SUNDAY, 5:17pm: The Red Sox still have not given up on pulling off a deal for Gonzalez and there remains a chance that they could do a trade without agreeing to an extension, tweets Heyman.
2:45pm: Odds are that Gonzalez won't wind up with the Red Sox, a source tells Morosi (via Twitter), though the reporter cautions that this could change quickly. Meanwhile, a rival executive told Rosenthal (via Twitter) that the possibility of a deal happening won't die unless the Red Sox turn around and sign Adrian Beltre. The third baseman may have lost a suitor this afternoon as it seems that the A's will turn their attention elsewhere.
2:19pm: The possibility of Gonzalez going to Boston isn't dead yet, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter).
2:00pm: Late Thursday, a Padres source indicated that the club wouldn't field more offers for Gonzalez if the deal with Boston didn't work out, Heyman tweets.
1:56pm: Even though the window is closed for an extension, the two teams can still work out a deal, tweets Rosenthal.
1:43pm: The deal fell through, a source tells Jon Heyman of SI (via Twitter).
1:32pm: Boston might be okay with just laying out parameters with Gonzalez and finalizing a deal during Spring Training if the slugger is healthy, says Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter).
1:13pm: The BoSox could still make the deal without an extension, provided that the parameters are close, Heyman tweets. Going into overtime may not be an issue as the league understands the significance of the player and the situation, Heyman adds (via Twitter).
1:07pm: As of a couple of minutes before the 1pm CST (2pm EST) deadline, both sides were at a standstill, tweets Alex Speier of WEEI.
12:41pm: Gonzalez's camp doesn't want to discuss an extension unless it happens now, tweets Dan Hayes of the North County Times. He adds that this could be a sticking point in the talks.
12:29pm: Unsurprisingly, there is a strong sense in the Gonzalez talks that the BoSox won't make the trade unless there is an understanding that a deal can be reached, Buster Olney of ESPN tweets. The negotiating deadline is at 1pm CST.
10:11am: CSNNE.com's Sean McAdam and Dan Hayes of the North County Times provide conflicting updates: McAdam tweets that there's a "good feeling" following talks that continued through the night. On the other hand, Hayes tweets that the two sides are at something of an impasse, and there's a chance the trade won't happen. The negotiating deadline is now less than three hours away.
8:26am: Heyman (Twitter link) hears that teams discussing Gonzalez with the Padres told San Diego they only wanted to talk parameters for an extension because of the slugger's shoulder issue. As Alex Speier of WEEI.com explains, however, the surgically repaired shoulder isn't the only reason it might make sense to postpone an official extension – the Red Sox could save millions in luxury taxes by waiting until the season begins to ink a deal.
Meanwhile, an AL executive tells Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe that he thinks Gonzalez is seeking an eight-year contract worth about $160MM. Cafardo suggests that, while the Sox may not go that high, a compromise seems likely. The negotiating window closes in just a few hours, so we should get some resolution soon.
SATURDAY, 10:34pm: The Red Sox suggested a six-year contract at some point during the negotiations according to Heyman (Twitter links), but they don't want to do a contract on par with Mark Teixeira's eight year, $180MM pact.
9:26pm: Heyman tweets that the Red Sox might be willing to make the trade without signing Gonzalez to an extension. They might actually prefer to just talk about contract parameters now, then see how his surgically repaired shoulder holds up in Spring Training. In the off chance that the trade does not happen, the Padres would keep Gonzalez and not field offers.
8:41pm: In a pair of tweets, SI.com's Jon Heyman says that the two sides are optimistic about reaching a deal before tomorrow's deadline. He adds that even though Gonzalez, David Ortiz, and J.D. Drew are all left-handed hitters, the Red Sox would not be discouraged from pursuing Carl Crawford, another lefty bat.
7:22pm: Nick Cafardo of The Boston Globe reports that the two sides have not yet reached an agreement, but they're still trying. He notes that if they can't work out a contract, the Red Sox could still choose to go forward with the trade if they feel they've made enough progress and are confident they could extend Gonzalez in the future.
5:21pm: With all of the players agreed to and the physical passed, the only thing left before the Adrian Gonzalez trade can be made official is a new contract. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (via Twitter) that the first baseman and his new team won't have very long to negotiate; the deadline is 2pm ET on Sunday.
Earlier today we heard that Gonzalez was seeking a Ryan Howard-like contract, and in the past a deal on par with Mark Teixeira's has been rumored.
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“Odds are that Gonzalez won’t wind up with the Red Sox, a source tells Morosi (via Twitter), though the reporter cautions that this could change quickly.”
Gotta love it!
So at this very moment Adrian Gonzalez most likely won’t be joining the Red Sox, but two minutes from now he could become a member of the Red Sox.
What a wonderful way to spend a Sunday afternoon …
Hilarious!!!!!
ESPN, always having to be first forgets the one little piece of detail to make the deal happen. AN 8 YEAR $180 MILLION CONTRACT.
They wouldn’t have gotten into this trade without knowing the kind of money he would want and kind of money they are gonna have to pay him. Time to pay up Theo!
I’m a bit confused with this. What happens if (not that it’s likely, but) they don’t come to terms? Would the trade be scrapped?
I believe so, it sounds like the trade is conditional on a long-term contract for AGone
Well that’s the fun and weird part about negotiating windows. The deal officially dies but there’s nothing that stops them from proposing the deal again to the Pads, them accepting, and getting another window. Also if they’re at 1:59 ET and they’ve got a basic agreement (basic years, total contract is worth, etc) but they just need to hammer out the minor details then they’ll get an extension.
I could be wrong, but in MLB negotiating windows like this are not normally allowed. I believe the commissioner has given them an exception.
I’m pretty certain that you’re correct.
Eh, I just remember it being mentioned during the Santana negotiating window. There was a comment that said there was no stopping the Mets and Twins from trying again and they did get a last minute extension to hammer out details.
possibly, or they could make the trade and hope to sign him before the end of the season.
If they don’t come to terms, the Red Sox have the option to back out of the deal.
I promise you they won’t back out of the deal, as a matter of fact it would be to their advantage to hold off on an official extension until after the 2011 season starts. That way the AAV of the extension would not impact the 2011 luxury tax payroll.
An extension will get done between now and April, no doubt about it. They will probably settle for a 7-year extension.
Gonzalez will get paid well by the sox.
i will laugh uncontrollably if this deal doesn’t actually happen…
Perhaps you should prepare a change of underwear, just in case.
It’s a win for the Sox if they can get this done. It would prevent one of the better marquee players in recent memory to reach free agency.
pujols? mauer? Tulo?
reading is fundamental …. It states it prevents ONE of the better marquee players. ONE!
pujols? mauer? Tulo?
pujols? mauer? Tulo?
There is almost no reason for this extension to not get done. Theo and the Sox front office knew getting involved that they were going to have to pay him. This should be the easiest part of the deal. Get it done!
7yr/$165MM
I’m thinking 5yr/$115M-$125. He’s only 28, a shorter deal would set him up for another large pay day.
true, I think he wants the security though. I mean how often do you get to play for the Boston Red Sox? And if it is 5 years, he won’t be signed by the Phillies or Yankees after. The Royals will be good bby they’ll have Hosmer, Braves will have Freeman, some team will have Prince.
All I know is by hook or by crook Adrian Gonzalez’s press conference to announce him in a Red Sox uni will be early next week. Sox want him and can pay, Gonzalez wants a payday and knows the Sox want him and can pay him.
Yes, I want to be paid as well, but he think he wants to be paid and get years, which will result in more overall money.
I meant pay as in both money and years.
My guess is they already have dollars and years worked out and now they’re fighting over the shoulder injury clause. Remember, it’s Theo.
Bingo!
That was the same thought that went through my head when Howard came up as a comparable instead of Teixeira.
I’ll drink to that.
4.8 mil to 23 mil a year. Lol. Yeah right.
So he’s under a team friendly deal? He’s going to get more than I suggested.
So you don’t think he’ll get slightly-less than Ryan Howard money at worst? Explain.
Ryan Howard has averaged over 45 homers a year(58 being his highest). AGon has hit 40 homers once in a year (next highest 36) and averages over 100 k’s a year and so does Ryan Howard. How does AGon deserve more money than Ryan Howard? He doesn’t. You can go ahead and say oh well he didn’t hit that many homers because of where he played. Fact is, you don’t and shouldn’t get paid for something you could potentially do. You get paid for what you have already done and he has not been a better hitter than Ryan Howard.
“How does AGon deserve more money than Ryan Howard?” Because he is better, simple as that. Put Howard in the Grand Canyon called Petco, with the lack of protection that Agon has had, and Howard might average 30 HRs (if he is lucky), and then he still isn’t the defensive 1B that Agon is. How many Gold Gloves for Howard? Gonxalez has 2.
In addition, Ryan Howard is a former MVP, Silver Slugger, Hank Aaron award winner, World Series winner, and Rookie of the Year. AGon has 2 gold gloves and that’s it.
Are you seriously making this argument? Aside from the stated obvious that you have completely different home ball parks there is the whole sense of protection in the Philly lineup that San Diego lacks beyond any quantifiable measure. Not only does Howard hit after utley he hit before Werth. Who the hell hits in front of or behind A-Gon? I have no freaking clue who because it kept changing. There is no GM in the world who wouldn’t put Gonzalez in the same league as Howard.
Also what have we learned from paying people from what they have done? As a Met fan I know this darn well that that is a mistake(see example of Santana, Bay, Castillo, Delgado, K-Rod, Perez…) GMs pay for what that player is EXPECTED to do in the future, AGENTS use what that player has done to negotiate a contract. By your logic we should be paying old Veterans 30+ million a year, see Jeter. Anyway I bet you a healthy A-Gon in a Red Sox Uni will out-stat Ryan Howard any day.
And paying someone for what they potentially could do sounds more logical too right? Lol. Yea okay. You don’t get something that you haven’t earned. I don’t doubt that Adrien Gonzalez has the potential to put up better numbers than Ryan Howard but the fact is, he hasn’t and he doesn’t have the resume to prove it.
FACEPALM!
The small window + the fact that they haven’t even started negotiations yet makes me think that they’re already pretty close.
Gonzalez has got to have most of the leverage here…. he can always say, “well, I’ll just see what everyone else will give me next winter”.
And Theo can say “from who?”
Only a couple teams with major 1B openings PLUS the big bucks to make a deal happen, and I think both parties know that now.
I’m pretty sure the Angels would sign him.
Did Kendry Morales get kidnapped back to Cuba by Castro? No? Oh, nevermind…
Did Kendry Morales get kidnapped back to Cuba by Castro? No? Oh, nevermind…
Man, can I give myself a thumbs up for this one?
/arrogant
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Theo time to open up the man purse and pay Adrian what he wants. They Sox have to get this extension done they are too far into it to let it fall through because of money when you have the second highest payroll in baseball. Also, if it fell through the fans would take the bridge Theo mentioned last season strap him and management to it, and burn it to the ground.
Theo: It’s where I keep all my things. Get a lot of compliments on this. Plus it’s not a purse, it’s called a satchel. Indiana Jones wears one.
So does Joy Behar.
If Theo starts dressing like Indiana at all times, hat/whip/satchel etc, I will instantly become a Sox fan.
That me LOL Hahahahahahaha
That me LOL Hahahahahahaha
That me LOL Hahahahahahaha
No offense to you, more of a general question, but when does quoting “The Hangover” stop being funny?
My unfunny boss refered to a client as “Fat Jesus” the other day, minutes after telling me that he and his wife watched the movie for the first time over the weekend.I mean, I think the thing has gone too mainstream to really be cool enough to quote anymore. Office Space quotes still work because that movie is, and has remained, a cult classic precisely because of the lack of box office success.I guess what I’m trying to say is, all of the one liners are already played out, and you are accelerating the death sentence here.
You are so cool Ryan. Everyone listen to Ryan if you want to me cool, too.
My first or second time ever quoting the movie. 99% of the time I just relate my day to Seinfeld.
My first or second time ever quoting the movie. 99% of the time I just relate my day to Seinfeld.
But….Office Space sucks.
I rather listen to “played out” one liners then have to read the pointless drivel you come up with
7/$161 mil
7/$161 sounds like a bit of a low-ball number. He is worth more, and im sure his camp knows it. He only has 5 full seasons in the majors, and generally hits 30+ homeruns. Any baseball fan would tell you that hitting 30+ homers and playing 81 or 162 games in a park like San Diego’s is no small feat. Get this guy in a Red Sox uni, and in some of the smaller AL parks, and he’ll easily hit 40 or 40+. I would expect to see something in the ballpark of about 7/$180 or 7/$175. Have to wait and see but I cant see any way the Sox dont figure out every bit of this and make it happen. If they have made it to this point, it is a definate, after Texiera, there is no way this deal dies, no way.
That’s just under 23M a season. How is that a low-ball number?
Yeah haven’t you heard? We are in one of the worst recessions in recent memory, but Adrian Gonzalez NEEDS 25 million a year or more to live. In all seriousness I agree with you just under 23MM a season sounds more than fair.
Well 7/$161 is $23 mil per.
Ah, I figured it was a little less since 7/165 was a little over. Didn’t take the time to really look at it.
Think about it, Gonzo has all the leverage on this one. 7/161 sounds about right!
Even in Recessions you try to make as much as you can. Why you hatin’ on someone else trying to make the green?
Fair has nothing to do with sports. If life was fair, you wouldn’t have a .188 hitter (Mark Reynolds) making 7 million a year.
Seems to me like Gonzalez has Theo over a barrel. I agree, he’s worth much more than Werth. (no pun intended)
CC?
By all accounts, Adrian Gonzalez is a better hitter than CC.
Comparing a pitcher to a 1B? Really?
Or a LF
Making a joke making a joke
C.C. did carry the Yanks on his back to a WS title in 09. He had a great post season.
Hah! Wasn’t that Jeter’s initial demand?
Why do I have a feeling that they already have agreed terms to a contract extension. I mean, the Padres agreed to trade to the Red Sox about 30 hours before the trade was even really near being announced. lol
becuase they more th
No problems here. The Sox need him and he wants to play there. Something will get done with plenty of time to spare.
I find this just absolutely surprising that the RS wouldn’t have gotten at least the verbel committment from Gonzales’ agent regarding money before going through all the machinations on this deal. Have to hope that the Sox FO doesn’t get cute with the same act that they tried with the Teixiera deal. The Red Sox have the history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
I’d say it worked out pretty good with the non A-Rod trade.
How so?
…they won a World Series less than twelve months later, running over A-Rod to do it on the back of one of the guys who they were supposed to trade for him (Manny). Additionally, the centerpiece (Prospectwise) from that deal is now our ace. On top of that, had the trade gone through, the Sox likely wouldn’t have made the Schilling move. In hindsight, it’s hard to argue that that deal falling through was anything but a godsend to the Sox.
I agree, the Sox don’t want to blow this one, it’s time for them to put their money where their mouth is , they have been after this guy for 2 years, and his agent knows that they have alot of money to spend.
Look for the deal to fall apart, A-Gone then hits FA and the Yankees sign him for $25 million per to pitch hit/DH.
that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
That’s typical of him.
so what is tex/arod going to do? arod isnt going to be at the hot corner for much longer
I think A-Rod can play well there for another 4-5 years. If his hip holds up.
Who set this deadline, anyway?
MLB set it. Epstein had to ask for an exception to be made to even get the window, most times these kind of negotiation opportunities aren’t allowed
Not true, these windows to negotiate an extension to consummate a trade are allowed frequently. Almost every season at least once a year this type of deal happens.
A couple of examples that pop off the top of my head:
Roy Halladay to the Phillies.
Johan Santana to the Mets.
Randy Johnson to the Yankees.
Yes, and 33% of the time they don’t work, because its like Christmas morning when your a kid, it never quite meets your exspectations.
With the amount of trades that happen per year, I think saying frequently is way overstating it. Basically what you said is that in mega-deals involving superstars, MLB lets it go down.
Which is about once a year. It’s not a rare occurrence.
Mega-deals is about the only time someone’s likely to care. I doubt the Yankees were particularly high on the idea of getting the chance to lock up Kerry Wood long term…
That is true, but all I said is examples of this being allowed is the exception, not the rule. Mega-deals typically happen about once every year to 18 months or so, which I just do not think you can say is “often” compared to the number of deals teams make all the time
6yrs/140mm is my guess.
also, with the rangers potentially courting konerko, how would the green monster fair on a mr Vladimir Guerrero, if they fail to snag Crawford or Werth
another wet dream im sure
Crawford – Capable of playing the OF
Werth – Capable of playing the OF
Vlad – Not capable of playing the OF
David Ortiz – Full time DH
Not going to happen.
grab prince next offseason, nobody can pay him what the sox can
jacoby LF
pedroia 2b
gonzalez1b
youk 3b
prince DH
werth RF
kalish LF
saltalamacchia C
lowrie/iglesias SS
so much more money coming off the books next yr too
Dude you have like some of the worst ideas ever.. there are going to be teams after Prince next year..hes not going to want to sign a deal just to be a DH…other teams will pay him enough so he chooses to go to another team. Saying “no one can pay him what the red sox can” is just making us red sox fans look stupid.
first off relax, most of my posts are pipe dreams. i didnt realize i didnt make that clear, i tried to post this thing like 3 times each time before, saying it was a fantasy, the last time i didnt i guess.
second. i actually see the nationals or orioles making a huge push for prince as they dont have any 1bs in their plans. the nationals have vocalized how they like carlos pena and the orioles were “in” on the texiera bidding.
and idc how lefty heavy it would make our line up, crawford makes the lineup, outfield, and team, more dynamic and scary.
nobody says how are we going to pitch to jayson werth. but everyone has to think about how theyre going to have to pitch to crawford and everyone behind him. same with ellsbury
thats what speed does to the game.
ppl get caught up in its flash. especially all the pink hats, but in reality they have a point where it changes games. SBs may not lead to runs directly but they can put you in better positions to score runs.
ellsbury, pedoria, and presumably crawford would be nice table setters for gonzalez and youkilis and ortiz
and i think whoever signs werth will have to watch out for when the full moon hits his beard, he might drop his glove and start howling as he turns into a werewolf
i almost made a new account just to like this comment again.
7 years/154…Why not?
I’m surprised the Pads did this deal, unless the MLB ready prospect coming back is not too much of a downgrade from AGon. But I after letting Garland and Torrelaba walk I started to think that they weren’t going to be as tough this year anyway.
However, AGon and his oppo power should thrive in Fenway. Dude can wrist flip pop-ups over the monster.
Any team could have shelled out 3 top prospects and a PTBNL
but only a few could afford the 125+ mil contract to get it done.
I’m not that jazzed on the quality of the prospects – even though they were the top ones in the Red Sox system.
The Red Sox don’t have an MLB ready prospect anywhere near the potential of Adrian Gonzalez. That said, Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentes is about as good a haul as they could have envisioned.
The Red Sox don’t have an MLB ready prospect anywhere near the potential of Adrian Gonzalez. That said, Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentes is about as good a haul as they could have envisioned.
The Red Sox don’t have an MLB ready prospect anywhere near the potential of Adrian Gonzalez. That said, Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentes is about as good a haul as they could have envisioned.
im saying 8 years 184 mil
You’re out of your mind.
As of 8:00 PM EST Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reported no extension has been reached yet…
Let see… The Sox are ” on the guy ” for almost a year and they are unable to sign an extension before the winter meeting? COME ON !!!
Let see… The Sox are ” on the guy ” for almost a year and they are unable to sign an extension before the winter meeting? COME ON !!!
Let see… The Sox are ” on the guy ” for almost a year and they are unable to sign an extension before the winter meeting? COME ON !!!
check this out bit.ly/dHYUcS a-gons petco hit chart overlaid to fenway (31>11)
check this out bit.ly/dHYUcS a-gons petco hit chart overlaid to fenway (31>11)
If Hoyer does this deal for Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentes, I’ll wager the Pads lose 90 games plus in both 2011 and 2012 and he’ll be out of work GM-wise by 2013 (a la the rest of Epstein’s former minions).
Yeah, that sounds about right. Give two years for a new GM to execute their 4 year plan, then you fire him.
Probably not. Remember the Padres ownership is accustomed to living on Luxury Tax money. If they lose the 90 games you’re talking about, they qualify for Revenue Sharing cash which they can conveniently put in their pockets. Their excuse is that they cannot afford to pay Gonzales what he’s demanding, so they made the best deal they could. Much like many ‘Small Market’ teams, the Padres are a business first and a baseball team second.
If Hoyer does this deal for Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentes, I’ll wager the Pads lose 90 games plus in both 2011 and 2012 and he’ll be out of work GM-wise by 2013 (a la the rest of Epstein’s former minions).
Is time for Adrian to make real money. Boston needs to pay up.
Yes because he was on food stamps in San Diego
He wasn’t making close to his market value which is what the negotiation is all about.
He was making his market value. He was making the going-rate for a player who had his arbitration years bought out and who had put together a single solid season at the time of his signing.
Is time for Adrian to make real money. Boston needs to pay up.
Get it done Theo. Can’t come the far without closing the deal.
I don’t think there’s any way they go through with the trade without an extension in place. The Red Sox don’t like to negotiate midseason and it’s not worth the risk that he walks at the end of the year.
should i be worried about the sox not extending a-gon? š
For those of you speculating, it’s Kelly, Rizzo and Reymond Fuentes.
Ya don’t say.
For those of you scoring at home – or even if you’re alone…
This deal is all on Theo, Gonzolez has nothing to lose.
I Wonder where news people get their sources from? Is there like the “Team Snitch” the guy that is all shady looking and stuff and is like “Hey I’ll give you some news if you give me $200.” And their like OKAY! And the goes, “Okay Currently theirs some Funny Looking Mexican dude that the Red Sox Flew in early Friday Morning, and His name was Adrian and that’s all I know okay!” …”Oh and by the way, whatever happens.. you didn’t hear this from me..”
Sometimes these reporters just call front offices and tell receptionists to put them through to the GM of a club. If the GM takes their call the reporters will give infor that they got from other GMs in exchange for breaking news and everything. In moneyball there is a section where Billy Beane lets Gammons know about a trade for a RP that hadn’t gone through yet to scare I think Steve Phillips into making a trade for one of Beane’s RP knowing the guy they were after was traded. It’s a big network. But still most of it is bs.
Sorry to get ahead of myself, but:
Assuming this is done and Werth/Crawford is signed, I get a kick out of the team the Sox could put in 2012 when $50 mil come off the books (Ortiz, Cameron, Scutaro, Papelbon, Wakefield, Varitek) all while needing only to replace a DH, 4th OF, closer, and back-up catcher. They could sign Fielder to DH and it would still not get close to their payroll this year.
Fielder is going to make too much to DH, nor like Berkman would he want to DH.
I know. I was not suggesting they sign Fielder. I was just making a point of how much flexibility they’ll have
They will have alot of flexibility, but the key is to find another Manny and Papi, before they hit their prime, a very hard thing to do. Being able to project talent is the hardest thing in sports.
i want to love this not like it. this is what i have been saying. as much of a fantasy as it is.. thats a lineup with him and agone in it
Fielder is going to make too much money to DH, and like Berkman he might not want too.
Drew making 14 million is also coming off the books…could be a BIG offseason for the Red Sox š
So the Sox will have over 60 mil to spend not taking into account any raises!
I’m sure management knows about this extra money… Gotta take that money to the Liverpool team and get them back to the top!
Hehe. Why not? They could help Liverpool AND still upgrade the Sox with that money eh?
On a personal note, I wouldn’t mind that at all: I happen to be a pool fan too, in case you haven’t noticed š
Win win for you then š
God now you have me thinking -.- The free agent class of next year doesn’t really look too sexy though.. I wonder who you would spend it on. Pujols will be signed to an extention. hmmm..*thinks* beats me -.-
I was thinking the same thing. Outside of Fielder and potentially Pujols there really isn’t anything out there next offseason.
I was thinking the same thing. Outside of Fielder and potentially Pujols there really isn’t anything out there next offseason.
I thought this would happen. He wants a big flat rate contract for $20+MM per season and they probably want a discount on the first year or two, which lowers the overall value of the contract. I think they will solve the problem by deferring a portion of the contract.
Bard is off limits. There is know way we trade Bard because Paps is gone if not by trade but by FA. Bard has a big chance of being better that Paps anyways.
Off topic, but does anyone else think this deal really really hurts fielder? I mean next offseason what big market team will be looking for a 1b? Lots of teams have already committed to a big first basemen for a long time. Maybe the cubs make a play for him but idk.
All else being equal, not really. If the Sox were considering Fielder their long term plans for him would have been Papi’s replacement. There’s still a possibility the Sox could make an offer to a FA Fielder to DH… doubt it, but stranger things have happened. Though I do agree that the Cubs might make a play for Fielder, maybe even check in at the winter meetings.
If anything I’d change the odds that Pujols stays a Cardinal from 97% to 99%.
No extension sounds scary at first…but my hope is maybe that A-Gon and Boston are comfortable and feel confident that they are close to agreement on the numbers part of it, and Boston would just like to wait until the spring. Now, I wonder what A-Gon thinks about it….but my hope is that everything is still cordial and the postponed extension wouldn’t be because of disagreements, but just caution and postponing of the inevitable.
I’d like to believe that as well but other than Beckett the Sox have had a recent nasty habit of agreeing to push back negotiations and then not extending players they have acquired one way or another.
To the best of my recollection they don’t seem to have too much of a problem signing many of their homegrown players mid-season or in spring training (except for Ellsbury *Boras*). I would just hate for them to not take the full opportunity of the negotiating window and then see that backfire horribly. my .02
But they’ve also been very cautious because of different risks with each player, or because the player is unwilling to budge at all in negotiations. And I think their love for A-Gon, and just pure excitement I would imagine at FINALLY getting their hands on him will prevail. At the very worst they sign him at the end of ST. At the best, and I still think its very possible, they get it done. They’ve still got 14 hours left, so…
I am also hoping for a quick resolution if possible seeing as that would be most beneficial to the sox(as well as making the package to acquire him more worth it to the FO if they manage to sign Adrian quickly). However, seeing as he will most likely not be able to test the shoulder too much early in spring training, I legitimately fear the possibly of this being dragged out even further. That’s when I imagine things start to get real wacky
I’m pretty sure an agreement will be reached here.
But Heyman is up to his usual idiocy here. Why on earth would SD not field offers on Gonzalez if the trade indeed doesn’t go through?
Um, because Hoyer is essentially colluding with the Red Sox?
And the free masons are running the world.
A brave new world order? Ya don’t say
damn those stonecutters
1% of the world’s population owns 80% of the worlds wealth. Its true look it up.
By taking three of their top six prospects and the pretty much inarguably the best offer on the table
There’s no way for you to say “inarguably” the best offer really. Also, just because it’s the Sox top 6 doesn’t mean they would be among another teams top 10.
We have no idea what any other offers there were.
A former Red Sox exec traded one of the best players in baseball, who also happens to be extremely cheap, for a package of a project pitcher, a LaRoche wannabe, and a 4th outfielder at best, which is worse than the first Swisher trade, possibly only dealt with the Red Sox and didn’t field offers from other teams, and won’t accept offers from other teams if the current deal falls through. If that’s not collusion I don’t know what is.
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The trick is: if the extension is signed before the season starts then the AAV of the contract counts towards luxury tax in 2011. If the extension is signed AFTER the season starts then only the $5.5 owed to AGon originially counts towards luxury tax in 2011.Considering that they’re currently about $35 mil under the threshold and the Sox still want to sign an OF, waiting to sign the extension until after the season starts is a savvy way of avoiding paying more luxury tax.
“Savvyyyyyy”- Cartman
savvy but risky
Actually, Gonzo’s current contract is 5 years/15mm (when taking the option into consideration for luxury tax purposes), his AAV is only 3mm/year. This is what the Padres were charged for the first 4 years, and so if the Sox are charged the $5.5mm owed to him, then his AAV will differ from his total contract (12mm + 5.5mm = 17.5mm vs the 15mm contract)
I actually had to email Alex Speier just last week about this and he explained that to me. If the Sox extend after the season starts, his AAV would be $3mm for luxury tax purposes. If the Sox extend to 7 years/140mm, for luxury tax purposes it would be 8 years/143mm, resulting in 17.87mm/year for luxury tax purposes.
It’s basically asking, do you want to take the luxury tax discount now or allocate it through the course of his contract.
……Theo this is not the time to close up the bank….just get it done already you’re beginning to ruin it already and he is not even wearing the B on his cap yet..
Hes scaring us all. But it will be reached, like about 50 people have said in the last couple hours. We knew how much he would want. He has stated it before. Theo is just trying to squeeze a million or 2 less a year than Gonzo wants. And quite frankly, why not? Might as well.
lol
This is getting dicey.
exactly
People like to say this group brought us the ’04 title but those were largely Dan Duquette’s players. The Sox always have a high payroll but what prominent big time players has this ownership group signed. I can think of one. Curt Schilling. You have to go back to Manny Ramirez who was signed by Duquette to find another high price guy who’s made a huge impact.
Yes, remember they haven’t won the series since Manny left.
Yep, three years without a WS title is unheard of too.
It’s alot better than 80, but my point was they haven’t with Theo making the moves!
Pretty sure he grabbed Ortiz off the scrap heap, traded for Schilling, brought us Kevin Millar, signed Billy Mueller, and (along with his team) drafted the likes of Papelbon, Ellsbury, and Pedroia.
My thought on the current matter is as follows:
There are plenty of teams who could pony up that kind of prospect cost or better. There aren’t many who could put up the kind of contract the Sox are likely to put up. Some of the alleged big suitors for Gonzo like the Orioles and Blue Jays could make an equivalent deal and not put a dent in their farm. Assuming Hoyer isn’t beholden to the moronic conspiracy theories of tampering floating around this site’s following, that would indicate there wasn’t as long of a line of teams willing to back up the Brinks truck for Gonzalez.
Given, a year in Fenway before hitting free agency could certainly help matters in that department, I don’t see Epstein letting that happen.
That all said, I think that, at this point, a lot of it is back and forth negotiating. If the Sox were willing to offer an inferior player (Teixeira) a veritable mountain of cash and Gonzalez is looking for something in the realm of a Howard-esque deal (More cash, less years), I have trouble seeing where this deal could fall apart outside of the insistance of an out clause relating to the shoulder.
If you’r having trouble seeing how this could fall apart, pull up a picture of John Henry
Why don’t you pull up a picture of Epstein drooling over A-Gon. He’s had an obsession since forever. And he’s SO close right now. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t try to figure something out.
Plus, Teixeira went to the Yankees for only a couple million dollars more. Boston made a VERY competitive offer, and he just said no.
“inferior player (Teixeira) “An inferior player, really? A couple of you need to get a grip over this Gonzalez thing. He’s a damn fine player, but I’d still argue that Teixeira is his equal if not a better player in certain areas. I don’t think you’ll find many others disagree that Tex is arguably the best defensive first base man at this moment, in the game. Otherwise I agree with everything else you said.
Look at their splits sometimes. Teixeira and Gonzalez put up roughly equivelant numbers with Teixeira playing in a hitters’ park and Gonzalez playing in a pitchers’ park. Gonzalez typically hits much better outside Petco while Teixeira typically hits much worse outside of Yankee Stadium. If you switched them, Gonzalez would be blowing Teixeira out of the water.
Per Peter Abraham – Boston Globe
“ā¢ Over the last four seasons, Mark Teixeira has hit .290 with 135 homers, 456 RBI, and an .928 OPS. Gonzalez has hit .284 with 137 homers, 419 RBI, and an .894 OPS.
You tell me who’s the better player. A sizable difference in OPS. Plus like I said, Tex is leaps and bounds a better defensive first base man. In addition Tex has not had any major surgeries, such as Gonzalez shoulder surgery. Plus the Yanks didn’t need to give up 4 prospects to only spend the same amount of money the Sox will need to in order to keep this guy in Boston. Like I said, you’re getting a heck of player, but please get a grip people.
Did you COMPLETELY ignore what I said? Wait, of course you did, you’re a Yankee troll. For the sake of proving my point for anyone who may not think you’re full of crap:
LOOK AT THE ROAD SPLITS!!!
2009:
Teixeira away from Yankee Stadium: .272/.380/.579 for an .882 OPS
Gonzalez away from Petco Park: .306/.402/.643 for a 1.045 OPS
2010:
Teixeira away from Yankee Stadium: .227/.320/.408, .728 OPS
Gonzalez away from Petco Park: .315/.402/.578 for a .930 OPS
Teixeira, a lefty, plays in a park where Johnny Damon clubbed 17 homers across 81 games in 2009, two more than his career 162 game average. I’m not saying Teixeira is a bad player, but with all things equal, this is a lot like the Hernandez/Sabathia Cy debate: put Teixeira on the Padres and Gonzalez on the Yankees and the gap between their stats would be immensely in favor of Gonzalez. Gonzalez is to Teixeira as Pujols is to Gonzalez.
Whatever you say buddy..
Well you sure put me in my place.
Does it hurt?
He only hears what he wants to hear. Great comparison with the road splits.
Let’s take a closer look at the home/away splits shall we? The Petco Park effect is a valid argument. Yankee Stadium is an absolute bandbox. You put Adrian anywhere else than Petco for at least half the season and he will put up Teixeira-like numbers, if not better. To use the relative statistics of your argument, let’s look at each Adrian’s away stats for the past four years:’07: 20 HR 64 RBI .295/.358/.570 .928 OPS’08: 22 HR 70 RBI .308/.368/.578 .946 OPS’09: 28 HR 63 RBI .306/.402/.643 1.045 OPS’10: 20 HR 59 RBI .315/.402/.578 .980 OPS To put it in further perspective, these totals were all in 81 games or less. That’s astonishing. I’m not going to post them, but for an even more convincing comparison, look at Tex’s away splits for the past four years. There’s a humongous difference in his numbers. Yankee Stadium has absolutely inflated his stats. Once A-Gon gets out of San Diego, take the aforementioned away stats and imagine if they were added with numbers that he could put up in a park that actually plays to hitters, or plays to his style (Fenway). It’s scary.Additionally, your other points are way off. Gonzalez’s surgery this offseason was by no means “major”, it was just a minor cleanup of the labrum. Also, Tex is no way “a leaps and bounds” better defensive 1B. Adrian has won two gloves and does challenge Pujols has the best defensive 1B in the NL. He is, at most, a small step behind Tex, but I doubt it.
“There are plenty of teams who could pony up that kind of prospect cost or better”
Any team who makes a push for him would likely be ready to pay the man, somethings a miss.
This trade sounds like collusion!
Somebody call the Waaaaaaah-bulance.
It certainly is, but somehow this is going to go unnoticed. I could care less frankly, but if I were the Nat’s or some other team that may have had interest, I’d open a case.
Yeah, we can really tell you could “care less”.
6 years have been discussed. Thats perfect, for both sides. I have noticed he is ALLLL about the money though. SO we will see.
“The Red Sox suggested a six-year contract at some point during the negotiations according to Heyman (Twitter links), but they don’t want to do a contract on par with Mark Teixeira’s eight year, $180MM pact”.– There it is folks, goodbye Adrian just like it was goodbye Texeira. This is inexcusable. The FO needs to wake up and realize they are a big market team. If they thought the past year was a PR nightmare, wait to see what happens if they ruin this deal.
Heymans tweet says it was suggested, not that Boston was sticking with it. And it’s reasonable for them not to want to go 8 years, because 8 years is a long time. There is still a lot of room for negotiation, and nobody seems to be sticking in their heels just yet.
Relax man.
Not jumping the gun a bit?
I think it is more likely that they are discussing things like 6 plus options or 8 with an opt out clause for the Sox after 5 if the shoulder becomes an issue (like the Drew contract) or any number of other options.
I don’t believe anything Jon Heyman says. He has a habit of pretending to get in the middle of Red Sox moves when he actually has no clue what’s going on. Just look at the garbage he was spewing earlier about how the Red Sox won’t be going after Crawford because of too many lefties with Gonzalez, only to completely contradict himself hours later by saying all the lefties would not impact a Crawford signing… He basically posts any and all rumors he hears, even though he never bothers to check the credibility first.
That’s what I feel too….he’s not double-checking his rumors, or sources, and just rushing to post things. This guy from a small-town newspaper who first got the ball rolling has been much calmer with his tweets, and he seems to be more accurate when he posts as well. I just wish Heyman would relax and try to inform people, not barrage us with “news”.
But can you completely discount the front office’s tendency to lowball players and lose out on opportunities for signings? I don’t disagree with you, most of what Heyman says is garbage. He’s a Yankee homer but I’m just asking, doesn’t this seem all to familiar to the Texeira debacle?
Of course they lowballed him.. that’s what you do in negotiations. You don’t start at the top with your initial offers, you start on the lower end and meet somewhere in the middle. Just like the free agents usually ask for way more than they’ll ever get and eventually come down.
I’m not saying they never low-ball but do you think they low-balled Lackey?
Feeling Urge to Complain about this Kase. i mean, not only as a jays fan do i know how frustrating to see a rival make this kind of a deal, but seriously, these guys have kevin youkilis already. it’s just so discouraging to see teams like the yankees and boston do this every year and stack their roster needlessly. plus if i were theo epstien i would probably keep my right handed bats seeing as theres a giant wall built for doubles and homers in right field -_-‘
Sox fan here and it is unfortunate that there is such a discrepancy between the haves and the have nots in baseball. However, we play in the same division with the Yankees and their limitless resources. Adding a hitter, which we needed, is not needlessly adding a player. Youklis started as a third baseman and is a good one.
tbh, i never thought about youk at third. but the fact is it’s still a work to hear about you guys looking signing players werth and crawford and us as a small market team have to sit on our cash while you guys take all the good free agents. but you’re right, sox do need a bat.
It’s not like the Blue Jays haven’t shelled out money for a player, i.e., Vernon Wells. Hasn’t it been known that they do have the resources to make a big splash but decide to not do so? (which I actually respect, high priced FA’s hardly ever pan out for the life of their contract)
Wait, Toronto is no small market team. They have publicly stated that they could have a payroll over 100m if they deemed themselves a contender. AA’s point is that there is not much sense in shelling out big FA contracts until he has established a core with which to contend year after year.
Youk and AGonz will make about $18-19M combined next year.
Youkilis is a third baseman now, sucks because Beltre was tailor made for Fenway.
so is agon
the green monster is in left field
Gonzo is just one piece of the puzzle, and a good one! Mexican jumping bean coming to Beantown!!!! It’s offical….who’s next hmmm
it’s probably going to be werth since we need a right hand bat.
Bottom line is, Adrian Gonzalez didn’t ask to be traded. He is now being negotiating with a team he knows nothing about, in a new league, in a city he knows nothing about, and he is leaving his hometown where his family is. And he is being asked to make a commitment of anywhere from 5 to 8 years. Furthermore, he will be forfeiting free agency next year when he could look into many teams and cities and choose which one he wants to play in. So of course he and his agent are going to ask for a brink’s truck full of money and the Red Sox, knowing what they knew when they acquired him, should be ashamed for dragging this out and making less-than-market value offers.
Please fill me in on what they offered him, haven’t seen the numbers anywhere.
It’s all speculation at this point but there are rumors saying 6 years and that thSox don’t want to go to 8 at 180 million. My point of that post was that he has the right to ask for whatever he wants
Have to agree with you. This is the easy part and this is where Theo Epstein doesn’t shine. The hard part was done for him. He didn’t have to “sell” anything to the negotiated team. The Padres knew more about these kids than anyone in baseball. This deal will get done, but you’re right, at 1:19am EST there is no reason why this deal shouldn’t already be done.
He’s already under contract for next season, and the Red Sox like to add options on the end of contracts, so the total number of years and money in these rumors are probably a little inaccurate. Remember how ridiculously confusing the Tulowitzki extension rumors were to figure out?
Literally just waiting for the post to come across the site that says “The deal is dead”.
Dude, are you sitting in the corner in the fetal position rocking back and fourth? They still have like 14 hours to work out an extension….
For some people the glass is half full, for others the glass half empty. There are also people who don’t have a freakin glass. Which one of these you feeling like bud?
Fetal position..yes. No glass. I’ve gotten excited about these “moves” in the past only to see them fall though. I remember being ecstatic when we “acquired” A-Rod and yeah I’m glad now it didn’t work out but at the time I was devestated. Same with Texeira
I was devastated too. But I wasn’t emotionally scarred and unable to think positively ever again. So seriously man, calm down. In the end its still just a game š
I’m going to have to go ahead and Approve of this attitude. With a hyped deal(or no deal) like this it’s easy to lose sight of something as simple as that.
I find that by thinking negatively, positive things are made so much more rewarding! I’m relaxed fellas don’t worry. This is my only outlet to vent. You think my girlfriend or friends or even my dog wants to hear about this crap?
Haha, ok. But there is a difference between maybe cautious optimism and outright negativity. I’m careful about that too; when the players weren’t named yet, I was preparing myself for the Padres to get a king’s ransom from us. Thus, it was great to see it was “only” three prospects. But I didn’t think “its not going to happen, Theo hates us all!” š I see what you mean, and I do it a lot too. Just saying, it feels kind of harsh to…basically any red sox fan on here who has even cautious optimism towards the deal going through. š
Another thing worth mentioning is that I haven’t been seeing anything from Boston reporters on the negotiations. Either they’re all extremely lazy, or the Red Sox aren’t talking about anything on their side (which is usually the case with Theo’s negotiations). This probably means any rumors leaked out are coming solely from the agent’s side and will obviously be portrayed as the Red Sox not spending enough money and threats about the deal falling apart.
Good point
If this gets done Theo I’ll take back everything bad I have ever said about you.
P.S. I Still don’t want Werth!!!
I won’t. He’s still an i diot. It’s not like anything creative was done with this deal. In fact, the Pads orchestrated the entire thing. And talk about doing this on the fly, it only took two years. Basically the Pads shut down everyone else and served this guy to Theo on a silver plate. I mean come on..
So San Diego pretty much told Theo that the Sox HAD to take Gonzo off their hands? San Diego flew Gonzo to Boston? Please, it takes two to dance. You really like to paint dirty pictures against the Sox don’t you? Sour grapes.
Sign him to a 5yr-125mm contract. Btw was his surgery serious or will he been fine?
Reports have it being cleanup on his non-throwing shoulder.
So he can still hit just fine? And also what’s the chances they cant reach an agreement? Will they still keep Gonzalez? One more thing, we still can afford Justin upton!
Unfortunetely, this trade probably kills any possibility at Upton. We would completely gut our farm system, something Theo would probably not want to do, in addition to giving up one or both of Bard and Ellsbury. Upton is great but i think the Sox made a choice between going after him and Gonz.
besides Kevin Towers was just messing with everybody. He was never going to trade Upton.
That’s probably true as well, however, Upton seems kind of like an emotionally fragile character. Maybe Towers wanted to motivate him or something but if not, why put it in his mind that he’s expendable?
As irrational as it seems, I still think Towers was never serious about the trade. Oh, he’d have done it if he got the right bid. But the right bid would have been SO insanely high that nobody gave it. He was just trying to see if someone would snag the bait, and give him their whole farm + half their MLB roster. And you’re right, it wasn’t fair to Upton. But to be honest…I doubt Towers even thought of that.
He should now, Upton’s trade value is much more than AGON’s. He just saw what a 1st baseman with a contract extension needed can get.
What? No, you missed the point. You’re right his trade value is VERY high. Towers in fact, realizes his value is probably higher than anyone is willing to bid. In his mind anyway. And he’s probably right, a young superstar, with that kind of contract? You don’t just trade that away.
I think the only reason this is happening now is because Towers ISN’T in San Diego anymore.
With it being his non-throwing shoulder, it would effect his hitting and his fielding if it is serious. More so the hitting since that would be the shoulder that he drives the ball with.
Chances that don’t reach an agreement…50/50 I would say
Will they still keep Gonzalez w/o an agreement…I’d hope not
Justin Upton…I’ll pass for that price.
We must give the same contract Miguel Cabrera; 8 yrs/$152.3M. Adrian Gonzalez is young, just 28 years. I think it isn’t bad contract! ….. Now I hope that Boston look to Jayson Werth and two relieve pitcher…………….
Somewhere, Adam LaRoche waits by the phone
*shoots the phone*
Nevah.
He has a good week in Boston while he was here! haha!
$20 million a year for a player playing a game. They need a floor and a ceiling so they can reduce these salaries.
agree but it’ll never happen. One thing that I do like about the MLB is that some of the well-played players (I think) give back a lot to the community. Through donations, starting up programs, charity work, etc. Some players know that they’re truly blessed to be payed so darn well to play a game that they love and share some of the goodness with the less fortunate. I really respect players who give back to the people. <— but this can also be said of other major sports as well. Some of these dudes are grateful for their situations, some others are caught up with money and "respect" and forget how lucky they have it.
I wish they could make the contracts not fully guaranteed. Much like the NFL, so if you have a player like Oliver Perez, Milton Bradley, etc., you are not on the hook for the whole duration of the contract if you cut him. All you are obliged to pay is the guaranteed part/signing bonus.
You guys. Get a grip. For real.
and you can run and tell that, home boy.
Give him the Howard contract and call it a day.
Take it to the bank….. 7 years $155 million.
they could “agree” to a contract but not sign It till spring training so it does not effect the luxury tax and they have the money to sign relivers and werth kind of like what they did with josh last year
Unless they add on too his salary for 2011 would it matter?
So the Pads would scrap any deal if this BOS deal falls through? No one else has a package that is good enough? Its Casey Kelly or bust? Really now?
Yeah I find that hard to believe. Why would he close up shop if other interested teams approach them?
I see them going the Manny approach, 180 million but the last two years being club options so its a 6 year deal with the potential to be 8, just having one season in Boston and Adrian will make what he made in three years in San Diego.
Theo didn’t construct that deal though. I’m not sure he’s going to give anyone 8 years.
Cafardo, in the Globe, says that Gonzo is aiming for the Texeira deal: 8/180. I’m saying they settle for 6/138. I’m sure the Sox want to get this done before the Winter meeting in order to adress other ” needs “…
I hope its 6 years at most. Its scares me investing so many years to players. Even if they are a superstar now. Look at A-Rod. He is already declining and still has 7 years left on his deal. NY can afford to eat dead money but Boston can’t
Damn that made me cringe. 7 more years!!! Scheisse not sexy!
NY can afford to but Boston can’t? Haha. Good one.
I say Gonzo holds out for a Tex deal 8/180, that club option is bad for the player on the back end. You might as well sign a 6 yr. deal.
Not sure Gonzo hold out for 8 years. He want to play for a perennial contender and the Fenway fit his swing perfectly. 7 years could be a possibility since the Sox were willing to do it for Texeira.
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Only a $50mm difference in your proposal. That’s some discount, just because Red Sox fans say so..Gonzalez has every right to ask for the exact same contract as Tex.
I think what the MLB needs to do is do what the NBA Did and Create a “Max Contract” Say the Maximum that any player can make per year is about 22 Million Dollars per year. I think that is plenty fair.
…like in MLB The Show
Yea but in that game isn’t a Max Contract like 100 Million a Season lol, I don’t know I’ve never attempted to give someone a max contract.
The Sox make 300 million a year and they only put 60% back into the team. Some of the owners are worth billions. You don’t put a cap on an actor or a rock singer, so why put one on a player. That is not the american way. The Sox have over 50 million coming off the books in 2012, so I say pay Gonzo 8/180.
Well that would be dumb. He is looking for 8/160.
The Yankees total revenue last year was 466M. Their payroll was about 206M. That means they reinvested approximately 44% back into their payroll.
The Red Sox total revenue last year was 306M. Their payroll was about 163M. That means they reinvested approximately 52% back into their payroll.
The Mets total revenue last year was 294M. Their payroll was about 133M. That means they reinvested approximately 45% back into their payroll.
The Dodgers total revenue last year was 280M. Their payroll was about 95M. That means they reinvested approximately 34% back into their payroll.
The Cubs total revenue last year was 272M. Their payroll was about 147M. That means they reinvested approximately 54% back into their payroll.
That’s the run down of how the top 5 teams (in terms of revenue) spend their money. Draw whatever conclusions you’d like. I believe the league average is around 47% back into payroll.
So my point is the teams make alot of money, plus some of the teams like the Nationals, Cubs, Braves, Astros, Tigers, Reds,Twins, owners are all worth more than a Billion dollars. If I was worth that and decided to buy a team I would be trying to win by getting the best players.
No, you were insinuating that the Red Sox do not put a lot of revenue back in their team when that is the furthest from the truth. The Yankees, despite popular belief, pocket a larger % of revenue than most teams in the MLB.
No, you were insinuating that the Red Sox do not put a lot of revenue back in their team when that is the furthest from the truth. The Yankees, despite popular belief, pocket a larger % of revenue than most teams in the MLB.
See and now people wonder why this Red Sox Front Office is constantly getting bashed.
Thank you. People love to criticize me on here because of my comments concerning this. I’ve always had good reason to say what I do.
I know, it’s so stupid how some teams don’t just throw money at players without regard to their future…I mean, who cares about the next 8 years anyways? Not like 20-25M will per year will make a difference…/sarcasm
Here’s the difference between your team (Yankees) and the rest of the league: No one wants to pay players past their prime. Every other team tries to avoid “dead” years. If that’s difficult for you to understand, I apologize.
Also, I understand you’re used to your team giving in and overpaying in terms of years/cost….but since when is it a bad thing for a front office to negotiate a contract that works for both the team and the player?
I have no doubt the Sox will get this done. There’s no point in “bashing” either side throughout the negotiation process.
Yes thats true because their players aren’t Hall of famers.
Most baseless comment ever.
Yea I read a lot of what you write and even though some things I may disagree with I do usually agree with you on a lot of topics. The Red Sox Ownership/Front Office is worrying too much about this “Nickle and Dime” Bull Crap. They aren’t willing to go 8 years 160 Million.. Why Not? He’ll be age 36 or 37. Maybe you may have to pay for 2 subpar seasons, but who cares if the guy brings you a bunch of batting titles and MVP’s and Playoff Appearances and Hopefully a World Series, then wasn’t it worth it? Even though the Manny Relationship ended badly I still feel he was worth absolutely every penny, and I have no reason to believe Adrian Gonzalez won’t be either. I think Adrian could end up being Bigger then Manny or David were ever viewed here, especially at the end of the Contract because you can say he did it without steroids, or “Vitamins” as Ortiz Calls them. If Manny didn’t behave the way that he did, I have no reason to believe Manny to this day wouldn’t still be a Boston Red Sox.
I agree with every word you said. This guy is the real deal and yes, has the same cache Manny did. They should just pay the guy and be done with it.
Why pay 8 yrs, 160mil when there’s a chance he will take less? If they really want to take it they can say fine to the 8 yr 160mil contract anytime they want (Cause I doubt anyone will beat that offer).
I think if they open this up to other teams the Padres would get better players and Gonzo would get more money. This is what his agent is saying to Theo!
I think if they open this up to other teams the Padres would get better players and Gonzo would get more money. This is what his agent is saying to Theo!
So just because the Sox didn’t have a deal done in 5 minutes, everyone is ready to jump off the Tobin Bridge? The link by Alex Speier brings up a good point: iron out the specifics now and wait to announce until opening day (like Beckett in 2010). That way, Boston still has flexibility to get Werth or Crawford. Announce the deal now and it counts against Sox luxuary tax calculations. It will get done eventually, but I won’t be surprised if it’s not announced today. Just saying.
Yea well the Red Sox shouldn’t be expecting a newly arrived player to be willing to be like, “oh you want to wait a few months to lock me up? Oh okay that’s great!” The only reason Beckett was probably willing to do it is because hes been on this team for 4 or 5 years and won a world series here, he probably figured “Hey I’ve already been here 4 years been treated great, and they want to pay me to stay for another 4 or 5 years, they must really want me here.” You tell a newly arrived player your not signing him right away doesn’t that kind of make them feel unwanted? Look how it worked out with V Mart and Jason Bay. Am I happy the Bay thing didn’t work out? Sure, but the guy felt pretty unwanted because the Red Sox were acting like idiots.
Totally disagree. This doesn’t mean that the deal isn’t done period. Speculatively speaking of course, they are in fact showing they want him in Boston longterm. First, the Sox traded for him. That shows they want him in Boston. They’re working to sign a deal for long-term security for BOTH SIDES, that point is clear is well, otherwise we wouldn’t be talking about this. So save the unwanted stuff. I would have liked to have both V-Mart and Bay back, but it’s very obvious that the move to get Gonzalez played a role in both. You can’t tell me Theo and company weren’t planning to make this run at Gonzo. Resigning Bay, V-Mart and Beltre would have blocked this move, whether it be lineup related or financially. Also, Sox made a generous offer to keep Bay but there were concerns over his knees remember. Bay’s agent misread the market and tried to bluff to get more money out of Boston and Boston changed directions and went with Lackey. So I blame Bay and his representation on that one. Sox made a good offer to V-Mart but don’t envision him to be a catcher for more years. He jumped for more money and because he didn’t agree with Boston’s plans to DH him. In the end, you have no idea how Bay felt, unless your name is Jason Bay.
Great for the team, sucks for the player. WIll Agonz, who owes the Sox nothing, be willing to risk millions to help the Sox avoid the luxury tax? I mean what’s there to keep the Sox honest and make sure they offer him the same deal later? Effectively, he would be helping them circumvent the rules with no real benefit to himself.
Happens all the time.
I think any player who stands to get the kind of payday Gonzalez does shouldn’t be viewed as someone we should feel sorry for. š
You guys are funny. How is Gonzo risking millions? If the deal is discussed and finalized today, Sox may say “listen, we are willing to commit X years for X money to you…but we want to wait until Spring training to make sure the shoulder is 100% for both our sakes”. That is responsible not only to the Sox but also for Gonzo. And I’m sure Gonzo and Boggs understand. If there was any question to Gonzo’s health, don’t you think they would jump at Boston’s highest offer? Also, Gonzo is due $6M in 2011. Why would Boston want to crank that number up and hurt their chances to address other positions? Why would Boston trade 3 top prospects and then choose to alienate the guy and risk not having him beyond 2011? Seriously.
Because the Sox are taking a hard line in negotiating and if it doesn’t work then they will nix the trade and take their prospects back and return to the “bridge”. Adrian is not going to budge from his demands. He knows what he is worth and his agent knows the market value. If the Sox won’t go 8 years or are trying to save money, then the deal will die. You think Gonzalez wants to delay signing and run the risk of a spring training injury costing him hundreds of millions of dollars? Not a chance.
Theo Epstein should be fired. How do you make a deal like this without knowing how much money it would take to sign him. Gonzalez and his agent had voiced publicly already, weeks ago, that they were looking for Texeria money. The Sox front office is just horrible at negotiating with top tier players. Thanks a lot Theo “Low Ball” Epstein. Lance Berkamn, thats the guy Theo probably wanted.
If this trade falls through, IĀ“m quitting on the Red Sox. This is too much.
Dan Hayes tweeting the word “impasse” and “chance trade won’t happen”. Unbelievable…absolutely unbelievable. Thank you Red Sox front office. You have the second highest payroll in all of baseball and you trade for a player and get exclusive negotiating rights and can’t close the deal. You operate like you are the Pittsburgh Pirates. This is inexcusable
Who is Dan Hayes? I leave you with that.
Buster Olney just reported on SC that the deal is discussed and the sides are far apart but there’s good probability to a compromise in the middle and that A-Gon plays 2011 in Boston. I’ll take Buster’s word over some Dan Hayes guy.
Oh yeah thats great news..another one year wonder like Beltre…this is ridiculous
Not necessarily, he meant Gonzo plays 2011 in Boston, not in San Diego, meaning the deal goes through even if an extension isn’t finalized today.
Not necessarily, he meant Gonzo plays 2011 in Boston, not in San Diego, meaning the deal goes through even if an extension isn’t finalized today.
When the Yankees went for Texeria, they went out and got him, b/c the Red Sox front office was doing the same thing they are doing with Gonzo right now. Playing hardball at the table.
Reading some of these comments, I just sit here somewhat speechless. Let’s put aside the typically unreasonable offseason fantasies (like “I say we get Gonzo, Werth, Crawford, Beltre, Downs, AND Upton!!!!111) put forth by Sox fans for a moment.
Isn’t this the trade Sox fans have yearned about for the last two years? But instead of rejoicing it, I’m reading all these comments about how Theo has screwed everything up, yada yada, based on no factual information.
Let’s at least see how it all plays out first, please.
Since we are now 3 hours away from the deadline and all that is coming out are negative reports, I hardly fault anyone for negative comments. This front office regime has cost us numerous players over they years and I hate to say it but if the Yankees were in our current position, the deal would be done by now.
These comments have been going on for a while. The problem is reacting to every Tweet and morsel released with undue impulse and emotion. We simply just don’t know, so it’s rather clumsy to overreact, imo.
Seriously. You guys just robbed the Padres of an perennial MVP candidate. Do you actually think your front office and owners would pull the football away at the last second like Lucy did with Charlie Brown? People would be burning Red Sox hats in the streets if they screwed this up. The Red Sox are trying their typical hometown discount strategy with this guy. He has no allegiance to Boston yet so it’s not working. In the end they’ll pay him gobs of money and that will be that. I think the Boston writers and front office are playing this up for all the drama they can since they know how cathartic the fanbase will be when this is official. Be happy. The Padres turned themselves into an expansion team. You have the best 1b in the division now. Texeira has forgotten how to hit for average and has turned into Giambi pulling everything to the right side when he hits lefty. Gonzalez is a better hitter. The Red Sox know this. They will pay him.
You think John Henry, Lucchino, and Werner care at all what fans think or if they burn hats in the street? They do not. Theo has his orders and although he may not like it, he works for the owners. When Theo made the trade, I’m sure he anticipated being able to pay Adrian what he wanted. I am only speculating but I would bet a substantial amount of money that it is now Henry that is holding up the contract negotiations. Ultimately, the deal will fall through and John Henry will tweet some nonsense about how “MLB has changed” and “we won’t be a factor for Mr. Gonzalez’s services”.
Please. Hardly robbing the Padres. Sox gave up 3 top prospects AND will have to pay Gonzo. San Diego gets good value in return, possibly more now then they would have at the trade deadline and definitely more than letting him walk for 2 picks. Though I feel for the Padres fans about losing a star player, but it’s within the rules as any Yankee fan has said over the years.
They got robbed man. It’s okay. Be happy your team was able to pull this deal off. You don’t have to pretend they gave up anything close to equal value. When the best people can say about Kelly is he’s an excellent fielder to pump him up at this point, it’s obvious this trade was a joke. It’s the Schilling deal part II. You got him for a song. Your GM was connected and astute enough to pull it off. It’s a good thing.
On the flip side the Padres should be contracted. They don’t belong in major league baseball anymore. The M’s got more for a 1/2 season of Lee. The Brewers got more for a 1/2 season of CC. The Yankees gave up more for Granderson.
The SD front office just paid back the guys who gave them their start and I’m quite certain when the dust settles and the prospects don’t pan out they will be out of jobs and back in Boston in the suite with Theo watching Gonzalez win MVP’s.
Yep, a team the finished one game behind the WS champs last year needs to be contracted.
Please. Hardly robbing the Padres. Sox gave up 3 top prospects AND will have to pay Gonzo. San Diego gets good value in return, possibly more now then they would have at the trade deadline and definitely more than letting him walk for 2 picks. Though I feel for the Padres fans about losing a star player, but it’s within the rules as any Yankee fan has said over the years.
A Gonz is an absolute stud, no doubt about it. That being said, the reality is a Youk at 3rd wtih Gonzalez at 1st won’t out produce the Youk at first and Beltre at 3rd numbers of last year by very much (there will be a slight increase but if Youk would have stayed healhty those numbers will be tough to match). THe reality again is that if Lackey, Beckett and Daiske don’t regain past form, this team isn’t going to the playoffs.
You are absolutely right but I would like the front office to show they have the guts to get this deal done. many, including myself, have lost faith in the GM and ownership group. I know John Henry and Co. don’t care what fans think but they will when the empty seats appear at Fenway. If they won’t go the extra mile to sign A-Gon then it’s time to sell the team and concentrate on your England soccer team John. Good riddance.
Absolutely! And we all know they have the money to get this done. And what bothers me the most is that in the end it`s a few million that`s creating the impasse. Same with Texeria. I really can’t believe they are doing this again. It seem to me that the front office didnĀ“t learn much after losing Tex to the Yankees………2 hours to go =(
They never learn anything becuase they actually believe they are “baseball geniuses.” The arrogance of this organization is astounding.
It actually will out produce youk/beltre. Ok, nothing is certain but I would bet the farm on it.
Beltre only performs well in contract years and is older then gonzo and I would be he doesnt have quite the year he had this year.
Gonzo will have a MUCH better year, he was putting up numbers comparable to beltre while playing in PETCO! On the road gonzo was averaging 15ab to home run for his career! Keep in mind he is playing in pitcher friendly parks except coors in the nl west!
I would be willing to be any money that gonzo has a higher BA/Home runs/RBI/OPS then belte next year if this deal goes through.
In other words in order for your thing to be the reality you claim it to be gonzo would have to have no production increase from hitting in fenway as opposed to petco which is ridiculous.
People need to chill. this is a negotiation and someone is not being straight with the readers. Either McAdam or Hayes is going to lose a bit of credibility, because both cannot be right. Their need to “tweet” every partial sentence they hear is irresponsible but allowable.
It is the players agent’s job to get as much money and time as they can. It is Theo’s job to get the player whilst paying as close to reasonable as he can. Deals are done in the last thirty minutes, not the first 48 hours. Some agents don’t even negotiate until the last 30 minutes, “see boras”.
Hell, if they can save a million or two each year, that could bring in some relievers that could help out the team. Let them pan it out and see what happens!
If they don’t get Gonzo the backup plan could very well be Crawford/Werth and Beltre.
My weekend is ruined. Management should have stayed put. Left Gonzo alone in the first place. Just lose VMart and Beltre and go with what we have. Sure, that would have meant no playoffs for the foreseeable future, but heck, as long as we keep making them money, who cares right? But with this ordeal, they have gone over the deep end. It’s too much. My opinion of the the front is at an all time low.
I hope you don’t live near Tobin Bridge. Step away from the ledge.
Now step back on the ledge and stop posting.
Yeah, I guess I better listen to you. NOT!
That wasn’t to you…
But nice not joke Borat
My apologies haha I thought your reply was to me.
If this falls through I’m done with the Sox until we have a new ownership or at least GM.
Dear Adrian,
I hope you enjoyed your weekend vacation in Boston. I hope your accomodations were up to standard. Please take these medical reports with you back to San Diego so the Padres can pass them along to other interested teams. Please feel free to visit us anytime if you should ever decide you aren’t quite worth Mark Texeira money. We are very frugal here in Boston and we feel Adam LaRoche or Lyle Overbay are worthy alternatives to you.
All the best,
John Henry
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This letter isn’t real.
It’s called tongue-in-cheek.
Dear Adrian,
I hope you enjoyed your weekend vacation in Boston. I hope your accomodations were up to standard. Please take these medical reports with you back to San Diego so the Padres can pass them along to other interested teams. Please feel free to visit us anytime if you should ever decide you aren’t quite worth Mark Texeira money. We are very frugal here in Boston and we feel Adam LaRoche or Lyle Overbay are worthy alternatives to you.
All the best,
John Henry
Isn’t there a minimum age requirement on this site?
There should at least be a drama filter.
Well said. Maybe there is an App for that?
Well said. Maybe there is an App for that?
There should at least be a drama filter.
All this talk about Boston’s management should stop. I’m a Detroit Lions fan, I think I know a thing or two about bad management.
On behalf of rational Red Sox fans I’d like to apologize for some of the above posters. We aren’t all privileged, uneducated crybabies.
2 World Series in the past 7 seasons. In Theo we trust.
One hour and 20 minutes to go!
On behalf of rational Red Sox fans I’d like to apologize for some of the above posters. We aren’t all privileged, uneducated crybabies.
2 World Series in the past 7 seasons. In Theo we trust.
Pull the trigger, Theo! You’re losing fans to heart attacks right now. By the time you wait until 5 min to the deadline, you will have killed as many fans as you’re going to make with this trade!
its not a solid deadline. Its just an opportunity to talk before the trade goes down. The trade can still happen even without a contract in place.
Pull the trigger, Theo! You’re losing fans to heart attacks right now. By the time you wait until 5 min to the deadline, you will have killed as many fans as you’re going to make with this trade!
After seeing the last couple of comments I really don’t feel like scrolling through the last hundred. So here’s my point of view:1) I don’t care what anyone says, I just don’t see anything killing this trade short of actual killings. With or without an extension, Gonzalez will be announced as the new Red Sox first baseman.2) If an extension happens in the next hour it’ll probably be comparable to what Gonzalez would get on the open market.3) If no extension is announced then I’m willing to bet everything I own one will be announced before the all star break.
Thank you for trying to bring some sanity to the board.
The strange thing is in the real world I’m never the voice of sanity.
The strange thing is in the real world I’m never the voice of sanity.
These deadlines don’t mean anything…
After reading all these comments, a lot of you Sox fans come off like babies. I’m a Yankees fan, so I remember all the years we were unequivocally the evil empire that had to have every single big ticket free agent and sometimes if we did low ball a guy and lose out on him (rare, but it’s happened) the fans gave the front office an earful. Basically we felt entitled.You Sox fans have turned into Yankee Fans on steroids. Chill out. It’s a trade and sign- A-Gonz isn’t going to simply take whatever they offer because they’re the Sox. I’m sure he’s happy in San Diego. The Sox aren’t just gonna give him whatever he wants, either, otherwise you’d be giving him 7 years/$280 million or something.You’re not entitled and if this falls through it’s nobody’s fault, it just means the two sides couldn’t agree. That’s business. Deal with it.
1/2 hour to go.
I’m kind of getting the feeling that Gonzo doesn’t want to sign with the Sox, he may want to wait to become a free agent. Then he can pick the team he wants to play for. You can’t beat the weather on the west coast.
I’m starting to think that Gonzo doesn’t want to go to the Sox. He might want to wait to become a free agent, this way he can pick the team he wants to play for. You really can’t beat the weather on the west coast.
I hope the deal falls through.
If this deal falls through it would be one of the ultimate daggers in the heart of the RedSox, this deal has been in the making for 2 years and for it to fall through… let’s just say that it’d be worse than the Mariners teasing the Yankees with Cliff Lee.
It won’t fall through from the Sox side. They have been after this guy for 2 yrs.
True, it really would be awful if it does. I can’t imagine how RedSox Nation would react. Theo just needs to sign him to an extension now. There’s very few players who you sign big contracts for. Teix and CC are those, at least for the regular season. And maybe Cliff Lee for the regular season and postseason as well. Adrian Gonzalez is that type of player. Stop messing around Theo.
From a Yankees fan.
Get it done Theo.
I still think Gonzo will be in Boston on opening day no matter what happens in the next 15 minutes!!!
Not if an extension won’t get done. And apparently an extension won’t get done unless it gets done now. Theo won’t give up 3 of his top prospects for 1 year and end of year negotiating rights.
Good God, Theo. Just go with the extension now. I know you may be up against the luxury tax but maybe you should have thought of that before you tendered a sub par closer for $11mm. You sh!t the bed, now you can sleep in it. Man up and give Gonzo his deal.
If they don’t get him, does this mean the deal is done for good, or would Theo likely offer the same deal lets say in a week or so.
The Padres should open this up to all the teams and then you will see a deal get done.
Boston should still pursue him in july if this doesnt happen
they wont have to give up as much and will be certain on his shoulder issues by then
no way they give up this much for him now without the extension.
Time for the Sox to get Justin Upton and resign Beltre.
bos tried getting him before winter meetings begin so he has leverage over other teams just heard on espn chicago over an hour ago that a surprise team surfaced thats why theres a holdup didnt say what team though
that wouldn’t hold it up the terms of the trade have been agreed on, it’s not the package its the contract.
thats just what i heard
Too much inconsistency in the media. Here’s the WHOLE Rotoworld post.
“Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports that the Red Sox likely won’t go through with the Adrian Gonzalez trade unless they have an “understanding a contract can get done.”
The deadline for contract extension negotiations is 2 p.m. ET on Sunday, so we’ll know soon whether the two sides were able to come to an agreement. Some other media reports have said that Boston will go through with the trade regardless of the negotiation’s outcome. Stay turned.”
There’s too much inconsistency in the media. People say yes, people say no, people say Ok without extension……too much drama. Makes me very curious where people are getting their sources from. Buster Olney was on ESPN saying they’re close, now he’s singing another tune an hour later. Heymen is all over the place. Boston media sounds hopeful (for obvious reasons), San Diego media more pessimistic (for obvious reasons). Too much garbage.
This deal isn’t happening now. They have two minutes.
The deal is off, everyone got excited for nothing.
Time’s up, Theo. What’s the verdict?
deadline reached. lets see what happens
If you make a trade for this guy, you have to already know what it is going to take to sign him. You have to. They knew what it would take. They make the deal and now want to talk him down from what they already knew he was gonna ask? I am a die hard BoSox fan but this kind of stupidity in other parts of the business world, gets people fired. If Theo/Henry blow this and make total idiots of the fanbase and lead them on like this with the end results being, we don’t get the deal done, I am finished with the BoSox. I am firing them.
Yeah if you know what it’s going to take to sign him prior to making/negotiating the trade, it’s called “tampering”, and it’s kinda illegal.
The Sox had about as much of an idea of what exactly it would take to sign him as anyone on this board, namely, a rough guess. Even reporters who have actual sources have been as far apart as 5/125 to 8/180. That’s a wee bit of a spread.
What happened????? Is there anymore news…
Doesn’t make much sense anyways…I would rather bring back Beltre and keep Youkilis at first. Go out and trade for Justin Upton and look into Crawford or Werth.
Having Adrian Gonzalez doesn’t make sense? Ok…
Upton will cost you double to triple what you’re giving for A-Gone.
Not really, Upton has a potential major shoulder injury he hasn’t fixed.
How long is going to take to hear the answer! My god, the agony!
As someone said earlier, it’s not a hard deadline. They obviously made some progress from last night to today. I’m expecting an extension to continue talks. They’ll find a way to make each side happy.
Maybe a 12 hour extension. Theo’s got to want to get this done before winter meetings.
The players today want to pick the place where they want to play. That’s why they wait to become free agents, they have more of a choice.
Gonzo has expressed his desire to play in Boston already.
The White Sox and Paul Konerko are very close to agreeing to a deal, according to Jon Heyman of SI (via Twitter). The slugger and White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf are scheduled to meet tomorrow and seem to be nearing a deal that will pay Konerko $13MM per season.
just wanted to share that incase anyone was hoping to get pk
Wrong thread Matt.
Are the RED SOX seriously going to blow this over money?
Theo is probably trying to get A Gonz to pick up the tab for breakfast today too.
God damn it Theo! Give him a 5yr-125mm deal and Ur done, it’s that damn easy! U can’t make the same mistake u did with texieria. PAY HIM!
Pretty sure he wants 8 years and they offered 6.
edit: typo!
he wants 8 but will take 6
TOOOO LATE!
Looks like we’re going into extras. Aaron Boone, please sit down.
It’s dead people…thanks for all your snarkiness towards my realistic attitude. I was right all along. So call me a child and say I’m just over-dramatic but while your’re saying that always remember I was right and you were wrong. Sell the team John Henry and fire Theo Epstein next. JOKE!!!
This deal is GOING to happen, i’m not even concerned about it anymore, Selig will give Theo as long as he needs to try for this extension, and even if there isn’t an extension. Gonzalez’s camp will agree to discuss a deal during some point in the season.
If there isn’t an extension there isn’t a trade so there will be no negotiating during the season
What is the the Yankees FO quarterbacking this? Even if my jinx doesn’t work, i’m sure these guys can come to some sort of an agreement during the year…
Why even initiate the trade talks with Hoyer if you’re not willing to pay him?? I don’t understand what the hold up here is. You would think that Theo would at least have all his ducks in a row before he offered the prospects. This is just dumb.
Thanks for the update Heyman. How much time is actually involved in “overtime” that baseball allows on these kinds of deals? An hour or two?
All speculation of course. If the talks went down to the wire, there’s obvious interest on both sides. Of course both side would benefit from a deal now. Gonzo wants security so he doesn’t have to move again next winter if he doesn’t return to Boston. Sox could benefit from a deal now to lock him up. That said, Sox want to wait to see how he is in the Spring time coming off shoulder scope. Gonzo’s side know he could put up a Beltre type season in Fenway (except bigger numbers) and make himself look even more impressive as a FA. Sox should go ahead and do the deal now but include an injury clause ala JD Drew where if Gonzo misses significant time due to injury, Sox can negate part of the deal. That should satisfy all parties. Just a thought.
No deal by 2PM and Gonzo’s camp is saying that unless an extention gets done now, there won’t be one? If so, then the Sox should walk away. If they go ahead with the trade anyway, and Gonzo and his agent try to hold the Sox up for huge $$$$$ during the year, and the Sox don’t cave, then they could lose both Gonzo after this year AND the three kids.
Yankees deal imminent.
Watch.
Yup then sign Lee, Crawford, and Soriano oh and trade for Hamilton and Felix Hernandez…sounds just about right
They’re going to play Tex at 3b, Gonzalez at 1b and move Arod back to SS.
They’ll let Jeter greet fans at the door with a high five!
“Welcome to Yankee Stadium, I love you.”
What deal?
A-GONE !
You know, I am shocked that its taking this long. Both sides seem to agree on everything from value to desire to work together. If the only things holding the Sox back are years and luxury tax, it would be a foolish maneuver on their part to let either hold them back. A-Gon is one of few players I’m ok with signing to a Manny-esque contract. 8/161, make him the highest paid player in Red Sox history and lets get this over with! Its rare I’d prefer to give a player years then dollars, but just look at hittracker online. Most of this guys home runs in 2010 were between 390-440 ft. He’s not going anywhere. I haven’t seen anyone besides Pujols and Hamilton connect so cleanly with a baseball when I look at current players. Can you imagine now that pitchers will actually have to put the ball over the plate?
Minutes are ticking away.
If a Deal is done could there be a Press Conference Tonight?
Looks like a balk.
Again just speculation, but I bet the Sox are willing to do the deal and money, just they want to see how Gonzo is in spring training. He can’t swing a bat until March 1, and although he should make a full recovery (remember this isn’t a total repair) I’d be a little hesitant about laying out $160M+ as well. I bet they do the deal and try to work something out to benefit both sides.
Joel Sherman’s tweet says the same. Might be the 1st time I agree with him haha
“Source; gonzalez deal fell thru ”
As a Jays fan… YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
OMGGG HEYMAN
#redsox just could not reach deal w a-gon. #padres
Source; gonzalez deal fell thru
haha this jsut got interesting… its funny watching sox fans cringe at losing there top prospects for 1 year potentially… yikkes!
Deal fell through – Heyman
Thank god from a yankee fan
Diddo from a Jays fan.
#redsox just could not reach deal w a-gon. #padres from heyman. sorry if its true sox fans
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
A-Gon is A-GONE ! How many times have i heard this in the past year !
If Heyman is right…goddamit.
Don’t believe Heyman. He’s been wrong before many many times.
I’m in shock…. Big mistake by the Sox IMO.
LOL
Well, I’ll believe it when we get confirmation. Heyman’s sources have been leading him (AND US) in a circle all day. What a joke.
Wow Theo. You are a piece of work. You should be fired immediately for not being able to negotiate. I absolutely cannot believe this.
This is ridiculous I agree. I am sick of this crap give lackey 5yrs and can’t give gonzo 7 yrs.
It’s on ownership. This isn’t about Theo, guarantee it.
The guy has signed some great extensions and has given you good teams and farms at the same time, and this is coming from a Yankees fan. Don’t be ridiculous.
LMAO how humbling is this for Red Sox fans though. HAHA omg i love reading this upset Sox posts.
If the Sox wouldn’t pay Adrian what he wanted, he better wake up. That means no one can – and this is coming from an SD fan who thought this trade was just atrocious for my team
He probably wasn’t willing to sign one of those completely insane extensions like youkilis and pedroia did. If he’s healthy in 2010 he’ll get what he wants from someone else, and this time it will be a bidding war like tex got.
Yeah but who else would be in on it? The Mets possibly and perhaps the Cubs, and maybe the Nats (since they are apparently in on everybody), but no one will pay more than the Sox
I’m not so sure man, there are teams that aren’t regarded as big market that occasionally whip out the checkbook for the right players. I think agon can be one of them, the guy is relatively young and a complete beast in a pitcher’s park.
He probably wasn’t willing to sign one of those completely insane extensions like youkilis and pedroia did. If he’s healthy in 2010 he’ll get what he wants from someone else, and this time it will be a bidding war like tex got.
Let’s not all jump the shark too early, Heyman has been wrong before, let’s wait for a few more sources to confirm. I don’t want to get too excited as a Yankees fan then it’s a false report by Heyman
Can the guy who stole my av and the guy with the fruity soccer player stop posting, please?
back at ya buddy
As a Sox fan, it’s going to be really hard to follow the rest of the offseason after this kind of flub.
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Source: “Window closed. No deal.” Trying to find out more. #RedSox #Padres #MLB
Thank God, now maybe the Padres can try and equal value in prospects for this guy.
Wow you guys throwing Theo under the bus already. You are the worst fans behind yankee fans. Dude brought you two championships this decade.
This shows you how arrogant they are. The two titles mean nothing. Not getting AGon means Theo is a bum. They are just like Yankee fans…completely ungrateful.
I don’t think Yanks are ungrateful anymore. We were. But with Jeter, Posada and Mo aging out of their playing years, Tex having a subpar season, 2/3’s of Giambi’s contract being a bust with zero WS titles to show for it, Randy Johnson’s time in NY a bust, etc. I think we’ve learned some humility, even with the title from ’09.
Honestly I kind of agree. I’ve been trying to avoid reading these comments as the trade started to fall through, partly for some rude yankees comments, but MOSTLY because so many Boston fans have become extremely conceited. It’s kind of sad for me to admit but lately….Yankees fans have had a bit more class than the majority of Boston fans.
It’s not Theo at this point. It’s ownership. They’ve been so concerned about making money and diversifying, they’ve overlooked the issues in front of them.
The Red Sox are NOT the same team they were 5 years ago. They have obvious holes in the lineup and they cannot fill those holes with the players in AAA/AA because they are either overrated (Anderson) or not ready.
Ownership isn’t going to make these types of commitments when all of these drunk coeds fill the stands each and every game. They don’t see the point – they can fill holes with random pickups (Cameron) and rake in the money.
Sherman
Joelsherman1 Window expired on Gonzo talks without deal and additional time was not asked for #Redsox, #Padres
Pathetic and cruel to put your loyal fans through this BS. How idiotic can a G.M. and owner be to do this? Good luck spinning this one Theo. Good luck on selling any signing after this, nothing will make up for this, nothing.
Good, maybe you can go be a Yankee fan. They spend even more money than your ex team. That should make you happy.
Stupid move on Gonzalez’s part. Last thing you’d want is for the Sox to move on to Fielder and have a major market dry up. Its not like every team can afford a 20 million dollar player, and a lot of the big market teams have already filled their 1B slots.
Rosenthal:
” Teams can still negotiate trade. This is far from over. #Padres #MLB “
So Kelly ALONE for A-Gone right Padres?
So Kelly ALONE for A-Gone right Padres?
Was Rosenthal a part of the negotiations? NO. So where does he get off saying this is far from over.
If this really does die, which is thebigger OOPS. A-gon or A-rod a few years back? Either way, Boston just totally pissed its fan base…
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Source: Window is closed for #RedSox to negotiate extension with AGon. Teams can still negotiate trade. This is far from over. #Padres #MLB
Dont forget they screwed it up with Texeira also
Thanks New England Sports Ventures. 600 million for Liverpool. Eric Wilbur was right. No we see your your priorities lie John Henry. SELL THE TEAM!!!
This is fantastic! Boston have been licking their chops for Gonzalez for years and I guess they just assumed he would play for them for nothing other than privileged of playing for classic Red Sox franchise so they tried to low ball him. This entire deal was way too public and the Red Sox hand being shown is going to make any trades difficult going forward since the rest of the league now knows that Kelly is available.
This is fantastic! Boston have been licking their chops for Gonzalez for years and I guess they just assumed he would play for them for nothing other than privileged of playing for classic Red Sox franchise so they tried to low ball him. This entire deal was way too public and the Red Sox hand being shown is going to make any trades difficult going forward since the rest of the league now knows that Kelly is available.
This has nothing to do with Gonzo wanting to play for them. It has more to do with giving up a high cost of prospects for only 1 year of Gonzo. Get your facts straight.
I was referring to the extension that Theo and Co. bungled. They had to have a pretty good idea of what he was going to want in order to sign an extension and it was completely up to Boston to come up with it. Gonzalez had no reason to waver from exactly what he wanted. So once again, Boston blows a big negotiation by trying to shortchange a player in $$ or years. Theo is not a deal closer.
This is pathertic. The Sox had to konw going in what the parameters were. If they can’t give that kind of money then don’t even go there. Philadelphia, Yankees found a way to make the deals and the Sox can’t. Pathetic.
To be fair, he’s asking for EIGHT years.
To be fair, he’s asking for EIGHT years.
This is pathertic. The Sox had to konw going in what the parameters were. If they can’t give that kind of money then don’t even go there. Philadelphia, Yankees found a way to make the deals and the Sox can’t. Pathetic.
You Redsox fans are so spoiled. This is coming from a Padres fan.
Sorry – but when you win year in and year out and your team isn’t afraid to put money back into the team, you expect to win.
Not our fault the majority of the teams in MLB would prefer that extra yacht over putting out a winning club…
I am a Yankee fan but I agree with everything you said.
The way I look at it, they can either put the money back into the team or into the Henry/Steinbrenner bank account. Then when they put the money into the team they get criticized.
Right – You’ll never hear me complain about the Yankees spending. If their ownership wants to put as much money as possible into the team, they should be able too.
Teams like the Marlins are a joke because they’d rather keep the money and run, instead of investing into their product.
You Redsox fans are so spoiled. This is coming from a Padres fan.
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Ken Rosenthal just tweeted that the extension window may have ended, but the trade is “far from over”.
So the sky hasn’t fallen quite yet.
Go get J-Up. I know he will be expensive but trust me…it will be worth it!
Go get J-Up. I know he will be expensive but trust me…it will be worth it!
I love it!
I love it!
Dumb to ask, but what exactly does it mean now? No trade at all and prospects return to Boston, A-Gone returns to Padres? (Unless something else works out of course)
A trade can still go down. I’m sure Theo will try to pull a prospect back from the offer.
We don’t really know yet, but not necessarily. The Sox could still choose to do the trade, all we know to this point is that an extension wasn’t finalized. They could have the basic parameters agreed to and finalize the deal later, or they could do it hoping to work it out later, or they could send him back to SD.
I’m done with you Theo and ownership! You let Tex go to you rival for a matter of 10 million dollars! That screwed the franchise for 10 years, now you have a opportunity to atone for that and you let it go! Never mind you posted 51 million for a inconsistent 5th starter. You get this deal done or you lose a large part of your fan base because now you want to be bargain basement shoppers! You must think the fan base is retarded giving such lines as “bridge year” well guess what Mike Cameron doesn’t cut it, and the team was unwatchable last year. To say there will be anger if this is true is a understatement!!!!!
The Yankees certainly have more room available on their front running ship. They spend more than 200 million per year so you can be happy supporting them with no problems.
It’s people like you that make me hate Red Sox fans, and I am one. This thread is filled with so many idiots its a joke. The main reason why Theo is hesitant to offer an extension is because they have no clue how his surgically repaired shoulder is going to fare and they would like to atleast see him in Spring Training before they give him Texeira type money, how is this hard for you monkeys to fathom?
Unless it was major surgery, Gonzalez has played at least 156 games each year as a starter.
So I don’t think there was much risk – I think the problem is years, which has been the Red Sox problem now for some time…
hahahhaha how bad do you feel?
The Padres GM is an idiot if he accepts less than what they have already been offered, extension or not.
Padres GM better not accept a package of only two of those prospects..
It sounds like Heyman jumped the gun on this one and everyone took it as fact. The trade did not fall through, the negotiating window is just over. That means the trade could still go through if the Sox are confident that they can sign him to an extension in the future. It is FAR from over. I still fully expect AGon to be playing 1B @ Fenway Park in 2011.
The Padres are playing in Boston next season?
A-Gon’s agents already said they will not negotiate an extension during the year.
They said during the year, but not during ST….just saying, it could definitely still happen and most likely will…just a bigger risk for the Sox at this point
WHAT??? HEYMAN JUMPING THE GUN?????? SAY IT AIN’T SO!!! haha
What a joke. Heymen should be fired long before Theo on this one haha
I agree. AGon is going to play for the RSox in 2011. I’m padre fan
Looks good on you, Sox fans. Sunday, bloody Sunday!
Could be a bloody Monday if the Jets beat the Patriots.
GO NATION GO!!!
If the deal is truly dead, and I think it is, I have mixed emotions about it. I agree with the majority of folks in the sense that Gonzalez was Theo’s boy. He’s wanted him for a while, they had a pretty good idea what it would take to get a deal done and couldn’t? I just can’t get my mind around that part. On the other hand, I was a little bummed about losing Kelly and Fuentes in the deal. And I was nervous about Youk moving back to 3rd…I mean the guy isn’t getting any younger.
im sure the trade will still happen. Just give it time..
LMAO. Yeah rationalize. Deal is not happening. The Red Sox missed one. Forget it. Focus on rebuilding now.
honestly they have been close 6 times in the last 365 days give me a break with your macho ‘ i know better than the gms’ attitude. deal may not happen today but you can be sure that they will resume talking until the trading deadline.
and rebuilding they won 90 games last year? lol they want to sign a crawford or a werth how could they be rebuilding. Heres a Yankee fan saying if you think their rebuilding your out of your mind.
good point though man. deal happened.
Why would the Pads go back to Boston if Gonzo won’t sign there? Shop him around in other places, teams that will give him his money. They just lost value with him though, not many teams can out pay the BoSox.
Jay Jackson, Tyler Colvin, and Kyler Burke (maybe PTBNL too) for Gonzo
6 years 21 per year
Not only is that trade proposal worse than what Boston offered but that extension probably is too. Congrats. 2 for 2.
if 6/21 is what he wants, the sox would jump at that. he clearly wants 8/25
sorry 8/23 or 24… 25 would make him a 200 mil player, which he is not
No chance the Pads even consider that. Plus the Cubs have been dumping salaries and would probably have insufficient funds to land Gonzo anyways.
If they want anyone in the stands they’ll have to do something.
Like I said, I can’t see them even getting the same offer for Gonzo after the deal falling through, especially with the Yankees and Red Sox not in on him after this.
Um the deal is worse but take out Burke and add Vitters and Marquez Smith and it looks like a deal, but I would rather give him a five year deal worth 125 mil than anything close to 8 years.
I was thinking the PTBNL would be Vitters.
Yeah I could see that but Kyler Burke didn`t do well this year in high A so I think someone like Smith who is only 25 and has been in AAA for 2 years would suffice.
How long before Peter Gammons calls Gonzalez injury prone and a head case?
hullo, are you mike wilner?
Casey Kelly just went from being a middle of the rotation guy at the Padres …. too being an ace and future HOF back at the Redsox – Peter Gammons
Best post of the day!
“In Theo We Trust” HA YEA RIGHT I wouldn’t trust him with anything.
2 world series championships? Young players who are contributing?
I Don’t care he’s good at one thing, Prospects, I don’t give a shit about JUST Prospects, if he likes Prospects so much, then why doesn’t he just become our lead scouter for choosing our draft picks since that’s all he’s good for.
Oh ok, so how the hell do you think they won the WS twice?!? What teams have won 2 WS in one decade? Yankees, sox. Go back to the 90s, yankees the only one right? Its not easy to do.
Blue Jays did.
Not making the playoffs for the next 5 years.. Priceless
A lot less than 16 and counting for the Blue Jays (no offense).
Would you like to bet on that?
Why you asking me? He’s the one who said it.
yawn…it helps when you have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball and can sign people that a large majority of the rest of the league can’t.
If any other team (save for the Yankees) signed JD Drew to that ridiculous contract, they would be hamstrung and wouldn’t be able to sign certain players because of the damage it does to the payroll. Theo is allowed to just ignore his little abortion of a contract and ink Werth to even more $$ to play the same position.
Some of the posters on this site could do a better job as Red Sox GM than Theo Epstein. He just got lucky and was given the keys.
Fact of the matter is, with these clowns Heymen and Olney running around, all the chicken little’s here, the only thing that ended was the extension window, which isn’t really a hard close anyways. WEEI said as of 2pm both sides are still talking, they just have work to do to get a deal done. The trade will happen, players may get shifted around a little, who knows. This isn’t a done deal.
I won’t even respond but alot of the non-Red Sox fan behavior here is ridiculous. Talk about sour grapes.
other than alex speier, the rest of WEEI is a bunch of clowns too
Don’t stop…BELIEEEV–‘IN!
(sorry, couldn’t resist)
I rest my case as I get jumped on by non-Red Sox fans. Thanks for proving my point for me ladies. And yes, I am dealing with it just fine as I’m sure you all feel much better today. Sour grapes.
I wish I shared your optimism.
Sour grapes doesn’t even begin to describe some of the people that post on here.
We’re reacting to this so passionately because of the boasting from the Red Sox from this deal ALL DAY YESTERDAY. For once something does not work out perfectly for the Red Sox and still you fans can’t be humble.
TIP: Stop rationalizing about this deal. NOT HAPPENING.
Thanks for your comments but we all know what your agenda is here. And i’m not sure what “boasting” you’re referring to. Yes I’m sure some people were happy at the potential move to improve the Sawks (if you go to Boston, you’ll get why I spell it like that) but didn’t see anything horrendous. Honestly, it really comes off as sour grapes on posters such as yourself today. For once? See A-Rod trade, Tex FA, Damon FA, Pedro FA, Bay FA, V-Mart FA, ect. I certainly won’t defend Boston’s payroll antics vs. a small market team such as the Padres, but rubbing this into Boston fans faces is pretty shallow, especially since there are alot of good fans on this site.
Thank you. Please save your tips. I prefer to get mine from clients.
You’re killin’ me Smalls!!!
Obviously the Harang signing had an influence on Gonzalez to stay in SD.
tomkrasovic Tom Krasovic
A-Gon agent J. Boggs: “All I can say is, it was very disappointing it could not work out. We’re very busy at this point.” #Padres. #Red Sox.
It pains me to say I’m not surprised. Theo and ownership are very bad at negotiating big $ F/A deals. They just can’t play with the big boys, like Cashman, Hal and Hank, or Amaro/Montgomery. We’ve seen this time and time again, where they get into the deal and just can’t consummate it. Its disheartening, and certainly a good enough reason to stop caring about the team. Fans are entitled to want/demand more from their front office in return for their devotion.
But I suppose that the Padres could actually sign him to an extension and then trade him, not subject to any MLB deadline.
This isn’t the NBA with the sign and trade sh-t.
If the Padres kick down $160M over the next 8 years, why would they trade him.
Because the Sox’ window closed and the Pads still want 4 prospects for someone they cannot afford to pay, starting in 2012.
I can see Theo shopping at Tiffinys with coupons.
You know what’s more annoying than Red Sox fans? Other fans complaining about them all the time.
Or the guy complaining about those guys.
Or you
Or the guy complaining about those annoying than Red Sox fans complaining about the Red Sox all the time.
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Definitly this guy
Hmmmm… nope, still Red Sox fans.Honestly though, it’s not the real Sox fans that I hate. It’s the ones that suddenly crawled out of the sewers in October 2004 and think they suddenly know more than everyone else.
Also is anyone pointing out that if they DO make the trade still and work out an extension in the spring,then it doesn’t hit on the luxury tax? I’m willing to be that its just some shenanigans surrounding that.
I get the feeling that the two clubs have agreed on the package but have decided to revisit the issue later when they can verify A Gone’s health and nail down a contract. He’s not likely to do better than Boston’s best offer.
LOL or the deal fell through forever. LOL i love the rationalizing.
Funny, I get the feeling that Gonzo wants to become a free agent and doesn’t want to play for the Sox.
Funny, I get the feeling that Gonzo wants to wait and become a free agent. I don’t think he wanted to play for the Sox.
pgammo Peter Gammons
AG leaves Boston @ 4:30
LETS HOPE A DEAL IS DONE BY THENNNNN š
Like he couldn’t take a later flight
Let’s not make premature comments yet people~~ No on knows what’s going on except the Sox frontoffice~~ I still believe in Theo to make this deal done by the end of things~~
Totally agree, noone knows what was the sticking point. Noone knows what the Sox offered, what Gonzo wanted, what the exact sticking point is. All we’re hearing is pure speculation from everyone tweeting their “source” LOL
If you go to wal-mart and you really, really, really been wanting that new Sony PS3 game and you finally tell the sales clerk, “thats it right there, thats the one I been wanting for 2 years” Then you get to the register and they say, “that will be 70 bucks” you dont say, “can I give you 40?”
You are right. I wouldn’t complain about getting the huge discount on the PS3. $70 is a bargain!
I think a bigger problem for the bsox is if they continue with this trade n dont get a deal done in ST, is wat do you hope for? Do you hope he has a monster year like beltre had n have him want to search truly for a Tex deal which right now i still think he deserves, or do you hope for a down year or an injury to see if u can low ball him. Its a big if but its definitely something they r thinking about. I just dont think the risk of giving this guy the money he deserves out ways the shoulder issue or anything else the bsox r trying to say
At the same time, this PS3 game is used. And there’s some scratches on the disc and the last kid that had it really played it a lot. So, you’ve got to ask yourself. Do you trust the guy at the store who says that the game is fine and ready to play? Or, do you say, “sorry, but I can’t in good conscience pay market-value for a new game when this game has known issues and might not work for a long period of time for me.”
Gonzalez is coming off of surgery and the Red Sox would be smart to wait to see if he “freezes or skips” in Spring Training before committing long term.
But you already made the deal, so you know about the scratches. You already tested it with your doctor.
Yeah, but you haven’t played it for an extended period of time. Maybe it will work for the first couple of levels. But, once you get to that big boss match towards the end of the game, you don’t want it freezing and breaking due to overuse and misuse do you?
Then you don’t go to the store in the first place
But, you’ve wanted this for 2 years.
I know but like Blu Ray Disks, Adrian Gonzalez is very Strong and Durable.
PS3 still sucks though so why are we making this comparison? A-Gon doesn’t suck.
This metaphor has confused me.
Olney just said on ESPN (live? it was at least after 2pm eastern) the deal isn’t dead, and someone or some graphic said it would become official very soon
News Media Pisses me off. Their the ones making this whole thing 10x worse.
Olney tweets that its fair for A-Gon to get Teixeira, and could get a lot of bidders if he played out the year in SD.
Come on Boston….swallow your pride a bit here, and just finish the job while you’ve got the chance.
Nothing would make me smile more than Anthopoulos swooping in with a lesser package of prospects and nabbing Gonzo after this.
Meh.. I’d rather keep Drabek than having A-Gon for a year.
Well, if the Jays could work out an extension I’d be happy about it as long as the Jays don’t give up Snider. Drabek I’m fine with.
was just about to post the same thing.. that’d make a real interesting AL East race
i cant believe boston wont offer ADRIAN GONZO a tex deal but they gave lackey the burnett deal…..adrian is young left handed tons of power great obp and the second best D for a 1st basemen..give him the 8 yrs 180 and move him to DH eventually
Move him to DH eventually? The guy is a Gold Glove 1st baseman for Gawd sakes. He would only be 36 after an 8 year contract.
gold gloves are meaningless.
In 2010: AGon was 8th Best Fielding Firstbasemen
in 2009: 2nd
2008: 15th
2007: 15th
2006: 3rd(significantly behind Pujols for best and a decent margin behind 2nd)
So out of actual stat driven data, he’s been the 2nd best 1st basemen 1 time, outside the top 8 3 times. Basically he’s your average defender that gets a lot of recognition for no reason, basically, JUST like mark teixeira, another 1st basemen that doesn’t make many errors but won’t get to many balls either and when he can reach them its by diving which makes them look so spectacular compared to the actual range of motion they have.
As a die hard Yankee fan, I hope this trade goes through. Call me crazy but, if the Sox can acquire A-gon maybe the rivalry will heat up again because the past couple of years the Yankee-Red Sox rivalry has just cooled off and kind of gotten boring. The new rivalries like (for the Yankees) Rays, Rangers just dont amount to the rivalry the Yankees-Red Sox have had, there has not been THAT much excitement about the rivalry.
Appreciate the sentiment from you and respect your opinion. However, this thing is dead and it has been for a long time. John Henry will not allow Theo to give anyone 8 years and he especially won’t pay a Texeira contract to Gonzalez. Henry is a complete fool and has cost Boston yet another star player. The Steinbrenner family would have gotten this done. You’re lucky to have an ownership that is 100 % committed to your team.
As someone who hates the Red Sox, I feel for their fans if this deal is truly dead. Theo did an amazing job getting the Padres to take that package for Gonzalez. It was truly a steal of a deal in my opinion and would give them the best 1b in the division since I don’t think Tex is quite the hitter that Gonzalez is.
Seriously, I know I go after Red Sox guys all the time on here but this is a let down if true. It was a killer deal for Boston.
yeah it’s crazy to have exclusive negotiating rights with the guy and not be able to get it done. It just has to do with the arrogance of the ownership group. Theo did his job by getting the trade done as far as players but when money comes up, it’s the owners who crush Sox fans hopes.
yeah it’s crazy to have exclusive negotiating rights with the guy and not be able to get it done. It just has to do with the arrogance of the ownership group. Theo did his job by getting the trade done as far as players but when money comes up, it’s the owners who crush Sox fans hopes.
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Sounds good. I just thought it started a lot earlier than the post I saw deleted, so I was a bit confused. But you guys do what ya do.
Honestly…I mostly thought maybe it was my computer freaking out and making things disappear. So whatever your rationale is sounds good, as long as its not my computers fault. š
I Wonder if any of this has to do with the Athletics pulling back their offer to Beltre?
If it doesn’t happen, I wouldn’t rib the Red Sox too hard. I am sure they have a very good reason for not pulling the trigger. That being said, I still think this deal happens.
How would it still happen? He’s left Boston, his agent has said they are disapointed, and the Red Sox did not ask for a negotiating extension? I’m not arguing just wondering how you could think it will happen?
Color me surprised. The Red Sox absolutely robbed the Padres in the trade portion. I just can’t understand not offering him Tex’s deal. It’s the cost of doing business for an MVP 1b.
I still don’t think this deal is dead and I can’t stand the Red Sox. How do you go back to your fans with Beltre after this? I know Beltre had a great season but he’s much more of risk in a long term deal based on his history.
I don’t think the Padres were “robbed” in the least bit. I am surprised that they didn’t ask for at least one MLB-ready player in the deal.
Oh yeah, Pads got a good return too. My opinion is just that Red Sox really didn’t end up losing anyone that hurt them. Almost the definition of a win-win trade in my opinion….until Boston couldn’t make the extension happen =
Oh yeah, Pads got a good return too. My opinion is just that Red Sox really didn’t end up losing anyone that hurt them. Almost the definition of a win-win trade in my opinion….until Boston couldn’t make the extension happen =
Agreed. This is a shocker, after the great trade they pulled, that they could get the extension done. I’m still hopeful they wake up and get it done, but who knows now…I’m just completely dumbfounded right now.
Especially after you’ve now shown Beltre he wasn’t your first choice. The fans will be angry (as I am) but the ownership doesn’t care. John henry doesn’t see the disapointed faces, he just sees the dollar signs ge saved by not approving the deal.
They didn’t rob anyone.. The Padres have little leverage in the situation considering there is zero change in re-signing him, he just had a shoulder operation, no one will give up prospects for a 1 year rental player, and there are only a few teams that can afford to pay him the huge extension required for forfeiting such a good package of prospects.
They robbed em.
I just don’t understand how they didn’t go into the negotiations expecting to give him a Tex type deal. That’s what he’s said it would take.
Only real difference between Gonzalez and Tex is that Tex is a switch-hitter. But with the way Gonzo hits lefties, it’s pretty much moot, and I think that Gonzo is a better defender. He definitely deserves more than Howard and at least as much as Tex
This is how – Theo – “Adrian was always our first option and we are glad to have him back.” Reporter – “What happened with the other Adrian” – Theo – “Sorry we don’t have any more time for questions today.”
Haha! If Theo did that, it might be enough for me to forgive him for all this. That would just be too priceless.
You’re so right and that would be followed by a bunch of emails and tweets from John Henry that made no sense. Lucchio will then shoot his mouth off with something offensive and Tom Werner will throw Theo under the bus saying we’ll make more trades
Look on the bright side Red Sox fans, the last time you guys had a trade that basically went through but fell short in the end, you won the World Series.
yeah and the time before they were almost stuck with A-rod nasty contract
Was it mentioned how much Texas would pay A-Rod if the deal went through and he went to Boston? Because before the opt out, the Yankees were only playing A-Rod about $14 million a year while Texas was paying the remainder. That’s far from nasty for the Yankees.
no i dont believe it was, but the sox would have sent manny to the rangers so presumabley they still would have been paying a lot
Was it mentioned how much Texas would pay A-Rod if the deal went through and he went to Boston? Because before the opt out, the Yankees were only playing A-Rod about $14 million a year while Texas was paying the remainder. That’s far from nasty for the Yankees.
BSPN (No that’s not a misprint) hasn’t even said a word on this. When the Clilff Lee deal fell through for the Yankees, it was posted in seconds. When A-Gon was traded the other day, it was posted it seconds. This trade, while not officialy dead, is not done, it hasn’t even been said yet And it happened over an hour and a half agoBSPN article since the other day. Sources: Red Sox to obtain Gonzalez
Now it’s posted but it’s only on the Boston ESPN page.
Now it’s posted but it’s only on the Boston ESPN page.
Cause nobody’s sure yet what to post instead, I think.
I agree, noone knows what’s going on except for the Red Sox, Padres’s and Gonzo’s reps.
Olney tweets that the dodgers, angels, rangers, braves, orioles, and nats could be in on gonzalez in the offseason. Anybody see those teams beating 6/21?
Angels maybe.
Yes, all of them. He will never be a Boston Red Sox player. Boston had their chance and they blew it. Welcome back Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, and Rey Fuentes. I hope you all have wonderful careers for the Boston Red Sox.
Yeah, I don’t know what they’d do with Morales though – I guess they could DH him or possibly move him to the OF. Gonzo may have walked away from his best offer.
On the other hand, maybe Gonzo changed his mind after seeing the weather in Boston and will now sign for a SD discount. haha us padre fans can hope
Yeah its tough even for the Angels. I think they’d be the ones really ready to spend for him, but the position jam-up makes that interesting as well.
Haha, if Gonz doesn’t go Boston, SD is the next best place in my opinion š Don’t really want to see a big AL competitor nab him, such as LAA or Texas.
Yeah, I don’t know what they’d do with Morales though – I guess they could DH him or possibly move him to the OF. Gonzo may have walked away from his best offer.
On the other hand, maybe Gonzo changed his mind after seeing the weather in Boston and will now sign for a SD discount. haha us padre fans can hope
Why would the Angels be in on him when they have Kendry Morales?
so…… all that for nothing
I have a huge problem with a team that makes over 300 mill a year b/c of their fans, then gets cheap when it comes the time to spend the money on quality players…….
Every team does it.
NY makes billions but “only” spends 250 million. Pirates earn more than they spend even. It’s called making a profit.
Not saying I approve, just saying you need to think this through a bit.
and the Yankees are overpayers, I know, but at least when they are out for someone they don’t beat around the bush.
Every team does it.
NY makes billions but “only” spends 250 million. Pirates earn more than they spend even. It’s called making a profit.
Not saying I approve, just saying you need to think this through a bit.
Careful, no complaining. They will tell you to shut up like they did to me. Don’t you know we aren’t allowed to be disapointed because the ownership group brought us two world series. Nevermind ’04 was with Duquette’s players
I agree, the 2004 was pretty much all Dukes. And with the exception of Lowell and Becket, so was the 07 team. And Epstein wasn’t involved in that trade either. I`m trying to figure out how much has Epstein contributed to those to championship teams.
Dude, how do you think Padres fans feel? We voted for a spanking brand new downtown ballpark and our ownership group cant even have a payroll over $40 million lol.
Is it “illegal” or “a violation”, not sure what the proper term is, to do such negotiations over the phone instead of having to fly to meet?
I’m sure there has to be signing involved, but nonetheless, it would make sense, if there’s no violation or something, to agree over the phone, and then go and sign papers. As it turns out, Adrian and his agent went to Boston for nothing.
Not sure about the rest of you, but I’d be pissed if I had to fly over 3000 miles for nothing. (Not to mention 3000 miles back).
Nothing? He probably turned down a minimum of $120m
I’m not talking about the amount offered as being “nothing”.
Go Celtics!!!
Go Pats! best team in football!
agreed
Cmon sox fans! Theres no way they did all of this and could possibly just giving up on the whole thing. He will be the red sox starting 1st basemen soon.
How?
I am still laughing at all the sox posts yesterday. “So we now have a lineup of 1B Adrian Gonzalez…….” LOL
“The Gonzalez trade was a steal!!!” LOL—-In the future, if something is too good to be true, it probably is.
So much for the “steal” I’m really relishing this now given most red sox fans feeling of entitlement to have adrian and joking that hoyer was still working for them. THIS IS GREAT!!!
Confirmation from Ian Browne @ mlb.com, Peter Gammons from MLB network, and Gonzalez agent to aol fanhouse. Deal is dead. There was simply no way the Red Sox were going to give up that prospect haul for one year of a guy the obviously felt they had no chance to sign long term. It is unfortunate.
Could’ve had 21 mil a year. Enjoy 6.2 mil in San Diego this year Adrian. You have a wonderful agent let me tell you.
I think he’ll get 25 million a year as a free agent.
Could’ve had 21 mil a year. Enjoy 6.2 mil in San Diego this year Adrian. You have a wonderful agent let me tell you.
Talk about a ” the price is right losing horn” situation. You’re after a guy for more then a year and then, you refuse to pay him. Good job, Theo, you should have think about that BEFORE making the trade…
Talk about a ” the price is right losing horn” situation. You’re after a guy for more then a year and then, you refuse to pay him. Good job, Theo, you should have think about that BEFORE making the trade…
And the Nats sign Werth, I guess 7 years and we walked away offering 5 to A GONZ? Nice work Theo. That Sham Wow dude can’t sell this crap to the fans.
The Nats can have Werth. I never liked that dude.
You bet the Yankees will land one or two big free agents this offseason. Cliff Lee, Werth or Crawford. (And may trade for Greinke). Mind you, the Yankees at this point in time, are the best team in the League. The Sox, IMHO, will bring back Beltre and sign Werth in a best case scenario. Maybe the Rays won`t be as competitive this year, and management is counting on that. WeĀ“ll finish second in the division. Maybe, maybe, fight for a wild card, if everyone is healthy. Then get crushed in the playoffs.
To Bad Werth is longer a FA.
I just read that =( Theo is running out of hands……
I really think Boston overestimated what not having the Yankees as a legit bidder for Gonzalez as a free agent meant. I think they thought Gonzalez was just supposed to melt into their laps for what they figured was an offer they could live with since the Yankees will never be a bidder for him. Gonzalez and his agent must have some kind of inkling and assurance that if he hits the market, 8 years and 180 is the starting point. I also think Gonzalez is smartest to let Pujols set the market with his extension in St. Louis and then piggypack on that. The Red Sox looks like they tried to get a steal in the trade department and in the contract department and it backfired for now. I still don’t count them out of obtaining him unless I read Gammons or any other Boston writer start a greedy player campaign in regards to Gonzalez. Once that happens, you know the team has truly moved on.
“I also think Gonzalez is smartest to let Pujols set the market with his extension in St. Louis and then piggypack on that. ”
What if Pujols discounts himself to remain a Cardinal the rest of his career and then that would be stupid cause if Pujols signs for 10/180 or something…then Pujols is the most consistent good fielding 1b in the league and the consistently best hitter in the game…there is no way he’d get anywhere near that.
I think Pujols wants to exceed Arod’s contract numbers or come close to it. I don’t see him discounting himself in any way. Gonzalez and Fielder want to use Pujols as a benchmark. Pujols can’t take less than the Texeria deal.
Well, now that Werth is off the market (to the Nationals), V-Mart to the Tigers, what is Theo and company going to do? The dominos are falling now. Do they go hard after Crawford now or try to figure a deal with Gonzo?
I don’t think this situation is over by a longshot, the extension window is closed but a deal done now or two weeks from now makes no difference.
And you think that the Sox will give their best prospects for a ” maybe ” situation? Not happenning unless both side are very close.
I think they find a way to make the deal happen and Gonzo gets paid. For all the work over 4 days for it not to happen is ludicrous.
What an awful day. The entire offseason has fallen apart in a span of 3 hours. A-Gon=Gone, Werth=Gone, wouldn’t be surprised to see Lee and Crawford sign with the Yanks today.
The curtain has fallen on the red sox for 2011……
As a Sox fan I am very disappointed, BUT my GOD, unlike some of people here with the patience of a 5-yr old I’m willing to reserve judgement ’til the end of the offseason.
So… Let me get this straight .. A Small Market Team was willing to give a Slightly above average player 7 years probably 17ish Million a year, but the 2nd Biggest Ball Club in Baseball isn’t willing to give a SUPERSTAR Player 8 years at about 23 Million each. Okay that makes perfect sense.
also older, Werth is 3 years older than Gonzo….and HE gets 7 years….good for the Nats, they got the player they wanted. Kudos to them!
Tell me about it! I’m sick to my stomach over the Sox penny pinching with stars! Yet the Drews, Dice-K’s, and Lackeys get wheelbarrows of cash delivered to them! I’m sick of the fact that Boston is the only team that could make something easy sooo damned difficult! This is why we’re back chasing the damned Yankees again!
Gonzalez is not a superstar. He is vastly overrated from facing horrible pitching and being surrounded by idiots in his lineup. I bet he falls apart in Boston, can’t handle the pressure, and ends up out of baseball by 2013.
Sorry, I just wanted to be as idiotic and out-of-line as a lot of posters on this thread.
I almost wish Beltre would have signed with the A’s just to see how much Theo could sweat at the next interview. The Yankees at least kept their players who could have left. We didn’t even stand pat with what we had. If Beltre leaves we end up replacing Victor and Beltre with Lowrie and Salty or maybe Pena and Salty. Plus we watch other teams get Lee, Crawford, Werth and eventually a guy we had finally gotten in a trade. The smartest person in Boston is John Lackey.
I bet Theo is looking into Russel Branyan. Let`s not despair.
I don’t almost wish it, I 100% Wish it, come on Angels I want to see Theo Sweat!
Sean McAdam is saying the deal’s likely to still go through and to be honest, I’ve got no idea how the Red Sox wiggle out of pulling the trigger and taking the risk.
For one, this is going to be a PR disaster that’s going to make Mark Texeira look like a bathtub fart. Dangling this in front of the fan’s faces and then not delivering isn’t going to go well.
Second, it sets a terrible precedent for the organization heading forward, which is that they’re not a place where you can get long year, big money deals. If I’m Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder, I don’t know if Boston’s where I want to go. The willingness to dump multi-year deals and overpay for middle of the road players but balk at elite players has really just gotten to the point of silliness. I’m all for giving years and dollars to certain guys. Victor Martinez and Jason Bay were not 5+ year guys. Adrian Gonzalez is.
Third, it’s just borderline incomprehensible to me that the Red Sox, after pursuing this guy for two years, work like crazy to bring him into the fold, are willing to let go of tons of prospects, send Theo out to San Diego personally to go GET HIM, fly him ALL THE WAY back to Boston to negotiate a deal – and still find a way to NOT get the job done. It just really looks like embarrassingly bad planning on the Red Sox part, or a complete and total overestimation of what they could accomplish in the negotiating process.
To me, I don’t get why this is such a hard deal to get done. He wants 8 years, the Sox want six. Give him seven and a signing bonus to bring his salary next year to the rest of the contract. Simple as that.
At this point, I’ve got no idea how they don’t take the risk and bring him in anyway. I feel like if they give this through the winter meetings, that someone’s going to pony up. If Jim Hendry gave Milton Bradley the deal he did, he’ll do a HUGE deal for Gonzalez and probably give up a boat load of prospects to get him. I feel like if the Sox let him go, it’s off the table forever.
If I could like this 5,000,000 and then some I would!
Nice post, I agree with you 100%. I think there’s “other things” at work here, pretty much just stuff at the negotiating table. Gonzo and his reps have the advantage and they should use that to get a deal. We can only speculate at how things went down. Now that Werth is off the table, this may make Theo and co rethink their position. Noone has said the deal is off the table. I think this gets done during the week when the smoke has cleered a little.Until then, we can only suffer and wait (and suffer some more).
Losing Victor Martinez and probably Adrian Beltre and Jonathan Paplebon couple that with NOT completing a trade for Adrian Gonzalez = Worst Offseason in Red Sox history?!? Right now, the Red Sox are BY FAR a worse club heading into 2011.
Ummmmmmm…have you ever heard of the Pirates??? Are you kidding me?? your saying the red sox are the worst team in the league right now??? Just cause they didn’t get Agonz? They are a VERY talented team as it is right now….they just need a couple pieces.. NO WHERE NEAR the worst team in the league…. REALLY?
“Sox are BY FAR a worse club heading into 2011.” He said A worse club, meaning worse then last year, not THE worse club in the league..
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“Sox are BY FAR a worse club heading into 2011.” He said A worse club, meaning worse then last year, not THE worse club in the league..
Ummmmmmm…have you ever heard of the Pirates??? Are you kidding me?? your saying the red sox are the worst team in the league right now??? Just cause they didn’t get Agonz? They are a VERY talented team as it is right now….they just need a couple pieces.. NO WHERE NEAR the worst team in the league…. REALLY?
I’m a Blue Jay fan, I don’t what the hey your talking about. I bet Boston is going to win the East 2011. Bank on it, I really mean it.
I’m a Blue Jay fan, I don’t what the hey your talking about. I bet Boston is going to win the East 2011. Bank on it, I really mean it.
Things could be alot worse, like another injury plagued season.
At least we still have Dice-K (chuckle)
Here is a concept I am not grasping totally, does the Red Sox ownership not realize that like the saying, “you have to give up something good to get something good back in return,” that you also have to spend plenty of money in order to make plenty of money back in return. I hate comparing the Red Sox to the Yankee’s and I’m sorry but what I’m about to say is true. The Yankee’s have figured out that when you spend money, you gain it back and then some in ticket sales, playoff appearances, selling merchandise, commercial deals, and all that other good stuff. Sure the Steinbrenners were already loaded to begin with but so isn’t the Red Sox ownership. The Steinbrenners aren’t Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. I’m not saying the Red Sox are, all I’m saying is the Yankee’s know what to do with the money they earn, and every year they keep making more and more of it.
This is very very very true. I am a HUGE redsox fan and despise the yanks, but come on now, the yankee’s go out there and pay that kind of money to a free agent every year, some not always working out. Here the Redsox are not willing to pay one of the best first baseman’s in all of baseball. Ridiculous.
And here’s the bigger problem for the Red Sox. If they don’t get this extension done know, they can kiss any chance of Gonzalez signing with them next winter, I would think. If Theo isn’t showing Gonzo the “respect” now to give him a big deal, why would Gonzo even entertain an offer when he becomes a free agent.
Unless of course Theo is the smartest man alive and has a deal worked out with Gonzalez for next winter waiting in the wings and just won’t pull the trigger now to keep his prospects. If that’s the case he just got permission from Hoyer to work out a deal a year ahead of time and will just try to get through this season with what he’s got. I know it sounds a little JFK, but this could just be a conspriacy. š
This also goes to John Le Clair
Everyone always assumes that it’s always about the money when the Yankees and a FA is involved. That’s not the only factor in these matters that seperate the Yankees and the Red Sox. Seems like the Yankees always do their homework and take care of all the details when dealing with FA’s and the Red Sox don’t. There has never been an instance where the Yankees made a deal with a FA and it fell apart. Why? Because they do their due diligence, something that Old man Steinbrenner learned after signing Dave Winfield, and made certain that all deals were solid, with the i’s dotted and the t’s crossed before any deal was announced. The Red Sox FO has a history of making deals and going about them in a half baked sort of way. I mean they try to low ball every FA out there, especially when they believe there are no other competitors.
This whole deal with Gonzalez is another example. How could they have not had a deal set with Gonzalez’s agent before hand? I mean he is the most important componant in the whole deal. The players that were to be sent to SD were secondary to the whole deal. Without Gonzalez in agreement to the money the deal is non-existant, which is where we are today. Not to sound like a Yankees homer, but the Yankees would never be caught with their pants down in a fiasco such as this.
This is very very very true. I am a HUGE redsox fan and despise the yanks, but come on now, the yankee’s go out there and pay that kind of money to a free agent every year, some not always working out. Here the Redsox are not willing to pay one of the best first baseman’s in all of baseball. Ridiculous.
Mets need to swoop in and offer Reyes, Davis and a couple of their prospects for Gonzales, who is just about the only guy who will be guaranteed to hit home runs in Citi Field.
The Mets not going all in for this player is a joke. Adrian Gonzalez is what the Mets need to reinvigorate that franchise and the fanbase.
If he can hit’em out of Petco, he’ll hit’em out of Citi field.
As a Mets fan I have not seen enough good things in Ike Davis to pass up Gonzalez.
He’s a must get if you’re the Mets.
Reyes and Ike Davis, while two good pieces are not enough. What’s your offer?
Mets need to swoop in and offer Reyes, Davis and a couple of their prospects for Gonzales, who is just about the only guy who will be guaranteed to hit home runs in Citi Field.
Hey … Is Carl Crawford starting to look any better?
I read Crawford wants 8 years as well, so scratch him out……
Lets’ bring Mike Lowell back from the grave, pay him 1.5 mill with incentives that can take it up to 2.1 mill, with a club option for 2012…..
Lets’ bring Mike Lowell back from the grave, pay him 1.5 mill with incentives that can take it up to 2.1 mill, with a club option for 2012…..
Oh Damn, and to think for a second their I almost got my hopes up … *Sigh*
I read Crawford wants 8 years as well, so scratch him out……
Obviously Theo cannot count past 5
He Can make it to 5 but anything past 1 or 2 is too much.
This is my final conclusion:
Are the Red Sox realistically trying to win another World Series, to beat the Yankees, and be the dominant force in the division, to do whatever it takes to give back to their loyal fans, who are putting boatloads of cash into their pockets, year in year and year out? The answer is a big NO.
So sad that Theo’s Man Crush dumped him on only the first date ..
Well, Theo tried to save some money by taking him to Applebees, and asking him to split the check.
Theo brought flowers but not enough candy.
Well to me – I don’t see why the extension is a deal breaker. Let’s say they get Gonzalez and he walks after this year if no deal’s reached… Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder and a whole boatload of big named free agents are going to be out there. Focus your resources there…
So to me, this is just stupid. Pull the trigger.
I don’t think you can bank on Pujols being a FA.
I don’t either, but there will be options.
haha its pretty jokes that they brought Gonzalez all the way to boston and still couldnt get anything done. Wow the redsoxs really kno how to waste peoples time.
Congratulations John Henry, Theo just shanked this deal, now you can go spend all the money saved on you English Soccer team! woohoo…
Gonzalez will be a free agent next winter and the Yankees already have a body at first base. The Red Sox can wait another year, enter the highest bid against little competition, and get their man without offering up four quality prospects.
This baby was doomed from the start.
Intelligent baseball clubs usually work cautiously and pay attention to all the details. The Sox employ some of the top minds in the game and were right to stay level-headed in negotiations. Theyāll bring Gonzalez aboard next year and keep their farm system from being depleted.
Yeah, makes sense to me, we didn’t have to bid against anyone so let’s wait and big against those teams nobody will go to like say, uhhh, the Nats. Yes sir, makes sense to me.
Buster Olney on Twitter- “Teams that could be on gonzo next winter: dodgers, angels, rangers, braves, orioles, mats, cubs, etc.”
Sox fans have to forget about this one. Gonzo is going to wait to become a free agent and play with the dodgers or angels, and I can’t say that I blame him, the weather is great there.
Honestly if I was any superstar player I wouldn’t want to play with the Sox, not with the way the franchise is going and the road that the ownership is going down, no thanks.
Are you kidding me? There hasn’t been a word yet or an update on this situation, which means NEGOTIATIONS ARE STILL GOING ON!
hey, the deadline was at 2:00, they can’t still be negotiating, look up ^^^ next time.
I get what you’re saying, Luis, and 99/100 times I’d agree with you. But this is kind of a different story here. The PR problem it creates for this team is astronomical. From the fan’s standpoint- it’s already obvious, but it’s also an issue for the rest of the baseball world. It’s becoming the perception that you don’t go to the Red Sox if you’re looking for a big money, long term contract because they just don’t dish them out. I feel like they’ve entered wildly dangerous territory here.
If they don’t bring him on board, they’re not going to get him. The rest of the league knows what it will take and some organizations – see the Cubs – will likely be ready and willing to beat that offer. If Jason Werth is getting seven years, then Crawford commands at least 8. Gonzalez wants 8. So the question becomes – if you’re going to have to spend 8 years to get a guy to upgrade your team this year, who would you rather spend the money on?
I think if they void the deal, then you’re never – ever – going to see him in a Red Sox uniform. It’s going to make the Pujols or Fielder negotiations that may still be coming next year and even bigger hurdle. To me, killing this with no extension in place is silly, especially considering the fact that that Pujols and Fielder are going to be in the market. The Sox have the leverage here anyway, so what does it matter if the deal’s done now or in six months?
I think they’re in a spot where they have to risk it. On a player of this caliber, you bite the bullet and risk it. Especially considering how much they’ve put into this in terms of sheer resources. They were right to tell Bay to kiss off and were right to let V-Mart walk. This one – not so much.
Way to copy that word for word from Drew Silva’s article over on HardballTalk on the NBC Sports’ website…
Branyan, Pena, Nady, LaRoche, are all on the clock now I guess. Same excuse is loaded and probably being rehearsed, “We gave what we felt was a very fair offer and we have moved on.” Gammons is also being programed right now about how banged up he was and how he cheated with every other players wife in S.D. But hey, we signed Tek!!
I don’t want to get A Gon when he’s 30 I want him when he’s 29 so we can have for 1 extra year into his prime.
Gordon Edes on on twitter- “I have every reason to believe Sox still talking with Gonzalez”
Oh really how are they still talking to him when they are on their way to Florida and Gonzo’s on his way to Cali.
Thats what I was wondering.
Well, back in 1876 Alexander Graham Bell was awarded the first patent for the electric telephone. The rest is history.
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I have every reason to think that this is a not a ” news “
This was more of a Sarcastic Comment, How could they still be talking to him, hes on his way back to SD, while the Sox are heading down too Florida.
I think there’s this invention called the cell phone. Works pretty well for long distance communication..
Toosahy
haha do you mean touche? or tootsie?
Touche* sorry.
I personally like Toosahy better.
There was a 2:00 deadline for negotiation. If they’re still talking to him I believe that would be tampering
That is what I was thinking too, but I didn’t know if it was classified as “tampering”
Not saying I think they are but I believe they can with the Padres’ permission. Although I could be wrong.
It’s called player tampering now if they are. They had their “window”, now its closed.
Got that now thanks. Oh and also Note that *I* was not the one who said this it was Gordon Edes.
Sorry to anyone I offended with my negativity today. I am just very angry at the mismanagement of this team for the last few years but there’s nothing I or anyone else can do about it. Been a Sox fan since I was a kid and I’m not gonna stop now becuase a deal fell through. I do, however, wish there were some sort of consequences for the FO messing with the fans like this. Wouldn’t mind seeing the so called “sell-out streak” for one but it remains to see how this goes from a PR standpoint. I work in PR and I’ll tell you this, I wouldn’t want to clean up this mess.
I 100% agree. I am just as frustrated as any Sox fan out there.
95% of Red Sox fans are oblivious to what went on this weekend. My roomate is a huge Sox fan and he had no idea. Sox fans who follow baseball blogs are irate, the other 95% are worried about the Pats vs the Jets.
even though the Padres are my team’s rivals, as a baseball fan i hate seeing the bigger market teams pluck players away from small market teams.
looks like they couldn’t negotiate an extension. maybe the padres can get better prospects this time. even better keep gonzalez for a shot at the division. i can’t believe the padres don’t want to win this season after 90 wins last season.
Plucking away?
Sox gave up 3 of their top 6 prospects.
Padres would get a 1st and a sandwich pick for him if he walks. They would then have to pay those players about $1.5-2M.
So they get an extra prospect. The prospects are much closer to the majors than the picks would be. Te prospects have a track record so the Padres have a better idea of who they are getting. They save about $8M between not paying salary or signing bonuses.
My biggest problem with this whole thing is that they MUST have known how much he wanted before even making the trade… It just makes zero sense to get this far along in the process only for Theo to suddenly be shocked by the asking price of an extension. You have to be a complete moron to think Adrian Gonzalez would take some sort of a discount. And you have to be even more of a moron to drag the fans through this thing while knowing darn well that you would never pay him what he wanted.
The fans aren’t being dragged through anything. No one even knows the real numbers or if a deal will be completed. If you want to get upset based on speculation then that is on you.
You’re one of many people I’ve seen post this, and it’s just not true.
It’s not absolute Theo knew what he wanted. Reporters have heard everything from 5/125 to 8/180, and it’s not like he can call up Adrian’s agent out of the blue and ask – that’s tampering, it’s illegal, and it’s the reason they need the Padres to approve a negotiation period.
The Pads are not just going to let Adrian negotiate with any team while he’s still a Padre. There’s a process to these things, and Theo is bound to follow that process.
His production over the past 4 years is nearly identical to Tex and he is a couple years younger. Theo had to have a good idea.
Part of the dissonance here is that Epstein believes that the cost (in players) to acquire Gonzalez must be factored into the contact: “I’ve already paid a stiff price to make this deal so you need to consider that in your contract demands.” Gonzalez (through his agent) sees it much differently: “What the deal cost you in players is your problem. You traded minor leaguers anyway. Gonzalez is worth this much and your cost in players counts for squat”. I am not declaring one postion is more tenable than the other but it seems pretty evident -based on media reporting – that Epstein and Gonzalez view this deal from very dissimilar perspectives.
Epstein is much more of a moron than we thought if he thinks the player cares one iota about the players the Red Sox gave away.
The only other benefit of trading for a player a year or half a year before he hits free agency is that you can assure yourself he will sign with you. But you have to make the deal good enough so that he won’t go and test the market.
I don’t think this is the case to be honest. Theo knows that what he gave up has nothing to do with Gonzalez.
The San Diego Tribune quoted Gonzalezās agent later Sunday afternoon as saying the sides were still meeting.
The Red Sox and the three-time National League All-Star first baseman were unable to reach an agreement on a contract extension before the 24-hour negotiating deadline expired at 11 a.m. (San Diego time) Sunday.
“There is not a contract agreement,” John Boggs, Gonzalez’s agent, said Sunday afternoon. “I’m right in the middle of a meeting right now, I’ll get back to you. We’re still working.”
Give him same extension as Werth but add $4-5M per year.
I have a feeling that AGonz’s camp is trying to adjust his 2011 salary to about $20M, then add 7 years at $20-22M.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
hearing #redsox still working hard on a-gon. reached on their cells, theo epstein and larry lucchino declined comment.
Yes, it’s wise not to overreact until an official statement is made. I hope it works out for everyone………or not if it’s not meant to be, but it’s better than this emotional rollercoaster that some of these fans are putting themselves through by hanging on every word in real time.
It will happen if they are willing to go to 8 years at 170 mil to 180 mil. However, at this point the Sox have to work out a new trade with the Padres, who may not want to do it at this point. Prospects could change, the Padres could even ask for more, and the Red Sox, having dealt with this agent already will certainly offer less in terms of players. The Padres would probably be inclined to say no to the Sox at that point and hope the Cubs, Mets, or another team “blow them away” with an offer. Any way you slice it, it’s a tougher situation to navigate than it was before the deadline.
Which prompt my question: Why the Sox made that trade if they were not ready to go ” all in “. Theo and his minions look like a bunch of fools, at this point.
Omg!!! Come on Theo get this deal done please!
This COULD I’m not saying it is good news Red Sox nation! If everyone remembers right after they said No to Tex Larry Luchino immediately sent out a statement saying how basically Tex was not needed or wanted.
what are you trying to say??
I’m trying to say that for once the Sox not saying anything maybe a good thing, and like people have said, they reportedly haven’t really made a decision on the Trade itself and I don’t think they will until probably Tuesday.
Well, to be honest, Larry Luchino is a bit of a loudmouthed idiot and I think he has been kind of muzzled by Henry and werner since then
That’s the only glimmer of hope I’m holding onto right now. The fact that no one from the Red Sox side of things has said anything throughout this entire process, and continues to not say anything, makes me think they might still be working out a deal. If the deal was truly dead, I would expect someone from the front office to have released some sort of statement by now.
That is a possibility. However, it is wise for them not to comment right now even if it is completely dead. Fans are irate and they probably don’t have much of a plan b right now. Winter meetings start tommorow and they’ve lost a trade and a free agent target. They also spent much of their preperation time for the meetings dealing with Adrian’s situation. They have a choice now. Continue this Gonzalez mess or try to get some combination of Beltre/Crawford signed. If they choose to continue after Gonzalez, Beltre and Crawford may be elsewhere and if it doesn’t work out with A-Gon you could be looking at Troy Glaus/Laroche/Branyan types
Yeah I think they’ll get him before all is said and done….
if they want to get creative, they should lour a third team into this deal. Shop a Scutaro/Lowrie type and get them to ship another mid-range prospect or something to lessen the Sox burden.
But the Red Sox still want to do business with Adrian Gonzalez once he hits free agency. Mark Teixeira was a free agent, and was coming off the table for good, so the Sox tried (and failed) to spin the PR, because it was the only thing they could do at that point.
Great point!…never thought of that
my problem with the red sox FO is the fact that they are willing to give lackey a big contract coming of 2 season where he was injured to start the season and beckett who was injured the previous season and sucked to begin the year but wont give a guy who by all acount is one of the top 7 hitter in baseball.
If Werth is worth 7 years and $126 million, AGon is worth more, in the $150 million range. He’s younger and a better player than Werth. Too bad the deal fell through; I was looking forward to seeing him in the AL and out of the NL West.
if the red sox are not able to sign him, they should man up and say the reason why a agreement couldnt be reached. i dont want to hear no bs excuse.
Werth isn’t worth 7/126 imo.
Can’t wait till Shaunessy gets ahold of this story in the A.M. Would like to see Eric Wilbur’s take as well considering his feud with John Henry.
I don’t click on Shaughnessy’s articles online. I know that the silent boycott of one humble internet crusader is unlikely to change much. But at least it is fun to dream that a lack of clicks could lead to CHB losing his job.
Rob Bradford just tweeted that Gonzalez has elected to stay in Boston tonight in case deal gets done.
What about that negociating windows?
MLB is really lenient with these kinds of deals apparently. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they hammered out the extension.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
A gon is now a red sox
still some optimism the a-gon deal could happen. deadline came and went but mlb allows for leniency with deals of this magnitude
THEY GOT HIM~~
Heyman says A-Gon a red sox per twitter
Did they sign him to an extension as well?
twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman
Deal’s done. Press conference tomorrow!~ YES
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Deal is done. A gon headed to #redsox. Press conf expected tomorrow
Beat me to it…
lets be real, if the Sox let Gonzo go, they will have let down every Sox fan across the states. To be so close and have billionairs as owners, what does that tell us? Now we know how the “Boss” did business. You have to payup for special players, and don’t procrastinate. Snooooze you lose, even the Nationals showed there boldness by getting Werth. Does anybody know or have an idea what’s in the minds of these owners???
SI_JonHeyman
Deal is done. A gon headed to #redsox. Press conf expected tomorrow
So is this deal done or what?
Heyman makes the deal official. Press conference scheduled for tomorrow.
Who can trust what Heyman says these days? I didn’t believe the deal was off, now it’s back on, let’s wait to hear more from Olney or another solid source.
I guess MLB granted an extension on the negotiating window. They just got it done a couple of minutes ago.
Do not get me wrong I am totally excited the deal is back on…but a press conference on the first day of the winter meetings? Man….I hope Theo can hop on Henry’s private jet quick enough to get back down to Orlando to try and find another bat, and some bullpen help.
If no extension, this deal is a fail
Agreed
Double agree. Rather have gone after Konerko, then Gonzalez/Fielder/Pujols (long shot) after the seaso was over and it wouldn’t cost us prospects.
YESSSSS IT HAPPENED! š
Heyman says Deal back on, man this trade is starting to get annoying.
Heyman made me pee myself a little this afternoon.
Christ the Sox really know how to play with the health of their fans. Jeeez sign just his extension and lets be done with it already and move on to the next agonizing pursuit of a big named player..
Like I said before: Fans with the patience of a 5-yr old.
Sheesh. Couldn’t wait 7 more hours?
jorgearangure If Adrian Gonzalez has been traded heās yet to hear about it. #Padres #redsox
Wait! Another source says the Padres have just reached an agreement with the… BALTIMORE ORIOLES, a package including Brian Matusz, Zach Bell, Matt Angle, and Felix Pie! The classic bait-and-switch tactic used by Jack Z of the Mariners has stunned Theo Epstein and the RedSox!
I want to hear someone other than Heyman verify that the deal is done.
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
When Gonzo can show his surgically repaired shoulder is fine. So no contract extension is part of this deal
So a press conference to say that they acquired Gonzalez? No extension to annonce? That would be an insult to our intelligence…
Deal is going through without extension.
HOWEVER, parameters of deal has been negotiated. They’re waiting until spring to sign the deal pending shoulder. Deal’s done, just needs to be signed. Seems like a reasonable compromise.
I’m confused, are they going to finalize the trade in Spring Training or sign an extension? What if his shoulder isn’t what they would like it to be? Is it a trade back or SD keeps Bostons ‘spects?
Trade back??? LOL. what are you, 10? SD keeps the prospects and adrian leaves via free agency in 2011 and you’re left with draft picks. That would be awesome.
Throughout this entire saga, there has been no official word from the Red Sox. I think most of this has been media generated. Red Sox fans (being that we are Red Sox fans) have simply taken the bait of the media and generated a weekend worth of drama on the internets.
Next time I’ll just wait for the official word from the team.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Hearing #redsox satisfied a multiyear deal can be arranged w a-gon. have common ground on parameters. No extension will be announced now.
Cue the ” The price is right losing horn “
Do I have this right, Gonzo is signed? Good!
Now, go out and re-sign Beltre.
Shift Youkilis to LF.
Ellsbury CF
Pedrois 2B
Youkilis LF
Gonzalez 1B
Ortiz DH
Beltre 3B
Drew/Kalish RF
Scutaro/Iglaisis SS
Saltalmacchia C
Youk in LF is not a good idea. For the money you’re going to spend on Beltre, you might as well try to sign Crawford. I would also assume that Youk will bat 4th and AGon will bat 3rd just to go L R L
Point well taken…problem is…Crawford wants 8 yrs. @ $17/18M/yr..
Youkilis to LF… Well, that deserve a DOUBLE facepalm !
Youk played LF for 18 games in ’06. He has the uhm…cough….ability.
I’d much rather them plan on Youk manning 3rd and make a play for Crawford. But seeing as how they’re having/had such a rough time with the Gonzalez deal them willing to go above and beyond for Crawford is probably unlikely.
And Beltre wants to stay in Boston