WEDNESDAY, 1:22pm: Ethier's agent Nez Balelo issued a statement, acknowledging extension talks with the Dodgers but adding that an offer was never made. He says Ethier is open to staying with the Dodgers for the rest of his career. Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times has the full statement.
TUESDAY, 9:25pm: Andre Ethier told Tony Jackson of ESPNLosAngeles that he won't be surprised if the Dodgers trade or non-tender him after the season. The outfielder will earn $9.25MM this year and remains under team control through 2012 as an arbitration eligible player, though he knows that doesn't guarantee him a roster spot.
"If I don't play well, we have seen [the Dodgers] non-tender guys here," Ethier said. "If you do play well, sometimes they don't offer those guys arbitration because their salaries are too high."
Ethier won't be cheap in 2012, assuming typical production in '11, but he would figure to have value on the trade market even if the Dodgers decide his salary is rising to unacceptable levels. Ethier will play the 2012 season as a 30-year-old and he has never posted an OPS below .800 in five MLB seasons. He hit .292/.364/.493 with 23 homers last year, so teams may not flinch at a salary of $13MM or so (Ethier could surpass the $12.5MM salary Mark Teixeira earned in his final year as an arbitration eligible player).
Ethier's agent, Nez Balelo of CAA Sports, briefly discussed an extension with the Dodgers this spring, but talks did not develop and Ethier was not aware that they had occurred.
in a red sox uni in 2012
nope
he’s got very arbitration-friendly numbers, but because of his defense he’s just not all that valuable
ryan kalish & josh reddick in 2012
Would it be a good idea to sign Ethier, move him to left and Crawford to RF? Playing LF in Fenway for 81 games would limit his liabilities.
maybe if they non-tendered him and the price was right. otherwise i don’t expect he’ll represent enough upside over a kalish/reddick platoon to justify the salary+acquisition cost
Wow, So if The Dodgers offered Ethier to the Red Sox for Reddick and Kalish, you say no?
yup
That is why you aren’t a GM, because if I was Theo and some Dodgers official offered me Ethier for a life long AAA (Reddick) and a possible upside LF (Reddick) I would jump, because Ethier is great and those other guys have to prove something, only thing Ethier has to prove his his hand doesn’t hurt when he swings the bat.
Damn it, insert Kalish in the upside LF parenthesis and you will know what I meant.
Ethier is overrated though. He’s a slightly better hitter than JD Drew at the same time in their careers, but he’s a much worse defensive player. He would be expensive too.
that’s because all you’ve done is read the paper where ethier’s greatness is concerned. thankfully, epstein & co. do their homework
ethier would cost about $12MM plus those two prospects. for one year of production at the 2.5 WAR level at age 30. there is not value there at all. 37 outfielders produced more WAR than that last year. his overall talent is ordinary
kalish and reddick will start this year in AAA. ethier only saw about a 100 PA at AAA before his big league career took off, but here’s a comparison of their most recent AA numbers
ethier AA – 570 PA – .319/.385/.497
kalish AA – 200 PA – .293/.404/.527 (620 PA overall – .277/.360/.464)
redick AA – 300 PA – .277/.352/.520 (420 PA overall – .257/.332/.492)
kalish already has two more tools than ethier, who might be the most overrated OF in baseball. kalish has 30 SB speed, plus defense, and developing power to go with an already good bat. trading him and reddick (power and arm) for a $12MM broke man’s manny ramirez would be a serious mistake
C’mon now. Are you really going to use their minor lge numbers to compare them as mlb players? You can pretty much toss that out the window. The majors are littered with players who were similar in the minors but vastly different once they reached the majors.
I get it. You think Riddick and Kalish will be good mlb players. That might very well be the case. However, Ethier is a proven mlb hitter. Now his defense sucks and that’sa valid reason to pass on him as a FA. I can understand not wanting to use prospects toa cquire him any sooner.
But as a mlb hitter he has shown his worth.
Ethier was ranked 11th overall among all OF’ers in wOBA, 13th in OBP and 15th in ISO. Not sure which, if any, of those are park adjusted but him moving from spacious Dodger Stadium to Fenway can be a hug difference. He has pretty decent opposite field hitting ability.
there are no other numbers with which to compare them, chief
both reddick and kalish have more tools than ethier. unless they flop entirely, they’ll each very probably match his average yearly WAR
he is a good but not elite hitter with no other skills. he doesn’t have enough power to be a very valuable DH. broke man’s manny ramirez indeed
“Ethier is great.” You lost me.
His “career” year was 3.4 WAR, that’s the best he’s ever been.
I think any conversation about Ethier comes with the disclaimer that he sucks defensively. His WAR was low because of his defense. His bating value was ranked 11th among all OF’ers in 2008 however.
Yeah but that was only one year, he hasn’t reproduced that before or since. Even disregarding his defense completely, which I don’t know why you would, 11th best is good – not great. If you look at him for the last three years, instead of focusing only on his career year, his bat has been slightly less valuable than Drew’s (based on wOBA).
Same here. Next year Kalish will be our rf for league minimum and if we want to spend we could just resign Drew, who is a better overall-around player than Ethier, for around 6 million, or half of what Ethier will make. He’s Pedroia’s buddy but he ain’t coming to Boston!
he will not be non-tendered. Thats ridiculous to even think he would.
ethier appears to be the only one who thinks he might be. i hope you don’t think i’m ethier
because i’m hong-chih kuo
Ethier would have to terrible.. simply terrible to get booted. Russell Martin was non-tendered because hes decline for sometime and he would of gotten around 5-7 million in ARB.
I dont know how to respond to this..? Was this supposed to be funny, or somehow insulting? I dont get it..
He does stuff like that sometimes. When you don’t know how to respond to something he says it’s usually best that you just don’t respond, you’ll just encourage him.
How does he get 13 likes on a comment like this? Does he have 13 disqus accounts or something?
I was thinking as a FA.
I’d be inclined to say no. Aside from the 30 HRs Ethier hit once I could see Kalish putting up numbers close to what Ethier usually does, with better speed and much better defense. Plus I don’t really think Crawford has the arm for RF.
Couldn’t agree more. Kalish has the total package.
Not a chance, they didn’t bring Kalish along this far without intending to plant him in the OF
yeah i know, i was just kidding. The kid Kalish or Linares will roam right field for us next yr.
Kalish, no chance Linares does. He may DH if Papi isn’t retained, but Drew is keeping RF warm for the rest of the year then it’s time to pencil Kalish in next year.
As a Giants fan…anywhere outside the NL West is ok with me!
Ross is a free agent why not replace him with Ethier?
Ethier/Posey/Belt combo in a couple years? Sounds very nice.
I’d get Either and Reyes (if healthy) then we’ll call it a day! Also its Sandoval/Posey/Either/Belt now that is a young core to destroy the National League for years!
eww.
Nah… we only steal your guys..
Ugh
Too bad I’m not a Giants fan. Red Sox fan to be honest.
thats ok.. replace your, with their.
Well done.
Will someone tell Andre that the movie 2012 is not real? You can’t believe everything you hear Andre.
jayson stark said there’s a 50-50 chance it’s real
“Tyler Durden” talking about things that aren’t real. That’s rich.
That’s my real name, nothing that can be done about that.
Please put him in RF at Coors. He kills us here in Colorado. Sign him away or trade for him just so we don’t have to face him! What an outfield we would have then!
we will sorely miss his defense.
– the nl west
Dude.. if you are basing this off of his UZR stats, you need to wake up, and watch a baseball game. You believers of UZR probably believe in the easter Bunny and Santa Claus too. Just because you see pictures of them, it doesnt mean they exist. I can think of quite a few people that had more than 1 error in 130+ games.
Total Zone
2008 -10
2009 -4
2010 -14
Runs Saved (+/-)
2008 -10
2009 -1
2010 -12
Total Defensive Runs Saved
2008 -10
2009 -2
2010 -14
WATCH THA GAMEZ!!!!1!
Oh good, you brought your friend the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, and santa clause with you. DEFENSIVE STATS ARE FLAWED! Now go watch a game.
You are correct, defensive stats are flawed. That’s why while I pay attention to them, I focus more on the scouting reports, which pretty much unanimously rip Ethier as a horrible defender. So after factoring in defensive metrics and scouting reports, we come to the safe conclusion that he’s a bad defender. Yet you point to fielding percentage and the eye test, and you think other people are naiive. Mhmmmmm
It’s not that I’m saying others are naive.. look at the picture I’m using. I’m only slightly biased. The reason I say watch the games, is because I’ve watched probably 90-95% of Andre’s games. Im no scout, just a fan, and I dont get the bad rating he gets. He is no gold glover, but he is definitely not a horrible defender, like alot of the posters here say he is. These guys are probably all on the east coast, and are in bed when Andre takes the field.
I would argue that most statisticians probably watch more games than the people who tell them to “watch the games”. And I’m 99% sure most scouts do, as well. And universally, those scouts tear Ethier’s defense apart.
I probably watch more of Andre’s games than just about every scout in baseball.
LAWL! Outfield errors.
Wily Mo Pena only had three errors in 2007, somebody get that man a Gold Glove!
(Clearly, you do not know how errors work, citing errors on an outfielder is one of the most ignorant things someone can do relating to baseball)
Yup, clearly.
Crash course:
Errors are generally only assessed when the fielder actually touches the ball. A routine fly ball could be coming straight at a fielder and he could outright run in fear of it and not get an error.
For an example, ever seen the Sandlot (If you haven’t, quite baseball until you have)? Remember the part where Smalls first tries to play with the others and Benny hits a ball to him which he falls over trying to get and the ball just bounces behind him and rolls to the fence? This, by MLB standards, generally would not be scored as an error.
This is why using errors to cite the quality of an outfielder is insanely ignorant. The vast majority of the time, when an outfielder misplays a ball, he simply doesn’t get to it. This is usually the result of poor routes rather than poor glovework which is guys like Wily Mo Pena can have a low error total, but still stink out loud. This is why we have stuff like UZR.
Now, to be fair, errors are stupid anyway. Jeter’s an awful fielder because he has no range, for example, but he doesn’t get a lot of errors because he doesn’t get to much. The failing of using errors to judge a player takes a severe turn when we get to the outfield, though.
“A routine fly ball could be coming straight at a fielder and he could outright run in fear of it and not get an error.”
That’s a fantastic visual. Or, rather, it would be if it didn’t define Carlos Lee’s defense.
I guess you missed the sarcasm in my comment to you. Using UZR as the only tool, to measure is as “ignorant” as you say that I am. All defensive stats are flawed, I dont care if it’s the +/-, UZR, or runs saved. I watch ALOT of baseball, and have now for over 35 years. I watch at least 150 Dodger games, and probably another 100 or so that are other teams. I’ve watched Andre play, alot. He isnt a gold glover, but he isnt the ‘horrible” defender that people here think he is.
as a padres fan, i end up watching way too much dodger baseball. ethier is just bad. he doesn’t belong in right field. the pitching staff is going to go on strike once they realize that the dodger outfield is currently a corner outfielder and two DH’s
You said it all right there.. Padre fan. LOL!
There’s no way I could imagine the Dodgers non-tendering him. Maybe he feels a little animosity about Martin?
Hopefully Andre’s smarter than that. As opposed to Martin, Ethier still has value.
Martin still had value when the Dodgers non-tendered. How much that value should be converted into actual salary was the debate.
exactly what i thought when i read his quote
As long as he dosent break his hip, decline 3 years in a row, or start hitting the bottle, he wont be non-tendered.
If he isn’t, Ruben Amaro will be at his doorstep when FA starts. Ethier can have all the money coming off the books when Raul Ibanez’s contract expires this winter.
Leveraged bargaining ploy. He’ll get paid, hopefully by an LA owner not named McCourt (oh, I better close THAT door and clarify ACTUALLY IN LA, not that fantasy land place).
“The only Angels in Los Angeles are dead Dodgers. There’s only one L.A. team.”
Andre Ethier is weird about motivating himself. 80% chance this is him reminding himself to play hard.
LOL.. I think you might be right.
Andre Either, now playing right field for the New York Yankees… 🙂
what does saying a comment like this do for the poster?
do you feel cool or something when you say stuff like that?
I see what you did there. Clever.
I would actually prefer Swisher over Ethier. Swish is like a year and a half older but he gives you just as much offense, can switch hit, is better defensively and has thrived in NY and withstood the NY glare of the media.
as a dodger fan, this pisses me off. he’s supposed to be a team leader and he says “yea well this could be my last year here”. way to show you want to be here man. after all the love this town gives him.
looking at it neutral, of course he is gonna want to leave. I mean, the owners suck and he’s smart enough to know that. The non-tender stuff though, I believe that’s just motivation. No way they non-tender him when he’s is very valuable.
I dont know man.. the guys a leftie. They’re different. Its like the poster said above me, its 80% Andre trying to motivate himself. He has quite the propensity for saying stupid things.. remember last year, when he had no idea who John Ely was, and he was pitching for the Dodgers that night? The funny part of it all… “Ethier’s agent, Nez Balelo of CAA Sports, briefly discussed an extension with the Dodgers this spring, but talks did not develop and Ethier was not aware that they had occurred.”
He wants to be there but that doesn’t mean the Dodgers are going to do their part to keep him.
Yet you Dodger fans fell in love with the ultimate “Me” player in Manny Ramirez who quit on his teammates in Boston? Didnt piss you off though when he was producing did he!
NOOOOOOOOOOO… I couldn’t stand Manny from the day he came. I love Casey Blake, (still, even with a big drop in production) and the trade that brought him here was just as important as Manny. I respected Mannys game, but I never expected anything. Especially when Boras was trying to negotiate his deal, and they wanted 7 years. Sort of tells you something that possibly the best right-handed hitter(this was before we knew about his PED use) only gets a two year contract, and from a team that desperately needed him, on alot of levels. You dont alienate a whole clubhouse, and then come into another, with a clean slate. He thought he was bigger than the team, and I feel he stunted the progress of alot of the younger Dodgers players.
Hilarious thread BTW.. Getting Non-tendered would mean he completely sucked this year. So if that was the case, a contending team would be willing to give him a fat contract? Makes sense.
His name is ETHIER people, not either.
In LA it’s Either… Either stay cheap or GTFO.
This is a little ridiculous. Ethier will be a Dodger past 2012. If not, oh well. Go Dodgers.
Great contribution. Either Ethier will be a Dodger past his current contract or he won’t. Are you a clairevoyant person or just a person named Claire Voyant….the singer?
I would be surprised if the Dodgers non-tendered him. Odd to hear him say he thinks he could be. Now could the Dodgers trade him? Sure. I think anyone could be traded for the right price.
Traded right over to Atlanta for pitching. Atlanta has the depth to pull it off. If Ethier could move to CF or LF.
cf?????????????
2010 NL starting CF in the AS game, yeah baby!!!
CF = Center Field.
Although, I’ll assume you know that. I’d much rather have Ethier in Center over Nate McClouth or Shafer.
Lol, no you don’t.
Have you seen McClouth? Yes, I do.
He’s pathetically horrible.
Have you see Ethier in RF in LA…..now imagine him in spacious CF…only worse.
yah i know what CF stands for
I was merely mocking the fact that you think a lousy corner outfielder could handle CF
The Dodgers most def need the pitching. :/
And the Braves have plenty to offer, especially in August when Medlen comes back from injury. Not to mention the minor leaguers just waiting.
Dem were jokes. The Dodgers dont need pitching. If they tank and need to trade players, they need to go after some legit hitting prospects.
Um, you guys could use the pitching. lol
dodger need pitcher since when. no starting pitcher had a era over 4. and as for the bullpen none of the guys that suck are in the bullpen this year expect for Jonathan Broxton who was only bad for half the season.
“Hi my name is Clayton Kershaw. Hi I’m Chad Billinglsey. Hi..Ted Lilly here. こんにちは私の名前は黒田は、. Hey I’m Jon Garland. Hola my nombre es Vincent Padilla. Together we are (in unison) THE LOS ANGELES DODGERS!!!!”
2010 Starting staff FIP of 3.74 was 2nd best in the majors.
I guess disqus can’t handle the Japanese language? I wonder about Chinese? I had a great “Me Chinese me play joke” joke I was working on.
if erm016 is talking about, starting pitching he doesnt know his facts. even if he talking about the bullpen. half the bullpen from last year either in the minors or not on the team. so we dont need pitching. dodgers more likely need to get younger at 3rd and getting better hitters. because starting pitcher no guy era over 4. then as for bullpen 2 out of the 6 pitcher have a era over 4. ones era is 4.04 and the other is only 4.98. so if you look at this year pitching and add there 2010 era. it be close to 4 era or a little over. because as of right now not adding the injury pitchers 8 out of 10 pitchers we have, have a era under 4.
Yet the Giants won the world series. oh you.
Theres some good young pitching in the minors too. I got to see Rubby DeLarosa pitch tonight, and boy.. he is impressive. I know.. prospects are what they are, prospects. But I think that kid could pitch anywhere. He looked good. Im pretty excited about zach Lee as well, whom Logan White is saying is more polished at his age, than Kershaw and Billingsley.
Wow its friggin early..
A bit off topic, but who’s pumped up for the next two days? I know I certainly am and fully plan to skip class tomorrow to catch the Yankees home opener.
I can’t believe it’s almost time for the opener!! This is the last day without baseball until late October!!
dude. yes
tomorrow is going to be the best day i’ve had in a long time. and friday will be even better than that
I just bought an epic 4g phone. I’m going to mute it and watch it during an expectedly boring meeting tomorrow. Gotta make sure I get a seat way in the back near the air vents. That section is always empty.
I see Kalish in RF next year at Fenway, but I’d be fine with Ethier at DH / backup OF.
why would the dodgers let go a guy who hit .290 hit about 25 HR and 80 RBIs for a season. they be crazy to let ethier go. if you want let move him to left or have him play 1st if they get tired of loney and trade him
Don’t worry Ethier, by next year we’ll have new owners and you will have little to worry about
To the Yankees for Texeria and then the Yankees sign Pujols in the offseason….
2012 NYY Lineup
Gardner
Jeter
Cano
Pujols
Arod
Either
Swisher
Granderson
Montero
And then trade Montero and Gardner to Seattle for Felix
Then buy the Minnesota Twins franchise, cut everyone except for Joe Mauer.
nice joke. yank fans been so spoiled over the years. i think now they think they can get everyone and any one they like. but they cant. because didnt they try to get cliff lee and what happen he shut them down for the phils
If anybody here knows Andre Ethier, please feel free to kindly direct him to the Chad Billingsley thread
kthnxbai
Ethier is a dodger. He’ll get extended just like bills and kemp and broxton. Just a case of a young man speaking off the cuff in front of guys with recorders.