The Blue Jays are still showing interest in Royals ace Zack Greinke, reports Bob Elliott of The Toronto Sun. They inquired about the right-hander last month, and Elliott hears that the Jays believe the need "one more big piece" to make a run at the AL East title next season.
The Twins, Rangers, Braves, Reds, Mariners, and Nationals have all inquired about Greinke according to Elliott. The Royals have said they won't trade the former Cy Young Award winner within their division, limiting their options somewhat. The market for Greinke could heat up once Cliff Lee signs, since both the Rangers and Yankees could turn their attention towards him since he's the only other ace-caliber starter that we know is available.
Braves interested in Grienke? Where would a package even begin with that regard? Jurrjens?
Not Jurrjens…
Here’s how I see it…
Braves: Mike Minor, Randall Delgado, Carlos Perez, and Christian Bethancourt
Rangers: Derek Holland, Engel Beltre, and Jurrickson Profar
Twins: Aaron Hicks and Kyle Gibson
Mariners: Michael Pineda, Nick Franklin, and Ramon Morla
Nationals: Drew Storen, Derek Norris, and Danny Espinosa
Reds: Billy Hamilton, Mike Leake and Devin Mesoraco
Angels: Hank Conger, Fabio Martinez Mesa, and Jordan Walden
Yankees: Jesus Montero, Dellin Betances, Joba Chamberlain, and David Adams
Blue Jays: Kyle Drabek, Travis Snider, Anthony Gose, and Matt Daly
Astros: Jordan Lyles, Jason Castro, Albert Cartwright, and J.D. Martinez
Cardinals: Colby Rasmus
Rockies: Tyler Matzek, Ian Stewart, Esmil Rogers, and Dexter Fowler
Mets: Not going to happen.
Forgot to mention…
Brewers: Jeffress, Lawrie, Odorizzi, and Rogers.
Or just pitch Rogers next season and have 3 top prospects still in the system.
Escobar would likely be asked to get by the Royals and the Brewers would probably say no. Odorizzi and Lawrie would be the centerpiece with Jefferss as the 3rd.
Keep in mind guys, your getting 2 years of an ace at a cheaper price then he would be on the open market. Also, good chance that Greinkes new team would be asked by Greinke for an extension
Escobar would likely be asked to get by the Royals and the Brewers would probably say no. Odorizzi and Lawrie would be the centerpiece with Jefferss as the 3rd.
Keep in mind guys, your getting 2 years of an ace at a cheaper price then he would be on the open market. Also, good chance that Greinkes new team would be asked by Greinke for an extension
Or just pitch Rogers next season and have 3 top prospects still in the system.
Jeffress, Lawrie, Odorizzi, and Rogers…
This is for Greinke, Moustakas and Montgomery, right?
No, for two years of an ace that could nab a division title at the very least for 2 years. Jefferss has real control problems and has only put up great numbers for a season. Rogers isn’t a sure thing, thus its 2 blue chippers and more.
The experts I’ve spoken to believe that my offers are in fact light.
No, for two years of an ace that could nab a division title at the very least for 2 years. Jefferss has real control problems and has only put up great numbers for a season. Rogers isn’t a sure thing, thus its 2 blue chippers and more.
The experts I’ve spoken to believe that my offers are in fact light.
No, for two years of an ace that could nab a division title at the very least for 2 years. Jefferss has real control problems and has only put up great numbers for a season. Rogers isn’t a sure thing, thus its 2 blue chippers and more.
The experts I’ve spoken to believe that my offers are in fact light.
Jeffress, Lawrie, Odorizzi, and Rogers…
This is for Greinke, Moustakas and Montgomery, right?
Jeffress, Lawrie, Odorizzi, and Rogers…
This is for Greinke, Moustakas and Montgomery, right?
I think you are WAY overvaluing Grienke…
There’s no way he’s worth Drabek, Gose AND Snider plus others for one year of a pitcher
2 years of an ace.
Here’s the thing, from what I’ve heard from people close to Greinke, including Rany Jazayerli, Greinke due to some of his feelings, only has the will do pitch well when his team is doing well. I’d you remember, back in 09 the Royals got off to an awesome start, thus he was pitching fantastic until late may when the Royals started to play poorly. Then in mid-August when he figured that he was in the Cy Young mix, he started to pitch much better. His value is actually very high right now. He finished 7th in the league in WAR and going to the Jays, a winning team, he would he energized mentally to go out and compete every time out. So they’d be getting a mix of the Greinke of 08 and 09.
2 years of an ace.
Here’s the thing, from what I’ve heard from people close to Greinke, including Rany Jazayerli, Greinke due to some of his feelings, only has the will do pitch well when his team is doing well. I’d you remember, back in 09 the Royals got off to an awesome start, thus he was pitching fantastic until late may when the Royals started to play poorly. Then in mid-August when he figured that he was in the Cy Young mix, he started to pitch much better. His value is actually very high right now. He finished 7th in the league in WAR and going to the Jays, a winning team, he would he energized mentally to go out and compete every time out. So they’d be getting a mix of the Greinke of 08 and 09.
You’re a solid poster, but no way some of those deals go down. A trend worth nothing over the last few years is the skyrocketing value of having cost-controlled high-ceiling young talent. Yes, Greinke could put a team over the top, but for say the Jays to gut their organization of that level of talent is asinine. Are they really on the verge of overtaking the Yankees and Red Sox? No chance.
Same with a team like the Nats. All three of those guys are expected to be a huge part of the future success of the franchise. That’s a team that needs to ADD talent, not deal three for one.
I of course say this with all due respect.
I hear you Dave, and do agree that my Jays and Nationals offers were a bit too much, but I think most of the offers are fair.
Think about what your getting. 2 years of an ace who’s bring paid less than he would get on the open market. he was 7th in the league in WAR and there are strong indications that he will have a much better season not on the Royals.
Solid post, but my problem with the jays trade is that the jays coudnt get both drabek and gose in the same deal for halladay, remember they had to make a few trades to get gose from the astros who acquired gose from the phillys in the oswalt deal last season.. not sure they would make that deal with that in mind
I hear you Dave, and do agree that my Jays and Nationals offers were a bit too much, but I think most of the offers are fair.
Think about what your getting. 2 years of an ace who’s bring paid less than he would get on the open market. he was 7th in the league in WAR and there are strong indications that he will have a much better season not on the Royals.
I hear you Dave, and do agree that my Jays and Nationals offers were a bit too much, but I think most of the offers are fair.
Think about what your getting. 2 years of an ace who’s bring paid less than he would get on the open market. he was 7th in the league in WAR and there are strong indications that he will have a much better season not on the Royals.
well obviously some of those deals dont go down. you can only trade him once. they are just ideas, i dont see you giving any ideas
If you want ideas, here you go. If we assume Greinke is traded, I think the favorites are the Rangers, Braves, and the Reds. I think Span’s proposals for all three teams are pretty reasonable actually. With all the young offensive talent the Royals have in the organization, he’s going to go to a team that can afford to give up young pitching, preferably a couple very solid guys. Each of the three teams mentioned here has the pitching to deal.
Reds: Leake, Wood, and Hamilton (infielder)
Texas: Holland is a great start. Add in Scheppers and you’re at least close.
Braves: Delgado, Vizcaino (assuming the medical records are clean), and Perez
ok… those seem fair
I don’t know if I give up both Leake and Wood, in a deal… Maybe Leake, Bailey, and whoever from the minors, or Wood, minor league good pitcher, and another good prospect. Both Leake and Wood seem like pitchers that are both going to be good middle of the rotation guys at worst at the big league level.
If you want ideas, here you go. If we assume Greinke is traded, I think the favorites are the Rangers, Braves, and the Reds. I think Span’s proposals for all three teams are pretty reasonable actually. With all the young offensive talent the Royals have in the organization, he’s going to go to a team that can afford to give up young pitching, preferably a couple very solid guys. Each of the three teams mentioned here has the pitching to deal.
Reds: Leake, Wood, and Hamilton (infielder)
Texas: Holland is a great start. Add in Scheppers and you’re at least close.
Braves: Delgado, Vizcaino (assuming the medical records are clean), and Perez
You’re a solid poster, but no way some of those deals go down. A trend worth nothing over the last few years is the skyrocketing value of having cost-controlled high-ceiling young talent. Yes, Greinke could put a team over the top, but for say the Jays to gut their organization of that level of talent is asinine. Are they really on the verge of overtaking the Yankees and Red Sox? No chance.
Same with a team like the Nats. All three of those guys are expected to be a huge part of the future success of the franchise. That’s a team that needs to ADD talent, not deal three for one.
I of course say this with all due respect.
You’re a solid poster, but no way some of those deals go down. A trend worth nothing over the last few years is the skyrocketing value of having cost-controlled high-ceiling young talent. Yes, Greinke could put a team over the top, but for say the Jays to gut their organization of that level of talent is asinine. Are they really on the verge of overtaking the Yankees and Red Sox? No chance.
Same with a team like the Nats. All three of those guys are expected to be a huge part of the future success of the franchise. That’s a team that needs to ADD talent, not deal three for one.
I of course say this with all due respect.
so pretty much ur saying greinke is a diva and will only perform well if his team is winning. not a player i want on my team. hes also had a history of anxiety issues and said he didnt want to pitch for a high market team. i think in the AL east he will be a huge bust.
That is in fact part of his anxiety issues. The Jays are a large market team but not a large media market and huge ballpark fan base type of team. This isn’t NY and he pitches at AL East parks every year why wouldn’t he do well is he was on the Jays?
because he would have to compete against the AL teams a hell of a lot more
So what’s the differene? 12 or so starts compared to 6? Not a crazy difference. It doesn’t matter as long as he’s not on one of those teams.
u might be right. still a good baseball conversation so thank you. id rather AA focus on soria because our rotation is the last thing we need to upgrade. id rather focus on our weakness instead of improving our strengths.
Its a great Baseball conversation and personally, I agree, why should the Jays mess with their rotation?
are u a jays fan?
The Jays are a team that I really do like, I might be working for the Fisher Cats next summer. I go to tons of their games.
“Popcorn! Get your popcorn here!”
More in terms of management.
buddy i don’t know what you think you’ve been told but high school kids don’t get management jobs with professional sport teams
Its an internship, and ill be in college next year.
so pretty much ur saying greinke is a diva and will only perform well if his team is winning. not a player i want on my team. hes also had a history of anxiety issues and said he didnt want to pitch for a high market team. i think in the AL east he will be a huge bust.
so pretty much ur saying greinke is a diva and will only perform well if his team is winning. not a player i want on my team. hes also had a history of anxiety issues and said he didnt want to pitch for a high market team. i think in the AL east he will be a huge bust.
It makes no sense for the Jays to give up Snider. As good as Greinke is, dealing Snider just creates one more hole in the field.
Well getting Greinke would solidify the rotation even more.
Well getting Greinke would solidify the rotation even more.
the rangers one seems fairly even. Reds one seems a bit light. The rest i wouldn’t touch.
I actually thought the Reds was the heaviest of them all. Do you like or not like the others I didn’t get it?
And its funny because everyone sees the Rangers as the logical choice.
Something to think about as well, Greinke can approve or deny a trade to 15 teams. The Rangers are not one of them.
I actually thought the Reds was the heaviest of them all. Do you like or not like the others I didn’t get it?
And its funny because everyone sees the Rangers as the logical choice.
Something to think about as well, Greinke can approve or deny a trade to 15 teams. The Rangers are not one of them.
I actually thought the Reds was the heaviest of them all. Do you like or not like the others I didn’t get it?
And its funny because everyone sees the Rangers as the logical choice.
Something to think about as well, Greinke can approve or deny a trade to 15 teams. The Rangers are not one of them.
What’s the deal Ferrariman? No shopped Cardinals hat in your avatar?
i know its a little off topic, but what happened to the avatar you had? i liked that one. now i dont even know who you are.
the rangers one seems fairly even. Reds one seems a bit light. The rest i wouldn’t touch.
Please stop with your insane proposals.
Drabek + Snider + Gose? Are you high? I wouldn’t be willing to trade Drabek + Snider let alone ++.
Since when is Snider the greatest thing since Sliced bread? Everyond overvalues him, but regardless, a move putting the Jays over the top plus Gose who may never reach his potential…i’d do that deal.
The Jays could then be the early favorites for the east
Uhh Snider hit 14 homers in half the season. The kid is only 22 and improving. Has incredible raw power. Drabek has ace potential. Gose like ANY prospect may never reach his potential… or he might.
Early favorites? Lol, that doesn’t even make them wildcard favorites.
BTW, you overvalue Grienke way too much.
No I don’t overvalue Greinke at all. Perhaps you don’t understand how he operates Royals.
Gose has already played 3 seasons of proball and hasn’t done a thing and Greinke had a fine season last year believe it or not. His simple stats like wins and ERA suggest he had a bad season, but he didn’t.
Why do you overvalue Snider and Gose? Snider did have a good “half” season but seeing recent “Snider types” fail, I don’t have confidence in him and I do think he will not live up to the hype. Regardless, these are 3 young players for 2 years of an ace for a good price.
According to experts, he doesn’t pitch well when there’s nothing to pitch for. And recent circumstances back that up. Being on the Jays could come with a Felix Hernandez like 29+ quality starts and a WAR even better than last season?
Yes you do and please do explain how he operates the Royals? He is an ace and a good pitcher but this is a proposal that’s worth more than Halladay or even Gonzalez offer.
Uhh sorry if those guys haven’t proven much yet but look at how young they are and just because they haven’t proven much doesn’t mean you go out trading guys with great potential just because they haven’t proven anything. Snider was what, a top 5-10 prospect recently and he’s improved since then. Lost his fat, and is more athletic and better defensively. Still ONLY 22 whereas most guys are still in the minors at that age and it’s only because of injuries he hasn’t played a full season yet.
Gose is what, 20 years old? What the hell do you expect out of him in 3 years of pro ball? Become the best prospect and be up in the big leagues?
2 years of an ace for a horrible price.
And lol @ Felix comparison. One is a top 3 pitcher and the other is probably not even a top 10 pitcher in the league.
First of all, I just did explain how he operates. Back on 09 the Royals got off to a great start and Greinke felt motivated to pitch well, when the Royals were on a 4 month slide he didn’t feel motivated, and when he realize he was in the Cy Young hunt he stepped it up. This is all according to professional scouts and writers including Rany Jazayerli.
It is 2 years whereas Halladay was one year, and still at the time I think Drabek, Wallace, and D’Arnaud is close to Snider/Drabek/and Gose. Plus, Greinke ranked 7th in Baseball in WAR last year, his FB and slider topped put faster then the year before, and again, his mental issues would be different elsewhere.
Most high school prospects have a decent sophomore season or 3rd season. Gose might be a late bloomer, but nothing suggests, especially from scoutsand experts, that he’ll succeed in AA. Upside and potential aside that is.
I realize that Snider is in better shape, but again, he has had time to prove that he can succeed at the Major League level and I’ve watched him play in the minors and Majors and although I like him a lot, KC needs talent in return. Thus, I think Drabek/Snider/Gose would be fair.
You said in your earlier post “According to experts, he doesn’t pitch well when there’s nothing to pitch for.” –How is that a good thing that a player needs motivation to pitch well? Doesn’t matter if you’re playing on a bad or good team. He is an athlete and should be able to pitch his best no matter what situation he is in.
It was Halladay with extension and Drabek/Snider/Gose is not the same as Drabek/Wallace/D’Arnaud. Snider has the most potential out of all of them and while he hasn’t succeeded at the major league level, it’s because he hasn’t been given that much time as you may think. He was starting to play great this year and ended up with an injury. Came back slowly but he started heating up.
Uhh you do know Gose is 19 years old and was playing at high A ball? He was younger than most players there and what scouts/experts are you talking about?
Whatever, we’ll agree to disagree. You may think that’s a fair offer but I think it’s a horrible one.
Well we’ve agreed on lots of other things, so we’ll agree on something else soon, people do disagree on certain things.
I know you obviously know your Baseball, I was. Just stating my opinion
Here is why the Jays would never trade away Snider, Gose and Drabek for Greinke. One, Drabek is going to be an ace like starter for the Jays. He skipped Double-A to pitch in the MLB for three games and posted an ERA under five which is impressive, considering he never pitched at AAA. Two, Snider is simply an All-Star in the making. He is only 21, and he has been in and out of the bigs for three years. On top of that, include Gose with that trade. That is plain stupid, sorry for the harshness, but it is ridiculous to even post this.
He didn’t skip AA. I saw him pitch in AA many times
Triple-A, my bad. Short term, yeah, that sounds like a good idea. The Jays might have 1 or 2 good seasons, depending on who else they get. But in the long run, their shooting themselves in the foot, trading away their franchise basically.
What I meant was,
I know you obviously know your Baseball. I was just stating my opinion.
We traded Wallace for Gose so we clearly value him more, if anything Drabek’s value to the Jays has gone up (ECL pitcher of the year and all) plus Snider has a ton more value than D’Arnaud. No piece of that deal is of less value than what the Jays got for Halladay PLUS it was not 1 year of Halladay the only reason we got those players from Philly is extension Halladay signed.
I liked a lot of your trades that you proposed SPANdemonium but with this Jays one you are just wrong. Way, way, way too much to give up.
We traded Wallace for Gose so we clearly value him more, if anything Drabek’s value to the Jays has gone up (ECL pitcher of the year and all) plus Snider has a ton more value than D’Arnaud. No piece of that deal is of less value than what the Jays got for Halladay PLUS it was not 1 year of Halladay the only reason we got those players from Philly is extension Halladay signed.
I liked a lot of your trades that you proposed SPANdemonium but with this Jays one you are just wrong. Way, way, way too much to give up.
No I don’t overvalue Greinke at all. Perhaps you don’t understand how he operates Royals.
Gose has already played 3 seasons of proball and hasn’t done a thing and Greinke had a fine season last year believe it or not. His simple stats like wins and ERA suggest he had a bad season, but he didn’t.
Why do you overvalue Snider and Gose? Snider did have a good “half” season but seeing recent “Snider types” fail, I don’t have confidence in him and I do think he will not live up to the hype. Regardless, these are 3 young players for 2 years of an ace for a good price.
According to experts, he doesn’t pitch well when there’s nothing to pitch for. And recent circumstances back that up. Being on the Jays could come with a Felix Hernandez like 29+ quality starts and a WAR even better than last season?
Since when is Snider the greatest thing since Sliced bread? Everyond overvalues him, but regardless, a move putting the Jays over the top plus Gose who may never reach his potential…i’d do that deal.
The Jays could then be the early favorites for the east
Since when is Snider the greatest thing since Sliced bread? Everyond overvalues him, but regardless, a move putting the Jays over the top plus Gose who may never reach his potential…i’d do that deal.
The Jays could then be the early favorites for the east
you blue jays fans on here need an attitude adjustment I’ve heard more nasty comments out of you guys than any other team combined
snider lover
need i say more?
I would not give up Bethancourt in a deal. Sorry.
I don’t want to lose Bethancourt either and in my opinion the Royals wouldn’t want him. He’s only nineteen and catchers take awhile to develop and are by no means a sure thing. I think Randall Delgado, JJ Hoover and Mycal Jones might get it done. I’d say add another B prospect but Frank Wren is a bandit at trading and would possibly find some way of wrestling one of the three I listed out of it.
only one of those is a great prospect, Royals wont do it.
I would not give up Bethancourt in a deal. Sorry.
I would not give up Bethancourt in a deal. Sorry.
Yeah, ok at the Braves package. Not even Frank Wren is that dumb. I think you undervalue prospects and over value the tradee. Grenkie had one lights out year, he’s a number 2-3 starter right now. No way we risk giving up 2 projected 2-3 and our top relief prospect for 2 years of that. No one would. Especially since Minor is already majors ready.
You don’t know Greinkes situation it seems like. He can only pitch well when he’s in a winning situation or a comfortable one according to experts. When the Royals play well, he pitches outstanding. He is an ace and he actually had a great season.
Why would any team pay for a pitcher who is going to half-ass it if his team isn’t winning? Toronto, even with Grienke, has very little chance surpassing Boston or NY for a spot in the postseason.
His “situation” is pretty pathetic if you ask me. The kid is being paid millions of dollars to pitch about 33 games a season. Suck it up.
Okay lets present the fans of my favorite team as ignorant morons. Greinke posted a Low 3’s FIP, Mid 3s XFIP and similar tRAThe ONLY Braves starters that beat either numbers: Lowe had a better Xfip, Hanson with a better tRA. tRA is generally accepted as the most effective pitching stat for universal performance and you are highly mistaken if you think that Greinke is not an ace pitcher.
Its not worth giving up Delgado for. We have enough depth though we can build a package with bulk rather than top end talent though. Or trade Jurrjens who will be gone sooner rather than later anyways.
Yeah, ok at the Braves package. Not even Frank Wren is that dumb. I think you undervalue prospects and over value the tradee. Grenkie had one lights out year, he’s a number 2-3 starter right now. No way we risk giving up 2 projected 2-3 and our top relief prospect for 2 years of that. No one would. Especially since Minor is already majors ready.
here’s a question for ya spanny boy. Give that much up, or just sign cliff lee?
Greinke is cheaper and i’d rather have Greinke over the next 2 years than Lee over the next 5
If you’re talking about any team other than the Yankees, I’d probably agree depending on the package required to land Greinke.
I’m not talking about the Yankees
If you’re talking about any team other than the Yankees, I’d probably agree depending on the package required to land Greinke.
Greinke is cheaper and i’d rather have Greinke over the next 2 years than Lee over the next 5
Greinke is cheaper and i’d rather have Greinke over the next 2 years than Lee over the next 5
here’s a question for ya spanny boy. Give that much up, or just sign cliff lee?
here’s a question for ya spanny boy. Give that much up, or just sign cliff lee?
oh my god! for that package from the jays then u better be throwing soria in there too.
Yeah right. All 3 of those prospects are over hyped.
I got a chance to see Drabek pitch a ton for the Fisher Cats this year. His stats are better than he is.
Yeah right. All 3 of those prospects are over hyped.
I got a chance to see Drabek pitch a ton for the Fisher Cats this year. His stats are better than he is.
Yeah right. All 3 of those prospects are over hyped.
I got a chance to see Drabek pitch a ton for the Fisher Cats this year. His stats are better than he is.
oh my god! for that package from the jays then u better be throwing soria in there too.
oh my god! for that package from the jays then u better be throwing soria in there too.
i love it when you do this lol
I love doing it! Haha. Expect to see it a lot more.
ok everyone, now people are just overdoing it. a few people saying things is one thing, but after 12 people make the exact same comment, it starts getting ridiculous.
dude..this has got to be about the 5th different package you have said that the Rangers would trade..calm down
dude..this has got to be about the 5th different package you have said that the Rangers would trade..calm down
Final offer, Holland/Beltre/Profar
sounds good to me, much better than Perez/Schep plus Beltre plus ect
I think whatever happens Perez stays in Texas simply because the Royals wouldn’t do anything with him. Their system is stocked with lefties. Holland on the other hand is a Major Leaguer.
Greinke isn’t that valuable to The Jays, and I really can’t see them getting rid of Gose in that package considering they apparently covet him so much.
Gose is the one you can’t see them giving up in that package!? Drabek and Snider fine. But you want GOSE!? NO DEAL! LOL
No, you obviously missed my point.
I can’t really see them giving up Snider, Drabek and Gose together at all. After trading Halladay for Drabek/D’Arnaud/Taylor, then flipping Taylor to The A’s for Wallace, then Wallace for Gose, I just can’t see that they’d trade him after (like I said) coveting him to that much and working that hard to acquire him.
It really depends on how you see Greinke compared to Halladay. If you think Greinke is better…a package with Drabek, Gose, + doesn’t seem ridiculous. Greinke was the Cy Young at age 25 plus started MLB at age 20. Drabek simply can’t compare.
The big issue with Greinke is his inconsistency. A wild card. You can easily get burnt by him.
When you look back at Halladay’s career from ages21 to 27, you can see a strong similarity to Greinke. A big drop off year after winning the Cy Young at age 26.
Although I was initially aghast by SPANdemonium’s suggestion, I do see a lot of merit to it.
Greinke isn’t that valuable to The Jays, and I really can’t see them getting rid of Gose in that package considering they apparently covet him so much.
“Blue Jays: Kyle Drabek, Travis Snider, Anthony Gose, and Matt Daly”
That’s more then the Jays got for Halladay no way they give up close to that
Drabek isn’t going anywhere either and if they give up anyone on their major league roster it definitely isn’t Snider. Plus Anthopolous gave up Brett Wallace because he liked Gose so much, I doubt he’s included as well.
I think more realistically the trade would have to start with Marcum, and Zach Stewart. It would probably take a couple more players to get the deal done. Perhaps Jake Marisnick and JP Arencibia?
What do you KC fans think? Is Marcum, Stewart, Marisnick and JP Arencibia enough?
As a Blue Jays fan I personally think it might be a little much only because we are still a couple years from being real contenders…
“Blue Jays: Kyle Drabek, Travis Snider, Anthony Gose, and Matt Daly”
That’s more then the Jays got for Halladay no way they give up close to that
Drabek isn’t going anywhere either and if they give up anyone on their major league roster it definitely isn’t Snider. Plus Anthopolous gave up Brett Wallace because he liked Gose so much, I doubt he’s included as well.
I think more realistically the trade would have to start with Marcum, and Zach Stewart. It would probably take a couple more players to get the deal done. Perhaps Jake Marisnick and JP Arencibia?
What do you KC fans think? Is Marcum, Stewart, Marisnick and JP Arencibia enough?
As a Blue Jays fan I personally think it might be a little much only because we are still a couple years from being real contenders…
are you crazy? you go from 4 top prospects for some teams to colby rasmus staight up? that deal wouldn’t even go down in 2k10 man you’re nuts.
yo calm down. he is entitled to his opinion. and also, you must be crazy if you that the deal wouldnt go down on 2k10, i just tried it and it did. check and mate.
A. Fine, it’s my opinion he’s crazy and I’m entitled to it 🙂 and B. You went and checked to see if it’d go down? You’re prolly more amped up than me now.
well that and im sitting in front of my ps3 with a laptop right now.
well there you go. I don’t give it, I’m just pointing out that SPANdemonium has too much of a gap in talent in each of his evaluations. I was also kind of hoping rasmus wouldn’t be rated as high as greinke so my analogy would make more sense >_<
I think you are WAYYYY over stating Grienke’s current value. Zack begins making $13.5M this year, unless he posts better than the Joe Blanton-esque season that he posted in 2010, I don’t think any of those packages would be realistic. The teams giving up the prospects would be FAR over paying.While he was still better than average in 2010, the Royals would be wise in this case to showcase Grienke this year and move him at the deadline. If he can post a 3 or so WAR going into the deadline, they can make the case that 2010 was an aberration and that he really is the pitcher we saw in 2008 and 2009. Moving him now would be selling low.
These are the type of packages that would be realistic for Justin Upton. 21 years old, under a VERY team friendly contract, and 5 years away from free agency. For Grienke all of these packages are too much.
Braves should include Teheran
span…. Travis Snider Anthony Gose, Kyle Drabek and Matt Daly for 2 years of Grienke…??
Did you break in to your parents liquor cabinet tonight??? That is actually the most absurd trade proposal I’ve ever heard
edit: I have edited out my outrage at a certain ludicrous post, in order for there not to be too much repetition in the comments.
Span, and anyone else who wants to chime in, what are your thoughts on this offer from the BoSox:
Dice-K + $5MM Cash;
Felix Doubrount;
Stolmy Pimentel; and
Drake Britton.
Wouldn’t get it done in my opinion
Wouldn’t get it done in my opinion
i heard the royals are condsireding trading grenkie to the brewers for ryan braun and another prospect?
Error was caught and fixed, feel free to get back to commenting on the topic at hand!
There’s an error in Mike’s post. He put the Braves.
It’s happened a whole lot lately, though. Sorry, Tim, I know it’s a busy season for you all but you guys have been getting sloppy these days.
cry about it
hey, dont talk to carl pavano like that lol
The fact that Carl Pavano actually liked pastlives response gave me a laugh.
hey, dont talk to carl pavano like that lol
hey, dont talk to carl pavano like that lol
When are you planning on signing with the Twins?? We need you Pav.
“Giants Still Showing Interest in Zito” would have been funnier.
The Jays are not one piece away…if AA goes all in way too early then it might be the major downfall of his fm career…he’s made some very good moves since becoming GM but jumping the gun and selling the farm before the team is ready to compete could have fans calling for his head
Rightfully so. The Jays shouldn’t get in on Greinke, they’re not quite ready in my opinion.
I agree with the second part but I wouldn’t mind if they traded for Grienke depending on what is being traded. If it’s a fair offer and not something like Drabek+Snider then I’d be fine with it. We could use a legit ace pitcher and I believe Jays can convince Grienke to re-sign if we did get him.
i’m a Jays fan and they’re definitely a solid team but they’re realistically probably 3 big pieces away from making a run – 1 elite bat, a shutdown starter, and a go-to guy in the pen at LEAST
So go out and get them. Grienke, Manny, Guerrier, and they still could get a power bat at 1b-3b. Sometimes these teams look to the future too much.
fair enough but let’s remember there’s undeniably a number of question marks even with those 3 in the fold, and guerrier isn’t the kind of reliever i’m talking about.
How about substituting Heath Bell for Guerrier.
riccardi’s main fault as gm was always mis-evaluating when the time was right to make a push for a WS. so many times the jays would win 85 games he would sign someone like burnett or ryan or overbay and the next season we’d still miss the playoffs.
AA has said before that its not as simple as adding players A, B, and C and automatically getting 10 more wins. grienke is kind of a win now and a win tmrw kind of player, so its within the realm of possibility that the jays could deal for him, i just hope they dont give up too much
To be fair Ryan, Burnett and Overbay were all in one offseason so really he only did it once…
Yeah, I’m not sure where Elliot is getting that. Anything I’ve heard is that they’re taking things slowly and won’t get in the “just one piece away” frameset
Yeah, I’m not sure where Elliot is getting that. Anything I’ve heard is that they’re taking things slowly and won’t get in the “just one piece away” frameset
AND more batters who can get on base AND more speed on the bases AND a few good bullpen pieces AND a solid ace
OK, I agree, but what I an saying is you can’t have a 5 year plan.
OK, I agree, but what I an saying is you can’t have a 5 year plan.
If the Braves were to make a play at Greinke, I’d imagine the Royals would be asking for 2 out of Jurrjens/Hanson/Teheran/Delgado. I doubt the Braves trade any of them. But, if the
Royals would take Jurrjens/Delgado plus maybe two other guys like Jordan Schafer and Ezekial Spruill I’d do it.
I know the Royals probably wouldn’t do it unless Teheran was involved but it would be amazing to send JJ + Delgado/Arodys and a couple other pieces to make that happen. He said he wants to play for a winner, and Atlanta is a great environment for pitchers. He wouldn’t have the pressure of needing to be the ace of the staff getting him all antsy in his pantsy either.
Well, we do have the Drayton Moore/Atlanta connection working in our favor. In the past we’ve offered lackluster packages and gotten the players we wanted. I’m not saying we’ll offer complete crap, but I get the feeling Wren could talk Teheran away from Moore. I’d love to have Greinke in Atlanta.
Wren has been working some magic this winter.
Yes, he has. The Uggla trade was genius. If we had Uggla and Greinke this winter and do nothing else, I’d be satisfied. Maybe add another bullpen arm with Linebrink.
Hold on a minute, Uggla is a great hitter, but I’m sure the pitchers aren’t happy, he is a butcher on defense. I think making the playoffs have made you complacent.
Not complacent at all. I realize the woes of bad defense(see Conrad, Brooks) all too well. But, we’re an offense severely lacking in power. Uggla is probably the best pure power hitting 2B in the MLB right now. We flipped an Omar Infante coming off a career year and a left handed reliever for him. I’ll take it.
utley, cano, hill, kinsler……
cano was the only one of those 4 that put up a higher slugging % and OPS
are you only looking at 1 year?
utley, cano, hill, kinsler……
utley, cano, hill, kinsler……
Not complacent at all. I realize the woes of bad defense(see Conrad, Brooks) all too well. But, we’re an offense severely lacking in power. Uggla is probably the best pure power hitting 2B in the MLB right now. We flipped an Omar Infante coming off a career year and a left handed reliever for him. I’ll take it.
Not complacent at all. I realize the woes of bad defense(see Conrad, Brooks) all too well. But, we’re an offense severely lacking in power. Uggla is probably the best pure power hitting 2B in the MLB right now. We flipped an Omar Infante coming off a career year and a left handed reliever for him. I’ll take it.
The pitchers will be happier since there’s a lot more offense to work with.
Hold on a minute, Uggla is a great hitter, but I’m sure the pitchers aren’t happy, he is a butcher on defense. I think making the playoffs have made you complacent.
Hold on a minute, Uggla is a great hitter, but I’m sure the pitchers aren’t happy, he is a butcher on defense. I think making the playoffs have made you complacent.
i don’t know if i would do Hanson straight up for Grienke.
Neither would I. I’m just saying what the Royals are looking for. They want two ace potential pitchers. We just happen to have 4.
In my opinion, Hanson and Teheran are untouchable…
And I still don’t get how people think Jurrjens has that kind of trade value, he does not at all…He’s not only had some real injury problems lately, but he doesnt have good stuff, he doesn’t miss bats, and he’s going to be heading in to arbitration…Mike Minor and Randall Delgado would be the centerpieces.
Braves don’t have hardly any cash left to spend, they would have to move Lowe in order to trade for Greinke. Plus, the Braves really don’t need him, especially at the expense of two of the Braves top pitching prospects(one of them who’s set to be in the rotation next year). I’m not sure two years of a guy the team doesn’t exactly need would be worth shipping off what Moore would be asking for.
Again, Elliot provided some of the teams, I provided the offers, and if they did have the money, the price will be steep.
I always forget about the cash. Good point. Even if/when we dump half of KK’s salary Wren would have to beg for more payroll. Although, I think trading prospects for someone like Greinke is almost always a good thing. But what do I know…
I always forget about the cash. Good point. Even if/when we dump half of KK’s salary Wren would have to beg for more payroll. Although, I think trading prospects for someone like Greinke is almost always a good thing. But what do I know…
Agreed. If I were Wren I’d be willing to part with say Minor and Delgado plus some lesser prospects, but Greinke makes too much for this rumor to have any legs.
Braves don’t have hardly any cash left to spend, they would have to move Lowe in order to trade for Greinke. Plus, the Braves really don’t need him, especially at the expense of two of the Braves top pitching prospects(one of them who’s set to be in the rotation next year). I’m not sure two years of a guy the team doesn’t exactly need would be worth shipping off what Moore would be asking for.
Braves don’t have hardly any cash left to spend, they would have to move Lowe in order to trade for Greinke. Plus, the Braves really don’t need him, especially at the expense of two of the Braves top pitching prospects(one of them who’s set to be in the rotation next year). I’m not sure two years of a guy the team doesn’t exactly need would be worth shipping off what Moore would be asking for.
I think Kimbrell, Visciano, and Freeman would get the trade done.
Too much in my opinion. I think at this point Kimbrel is untouchable. And the Royals wouldn’t want Freeman because they have Hosmer and Butler. I still think Minor and Delgado plus, would get it done.
I’d be comfortable dealing Minor and Delgado for Greinke. Braves have a plethora of good pitching prospects. Pretty soon a few of them are going to have to be flipped for talent. Now’s as good a time as any.
I’d be comfortable dealing Minor and Delgado for Greinke. Braves have a plethora of good pitching prospects. Pretty soon a few of them are going to have to be flipped for talent. Now’s as good a time as any.
Good point, I think your right!
Freeman is penciled in as the starting 1B with no real other option. No way the Braves would trade him.
If Frank Wren did that I’d personally make sure his wife leaves him and takes the kids
You’re right about JJ. Minor and R. Delgado ++ would be good for both clubs, still. There just doesn’t seem to be any way the Braves can play all those pitchers.
You’re right about JJ. Minor and R. Delgado ++ would be good for both clubs, still. There just doesn’t seem to be any way the Braves can play all those pitchers.
You’re right about JJ. Minor and R. Delgado ++ would be good for both clubs, still. There just doesn’t seem to be any way the Braves can play all those pitchers.
Not sure why the Braves are being brought into the conversation, but okay.
I bet it was on account of the post saying the Braves were one of the teams that had inquired.
Yes, my search was complete. Since you are the biggest Jay’s troll on this forum, I knew I could find some posts from you saying how rediculous it is for another team to be “brought into the conversation” like Toronto has him all but locked up. How did that Uggla situation work out?
it’s somewhat of a trend with fans of the Jays…and I thought everyone from Canada was a nice person
Well at least you’re not classifying us.
Yeah Jays fans are horrible unlike any other fans. You should stop reading their opinions.
Generalizing a team’s entire fanbase like that is ridiculous. Just because some fans might troll and have stupid opinions doesn’t mean that all of us do. Bringing Canada into it at all is questionable as well. Have some tact.
1) I meant Jays fans on this website. There are some of you that I’ve heard lots of nasty comments from.
2)The Canada thing was a joke, no civilized human being would make that sortof generalization and be serious about it. In case you haven’t noticed, one of the running innocent jokes about canadiens is that they’re all really nice and polite person. So if joking about you being nice as a population offended you then I apologize.
No, I’m not offended. I’m a Jays fan first, but I love the MLB and I watch and like players on every team. I don’t make nasty comments, and am frequently on this site. I’m embarassed by the fans that do that make people think that all our fanbase is that ignorant.
Teheran and Hanson are 100% untouchable and with Frank Wren being the trade bandit that he is he’s not going to let anyone take them. I think Delgado would be the center of any deal though
As a KC fan I agree that Teheran and Hanson wouldn’t be moved in a Greinke trade. I think a deal could be made around Delgado + Minor + a lower level arm like Kent. Those are prospects #3,4,17, on Sickles 2011 list. That would give ATL a rotation of Hanson, Hudson, Lowe, Jurrjens, and Greinke, with Beachy in case of an injury. It also leaves ATL with Teheran, Vizcaino, Kimbrel, and Freeman at the top end of the prospects. Greinke prefers to play in the NL, and ATL was the team he followed growing up, so I’m sure they’d get him to OK a trade and an extension.
As far as the Toronto discussion above….I don’t think KC would be looking at Snider, but Drabek I’m sure would be who they are asking for. My feeling is Drabek, a catching prospect, and maybe Thames OR Rzepc? That leaves TOR with a rotation of Marcum, Romero, Morrow, Cecil, and Greinke.
Who knows….but I personally think KC would have more interest in players from ATL or TOR, then TEX or NYY.
Greinke wants to play on a (italics) winning team, so knock Toronto out of that one
They were a “winning team” last year. Presumably Greinke would make them better as well. But I guess you might not know that.
Hmmmmmmmmm.
one more big piece huh? How about Fielder, he is pretty big.
Forget a piece………he’s big enough to count as the whole puzzle..
booyah
I think they mean “impact big” not waist size…
Prince is a good hitter but it’s generally accepted that he’s not going to age well…I would pass even though he’s one of the top jitters in the game
WHOOOOSH
ahahaha
my thoughts exactly.
“Generally accepted” by uninformed MLBTR users?
Prince has proven that he is one of the most durable players in the game, he is still very young, and his skill-set is one that ages well. But hey, if you don’t want him, I’m sure Lyle Overbay would love to come back for another season at 1B. Go for it!
“Generally accepted” by uninformed MLBTR users?
Prince has proven that he is one of the most durable players in the game, he is still very young, and his skill-set is one that ages well. But hey, if you don’t want him, I’m sure Lyle Overbay would love to come back for another season at 1B. Go for it!
“Generally accepted” by uninformed MLBTR users?
Prince has proven that he is one of the most durable players in the game, he is still very young, and his skill-set is one that ages well. But hey, if you don’t want him, I’m sure Lyle Overbay would love to come back for another season at 1B. Go for it!
“Generally accepted” by blog posters? Golly.
“Generally accepted” by blog posters? Golly.
“Generally accepted” by blog posters? Golly.
Are you kidding me??? Make a run at the al east title? LOL. What a joke!!!! How bout the fact that the sox just got gonzalez and are making a run at werth or crawford. How bout thinking about that.
Another narrow-minded Red Sox fan showing his colours. You got Gonzalez but you lose Beltre. Tell me how there was a gain there. Tell me how the Red Sox starting rotation would be better than the Jays if they got Greinke. Tell me how in a rebuilding year, the Jays were only 4 games back of Boston at the end of the year even considering the Red Sox’s injuries.
calm down man.. you’re like the biggest jay homer ever… other than trueblue
But you’re acting like it’s way outside the realm of possibility. And you’re making it seem that it’s only the Red Sox and the Blue Jays in the AL East and there’s only one spot. You’re argument was that because the Red Sox got AGon the Jays aren’t going to be able to make a run at the division. Do you know how moronic that is?
lost martinez too
Another narrow-minded Red Sox fan showing his colours. You got Gonzalez but you lose Beltre. Tell me how there was a gain there. Tell me how the Red Sox starting rotation would be better than the Jays if they got Greinke. Tell me how in a rebuilding year, the Jays were only 4 games back of Boston at the end of the year even considering the Red Sox’s injuries.
And you’re not taking into consideration the Rays falling back and the Yankees taking a step back (if they don’t get Lee).
Turns out the Sox didn’t just get gonzalez either. LMAO
Ya, I love my Jays but it’s pretty hard to say your ‘one piece’ short when you don’t have anyone to play 3rd or 1st next season. Let alone some awesome.
What would it take, Romero + Snider?
Romero, JPA, Stewart…?
I’m thinking less major league talent and more farm talent. The entire reason the royals are looking to trade greinke (and that greinke is looking to get traded) is because they don’t feel they’ll be competitive for at least another three or four years after all. Plus they’ll probably want more in the way of players who will be ready to come up with the rest of the young studs they have on the farm for that reason. I don’t think any prospect can be considered off limits when looking at a prime talent like Greinke, but at the same time don’t see the organization trading Drabek or any of the young major league talent they currently have; with the possible exception of a mid-rotation type like brett cecil perhaps if they can help to anchor a deal.
I also wish people would stop suggesting JPA in every single trade idea like he’s some sort of sacrificial lamb.
I’m thinking less major league talent and more farm talent. The entire reason the royals are looking to trade greinke (and that greinke is looking to get traded) is because they don’t feel they’ll be competitive for at least another three or four years after all. Plus they’ll probably want more in the way of players who will be ready to come up with the rest of the young studs they have on the farm for that reason. I don’t think any prospect can be considered off limits when looking at a prime talent like Greinke, but at the same time don’t see the organization trading Drabek or any of the young major league talent they currently have; with the possible exception of a mid-rotation type like brett cecil perhaps if they can help to anchor a deal.
I also wish people would stop suggesting JPA in every single trade idea like he’s some sort of sacrificial lamb.
I’m thinking less major league talent and more farm talent. The entire reason the royals are looking to trade greinke (and that greinke is looking to get traded) is because they don’t feel they’ll be competitive for at least another three or four years after all. Plus they’ll probably want more in the way of players who will be ready to come up with the rest of the young studs they have on the farm for that reason. I don’t think any prospect can be considered off limits when looking at a prime talent like Greinke, but at the same time don’t see the organization trading Drabek or any of the young major league talent they currently have; with the possible exception of a mid-rotation type like brett cecil perhaps if they can help to anchor a deal.
I also wish people would stop suggesting JPA in every single trade idea like he’s some sort of sacrificial lamb.
they just locked up romero to a long term deal…can’t see them trading him…i bet we’ll see drabek, marcum or morrow get dealt before romero…
drabek, JPA, rzep for greinke…then trade stewart & other for reynolds to play 3rd …sign russel martin and Manny…move lind to 1st
I wonder how much interest my fellow jays fans would have in Martin if he wasn’t Canadian.
just saying JPA is an unproven commodity who’s stock may never be higher… and martin is a 2 time all-star who’s stock may never be lower and happens to be a surprise free agent who actually wants to play on the east cost…or sign miguel olivo…but something is telling me, the jays aren’t sold on JPA, for the same reason they dealt wallace
What is telling you that the jays aren’t sold on JPA? The fact that every jays fan seems eager to unload him in every trade idea because he had a bad 20 at bats in september?
Also, every player can always potentially never have their stock higher than it currently is. That’s a piss poor reason for wanting to unload a major league ready catching prospect. Should every player coming off a good year be traded for the same reason? If not, why single out JPA? Because he’s blocking an injury prone Canadian from joining the team?
Also, every player can always potentially never have their stock higher than it currently is. That’s a piss poor reason for wanting to unload a major league ready catching prospect. Should every player coming off a good year be traded for the same reason? If not, why single out JPA? Because he’s blocking an injury prone Canadian from joining the team?
I’m not saying give away JPA…i’m saying trade him for greinke
our discussion got me searching…kinda intersting…:
fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/when-we-learn-someth…
The flaw in that is, the entire fg article is based off the premise that rumors for pierzynski were real.
the fact that did only get 20 ABs in september says something. the fact that the jays were linked to olivio, buck, pierzynski andrumors about russell kinda stokes the fire…and just a week or so ago, when asked about the catching position specifically, AA said, “When you have a chance to upgrade and a chance to solidify and improve yourself, you continue to do it.”…i really think that says veteran catcher…but we’ll see
“the fact that did only get 20 ABs in september says something. ”
It does, but not what you’re implying. The only person it says anything about is Cito Gaston, and his desire to get John Buck a big contract.
And getting a veteran catcher who can’t hit in no way screams improvement. AA stated that he was still interested in Buck and Olivo because, well, you sort of can’t say otherwise about a player you’re offering arbitration. The AJP rumours were confirmed to be nonsense. The rumours around Martin are at this point entirely the product of people who think the jays roster should consist entirely of Canadians, as opposed to anything even masquerading as official. There is really no reason to think the organization is down on JP.
until they trade him 🙂
You seem pretty confident about this for no particular reason.
true
What is telling you that the jays aren’t sold on JPA? The fact that every jays fan seems eager to unload him in every trade idea because he had a bad 20 at bats in september?
just saying JPA is an unproven commodity who’s stock may never be higher… and martin is a 2 time all-star who’s stock may never be lower and happens to be a surprise free agent who actually wants to play on the east cost…or sign miguel olivo…but something is telling me, the jays aren’t sold on JPA, for the same reason they dealt wallace
they just locked up romero to a long term deal…can’t see them trading him…i bet we’ll see drabek, marcum or morrow get dealt before romero…
drabek, JPA, rzep for greinke…then trade stewart & other for reynolds to play 3rd …sign russel martin and Manny…move lind to 1st
Please explain why Romero would be included at all and why Grienke is such a big upgrade over Romero.
I agree, the sky’s pretty much the limit with Romero, and you pretty much know what you are getting with Zach
Romero? LOL
I don’t think Romero is included at all he’s the Jays best pitcher and fairly cheap for what 4 more seasons?
From the major league roster Cecil and Marcum might be given up, no way Romero or Morrow are included
Did anybody listen to AA on the FAN590 yesterday? Go check it out on their website (on demand). He basically says that all these Jays rumours this year are complete nonsense and that he’s getting annoyed by them. Coming from him, that’s a lot because he basically says NOTHING.
Anybody ever think that the media might be ticked at AA cause he never gives them anything, I mean he can’t just keep saying “no comment” on everything. The guys in the media need information to do their job and AA just doesn’t seem like he wants to talk about anything.
The Braves would never give up Hanson. I like him more Grenk.
The Braves would never give up Hanson. I like him more Grenk.
If it requires Drabek then no way. I’d let Stewart headline the package with Gose, Sierra and one more piece. If it’s more than that the Jays should hold. Clean up the pen, add some pop from DH and find a 3b. Next year is more realistic for them. Be patient with some of these guys.
If it requires Drabek then no way. I’d let Stewart headline the package with Gose, Sierra and one more piece. If it’s more than that the Jays should hold. Clean up the pen, add some pop from DH and find a 3b. Next year is more realistic for them. Be patient with some of these guys.
If it requires Drabek then no way. I’d let Stewart headline the package with Gose, Sierra and one more piece. If it’s more than that the Jays should hold. Clean up the pen, add some pop from DH and find a 3b. Next year is more realistic for them. Be patient with some of these guys.
buh this is from a respected baseball writer in toronto, the guy usually write when he has some inside scoop on things
And one more thing to note he wrote this from the florida .. and AA said he will be there a day earlier ..so maybe there is something going on
But anything that involves Snider is off for me
Maybe this will get it done
1. Drabek
2. JP Arencibia
3. Eric Thames
4. Jake Morisink
For Grienke + contract extension as well .. cuz i donno wanna give up prospects for only 2 yrs of control
maybe a 5 yr / 70 million extension
With a surplus of outfielders, I’d rather trade Snider before giving Drabek away… if I was AA Drabek would be untouchable.
if Greinke comes, theres no spot for Drabek anyways
With a surplus of outfielders, I’d rather trade Snider before giving Drabek away… if I was AA Drabek would be untouchable.
I’d be okay with that deal if a contract extension is involved. If not, I’d still probably trade Drabek/Arencibia/Thames.
buh this is from a respected baseball writer in toronto, the guy usually write when he has some inside scoop on things
And one more thing to note he wrote this from the florida .. and AA said he will be there a day earlier ..so maybe there is something going on
But anything that involves Snider is off for me
Maybe this will get it done
1. Drabek
2. JP Arencibia
3. Eric Thames
4. Jake Morisink
For Grienke + contract extension as well .. cuz i donno wanna give up prospects for only 2 yrs of control
maybe a 5 yr / 70 million extension
buh this is from a respected baseball writer in toronto, the guy usually write when he has some inside scoop on things
And one more thing to note he wrote this from the florida .. and AA said he will be there a day earlier ..so maybe there is something going on
But anything that involves Snider is off for me
Maybe this will get it done
1. Drabek
2. JP Arencibia
3. Eric Thames
4. Jake Morisink
For Grienke + contract extension as well .. cuz i donno wanna give up prospects for only 2 yrs of control
maybe a 5 yr / 70 million extension
If they want Drabek or Snider, I’d hang up the phone. Greinke is a flash in the pan so far, not a top 5 pitcher in the MLB.
Not sure anyone said he was top-five, but I’d say he’s top-15 at this point.
I don’t think anyone has either, but I wouldn’t offer either one of the 2 players I mentioned unless the pitcher was top 5. Top 15 sounds fair, but he’d be around 12-15.
He’s a feel good story, but is a #2-3 starter on most rotations until he can replicate his 2009 season.
Greinke did rank 11th in baseball last year with a 5.2 WAR, so saying he’s a #2 or #3 is a bit of a stretch don’t you think? There are probably 15-20 teams for which he’d be the Opening Day starter.
I don’t think anyone has either, but I wouldn’t offer either one of the 2 players I mentioned unless the pitcher was top 5. Top 15 sounds fair, but he’d be around 12-15.
He’s a feel good story, but is a #2-3 starter on most rotations until he can replicate his 2009 season.
I don’t think anyone has either, but I wouldn’t offer either one of the 2 players I mentioned unless the pitcher was top 5. Top 15 sounds fair, but he’d be around 12-15.
He’s a feel good story, but is a #2-3 starter on most rotations until he can replicate his 2009 season.
Not sure anyone said he was top-five, but I’d say he’s top-15 at this point.
Not sure anyone said he was top-five, but I’d say he’s top-15 at this point.
I think asking for Drabek ++ is fair but I wouldn’t trade Snider at this point. I think a package mostly full of pitchers would intrigue Royals.
Drabek + Jenkins/Alvarez + Marisnick is what I’d offer.
I’d rather offer Stewart, Marisnick, d’Arnaud +
I think that’d get it done if the Jays don’t ask for an extension window.
I don’t think that’s a bad offer but I think they would want a bluechipper coming back and I wouldn’t classify Stewart as a bluechipper. I guess it depends on what they want, if they want a few good prospects than that’s a good offer… but if they want a really good/bluechipper prospect + mid-to-lower level prospects than Drabek would need to be included.
I could live with including Drabek++ for Grienke.
Maybe the Jays could add McGuire as a PTBNL. I believe I read somewhere that a PTBNL has to be chosen in 6 months, so it could fall under the rules of draftees.
I’d rather offer Stewart, Marisnick, d’Arnaud +
I think that’d get it done if the Jays don’t ask for an extension window.
I’d rather offer Stewart, Marisnick, d’Arnaud +
I think that’d get it done if the Jays don’t ask for an extension window.
I think asking for Drabek ++ is fair but I wouldn’t trade Snider at this point. I think a package mostly full of pitchers would intrigue Royals.
Drabek + Jenkins/Alvarez + Marisnick is what I’d offer.
If they want Drabek or Snider, I’d hang up the phone. Greinke is a flash in the pan so far, not a top 5 pitcher in the MLB.
I hope this rumor is only a half truth and the Jays are actually still working towards acquiring Alex Gordon! Thats something I could get excited for!
You would be more excited about acquiring Gordon than Greinke!?
I would think the Jays may try to expand a Greinke package to bring in Gordon, possibly even Soria (though I imagine the Royals price for him would be too high).
I would think the Jays may try to expand a Greinke package to bring in Gordon, possibly even Soria (though I imagine the Royals price for him would be too high).
please tell me this is sarcasm lol
Why? I also would be interested in Alex Gordon.
I hope this rumor is only a half truth and the Jays are actually still working towards acquiring Alex Gordon! Thats something I could get excited for!
I hope this rumor is only a half truth and the Jays are actually still working towards acquiring Alex Gordon! Thats something I could get excited for!
This is just whistling in the wind rumour. If anything its Soria they want.
This is just whistling in the wind rumour. If anything its Soria they want.
This is just whistling in the wind rumour. If anything its Soria they want.
for the Reds package, you need to replace Leake with Bailey, and the catcher with Fransico, and I’d be okay making that deal.
Why not replace Hamilton with Bill Bray while you’re at it?
…and replace Hamilton with Bill Bray right?
Here’s the thing about the Jays in my opinion. They MAY be one piece away from a playoff calibre team. But there are so many question marks for the longterm future to be answered in 2011. Do Hill and Lind rebound? Is Escobar the SS of the future? Does Bautista repeat and can they lock him up? Does Snider breakout? etc. Answer all these questions throughout 2011 and then decide if it’s worth it to give up top prospects for that key piece.
AMEN… i say stick with what we have , maybe drabek get the 5th starter if not bring him up in august let him develop, could turn into a greinke , who knows?
Shouldn’t you trade for the guy you know is Greinke rather than keep the guy that “who knows” might be Greinke.
ya assuming the trade is drabek for greinke… obviously im talking about drabek+++ for greinke… dont be so neive.
You honestly wouldn’t trade Drabek + Stewart + Gose? Or a similar deal? That’s a joke if you wouldn’t make that deal.
Id do it for just about any prospects in our system , except drabek or snider,that’s just my stance ofcourse,but look at what SD recieved for A gon, drabek + stewart + gose is arguably better then that , so im saying we dont even have to part with drabek or snider to get greinke, so thats y IMO its too much if it includes either of them.
I agree. My main concern is Drabek and Snider. People seem to throw around their names as if they’re easily replaceable. I don’t think they should be closed off to adding a big piece, but I would much rather see them hang on to what they have than overpay for someone who might end up not being enough help for a playoff push. Trading Snider would definitely be counterproductive, and trading Drabek could be regrettable.
Trading any prospect can always wind up regrettable, but I don’t think Drabek is quite so irreplaceable. Anthopoulos himself basically called Zack Stewart a very similar prospect. Snider on the other hand, I agree with you.
i get not trading snider, but why Drabek?
if Greinke comes, our rotations will be Greinke, Romero, Marcum, Morrow, and Cecil (holy crap that’s an AMAZING rotation) and theres no spot for Drabek anyways
I don’t disagree at all and there are a lot of fans who think we should make a few signings and trade for Grienke and we would be ready to contend but I don’t believe that. As your above mentioned points, you can also continue with how will Arencibia do as the starting catcher? he is a rookie afterall. Will Bautista prove he is for real and hit 40+ or even 30 homeruns? Will Wells continue playing as well as he did?
There are a lots of questions marks and this division is getting harder and harder. I think for once, Jays need to stay on course and re-build properly for once.
I would have to walk around pantsless for days if ZG got moved to Toronto. Because I would be cumming uncontrolably for several days.
you got some real balls to do that
come on sAntA
but i would keep lunchbox; can see him as 1b of future
1b? do you even watch the blue jays? hes plays in the OF… pretty well to.
but its not like he’s a defensive star…
if it was between lind and snider, i’d have snider on 1B (when he gets older)
He’s not a defensive star but he’s not a liability… he moves pretty well for a guy his size.
lol wow , snider is pretty underrated defensively , this is clear considering youd rather snider at 1st then lind :/ yikes.
jpa+stewart+deck/jenkins+moises sierra/eric thames+hech for zg + alex gordon + soria?
who hangs up first?
deck cant be dealt yet but talk about depleting a farm system loll
deck as ptbnl or chad jenkins, they’re pretty similar so i hear.
KC hangs up as soon as you say the word “Soria”
Soria is just a reliever, I’m sure KC would call back once they realize what kind of offer they’d be turning down.
jays aren;’t looking to find things that make them better for years ahead unless it’s special. ZG is special, JS isn’t. no way the jays are looking for JS now when they could wait next year to make THAT SPECIFIC splash.
to be fair, zach greinke is no roy halladay. unless we get a discount, i wouldn’t dare go after another ace just yet.
No, they wouldn’t. Rumor has it they turned down a Soria-for-Montero deal last season, which anyone with the slightest familiarity with baseball would have told you was a trade which favored the Royals heavily. The Royals get unreasonable about their closer.
Not that they don’t have their reasons – they want a shutdown closer to stabilize the pen while their awesome prospects mature. A good bullpen isn’t worth much, but a bad bullpen is a surefire way to frustrate a young starter.
thats pretty win-win for both
if the jays can find a catcher (Martin?) maybe it happens
A trade for Greinke wouldn’t mean they’re going all in.
They have Tons of draft picks coming up in a deep draft. They have a re-vamped farm system, probably top 10 now. Not to mention lots of major league ready arms.
Yes, they’d give up 2-3 top prospects, but wouldn’t need to gut the farm.
I’m not saying they need to make this trade, but in doing so AA wouldn’t be selling the future. Part of the point of stockpiling young talent it to make the right deals when they come along. This could be one of those times.
Unless the asking price for Greinke is cheap (which it is not – nor should it be). I hope to god the Jays do not think they are close to contenders and potentially deplete their farm system for another pitcher. Greinke is a stud and i would love to have him, but it will take too much to get him, a lot to re-sign him and we would be strengthen our strongest position when we need position players more.
The fact i can list three teams better than the Jays in their division alone should prove that we are not close to being a contender. With the exception of Hill and Lind everyone had career years or close to career years. I hope AA does not use that as a measuring stick. The Jays are NOT close to being a contender and i do not believe AA is that dumb to believe it too.
Wow.. I skimmed through some of the posts and some of you have actually lost your minds. I guess its just my opinion and its open to criticism, but atleast its not completely absurd … giving up snider, gose, and drabek for 2 years of Grienke?…seriously… How does the difference of drabek to grienke but minus snider, gose make the team any better…Gose is a player AA tried to acquire twice, do you honestly think they’ll move him considering he gave up Wallace for him in his most criticized trade?Secondly Elliot is a tool, read some of his stuff, I wouldnt be trusting any of his rumours. No way AA, on a day where the Sox adding Agonz said that this team is 1 player away from an AL title… They need a solid pen, 3rd baseman or rf, a bonafide lead off batter, a catcher, a 1b and for hill, lind,wells, and bautista all to have good years.. 1 player away? no chance, and I bet any money AA doesn’t think that either. Oh and I know small sample size, but check this outRogers Center -6 games 1-4 6.17 ERAYankees Stadium -4 games 0-2 8.82 ERATropicana -6 games 0-4 4.45 ERACamden -3 games 0-0 4.50 ERAFenway -2 games 0-1 1.17 ERAIts only 20 or so starts, but to me its a telling sign, you cant ignore the fact that at most ballparks small sample or not his era hovers around his career mark 2.25-3…. but in 4 of 5 AL east parks his era is 4.50 or higher, fenway is only 7 innings so its hard to take seriously. I wouldn’t trade for Grienke, I don’t think its worth it. . . but the most I would give up isCecil + Arencibia+ Stewart + MarisnickNo Way would I give up Drabek, Snider, Gose for him, not one . . KC has no leverage, who else are they going to trade him to??
I can’t lie but that actually seems like a little too much. Cecil is already pitching like a #3 starter and has dominated the AL East (uhh saywut?) and is still very young. I don’t think he has that ace potential but you never know, he’s improved from last year and still only 23 years old. Could be like Romero IMO. I just don’t want to see any established player getting traded especially when they are already as good as Cecil.
I disagree about the leverage part. There will be plenty of teams interested in Grienke and he still has 2 years on his contract so they are in no rush to move him.
Interesting to see those stats against AL teams, it certainly raises questions.
no rush to move him, but the longer they wait the less they get…
As for Cecil, I like his composure and mound presence, he has good movement on his pitches, he could develop in to a solid mid rotation starter, but I wouldn’t say he “dominated” the AL east, he ERA was over 4 vs tampa and boston, he’s really only pitched well vs the yanks and orioles… I do see him as expendable though, and his value is high now, you have to give something to get something and I’d rather give up him and stewart then drabek…
As for leverage, I see a few other teams matching the deal I proposed and matching a fit for Zack… Texas, Oakland, LAA…
I personally think Morrow is going to be a bonafide Ace, I wouldn’t trade for any pitching at this point, to many other holes to fill
I would say a lot of teams would love to acquire Greinke and have the means to do it as well. A report said they weren’t going to trade with AL central teams but i could see the Brewers, Mariners, Rangers and maybe even the Reds as possibilities.
a) he wants to win.. so although the jays aren’t a perrenial powerhouse, they look to have a brighter immediate future then the mariners and brewers. so you can rule those 2 out.
B) rangers, reds would be a good fit…
but they still lack the leverage of having him open to all teams and having a massive bidding war, because of his no trade and demands.
cecil makes that deal an overpay, look at what sox traded to get Agon(assuming the extension still goes through) your proposal is much better then what boston offered SD, so IMO we wouldnt even have to give up that much considering i dont think u can say greinke is more valuable then Agon. just my 2 cents
Difference is padres traded Agonz knowing they couldnt resign him and only had him for 1 more year, also the contract extension of who could actually paid him moving forward limited the amount of offers…
but it is an overpay for sure I agree there, but it keeps your core prospects.. which should be the goal now…
I thin Grienke is good, but not that good. If they asked for Drabek, Gose, or anyone on the roster I just hang up… Between all the arms in the system, someone will develop in to an ace. No need to trade for one.
cecil makes that deal an overpay, look at what sox traded to get Agon(assuming the extension still goes through) your proposal is much better then what boston offered SD, so IMO we wouldnt even have to give up that much considering i dont think u can say greinke is more valuable then Agon. just my 2 cents
The braves cannot trade for greinke unless they get rid of kk’s salary or nate mclouth’s… they are out of the running from the start, no point in thinking up trades. If the Braves trade any more, it isnt for starting pitchers anyway. It would be another utility player or a center fielder if Wren can pull off a great deal (wont happen)
Hey, with the way Moore loves Braves players, maybe he wants McLousy? I know this is wishful thinking. I’d like to have Greinke, but like you said, I don’t see it happening based completely on finances. Not to mention that our needs really isn’t starting pitching, but really a center fielder or cheap utility player.
If the Blue Jays really wanted Greinke without depleting their farm, they would toss Escobar in the deal. Moore loves his ex-Braves(1/5 of the Royals current 25-man roster much?) and I don’t think I can remember the last time KC had a solid shortstop for an entire year. Obviously that wouldn’t get it done, but toss in a solid pitching prospect and one borderline and I think a deal could get done.
I’d prefer the Braves stay away from the guy who took a year off to deal with depression honestly, I’m not quite sure how good of chemistry we could get from him and Atlanta needs an OF bat MUCH more than a starter. Lowe, KK, JJ, Big Red, Minor, Beachy will get it done with probably six more guys waiting for their turn and oh yeah, that Medlen guy who looked like an ace the first half of the year.
Why don’t the Pirates get in on this? Locke/Meek/Garrett Jones(can play RF) would be a good starting point and the big name would give some reason for Pirate fans to show up one out of five days.
who plays ss next season then? If hech was ready its a great idea, but he’s not
im surprised the Braves are interested on him but i would love the idea, man we’re talking about a possible monster rotation: 1 Hudson 2 Lowe 3 Greinke 4 Jurrjens 5 Hanson (backup: 6 Medlen 7 Beachy 8 Minor)
There is absolutely no way I’m trading Travis Snider.
Drabek ++ sure. But Snider AND Drabek? I’d rather have Justin Upton or Colby Rasmus for that then 2 years of paying Grienke 26$ million.
No way AA does this.. Sure he’s still interested but trading snider and drabek for Grienke makes zero sense.. look below at his stats in the AL east. Stewart+Arencibia+ Cecil max deal. imo
hullo, are you mike wilner?
I don’t buy the rumors at all, and here is why.
1. The asking price will be large. Names like Drabek, Snider, Stewart, Gose, etc…have been mentioned. Not sure what combo it will take.
2. What Greinke are we getting, Cy Young or Vince Young?
3. I do realize that the Jays have cash, but AA has shown to be financially responsible, and 13.5 for the next 2 is no small amount given the value you have traded away.
4. Find it hard to believe Royals will do it with that much talent coming up over the next year or 2.
Love point 2..
Blue Jays wish List:1) Acquire RHP Grienke from Royals in exchanged for Arencibia(C), Stewart & Jenkins (RHP’s), & Snider(OF).2) Sign OF/DH Manny Ramirez to be primary DH.3) Reunite the Molina brothers! Sign Bengie!4) Sign B.Jenks to close 4yr 18mill.Lineup:1) Lewis-LF2) Hill-2b3) Bautista-3b4) Manny-DH5) Lind-1b6) Wells-CF7) B.Molina-C8) Escobar-SS9) R.Davis-RFbench:C-J.molinaIF- J.Mcdonald2b/SS- M.mcCoyOF- A.Gose1b- L.OverbayRotation:LHP RomeroRHP GrienkeRHP MorrowRHP MarcumLHP CecilBullpen:Jenks(closer)# J. Frasor# S. Camp# C. Janssen# D. Purcey# J. Carlson# R. Lewis# J. Roenicke# R. Ray# B. Mills
You have some strange ideas, and too many men on the roster. There are only 25 spots, you have too many relievers.
1)overbay is a FA that will not resign
2)replace snider with drabek
3)lewis was non tendered replace him with snider
4) I like jenks but not at 4 years
5) gose is no where near ready
Roster fail.
Man you need to lay off the rosterbation..
Marcum was traded to the Brewers for Brett Laurie so Drabek can’t be included in any trade. I can see Snider or Laurie, Chad Jenkins, and 2 other not named Gose, Drabek, Stewart or JPA.
Rotation:
Morrow(ace)
Romero(could be an ace)
Greinke(CY winner)
Cecil(23 year old lefty that throws mid 90s and won 15 games last season) not going anywhere.
Drabek(rookie)
This would be the best starting 5 in baseball!