offered arbitration, especially with stories coming out that a divisional rival may consider him. If he doesn’t cost draft picks, there’s little realistically preventing AA from pursuing him as adding Ortiz to that line up makes a good team even better.
If nothing else, the Sox would do well to offer arbitration just to make it hard for the Blue Jays to justify signing him.
Please no. He’s 36. The only was I’d be okay with them signing Ortiz is if he was the final piece of the puzzle. He’s far from it so let another team spend on him.
Ortiz might SEEK a raise… but he’s not getting one. He’s too old, too few teams need a DH, and DH just isn’t valued like it use to be. He’ll be lucky to get a 2 year deal for $24M.
So it went from Fielder, to Darvish to Ortiz as them signing. Pretty soon they will be lining up to sign Augie Ojeda!
Yes, because it’s not like they can sign two players.
But the Jays are not a big market team!!!!11!1
edit: sigh.
They have some money
Is that sarcasm?
That is what all those 1’s mean…
The Jays have a lot of cash to throw around. They are just as big a market as most US cities and compete financially with the 3-4 bigger market teams.
The Jays owner (Rogers Communications) are the wealthiest owners in the MLB. Rogers’ annual *profits* exceed the Yankees’ total Global revenue (per Forbes).
I loved that quote from Rogers saying that any Blue Jays losses amounted to a “rounding error” on their empire’s books.
Toronto is the 4th largest sports market in North America, population wise. In the early 90’s, the Jays set attendance records being the first team to woo 4 million fans in a single season.
Yeah….such a small market team….
Wow, they’re still going man. Even after adding the “sigh.”
Bravo
And this is coming from a Cubs fan???? LMAO!!!!
“Griffin says the front office would like [Bautista] to remain the highest paid player on the team.”
That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
Griffin LOL
Dude if this is true, I’m going to spaz out, take a shot of red bull mixed with vodka, take a couple of unidentified pills, and then beat my head against a wall until I pass out. This would be total bullsh*t and would completely rule out almost every good player that might even be remotely available, both through free agency and trades. Let alone Fielder, Pujols, Wilson and Reyes, this would even make Votto and Hernandez unavailable on the off-chance that their names were brought out. A 14M player salary cap is the stupidest freakin thing I’ve heard from the Blue Jays since JP Ricciardi.
bautista has been the best hitter in the game the over the past two years. if you sign someone for twice what he makes, and then that person in turn mails it in (*cough* carl crawford), it can have a profound influence on how everyone else behaves.
or i guess stats are all that matter and the media in boston…blah blah blah. sure.
why would we give away our draft pick for ortiz when we can have fielder or pujols
It’s good to dream, but can the Jays afford what Pujols will command? I can see them going after Fielder, but I doubt they’d sign either of them. It’s probably more realistic to go after Ortiz.
The Jays have the richest ownership in the league. If they really wanted to they could throw a ton of money at all of them. But I don’t see AA wanting any more blotted contracts (eg. Vernon Wells), just look at the what the Yankees are going to have to deal with underperforming overpriced players in A-Rod, Jeter, and eventually Tex.
The Jays don’t have the richest ownership in the league. Sorry.
Who does then?
According to Forbes its the Nats owner Ted Lerner 4.6billion.
The Jays are owned by Rogers Communications, which has a net worth of about $20 billion. The reason they didn’t show up on that Forbes list is because it lists individual people, not corporations.
yes, and I’d assume more than 80% of that is for the actual communications company, not the Blue Jays
Great point, how did he forget that 4.6 billion dollar payroll that the Nats have?
The thumbnail pic and the comment work beautifully together.
Hilarious. Doesn’t really add anything to the discussion other than a few snickers though. The Jays ownership is rich, doesn’t mean the team itself is rich. The Yankees are a much richer team than the Jays, even though Rogers Communications easily trump the steinbrenners in wealth.
The Mariners. They are owned by Nintendo, which has a net worth of just a little more than Rogers. Rogers is the third richest ownership behind the Mariners’ Nintendo and the Braves’ Liberty Media. All three companies are worth more than 20 billion and less than 23 billion, so all of this can change by January 2012.
Edit: Actually now that I double checked, Rogers has an equity of about 20B, while Nintendo’s equity is around 15B and Liberty Media is 11B. So that does put Rogers at the top, by an incredibly large, almost insurmountable margin.
If you want to talk corporate ownership, I believe that Nintendo has a higher market cap. Ted Lerner of the Nat’s has higher personal net worth.
Not sure if they’re the riches but definitely up there with them.
Just because Rogers Communications are the richest ownership in MLB, doesn’t mean they spend more than any other ownership on the team. I’d assume only a very small fraction of Rogers is spent on the Jays.
Richest ownership in the league literally means nothing. They aren’t going to fund the team from their pockets, it’s a business and they’ll run it out of the revenue that it brings in. The Steinbrenners aren’t even close to the richest owners in the league, but they spend the most money because they have the highest revenue.
Yeah you don’t put more into your investment than waht its worth. The Yankees and Red Sox sell the most so they can put the most back in.
That is exactly what it all boils down to…
Owners, regardless of net worth are not going to throw money into a product that does not have a bottom line worth investing into. Remember Wayne Huizinga and his temporary marlins teams of the late 90’s? He pulled a NYY and bought a WS title, found out the people of Miami still would not support the team and quickly dismantled it.
Huizinga was an incredibly rich owner, with that waste disposal company that slips my name ATM…
Edit:
Waste management and forgot about Blockbuster video..
Agreed….and….Rogers earns a tremendous amount of TV and Radio broadcast revenue across Canada from advertising sales and broadcast rights.
They might transfer some of their earnings from their media empire to cover a team deficit for a year or two, but they aren’t going to run their team that way, that’s just not a smart way to run a business.
Rogers Media division does operate a few TV stations across Canada…Rogers SportsNet, Rogers SportsNet1, Rogers SportsNet East, Rogers SportsNet West, & Rogers SportsNet Pacific…plus Rogers SportsNet Radio in Toronto and a few other major Canadian markets. After NHL hockey, Toronto Blue Jays baseball and Major League Baseball is their most popular programming. In other words, Rogers Media division rely heavily on Toronto Blue Jays and Major League Baseball to generate advertising revenue.
Somehow, I suspect, the on-field performance of Toronto Blue Jays is important to Rogers Media division.
Of course it’s important, but they aren’t going to run on a deficit year-in and year-out, they would be better off selling the team than to run it in the red every year. The advertising isn’t important enough for a company that big (and that well known) to justify losing millions of dollars every year.
ok…I get your point…now…are we talking about hypothetical losses or real losses…because…I haven’t seen reports on team’s profitability
Hypothetical. I don’t know (without looking) how the teams revenue stream compares to their payroll, I was just saying that the fact that they are the richest owners doesn’t really mean anything because their payroll will be (and is) based on their revenue, not on how much money the owners have.
They can afford any of these guys but realistically they won’t persue any of them because they’re need is a front end SP and they’re not gonna give up a 1st round pick for especially Ortiz.
Yes, its that simple…
Becasue Ortiz will go for a one or two year deal , Pujols and Fielder want long deals…..
At twice the salary and four times the years.
Two words…..Frank Thomas.
There is a differece, Ortiz is 36 not 39
Not sure the Sox will offer arbitration. I wouldn’t. In that case, no draft picks forfeited by the signing team. In any case, no way any team gives him more than 2 yrs/$20MM, and I would not spend even that on a DH.
Why wouldn’t the Sox offer him arbitration? It would be ridiculous not to; it’s a win-win situation for the Sox if they do.
Oh really? Its a win-win situation for them? So if Ortiz gets 15M in arbitration and turns into Adam Dunn for a year, it’s a win-win? You should apply for a job with the Red Sox front office.
any scenario that ends with him hitting like adam dunn isn’t a win, obviously, but you need to distinguish outcome from process
ortiz becoming unproductive in 2012 is very unlikely, but sucking in 2013 is marginally more likely. a one-year deal for this reason is strongly preferred, even if it’s for $15M. (keep in mind he’d only need to produce about 3 WAR to be worth that salary; last year he broke 4)
add to this the fact that ortiz won’t want a one-year deal and will be likely to take less money for a longer contract and what you get is an easy decision to offer arb
In the business world (which is what baseball really is) you don’t judge whether an investment is a good idea (a player is an investment) based on the outcome, you judge it based on the soundness of the logic at the time of the deal.
If the Red Sox don’t bring Ortiz back it’s because they don’t want to offer him multiple guaranteed years, if he accepts arbitration they have got him on the one year deal that they wanted in the first place, how well he does after that is really irrelevant because it would have happened anyway if they got the one year deal they wanted. If he doesn’t accept arbitration and ends up with another team they get draft picks.
So yes, it is a win-win situation, either they get a deal the length that they wanted to begin with or they get draft picks.
ppfftt logic and sense who needs them???
in my opinion only way ortiz doesn’t get offered arbitration is if AA somehow jedi mind tricks Cherington.. which at this point we cant rule out
It’s long noted that AA is a wizard, not a Jedi. Jedi don’t use their power for personal gain.
Come over to the dark side. We have cookies!
Better to only have 1 Adam Dunn year instead of 4!
My sentiments exactly. Only Sox would offer a dh like Ortiz 2/20 and, in all honesty, i expect them to hold at 1yr 10 mil with a team option! Would any team give up a 1st rd pick for an old dh? And would the Sox prefer to have Ortiz or the picks? I say the picks!
I can’t see Boston offering arbitration so it likely won’t cost a draft pick.
It’s a lock that he gets offered arbitration. Thinking otherwise is foolish!
RSD, why would Boston commit to a minimum of $11.25MM for their 1-dimensional DH next year? I love Ortiz, but for that kind of money the team can get a quality RF like Cuddyear (granted, he’ll require multiple years, but be worth it), Papelbon (again, multiple years but worth it) or (failing a Papelbon signing) pay for a 5th starter (to complement Beckett/Buchholz/Lester/Aceves) and BP arm or two. Even for a deep-pockets team like the Red Sox, a 40% overpay for the DH slot ($8MM is more than fair market) isn’t the way to go.
AL DH’s combined to tally a .771 OPS last season. Take Ortiz out of the number and it was probably closer .766. Ortiz OPS …. 953. You don’t just get 180-200 OPS points for nothing. Some GM will soon figure out that DH’s have been oversold and some now trade at a discount to their intrinsic value.
Two words……..Lance Berkman.
4 words: He’s already been extended.
That’s 5 words.
Contractions count as 1, chief.
AA says this about every free agent, MLBTR is just trying to milk this to get us talking about it…and it worked.
Isn’t that what MLBTR is about, showing us the news and creating conversation? How is it a bad thing?
Damn them for doing their jobs!
Yes , but this is kind of silly, AA says this about every free agent. Alex Anthopoulos cautioned that he would be “doing his due diligence” more than anything. You could ask AA about fielder , pujols, darvish… even kelly johnson and youd get the same response. Its just highly unlikely given AA’s track record for younger controllable players and taking the trade route as opposed to free agency , ESPECIALLY for an old dh who likely has 1- 2 good years left. I just dont see it happening , and most logical people would agree with me.
“I just dont see it happening , and most logical people would agree with me.”
That’s not the point. It’s a rumour. No matter how unlikely it is to happen, MLBTR should be reporting it.
Well on that note, I should start creating my own phantom rumors. I’d still be more accurate than Heyman, who gets posts.
no problems on a 1 year deal, dollar amount on a 1 year deal doesnt matter to me. If snider/rasmus have a semblance of a decent season its a well balanced lineup,
escobar/rasmus/bautista/ortiz/lawrie/lind/arencibia/snider/2b(kelly johnson)
still need a solid #2 starter to compete in 2012
Exactly, I’m surprised a lot of people are even against a one year deal with Ortiz, add a team option in the chance he has a good year. Everyone is so quick to say Ortiz won’t be that good, but who is to say Encarnacion isn’t going to back to the person he has always been? If he can repeat his second half of 2011 then we don’t need Ortiz, but we can’t predict the future.
Darvish could sign there.
How about a Hamels for Bautista swap, hahaha
So because the Jays front office signed Bautista at a great discount, they are stuck in mediocracy for the next 5 years because they are not willing to sign any FA that will command more than $14 million/year. That doesn’t make any sense Griffin. I hope its not true.
The blue jays are going to have a very interesting offseason. i can see them signing ortiz and trading for votto. they have the prospects, and they can afford his contract plus hes from canada. I can also see them pursing darvish. Man having bautista, votto, ortiz back to back to back would be deadly.
The Reds aren’t trading Votto
Never say never…he is expendable.
no he isn’t
The Reds have Alonso who they plan on playing 1B and is a lot cheaper than Votto. They can get 3-4 good prospects now instead of waiting til he leaves in a couple of years.
The Blue Jays have Snider who could play RF and is a lot cheaper than Bautista. Does that make Bautista expendable?
Snider doesnt have nearly the potential. And Toronto isnt a small market team like Cincy so they dont need to unload. And last, Cincy has no DH like Toronto so they have no room for Alonso seeing they dont like him in the OF and would prefer to have him on 1B. So get your facts straight before you compare apples to oranges.
Alonso doesn’t have nearly the potential of Votto either. It’s not apples to oranges. This has nothing to do with having a DH or not.
You dont know that. Yonder Alonso is a promising prospect to replace Votto whom Cinci cant hold onto for long. Not quite the same can be said for Torontos situation. How you confuse the two says alot for your baseball knowledge. Snider is falling off the radar in Toronto and will definitley not replace Bautista in the lineup. Do a little research in the matter before you embarrass yourself anymore!!
Maybe they could like, resign Votto? Crazy i know.
that actually is kind of crazy and isn’t happening
Why wouldnt cinci want to bring him back? If they were smart they’d lock him up. they have 2 years of votto left (i think) so they have 2 years to figure out how to afford him, it can happen.
I’m sure cincy wants him back, not sure Votto wants to, unless they give him the best offer.
of course they want him back. but in a pre-FA extension they already paying him $13M per. his $19M salary in 2013 is already going to have them in a bind and he’d be bringing in more than that every single season if they re-signed him
sucks for cinci, but they can’t commit 20+ percent of the payroll over 7+ years to a first baseman
of course anything can happen, you did afterall????
read above
You don’t get rid of your best player unless there is zero indication he will be back next season (e.g. Roy Halladay). Even in his last year the Reds can still net a good return, especially at the trade deadline where he can put a team in contention over the top.
the other time you do it is if you won’t have him back when the contract is up, you have his replacement already in the fold, and you can get a ridiculous haul a year early that will fill major holes and make you a better team overall
The Reds are still potentially playoff contenders, they aren’t going to take a step back when they still have another year to stay forward. You don’t trade him this year. Who do the Reds want? Drabek? Snider? The Jays aren’t going to part with them…maybe Snider. If anything you are going to see Thames go, probably Hutchison, and 2 other prospects.
i didn’t predict they would trade him and i wouldn’t trade him to the jays anyway. they need frontline starting pitching in any deal, not just prospects
My statement still stands, you don’t trade him this year. Unless an unbelievable deal is thrown at you, which most likely won’t happen. The Reds don’t need to add unnecessary drama to the clubhouse.
as long as “unbelievable deal” means a FOR starter and a prospect or two (which is very believable), i do trade him this year
I’m pretty sure they would think about it if they offered McGuire, Hutchison, and Hechavarria they would think about it.
The only guy I don’t see the Jays trading D’Arnaud. Wish the Phils could have hung on to that guy.
If the Reds were shopping Votto, they could get way more than McGuire, Hutchison, and Hechavarria, imo.
ya they are. if they get 4 solid propsects in return they would trade him, they have yonder for 1B, or they could trade for youkilis.
Even Roy Halladay didn’t get that return.
Even Miguel Cabrera didn’t get that return.
4 top 100 is dreaming.
I can imagine 2 Top hundred and a low prospect.
lol what? Halladay got 3 top 100 prospects back, with only 1 year left on his deal, and with the Phillies having all the leverage. Votto has 2 years, and the Reds don’t even have to trade him. 4 top 100 prospects is a very real possibility.
What if Ortiz gets caught on the juice again? Who doesn’t think he is back to using steroids?
I don’t. I also don’t think he ever did steroids. He evidently was on the list of players that tested positive for a banned substance. He said there must have been something in his supplements, and although some think that’s a bogus excuse, I tend to believe it with Ortiz. He just doesn’t show any of the other signs of ever having been on steroids–no physical changes, and performance differences that seem much more related to who was batting around him (really good with Manny, and good again now that AGon has shared his knowledge about how to hit LHP, poor when neither of them is in lineup with him).
“no physical changes”
I’m not in disagreement of the steroids part, but No physical changes? lulz
his face looks the same
His name doesn’t though….lol
I’ve been watching Ortiz for years and see no significant changes in his body structure. Nothing like Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, the Giambis, etc., etc.
Regarding the comment that offering arb is a win-win situation, I respectfully disagree. The maximum arb award is 10% below the previous year’s salary, which would equate to $11.25MM. This is an overpayment of at least $2-3MM, so unless the Red Sox value the potential draft pick by more than that, it doesn’t make sense to offer arb.
You are blind as a bat if you think that pic above and this one below = the same body structure.
Again, I said nothing about steroids, sid did.
FYI, this foolishness about Ortiz getting caught taking steroids has to end. He was on that 2003 list of players who failed the banned substances list which could have been greenies, ephedrine etc which are the equivalent of having a coffee! It’s never been told wat the substance was! Could it be the juice? Yeah, but no one knows so stop with the witch hunt without facts!
Unless the Sox can get him for nothing, let him go. He can’t play the field, doesn’t run out ground balls and runs the bases like he’s blind and has sciatica. Judging by this last season, he’s not a clubhouse leader. Use his money on the Cubs’ Aramis Rameriz. He can play 3rd and Youk can DH and play 3rd and first when needed. It covers the DH position and the three guys(Ramieriz, Youk and Gonzo) can get a break now and then. Rameriz would be of more value to the Sox than Ortiz.
‘Unless the Sox can get him for nothing, let him go.”
wow that’s strangely un-dumb. what happened to the old dennis
“Use his money on the Cubs’ Aramis Rameriz.”
there he iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis
why not get joe nathan as next years closer ?
Honestly, I do not see him in a Jays uniform next season. The Jays have a lot more important positions to fill then DH. If you listen to any of AA or Beeston’s interviews lately they both say that the trade route is how they want to build up their team with young controllable talent. Signing a Ortiz right now just doesn’t make sense with how they are building up this team.
Cliff Floyd to the Rays in 08?
It’s ok. I think that the Sox would be smart to let him and Pap walk, sign a lesser proven closer to be the set up guy and convert Bard to be the closer. Then, sign Pujols to play LF. Yes, Pujols in LF. If Manny could play left, so can Albert. Move Crawford to RF, and obv Jacoby in CF. Then, I’d sign Fielder to DH. Yes. Fielder would rake at Fenway and with playing 19 games a year at NYS. Sox won’t be wasting their $$ on C.C or C.J which I think both will be grossly overpaid, but then again so will Prince and Albert but at least they impact games on a daily basis.
What would the world be without dreamers?
U R Fun E
They would still crash and burn in September because they would have literally no pitching. Granted that team would be fun to watch and play a video game with. But no team, not even the Yankees could afford that. And with els( their best player) one year from free agency. They need all the money they can get to resign him.
I think bringing Carl Yastrzemski out of retirement to play LF is a better option. He was a triple crown winner.
Fielder and Pujols? Might as well add Darvish and CC to the list while you’re at it.( I would love Pujols though but who wouldn’t)
If this was reported by Griffin then I take it as a grain of salt
More like with a pound of chicken wings.
A few points (some of which have been made already):
1) AA does his due diligence on every player that is available or even not available
2) Griffin is not the most reputable of sources and is more likely than not making something out of nothing
3) I would be extremely surprised to see Ortiz get anything close to 14 million from anybody.
4) Though it may add some pop to the jays line up, it also really restricts there flexibility given how one-dimensional David Ortiz is.
5) For the money and flexibility, I would rather just go with EE. With Edwin you run the risk that he cannot repeat the last 60% of his season. With Ortiz, you also run the risk that he won’t be able to repeat his success last season.
6) Not that the jays really have limited funds (such that it is one or the other), but I would much rather see the Jays add an extra 10million to a Darvish posting fee bid then go after Ortiz. If they are going to make one splash, then I would rather it be for a young, exciting player.
I think Griffin does have a source for the rumour. BUT, it most likely is Paul Beaston and not Alex Anthopolous. For that reason, I am taking it with a grain of salt. Remember, Beaston proposed to AA signing both John Lackey and Jason Bay. Fortunately, AA talked Beaston off “the ledge”.
The Jays are not gonna go for Pujols or Fielder people give it up……….
I think there will be some good trades, but I do not see any FA sigings that are gonna blow any one away. Ortiz would be a nice compliment if we were closer to a winning team.
Very true. It is a chicken-and-egg situation – does the revenue or big payroll come first? Rightly or wrongly, the Jays are trying to build the revenue first by rebuilding the entire infrastructure of the organisation.
you with the rough riders right now?
Lest we forget Kettle Hill.
The only way the Jays sign Ortiz is to agree to a deal less than Bautista’s. The only way they bring in Votto/Fielder/Pujols, etc. is to rework Bautista’s contract so he makes more. In other words, not likely to happen. I would say the same about Darvish…what kind of message would it send to spend 100 million total to bring over someone who hasn’t thrown a pitch in the Major Leagues and make him potentially the highest paid player…or the one you’ve invested the most money in anyway? I just don’t see this as something the Jays will do. It may also stand to recognize that perhaps they’re a year or two away from becoming involved in the higher stakes free agent market. Ortiz would seem the most likely out of this scenario to end up in Toronto…what with his friendship with Jose…but I’m not crazy about bringing in someone who…just a couple of years ago…everyone said was finished. We’re talking about someone who’s almost at his past-due date. Were it up to me…I wouldn’t make the move.
Watch the blue jays dig into their owners pockets and sign darvish, prince, and albert. Haha that would be nut. Won’t happen but they would sure be fun to watch. A3-4-5 of Jose, prince, Albert would be awesome. Heck have the 2-3-4-5 be. Jose- Albert- prince- lawrie. That’s a ton of runs right there. Rasmus leading off.
It’s never going to happen. Why would you even waste your time even typing that stupid post.
hahahaha you playing mlb the show?
Is there a hidden joke in here? 3-4-5 of Jose, Prince, Albert? Call up minor leaguer Pierce Rankin to hit 6?
Don`t forget to put Joey Votto into that line up as well….lol.
The Jays need the next Victor Martinez.
Perhaps if by “explore” he means “we’re going to probably at least look at every free agent on the market because, well, it’s kind of our jobs, even if it’s probably not going to go much past that.”
what are you smoking????
yah!!! not even close!!
DREAM ON!!!
Do they really want one of the Mitchell Report guys on the Jayz? Other than Greg Zaun…….
If Ortiz wants more than $14M a year, spend the extra and make a run for Pujols or Fielder. they younger and likely capable of being a better addition to the team. Ortiz is on the decline and is not going to post the same numbers in 2012 that he did in 2011, which in itself was a surprise and not likely to repeat.
Spend the extra money?? You mean the extra $175 MILLION??? Ortiz will only get 1 year, Pujols and Fielder both want 10 years.
I doubt the jays will sign papi if the jays make a deal for someone else though I bet it will come out of nowhere