Yankees GM Brian Cashman told Wallace Matthews of ESPNNewYork.com that no matter what you've heard about Francisco Liriano or anyone else, the Yankees aren't pursuing trades for starting pitching (Twitter link). Starters may be in demand, but the Yankees say the best pitchers aren't on the trading block.
"I'm not talking to anyone about anything right now," Cashman said. "Nobody's available. Nobody of value, anyway."
Liriano definitely has value. He's making just $4.3MM next year and is under team control through 2012. Last year, the left-hander posted a 3.62 ERA with 9.4 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9 in 191 2/3 innings. Liriano has fully recovered from Tommy John surgery to regain the form that he showed as a dominant 22-year-old rookie in 2006.
Though USA Today reported that the Yankees are watching Liriano, Twins assistant GM Rob Antony recently told Jesse Lund of Twinkie Town that the club isn't discussing trades involving Liriano.
Not sure why the Twins would be interested in dealing Liriano. Giving up before the season even starts is not a good way to inspire your fan base.
I don’t know why ppl assumed the Twins were going to trade him before the season. All the speculating seemed to point to him being traded if the Twins fell out of it.
Agreed.
Even if the Twins do fall out of contention and the yanks offer them montero, hughes, and gardner, the twins will probably reject the trade. Because even though the yankees probably will offer more, Lirianos wife probably doesnt like their fans cus they were being ignorant towards her in the ALDS last season.
My prediction is that they will ship Liriano to Philadelphia for Ross Gload and a sack of marbles.
And Raul Ibanez.
he already mentioned a sack of marbles
Just a wild guess… still not over Cliff Lee?
Ahhhh…I see what you did there! You pulled a “rope a dope” on me. Showed me your left and caught me with the right. Well done.
The Twins aren’t even interested in trading Liriano! This whole thing blew up when a Twins beat writer hypothetically wrote how it would make sense for them to do so. Now everyone and their uncle thinks he’s on the trading block! Give it up and find something new to write about.
It was Jim Souhan. And he was basically saying, “He would have maximum value in a trade right now, and the front office seems to be aware of that”. He further pointed out how the Twins got burned waiting so long on dealing Santana, and suspected Smith learned a lesson there.
But you’re right. There’s no merit to the rumor, no quotes from the front office that they ever contemplated the idea, or anything.
IF the Twins fall out of contention AND Gibson looks like he has ace potential, THEN there’s a chance they shop Franky. But those are two big conditionals (though Gibson is looking sick in Ft. Myers right now).
I did read an article where the journalissaidsomething along the lines of “I was shocked how open to the idea of trading Liriano the source in the organization was”.
I honestly think that the Twins have two reasons to be receptive and it’s simple to understand the logic from a business standpoint but won’t please the fanbase.
a) When they tried to work out an extension with Liriano he was seeking something in the range of 3/$39 mil. The word was the two sides were way off.
b) Liriano’s long-term healt is a concern I think. He has a slight body. He has a violent delivery. He went back to being heavily reliant on his slider which he threw around 35% of the time last year.
I’m no expert on mechanics but they may simply not want to hitch their star on him in any long term mega deal and would rather get something rather than see him walk like Santana and Hunter.
DOESN’T MEAN HE GETS TRADED BEFORE THE SEASON butI would be mildly suprised if he stays with them for the next two years. The obvious caveat is if he has some insane 2011 season.
Fair points. And Souhan did make a quote very similar to that. But I read it as “They didn’t laugh at me when I bounced the idea off them”.
a) Yes, they were very far off, to the point they tabled it for the season without much serious discussion.
b) Health is a non-concern to the organization. He’s already had TJ, and I can’t think of a case a guy needed it a 2nd time (not saying it hasn’t happen, just not common). His health concerns aren’t any worse than Lincecum or other slender bodies with a violent delivery.
I don’t think the Santana/Hunter factor is as big as Souhan suggested, personally. Even if they let him walk for nothing, they’re getting 2 top picks, and freeing up payroll. The difference between the return tomorrow vs. the return July 2012 isn’t so great as to effectively fold their chances for 2011.
Again, the Twins window is now, because their payroll is as high as it will ever be and there’s so many pending free agents. All signs is they’re going all-in this year, and will probably be solid next year… but their payroll is only going to shrink beyond that. Win-now mode means teams typically aren’t dishing off their best player.
Honestly, I think the Yankees missed their chance with Haren last year, Grienke this year, and should look to Josh Johnson for 2012, when his contract is as short as Liriano’s is now. If you’re trying to target a soon-to-be-expensive free agent ace, it’s the Ari-Fla-KC types that deal them.
Guess that makes Scott Kazmir a nobody….
As happy as it would make me, I don’t see anyone looking to acquire Kazmir. I really think he could bounce back, but his contract is so high for what essentially is a role of the dice.
Kazmir is a negative asset.
What made you mention Kazmir?
Assuming he looked good in ST I would take a shot at him if it meant trading him fora fringe prospect and assuming his contract.
Guy posted a negative WAR last year. Tread with extreme caution.
I dig it. Like I said. If he looked good in ST, meaning healthy, throw w/velocity and sound mechanics, and the Angels were interested in getting from up under his contract and would accept a “meh” type prospect then I would do it. What would be the harm other than a $12 mil ham sandwhich?
The Angels only take on contracts.
the yankees can finally move igawa. thanks tony!
I would drive him to Anaheim.
I think Igawa can drive his Brinks truck out there …
It’s a G-3. His deal wasn’t big enough to afford a G-5. THAT would’ve been a real overpay.
And Kevin Millwood, Jeremy Bonderman and Jarrod Washburn. While they won’t make anyone giddy, they’re not nobodies either.
Jack Z: Hey Brian.
Brian C: Hey Jack, whats going on?
JZ: Not much, not much. (long pause) So you still want Felix.
BC: Of course!!!!! Tell you what I’ll send you (Bad players)
JZ: Hey I didn’t know it was April Fools day good one. Alright heres what it will take, Brett Gardner, Phil Hughes, Jesus Montero, your top SS prospect, and one of your top SP prospects.
Brian hangs up, Jack smiles.
3 months later Yanks under .500.
JZ: Hey Brian…..
Brian interrupts Jack: You will willing to deal Felix?
JZ: Yup but I want two top SP pitchers.
Brian pauses, looks outside at the growing mob outside of Yankee stadium, with pitchforks, rope, and torches: Deal!
two minutes later ESPN, MLBNetwork, and other major sports stations announce the deal. Brian sighs as he watches the crowd cheer, and dissipate.
Seriously though if the Yanks offered the M’s Gardner, Hughes, Montero, and a top SS prospect they should take that in a heartbeat.
Uh, I think every team in the league would take that for pretty much anyone.
Pujols? PUJOLS TO THE YANKEES???!?!?! AROD TO DH, PUJOLS PLAYS 3RD WIN WIN WIN WIN!!!
the yankees don’t have a top SS prospect to offer.
Anyone they have is better than Jeter, at least defensively.
That makes you a top SS prospect? I think everyone has a top SS prospect then …
If you took the time to watch a Yankee game(which you obviously haven’t) you would see Jeter is a very good SS.
Eduardo Nunez has been projected to be a .275/.340 ish SS with a little pop and a good glove. By mlb accounts that would be at minimum an average to good SS. See Marco Scutaro.
Wouldn’t Scutaro need a good glove to be comparable though? He’s only been good defensively one year.
Scutaro’s bat isn’t good enough to win a gold glove.
so if his ceiling is an average SS(where are you getting .275/.340, thats better than his minor league numbers by a good margin), than he is not a top SS prospect. He is a prospect which just about every organization has atleast one Eduardo Nunez.
His career numbers from age 18 to 23 are .274/.318.
His numbers @ AA and AAA from 2009-2010 are (rough avg) .305/.344 w/ 25 dbls, 6 hrs and 22 SB. He has a good glove and for whateve reason, scouts like him.
In an article @ Baseball America, they talked about their process of compiling their top 100 prospect list. 6 different contributors ranke their top 150 and then they come to an agreement on the top 100. Today they discussed players who were on the top 150 and didn’t make the top 100.
From that, Hector Noesi and Eduardo Nunez were named on 4 of the 6 lists for top 150 with Noesi’s highest rankings @ 92 and Nunez @ 109.
Interestingly enoug, and take it how you want to, Dominican free swinging prospects with good contact ability sometimes seem to underperform at the minor league level. I’M NOT SAYING HE WILL BE AS GOOD AS …….but..
Comparable latin american young hitters.
Nunez- career .274/.318/.369
Cano- career.278/.331/.425
A.Gonzalez- career .265/.318/.411
O.Cabrera-career .269/.329
That’s a mixed bunch, but point is if his glove is good enough to be average or better and he can handle the bat to the tune of .275/.340 w/ some pop and some speed then that makes him a decent/good mlb SS.
yes but your missing one of my points.
He said TOP SS prospect. Just because he can play SS doesn’t mean he is a top prospect. Unfortunately, there really aren’t too many of them in baseball right now. Grant Green, Manny Machado, Hak Ju Lee, and Nick Franklin are the only guys who i consider top SS prospects. I might have missed a name or two.
Iglesias and Hechevarria
JAJA
There are 13 guys listed as SS who might also play 2B or 3B amont BA top 100. As I mentioned earlier, Nunez was on several top 150 lists that the 6 guys used to pool top 100 candidates.
That would put Nunez somewhere around the bottom of a top 15 list and he’s mlb ready. Seeing as how there are 30 mlb teams with a collective 150 minor league teams I think a guy on a top 15 list at SS makes him “among the top SS in the minors”. Not saying his celing is higher than those others but I think he will stick as a regular in the majors.
Grant Green is going to be a very very good player.
Ummmm……if the Yanks were under .500 in July I can almost guarantee you it wouldn’t be Cashman making the phone call.
Only thing is, it makes no sense to add Hughes to that deal. You upgrade the spot but you’re not lengthening the rotation. We would still need a #4 and #5.
Wow…did I just waste time about a trade we know has no shot of happening for at least another 2 years?
Nova #4 and Garcia#5 holds a spot for Betances at mid season!
Wow, that was mind-blowingly stupid.
I really like the character development, but at times the plot sorta dragged. Just keeping it real.
I think you over-estimate Gardner’s value (I don’t think Juan Pierre ever commanded a big return), but Hughes and Montero is a good starting point if you’re looking at landing a bonafide ace.
But how does such a deal look good to the Yanks? Hughes won 17 games last year, and Posada/Martin are only going to gimp along behind the plate for a year or two, and Montero is the next best catcher for the coming decade after Carlos Santana. Why not just wait a season or two until you can find one on the free agent market?
not sure he implied gardner would get a big return. but a repeat of 2010’s performance will put quite a bit of distance between pierre and gardner
even now there’d be a large difference, as if it weren’t for curtis granderson, gardner’s value would likely be higher than it is. and pierre’s would’ve been drastically lowered if he’d been stuck in left during his peak
And as La Velle E. Neal III said today in a chat in regards to Liriano: “Nothing is going to happen now or in the near future”.
cashman is a piece of work;nobodys available because he spent his time puruing pitching in the geriatric ward. he likes the file marked ‘hasbeen’
Yeah….because he let alllllllll those top of rotation starters get signed elsewhere.
Well they did. There was Cliff Lee, then there was… well… hmmm… well Aaron Miles has a career 3.60 ERA.
What? Nobody was even available when he made the minor league signings.
So who exactly was available that didn’t require giving up Phil Highes, Montero Gardner, Nunez, Betances, Brackman , Banuelos, et al. in exchange?
Halladay wasn’t available without giving up those guys you listed too, does that mean he wasn’t available? Did you expect to get quality guys without giving up any top prospects at all?
Halladay was available?
Who else?
Dude was obviously refering to this past offseason.
And I’m referring to him saying nobody was available that “didn’t require giving up Phil Highes, Montero Gardner, Nunez, Betances, Brackman , Banuelos, et”. It doesn’t matter what off-season it is, if you aren’t going to include any top prospects, you aren’t going to get anyone no matter how “available” they really are.
He and I and everyone else over the last few comments were talking about this winter.
see “cashman is a piece of work;nobodys available because he spent his time puruing pitching in the geriatric ward. he likes the file marked ‘hasbeen’ ”
Obviously he was talking about Colon, Prior and Garcia as opposed to the other pitchers he’s acquired over the recent past like CC, AJ and Vazquez.
Like I said, it doesn’t matter what off-season it is (so yes, it includes this one). If you don’t offer any good prospects, how will you get anything in return (i.e. Grienke, Marcum, Garza for this off-season since you’re so insistant on narrowing it down to this winter only)? It doesn’t matter if you want to pinpoint this winter or generalize it for any time period, if you don’t give up good prospects, how are you going to bring in quality players via trade?
I’m not arguing about giving up prospects. You are missing the point of the discussion though. So….anyway.
The post I responded to was talking about how nobody was available for them to get without giving up that list of prospects that was listed and I said you have to give up prospects to make trades happen. If you didn’t disagree with me saying you need to give up those prospects to make it happen, then why did you keep responding…it’s like you were trying to pull me into your own discussion that I wasn’t even talking about…so…anyway.
The only person that would’ve required that list would be Felix Hernandez and he wasn’t available this year. I think the conversation isn’t the Yanks unwillingness to trade prospects as much as it is there wasn’t anyone who was available to acquire other than Greinke and Cashman made it clear that he had issues about Greinke’s ability to pitch in NY. Based on his reservations he hedged what he was willing to offer vs those concerns. The meat of the conversation was directed towards what “Carlos” initially said.
The whole discussion was about who was available for them this off season. Regardless of the prospects potentially involved.
Who says Halladay wasn’t available?
It would only have made sense for Philly to ship him off for a package of “prospects” once they signed Lee…
thabeet?
Ugh – enough already. Yeah the Twins are trading their 1A starter before the season starts to the team that’s owned them in the playoffs. Makes perfect sense.
If teams don’t have their eye on other team’s starters or farm systems, they aren’t doing their jobs. This isn’t news.
Eh, right price will get anyone. Though often the “right price” is high when you don’t need to move a player.
But yeah, unless the Twins are seriously out of the running at the all star break don’t expect Liriano to fill out a change of address card.
The club (Twins) isn’t discussing trades because no one’s made a good enough offer. Liriano will be traded by Opening Day, I guarantee it.
D’ok. I will put any amount of money on your “guarantee” not coming true.
Ahh, the internet guarantee. Priceless.
Don’t believe me? Give me one good reason why the Twins are choosing Pavano to start Opening Day. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
Probably because Pavano had a decent year last year, just because a guy isn’t starting opening day doesn’t mean he is getting traded. With that logic, might as well send Verlander to NYC as well.
I’m really surprised Clayton Kershaw and Chad Billingsley weren’t traded last year, seeing as Padilla was the opening day starter.
i wonder which one of lee and halladay is going to get moved by spring’s end. should be exciting
Both, I heard Hamels got the opening day nod.
Guthrie will likely start opening day this year but that doesn’t mean the O’s are trading Brian Matusz.
Give me a good reason why a team trying to contend WOULD trade away a vital piece of their rotation?
Because of the massive disadvantages of playing in the AL east and how no team can compete ever and money is everything so sell what you have.
If you’d like to continue that discussion, go answer the real questions on the other thread … If not, just shut up.
? What are you talking about? I am merely stating what you have stated. You asked for a reason as to why they would trade him, I gave you a reason based on your arguments as to how it would fit.
And I cant shut up, I havent even spoken yet!
Yeah, except the Twins aren’t in the AL East and no one else knows what you’re talking about. Like I said, if you’ve got anything to add to that discussion, do it on the other thread.
Until then, keep researching the terms “level playing field” and “advantage.”
“Guthrie will likely start opening day this year but that doesn’t mean the O’s are trading Brian Matusz.
Give me a good reason why a team trying to contend WOULD trade away a vital piece of their rotation?”
Lol I was just refering to the orioles based on what you said. But I guess I assumed the orioles would be contending, which I guess they arent because they threw in the towel awhile ago right?
I can tell reading comprehension isn’t your strong point, but it should be pretty obvious I was asking him why the Twins would trade Liriano when they are trying to win the division this year.
Lol get over yourself, really.
You brought up the O’s, my comment was directed at the O’s. Really dont know how much clearer I can be….ummm hold on.
If you wanted to make a liriano reference then reference(as somone else did) that pavano is the starter not liriano…
Just saying, I was responding to YOUR post.
I mean really, why are you so unhappy.
I’m quite aware that you were talking about the O’s, you don’t have to point it out for me … However, the entire conversation was centered around Liriano and how he would be traded based on the fact that he wasn’t pegged as the OD starter.
If that wasn’t obvious to you, you’re not as bright as you think you are.
Naw it was obvious to me I was just going after your orioles example. its also obvious that I needed to make one more post in your favorite forum. Go check it out.
The O’s are still a good ways to contending so don’t rule anything out. I agree with you that they won’t trade Matusz, but most certainly would consider moving Guthrie if a good offer comes along.
That is quite possibly the worst reason I have ever seen on this site for why someone will be traded. Congratulations, you take home the retard cake.
Would a true “retard” know what to do with a cake?
I know, when I heard Beckett was pitching opening day last year I fully expected the Sox to trade Lester. Imagine my surprise when Lester was still on the team after opening day.
You guys realize Liriano was the 2nd best pitcher in baseball based off xFIP last year right? fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&…
You guys realize Liriano was the 2nd best pitcher in baseball last year based of xFIP right? Would you really start Pavano over the 2nd best pitcher in baseball?
It doesn’t really matter how good their best pitcher is, teams starts pitchers who aren’t their best pitcher on opening day all the time, it doesn’t mean their best pitcher is getting traded.
Haha….Hahaha….Hahahahaha, Right.
Articulate argument bro.
Baseball managers seem to get very caught up in things like pitching rotations, lineups and player status. I think Pavano gets the nod as opening day starter because he is seen as the “veteran workhourse” of the team. That’s not relevant in any intrinsic inference to who is better but I think it is telling in that I don’t think they see Liriano as “that guy” you would neccesarily put up against the other teams ace and expect them to give 8 innings of great pitching.
If anyone deserved a make it or break it column it would be Liriano. His 2011 season can determine his perception as an ace or just a very talented pitcher who will be forever trying to put it all together (health and productivity).
Good point. I think the same could likely have been said about Francona starting Beckett on opening day in years past instead of Lester. But I think in both cases the “#2” (Lester/Liriano) clearly had the “stuff” to actually be the teams ace. That was really the point I was trying to make, just because Liriano was clearly the better pitcher last season does not automatically mean he has taken over as the #1 starter.
I was agreeing with you. I know that’s hard to believe given our differences. 🙂
Ah, gotcha. It’s just so hard to get used to.
If they waited longer to start him, he might be on the DL.
I am so using this on other comment boards hahaha
needs more “book it!”
I love when people think they know when everything is coming, get over yourself. Liriano isnt going anywhere before opening day, heck the only way he would get traded would be in the twins really blow it this year which probably isnt going to happen.
Why do you think Liriano will be traded by Opening Day?
Because:
A) The Twins said they were open to trading him.
B) The probability of him signing an extension is minimal.
C) They’re starting Pavano over him on Opening Day, all the while Liriano was arguably the 2nd best pitcher in baseball last year.
Something’s up.
ALSO: At this point, Liriano’s stock has never been higher, and he’s no doubt the best pitcher out there who might be available.
Cashman sounds like he needs a hug.
I think that’s why he signed Colon.
He is a bear.
Bear hugs FTW?
I didn’t think it was possible to put together a 200 million team with such question marks in the rotation … 2 closers and 1 sure thing in the rotation? And a 300lb sure thing at that.
This is what happens when BIG MARKET teams throw money around, they end up with bad pitcher contracts, aging veterans, and no replacement in the farm system in the immediate future.
Eduardo Nunez has been projected to be a .275/.340 ish SS with a little pop and a good glove. By mlb accounts that would be at minimum an average to good SS. See Marco Scutaro.
The AL Cy Young winner gets traded every year, just sayin……
Liriano isn’t going anywhere, just shut up and put it to rest. The Twins WILL be in contention all season long until the end and they will resign him even if they fall out of contention unless they are blown away by an offer that no one could refuse. They already royally screwed up with one lefty ace, they’re not going to do it again. Keep dreaming, and to the guy who said he guaranteed Liriano traded by opening day…..maybe you should stop posting comments bud.
Amen brother – I’d say better chance A-Rod gets traded by opening day than Liriano.
I’m not saying Liriano is getting moved — but who the hell is taking on Arod?
Angels! They need a 3B.
Damn, good call. 😎
The orioles, they love the former roiders.
You clearly hold a grudge better than you do intelligent conversations …
…Really get over it. I told you I was done, reread my arguments if you want it to keep going. You asked who would take on arod, the orioles have signed former roiders in the twilight of their careers in the past. Need I bring up the sosa/palmeiro/tejada poster? Really are you this angry still? Get over it and move on.
You really can’t be serious?
You made several comments on my posts that were obvious jabs related to our other conversation … and then tell me you’re done and I need to move on? What?!
I’d say you can’t possibly be this dense, but I know better.
Lol you are right, this is an obvious jab at small market teams and payroll, not a jab at the orioles signing roiders.
I say things like this at yankees/sox fans too.
Firing on all cylinders today, eh? I said you’ve made several comments about it, which you have in several other places.
Move along troll.
Lol so you address it in a place where it cannot even be stretched to apply?
And you’re pretending as though you didn’t make the comments on THIS thread … Does me mentioning it on this specific comment make you any less of a troll?
No. Move on kid.
Lol you asked a question, I answered…I guess thats trolling? If thats the case then 90% of things on here are trolling.
UMADBRO?
Not a good example bro lol, you could have used just about anyone else and it would have been a point taken.
“Nobody’s available. Nobody of value, anyway.”
Translation #1: Hey Reuben, Just cause you left Blanton in for an extra audition inning sunday, and just cause he threw 3 innings of shutout ball against my B-squad does not change my opinion. He’s not worth what your asking. My offer stands, take it or leave it.
Translation #2: Hey Boras, I’m still not giving Millwood a major league deal, and neither is anyone else. You’re running out of time AND options. My offer stands. Take it or leave it.
Translation #3: Yo, Jackie Z, call a brother back, yo! Lets talk King!
Translation #4: Hey Johnny Mo, left you three vm’s 2 BBM’s, and a couple texts! What up? Call me! Carpenter! Now! Lets chat!
Is that you Kevin?
Now I want a reuben…
I think the Yanks should go with Nova and Garcia for the first half of the year, and see what’s available. Betances is going to be a horse and could be available by mid season.
The dude has exactly fourteen innings of AA ball under his belt. Why don’t you give the kid at least two full games’ worth of innings above A ball before we declare him a midseason callup? The kid looks good and all, but both Joba Chamberlain and Craig Hansen looked even better at that stage of their careers and neither one is considered a hot commodity at this point.
Good thing you added Craig Hansen to that comment or else I was going to go all “Casey Kelly, Mike Bowden and Justen Masterson” on you. 🙂
No joking intended here. I heard Beckett got hit. Is he ok?
He’s got a mild concussion, they are supposed to have more of an update tomorrow.
the most upsetting thing about it wasn’t the concussion but how it happened:
Beckett was hit when BP pitcher Ino Guerrero attempted to hit a shagged ball back to the bucket behind second base
so many curse words
Yeah I heard that. Absolutely ridiculous. And stupid.
Sorry to hear that, at least one your pitchers didn’t hit a batter in the head. *Looks at A.J. Burnett*
Joba threw 94 a couple of days ago, back to his old wind-up, and Betances threw 97 you can’t teach 97. Baneulos hit 93 today. All three will do well this year. There are many good pitchers that have made the jump to the majors in a short time.
“Joba threw 94 a couple of days ago, back to his old wind-up, and Betances threw 97 you can’t teach 97. Baneulos hit 93 today. All three will do well this year.”
case closed
velocity doesn’t necessarily translate to success.
what the hell are you talking about
– a.j. burnett
True, but that is one less thing a pitcher has to worry about. The other being control
Colon hit 94 on Saturday in case you didn’t know
I like that idea, but that last spot needs to be Garcia vs Colon
Well from what I heard from Jim Bowden, Liriano could be traded to the Yanks for Ivan Nova/Joba Chamberlain within the next few weeks. And you can’t take Cashman’s word for anything imo, a few weeks ago “We aren’t giving up our 1st round pick for a Reliever”, or for Teixiera “Nothing is going on”.
I think by his comments Cashman is saying he likes his young pitchers better than any pitchers that are available
Right, but I think he’s talking about the 3 killer B’s, Nova/Joba aren’t quite Prime young pitchers, if they can be traded for Liriano (who would likely only pitch out of the 4 or 5 spot) it would be a huge upgrade.
More than likely it’s the ‘+’ part the Yankees will pass on. Liriano’s fWAR was 6.0. CC’s was 5.1. One makes $4.3 mil and the other $23 mil. It will take 2 “Bs’ to get the Twins talking. And probably not always injured Brackman…
Brackman’s actually really old for a prospect (25). He can’t afford any more setbacks. And I’m already hearing rumblings about tightness and discomfort in his groin.
That’s what she said?
have I been replaced?
^about to pull a michael young
lol but UZR loves me how could this be???
Yeah, sorry. I’ve been wanting to talk to you about it; I hate that you found out this way…
No, not at all. I’m not reliable.
HAHA well played
Isn’t the age relative to time spent in the minors? He’s only pitched 2 seasons. Not exaclty a lifer.
No, but his room for error is less than that of a younger player, just because one more big setback would begin to interfere with his prime years.
Liriano is no CC, thats where the sabermetrics miss the boat!
Liriano isn’t worth Bets and Bans. Why? Can’t find one trade for a TOR starter that netted something similar. I think we have to learn to tame down our prospect proposals.
As for Brackman, he’s had exactly 1 injury in his career. He had TJ surgery right out of college and that is it. How does he get the injury prone tag already?
Santana for the 35th and 53rd rated, BA, prospects plus 2 more. Betances and Banuelos are in the 40s. Add in 2 years at less than $15 mil total and Liriano should bring back more…
Carlons Gomez @ #52 pre-2008 ranking (moved from #60 in ’07)
Phil Humber @ Not ranked (fell down from #73 in ’07)
Deolis Guerra @ #35 pre-08 (not ranked before)
It would be hypocritical of me to question their opinions of any of the above but Guerra’s burst on to the chart @ #35 was his one and only time being ranked on their list. Odd. Humber had already begun to look more suspect than prospect.
Santana had already established himself w/ 2 Cy Young awards and 4 top 5 finishes at the time of the trade, had a injury free career and was easily one of the most dominant pitchers in baseball.
Liriano showed us 1 great rookie season (16 starts) followed by three years of either recovery from TJ surgery and inconsistency before posting another good season. He has yet to have 1 season of 200 IP and has yet to show he can put together two healthy seasons.
That being said, Liriano might be worthy of one true blue chip pitcher and 2 “b” type prospects. Any team trading for him will hedge their concerns over his health against what they give up for him.
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Pardon my ignorace. How does Bowden play into this?
that was the joke
i think
I used to listen to MLB Network radio from time to time, and Jim Bowden is priceless. He had an hour long rant about how the Vernon Wells trade was good for the Angels, and then I kind of zoned out after I heard “plays the game the right way”about 12 times. A hilarious reminder as to why no one will let him work in baseball again!
I’ve been trying to pardon your ignorance since day one…
(I kid, I kid)
ouch.
But Question about “Nobody”….
Can they pitch?
BC
Nobody can definitely pitch. Nobody can pitch like nobody. No way, no how.
Twins have maxed their payroll and beyond. Thome/Kubel/Cuddyer/Nathan are in walk years.
If anything, the Twins will be buying a rental this year, not selling. Bring Liriano’s name up in hot stove talk if the Twins are 10 GB in July.
IF the twins are 10 back of my tigers that doesnt matter, they always catch us and walk away with the crown.
I can’t help but feel all this publicity about the Yankees’ incompetence in the rotation must be lowering the teams confidence in themselves. Don’t they have around eight options right now? Why not just see what happens over the course of ST and then make public statements about looking for trades and such?
I don’t think he’s making statements about looking for a trade at all. In fact he’s saying the opposite. That there’s nothing out there better than what he already has thus sending a message to all in camp that you need to step up because we are open to whoever shows they want it most. For once, there is real competition in ST.
If there’s one thing major league players don’t have a problem with it is confidence. Most of them have very high egos because people have been telling them how good they are all their lives.
There’s Cashman thinking he’s better than everyone else again…
Cashman’s teams have won a few world series!
lulz
brett cecil for Montero !
sell high!
Kazmir for A-Rod.
On a more serious note, i think that virtually every player is available (with the exception of some young stars and some guys with NTC). It just really depends on the price. Sure the Yankees could probably almost get any pitcher out there, but it will come at a steep price. And the price gets bumped up for teams because they know the yanks want another arm.
Didn’t Liriano come in to training camp out of shape? I say lets see how desperate the Yanks can get, even better that Cashman said nobody is available brings the price up….that being said I feel confident this is just NY media getting bored and probably not going to happen especially since its only NYY getting mentioned if Liriano was available wouldn’t we hear of other teams offering up something its not like he is expensive
He was skipping his shoulder strengthening exercises. They say he’s good to go now.
He was skipping his shoulder strengthening exercises. He’s good to go now.
He was skipping his shoulder strengthening exercises. He’s good to go now. He wasn’t out of shape.
Third time trying to post this….
I give up. First it doesn’t show and then it shows all three.
For sale: 1 Kenshin Kawakami
Price: remainder of contract (will consider one or two nobody minor leaguers if offered)
Sincerely,
The Atlanta Braves
If Liriano is really available and could be had for Joba and a couple prospects Cashmen should do it. Liriano appears to have some big years ahead and it wouldn’t hurt having another great lefty to matchup with the Sox in the playoffs. They should hold onto Montero though if possible.
If he could be had so cheaply every team would be in on him…or almost every team, which would lead to driving up the price. I’m sure some other team out there could and would easily top Joba and a couple of prospects.
His price should already be high anyway. He’s extremely cheap for a guy with ace stuff and he’s under control for two years at a cheap price overall (no more than $15 million for two years). The only thing that would make teams question is his health. After pitching over 200 innings last year (including winter ball) he may be past all of that. This year will show…one way or another.
why would they trade their ace? They are not in a rebuilding mode and they can yet again seriously compete for the AL Central title this year.
Joba is still very young I wouldn’t write him off yet, if his velocity stays in the upper 90s he will have a good year. Spring training is not always a good place to evaluate players because players are still not in game shape, but early velocity is a good sign for Joba. You add to that location and deception and you are in bussiness. Joba’s biggest problem is that he did so well when he first came up, the hype was too much for him to live up too.
“Nobody’s available” – Brian Cashman
That is why you have a farm system, give the young guys a chance.
Ben like all of the writers on this site is accurate and very credible. Brian Cashman like all other GMs has no credibility.